From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #322 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 7 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 322 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Michael Hedges [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: SJC "Best Male Joni" [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: JMDL Digest V2006 #321 NJC Sarah Vaughan ["clive sax" ] Re: NJC - Cat Stevens at mass [Catherine McKay ] Re: RE : RE: Broken Flowers and other movies (NJC) [Em ] Re: NJC - Cat Stevens at mass [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Broken Flowers (NJC) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Broken Flowers (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Joni Mitchell Fights Miner to Keep Canadian Paradise Unpaved [jonijoe@ema] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 23:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: Michael Hedges > Michael Hedges is dead??? Michael Hedges sang??? Yes to both questions. Michael was driving home to Mendocino, CA, the day after Thanksgiving, 1997, in a terrible rainstorm, when his vehicle went off the twisting two-lane highway. His body was not found until a few days later. A huge loss to the music world. Hedges was one of the most unique and groundbreaking guitarists to have graced the planet with his talents. Truly an amazing player. He always sang during his concerts, and released the first album to feature his vocals in 1985, "Watching My Life Go By". Later albums mixed vocal tunes with instrumentals. Though it's been almost 9 years since his passing, I still miss his playing, his wit, his view of the world. A wonderful and complex man. Gus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:38:33 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: SJC "Best Male Joni" Hi Ben. I have found several Australian male artists to be almost as articulate, lyrically as Joni and as politically aware. One of them is David Bridie. He started out as the writer/performer and singer of the "Indie" band, Not Drowning, Waving. He and several other people formed the offshoot band, My Friend The Chocolate Cake. Bridie likes to collaborate with many different musicians of different styles including indigenous musicians. He has collaborated many times with long time friend, John Phillips. It is when he sings about everyday life in tough circumstances and the emotions experienced by everyday people that he conjures Joni's spirit to me. Act of Free Choice was his first solo album. The title refers to the bogus referendum the Indonesian government put to the people of West Papua for self determination and independence. His voice is earthy and his lyrics are thought provoking. Mark in Sydney NP Waiting - David Bridie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:52:13 +0100 From: "clive sax" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2006 #321 NJC Sarah Vaughan Hi all, haven't piped up for a long long while - Love to Ashara and all. I'm really enjoying the Sarah Content. I was so impressed by Her now-out-of-print "Sings Michel Legrand" is a religious experience, yes? I have treated that album as the Sarah Vaughan holy Grail. I have it on Vinyl and when I moved house in january just gone it was one of the first things I checked as I unloaded my boxes. Her output during the 70's was lovely. I think much of that catalogue is owned by a company called mainstream. I often poke around on the internet seeing if those albums have been re-released. I have 'A Time in my life' on CD contemporary songs of the day performed with the likes of Joe Pass, Benny Powell, Dave Grusin and a host of world class sessioners. My favourite being Carly simons 'That's the Way i've always heard it should be'. It's an interesting question, what would she perform and record if she were still with us? As it's an unknown I would hate to hazard a guess but I would have loved her to record some Bacharach and David, A house is not a home/One less bell to answer, wanting things, God give me strength, would I think have been quite quite outstanding. As an aside Rene fleming recognized Sarahs Operatic qualities and believed she would have, had she wanted, made a wonderful World class Mezzo -Soprano/Contralto . Now there's another question for all you Sarah fans....Would have rather had Sarah as she was or would you have preferred her singing all those 'witches bitches and breeches roles' in all the Great opera houses around the world! Clive NP Singers unlimited - Since you asked > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 03:00:11 -0400> From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org> To: joni-digest@smoe.org> Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #321> > > JMDL Digest Thursday, September 7 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 321> > > > ==========> > TOPICS and authors in this Digest:> --------> Re: now Madonna could be an artist NJC [Brenda ]> Re: Broken Flowers (NJC) ["Snatch N. Grabster" RE: Broken Flowers (NJC) [Catherine McKay ]> Re: RE : Re: Music to do it by... Sarah Vaughan - NJC [Brenda Re: njc - free, legal downloading from universal [Brenda Re: NJC - Cat Stevens at mass [Bobsart48@aol.com]> Re: Enough Said (not)... SCJoniGuy, Gnarls, Me'Shell, '87-'97, YouTube, etc. - NJC [Brenda RE : Re: RE : Re: Music to do it by... Sarah Vaughan - NJC [Joseph Palis ]> Re: Crikey NJC ["Kate Bennett" ]> RE : RE: Broken Flowers and other movies (NJC) [Joseph Palis Re: Crikey NJC ["Kate Bennett" ]> Re: RE : RE: Broken Flowers and other movies (NJC) ["Snatch N. Grabster" ]> Re: movie music NJC ["ron" ]> > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:49:04 -0700> From: Brenda > Subject: Re: now Madonna could be an artist NJC> > mike pritchard wrote:> >> > Point taken, but I guess for Madonna (and Maverick) the decision to > > sign Meshell was 'intended' to be commercial.> >> > Sure, but how many labels have ever signed artists without the > "intention" of achieving commercial success? There are certainly those > rare few that are or were started as the fantasy realized for some > multi-millionaire, willing to continually pump in cash. (I worked for > one of those. When he got bored, the money stopped and the label closed > its doors.) Or the labors of love started by people who said they > didn't care about making money. But labels have to turn a profit to > keep their doors open like any other business. > > > How it worked out in practice was another thing. That they continued > > for 10 years must prove something, but I am not sure what.> >> > All things considered, I'm surprised they made it 10 years. > > > Did they imagine that one day the would recoup the money, or did they > > think that she had real talent and was worth supporting, despite the > > bottom line. Maybe the second option does not happen these days.> >> > Or how about if both options happened to be true? The second option > absolutely happens these days (despite all the generalized nay saying > I've read on this list) and I would even argue that it's to no less a > degree than it ever has been. It's just that artist development is > happening in a variety of places. Ben Harper has been with Virgin for > 14 years and he's never come close to a platinum album. Virgin has had > FIVE different label presidents since he was signed but each one has > believed in him. k.d. lang has been in the Warner Group for almost 20 > years, 14 years after her platinum album and last major commercial > success. The Roots have been signed with one or another of the > Universal labels for 11 years and they were specifically told to stay > true to what they do with their new album, in keeping with the "arty" > side of hip hop. Rosanne Cash has recorded for Capitol for ten years > without a hit in sight. Shelby Lynne was signed to Capitol after what > was a commercial bomb and the very weak sales for "I Am Shelby Lynne" > despite how much attention she got for it. I'll bet that she sticks > around awhile because she is supported and has had creative freedom with > the two she's done there so far.> > These are just the first that come to mind but they aren't alone.> > B> > n.p.: Monk/Coltrane - "Abide With Me"> > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:16:03 - -0500> From: "Snatch N. Grabster" > Subject: Re: Broken Flowers (NJC)> > The filmmakers left clues in the picture that lead you to think Bill> Murray's girlfriend actually planned the entire "adventure" to shake> him out of his torpor (possibly in cahoots with his next door> neighbor). At the beginning, he seems not to care about much of> anything, but after he's been out of his "comfort zone" for a while> and encounters various women from his past, he returns a changed man.> > At the end of the movie, after he sees someone he thinks could be his> son (played by one of Bill Murray's real sons), you get the impression> that now he wants to become a father more than anything.> > You see, the audience is supposed to do some of the brainwork here.> Unlike many other films, this one does not spell everything out for> the viewer and tie it all together in a neat package at the end.> > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 23:18:28 - -0400 (EDT)> From: Catherine McKay > Subject: RE: Broken Flowers (NJC)> > - --- anon anon wrote:> > I have a suggestion for you: see it next time> > with different eyes... > > and with an open minded attitude... I don't know> > what type of movies you > > like, but BF was basically an "art movie"... > > Hmm, I usually do have an open mind, but I guess> close-minded people think that about themselves. Maybe> if someone other than Bill Murray had been in it...> although I loved "lost in translation".> > I kind of had it figured out that it was set up by the> current girlfriend but, at the end, still had to ask,> "So what?"> > > Catherine > Toronto> - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:35:18 -0700> From: Brenda > Subject: Re: RE : Re: Music to do it by... Sarah Vaughan - NJC> > Joseph, I agree completely about both Sarah and the album. Your > description of "Love and Passion" is spot on. I remember playing this > album for a friend who didn't know either artist particularly well and > they got lost in the blend...and other things... so it worked for me on > the MTDIB tip. Heh. What a great duet. > > I also love those low notes in "Romance." Her voice was certainly no > longer bright and bouncy as it was on a recording like "At Mister > Kelly's" and certainly the years of smoking had changed it but to me it > was altered in the way that aged oak changes the grapes... not that I'm > advocating smoking because I'm not into it at all. And I often wonder > what she would have recorded had she lived longer. > > There are some really wonderful players on the recordings as well-Dori > Caymmi, George Duke (a phenom who I think is so underrated because he is > most well-known for his funky pop records), Paulinho Da Costa, Hubert > Laws and produced by Sergio Mendes who just had a mention here. Good stuff.> > B> > n.p.: Sarah - "Romance"> > Joseph Palis wrote:> > I agree with this album. Maybe not so much as MTDIB but as a vastly underrated last album of the divine jewel of jazz - Sarah Vaughan. Her duet with Milton Nascimento in "Love and Passion" is as honeyed as anyone can get. Their voices melding and sometimes indistinguishable from each other. Plus her version of "Fotografia" is quietly affecting. > > > > Joseph in Chapel Hill> > np: Madeleine Peyroux "Reckless Blues"> > > > Brenda a icrit :> >> > Sarah Vaughan - Brazilian Romance> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------> > Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. > > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:41:20 -0700> From: Brenda > Subject: Re: njc - - free, legal downloading from universal> > Jerry,> > I really want to continue this discussion with you but first I have a > question.> > What do you mean by "total profit?" > > B> > n.p.: Sarah Vaughan - "So Many Stars"> > Jerry Notaro wrote:> > Well there is no question that the Internet can create "buzz" and it isn't> > the amount of files but total profit that counts. Making one song available> > to promote the sale of an entire cd makes sense. Or making lo-fi files> > available free for new fans to listen and then decide if they want the whole> > cd for pay. Or having separate types of "song banks" available for a types> > of music for reasonable fees. Many cd's are available now cheaper than> > downloading. And yet distributors want to raise the price of downloading.> > The point is, they need to be creative, not just promote the philosophy all> > downloading is bad for business. Downloading has saved the recording> > industry in all its forms.> >> > Jerry> >> >> > > >> Jerry Notaro wrote:> >> > >>> No question. It is all set. You can download and listen, but not transfer,> >>> burn, send, or transfer. And it is a slow download where you are subjected> >>> to a barrage of ads while downloading.> >>>> >>> J.> >>>> >>> > >>> > >> SpiralFrog is pretty much a non-starter and isn't all that radically> >> new. The DRM and the ads are their own doing.> >>> >> Based on the comments about this, I have a question. Unless the> >> performer, songwriter, publisher and label are all willing to give the> >> download away without being paid, what model for free files do you guys> >> think makes sense if it's not advertising?> >>> >> B> >>> >> n.p.: Citizen Cope - "Karma Police"> > ------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 00:14:41 EDT> From: Bobsart48@aol.com> Subject: Re: NJC - Cat Stevens at mass> > Kakki replied to Catherine> > > ">There was a guy that used to sing "The circle >game" at Mass when I was > >young.> > Same here! When I (infrequently) attended Mass at the local campus church > in college, all of our "hymms" were contemporary. Circle Game, a few from > Cat Stevens including "Morning Has Broken," the classic "Get Together" and a > few others from the day.> > Kakki > > My wife was totally unfamiliar with Cat Stevens until I played her a few of > his songs on the guitar (which she seemed to like) and encouraged her to pick > up a few of his earlier album in CD form. She's now crazy about him. (I've > got the DVD of mid-70's concert - pretty good, pretty much fun).> > He was always a spiritual writer, really. Notwithstanding that the eagle and > the serpent were at war in him. I think it was exemplary and instructive > that he ultimately resolved his struggles via the route that he chose. I suspect > that his indiscretions, if any, were unintentional and - in any event - > overblown. I could be wrong; I'm not a bleeding heart in this company, but I am a > Joni Mitchell lover. :-)> > Bob Sart > > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:34:10 - -0700> From: Brenda > Subject: Re: Enough Said (not)... SCJoniGuy, Gnarls, Me'Shell, '87-'97, YouTube, etc. - NJC> > Bob Muller wrote:> > Brenda - thanks for making up for your long> > absence in one night. Great reading this morning> > from you and everyone.> > > > Bob, I've been remiss in thanking you for your warm and kind words for > my return. I see that the various SCJoniGuy crushes are still alive and > well... with good reason. ;-)> > I'll save the politics for another day when I haven't been up longer > than I like but I did want to respond to your inquiry about Gnarls > Barkley along with a couple of other things. I am very happy for Cee-Lo > Green because he's a really wonderful vocalist and MC. He deserves it. > He was an original member of Goodie Mob, which was pretty much > overshadowed by Outkast, but both really put the Atlanta hip hop scene > on the map in a way that was very different and more assertive than > Arrested Development. Interestingly enough, Goodie Mob and Outkast were > signed to deals by Babyface and L.A. Reid who were more well-known for > writing songs for and producing people like Paula Abdul, Bobby Brown, > Boys II Men and Toni Braxton. To say they were willing to take a risk > is an understatement I think.> > Cee-Lo is a fascinating dude and if you like his voice, you may want to > check out his solo recordings, especially "Cee-Lo Green... is the Soul > Machine." I loved "Crazy" from the moment I heard it, but I wish there > were more songs on the full length as infectious. It's not really there.> > People think Outkast can be outrageous but Cee-Lo and his Perfect > Imperfections was a trip to see. Both are carrying on the legacy of > George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic and Bootsy Collins. Fun stuff.> > As for what else I've been grooving to, I really like "Radiodread" by > the Easy Star All-Stars. It's Radiohead's "OK Computer" recorded by > reggae artists like Horace Andy, Toots & the Maytals and one of my > favorites Morgan Heritage among others. Funny how reggae always makes > sense in the summertime.> > About Me'Shell... I was surprised that you didn't recommend "Plantation > Lullabies" to Mike Pritchard as a place to start. It's certainly more > hip hop and jam influenced than her later records but I do think it > provides a raw foundation in terms of where she has come from. Her bass > playing on that record is unforgettable. Then again, maybe it's just > that I have such great memories associated with songs like "I'm Diggin' > You (Like an Old Soul Record)," "If That's Your Boyfriend (He Wasn't > Last Night)" and "Dred Loc." Come to think of it, I can't believe I > left Me'Shell and Outkast off of my '87-'97 list.> > Lastly, you posed the question about a month ago as to whether or not a > self-made video posted to YouTube constitutes a release. Personally, I > think it does and I really believe that we're not far from the day when > some things will only be released in video form (at least initially) by > commercially well-known artists. I absolutely love how open the > possibilities are for people to create and I can picture the time when > tools like YouTube will be used for more than just funny kitten antics, > outrageous guitar licks and teen girls shaking their asses. > > In many ways we are there already.> > B> > n.p.: South Park - "Towelie"> > - ------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 06:34:36 +0200 (CEST)> From: Joseph Palis > Subject: RE : Re: RE : Re: Music to do it by... Sarah Vaughan - NJC> > Hi Brenda,> > Even before I became a fan of Ella Fitz. Yeah even before Billie or Mildred. Or Bessie and Ethel, I heard about Sarah Vaughan. She is arguably the best (non bel canto) singing talent in the world. Her colorful improvations, endless inventions and exquisite phrasing are some of the things that made Sassy the Divine One.> > And yes, I loved her voice in "Brazilian Romance" and those gorgeously low notes that approximate the range of the basso profundo. Certainly she demonstrated that in "Romance" and when she used her near operatic vocals in the wordless vocalizations at the end of "Photograph", it was spine-chilling, no? By the way have you listened to her Bloody Mary stint in South Pacific? Kiri Te Kanawa sang the Nellie Forbush songs, Jose Carreras the Emile DeBecque, Mandy Patinkin sang the Joe Cable songs and Sarah sang "Happy Talk" and "Bali Hai". The former song had her changing dynamics almost every stanza while in the latter song, she sent chills my spine with the prolonged vibrato in the eponymously mysterious island. > > Strange as it may sound (as this may open some debates among Listers who discussed this topic year after year) but I really loved Sarah's voice between 1971 to 1990. Her tessitura has since adopted the lower organ notes with such magnificence. Her now-out-of-print "Sings Michel Legrand" is a religious experience, yes? So many singers have sung "What Are You Doing the Rest of Your Life" but how did she come up with those confidently delivered flattened notes in "North and south and east and west of your life..."? It is as much a demonstration of her mastery of the art of singing as much as her innate musicianship (I heard in a music magazine once that as a pianist she can "hear" harmonies no other singer can). > > I like her 1950s output and even in 1945 when she first sang "Lover Man". The voice is plaintive, even childlike, always golden. > > Since then I have discovered Ella Fitzgerald (and who remain my favorite singer of all time) and other unheralded female jazz singers who are just as good (Susannah McCorkle, Ernestine Anderson, Urszula Dudziak, Betty Carter, Jay Clayton, Janis Siegel, Lizz Wright, Madeleine Peyroux) but Sarah will always be the Divine One. In my books and in my world, her performance of "Prelude to a Kiss" should be heard by anyone who likes vocal jazz. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill> np: Bruce Cockburn "Mystery"> > Brenda a icrit : Joseph, I agree completely about both Sarah and the album. Your > description of "Love and Passion" is spot on. I remember playing this > album for a friend who didn't know either artist particularly well and > they got lost in the blend...and other things... so it worked for me on > the MTDIB tip. Heh. What a great duet. > > I also love those low notes in "Romance." Her voice was certainly no > longer bright and bouncy as it was on a recording like "At Mister > Kelly's" and certainly the years of smoking had changed it but to me it > was altered in the way that aged oak changes the grapes... not that I'm > advocating smoking because I'm not into it at all. And I often wonder > what she would have recorded had she lived longer. > > There are some really wonderful players on the recordings as well-Dori > Caymmi, George Duke (a phenom who I think is so underrated because he is > most well-known for his funky pop records), Paulinho Da Costa, Hubert > Laws and produced by Sergio Mendes who just had a mention here. Good stuff.> > B> > n.p.: Sarah - "Romance"> > Joseph Palis wrote:> > I agree with this album. Maybe not so much as MTDIB but as a vastly underrated last album of the divine jewel of jazz - Sarah Vaughan. Her duet with Milton Nascimento in "Love and Passion" is as honeyed as anyone can get. Their voices melding and sometimes indistinguishable from each other. Plus her version of "Fotografia" is quietly affecting. > > > > Joseph in Chapel Hill> > np: Madeleine Peyroux "Reckless Blues"> > > > Brenda a icrit :> >> > Sarah Vaughan - Brazilian Romance> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------> > Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. > > > > - - ---------------------------------> Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. > > - ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:04:56 -0700> From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Re: Crikey NJC> > I only watched him once & found him to be everything I dislike about how> some humans treat other creatures (with disrespect & ignorance)... what I> read about the accident made sense to me... the ray was in between him & the> camera man & may have felt like it was being hunted so reacted the way it> did out of survival instinct... > > ------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:02:19 +0200 (CEST)> From: Joseph Palis > Subject: RE : RE: Broken Flowers and other movies (NJC)> > Hi all --> > I am liking the discussion on films lately. > > I have seen "Broken Flowers" too but the reason I watched it is mainly to marvel at the highly visual art of filmmaking of Jom Jarmusch. No suprise there since he started as a cinematographer. But I did enjoy his stuff from quirky "Dead Man" to the even quirkier "Coffee and Cigarettes". Also I always thought that Tilda Swinton is an actress to watch even if she sometimes appear briefly in films (Vanilla Sky and Broken Flowers). And I enjoyed the characters very much, especially the uber hilarious actress who played the daughter of Sharon Stone. Then there's the compulsively watchable Jessica Lange. > > Overall, I enjoyed the film despite the loose ends that the film is not interested in resolving neatly. Was that his son in the end? Was there redemption? Was there closure for Bill Murray's character? I don't know if my answers will satisfy but it was a great journey of self discovery as much for his character as much as the viewers (like me) who had to look inwardly at things that resonated with them/mine. > > Someone (Patti P?) mentioned "Little Miss Sunshine" and also loved it. I read very mixed reviews of it in the usual places I read reviews. Some are complaining about it being a Hollywood "art film" while others are saying that it was a film that set out to entertain at the beginning of the film but progressively showed a glorious sadness that one does not associate in a film like this. I do like Toni Collette and Steve Carrell and Paul Dano who wowed me in Rebecca Miller's "The Ballad of Jack and Rose" as well as in "L.I.E.". And I like the little heart the film had. Very unapologetic about the conclusion it wants to use to end the narrative of this road journey. So it was a delight seeing this film. One of those films that I lost myself in unlike some films where I was aware I was watching them and realized that my natural enjoyment of films was ruined by film courses that overanalyzed, overkilled and blamed everything to the apparatus and Althusser. ;-)> > Lastly, I also saw Deepa Mehta's "Water". I agree with what Bob said about the film and although the pre-production of the film created a (what I feel) gimmick to triumphantly herald the last film in the earth-water-fire trilogy, I was surprised at the revolutions my heart made while watching this film about the Hindu custom of (mis)treating widows. Not only was the topic a plea for an end to this social injustice, it also showed the cruelty that seniority and hierarchy created in a place where widows are supposed to be equals. Except for the little girl who played the young widow and the sometimes beatific photography to highlight the physical beauty of the lovers, the film refused to privilege one character as the main character. The last third heartbreakingly captured the loneliness, tragedy and blind obedience tradition can bring to people it oppresses. Fantastic performance from Seema Biswas (The Bandit Queen) who took over the last third of the film.> The moviehouse was awashed with tears after the film. > > One other film I'd recommend is Wong Kar Wai's "2046" which was shown last year. Of the latest film I have seen, I really liked Patrice Chereau's "Gabrielle". Isabelle Huppert is sublime.> > Joseph in Chapel Hill> np: sarah McLachlan "Adia"> > > - ---------------------------------> Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. > > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:12:17 -0700> From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Re: Crikey NJC> > http://www.devilducky.com/media/46386/> > that was amazing... around here, we have mockingbirds who now imitate car> alarms & cell phones! > > ------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 01:04:28 -0500> From: "Snatch N. Grabster" > Subject: Re: RE : RE: Broken Flowers and other movies (NJC)> > Well, of course the audience will never really know for sure whether> the boy he met was really his son. But the implication is that he> isn't.> > this is undercut by casting one of Bill Murray's real sons in the> part. So, on one level we know he is the son, on another level we> think it's just coincidence they met.> > But that is just the point. If indeed he had a son, they would just> be strangers. His son could be anyone- if he existed at all.> > But if the letter that sends Bill Murray on his adventure was actually> planted by his girlfriend, then it was just an excuse to shake him up> a bit and get him to find out who he is.> > At the film's end, he seems ready to reconnect with his girlfriend> (who left him at just the moment the letter arrives) and perhaps have> a real child.> > So, the movie is about making connections.> > PS- One of the actresses who plays an ex-girlfriend was the mother on> Six Feet Under, and her part here is playing against what we expect> from seeing her on TV...> > ------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 06:49:52 +0200> From: "ron" > Subject: Re: movie music NJC> > hi> > > >>>azeem replied to em> >>>> I'm currently a big fan of Jim White, who made Searching for the > >>>> Wrong-Eyed Jesus; the title is after his album Wrong Eyed Jesus. I > >>>> haven't heard that one, but I've got the wonderfully titled Dig A Hole > >>>> in that Substrate and Tell Me what You See, which is a superb album.> > > jims album "no such place" is also a great one> > > ron> > ------------------------------> > End of JMDL Digest V2006 #321> *****************************> > -------> Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org> Unsubscribe by clicking here:> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe> ------- _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911 fb2b2e6d ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:20:58 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: RE : RE: Broken Flowers and other movies (NJC) > Well, of course the audience will never really know for sure whether > the boy he met was really his son. But the implication is that he > isn't. I agree. And I loved this film. Almost as good as Lost In Translation, another favorite of mine. He is the master of the dead pan, guy next door. After conquering of all kinds of comedy, it was a stroke of genius for him to tackle these kinds of roles. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:51:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc - free, legal downloading from universal Total profit is the amount made from all ventures to promote and sell a product. Big, successful retail giants long ago learned the the benefits of "loss leaders" getting people into the store. The same goes for downloading and the sales of the recording industry's other products (cd's and such.) For years grocers thought it was lunacy to sell anything below cost. Now they have learned better. I'll give you an example. For years, Broadway producers would never let movies of their product be released until the profits from the stage shows had "played out." They thought it would cut in to their attendance. How short sighted. Why not apply the same philosophy to the sales of their soundtracks and not release them until the end of the run? Ridiculous, right? Some of them didn't want the scenes being shown on television. Why "give away" the product? Right? The classic example is Hello Dolly, a huge success on record and stage. David Merrick held off releasing the movie until the final gasp of the last touring diva and by then people had lost interest. Then along came Grease. A huge movie success which bolstered the live attendance for years. Now the marketing strategies have totally reversed. Think of the internet as the Ed Sullivan Show of 50 years ago. Think what you can gain by exposing product, rather than lose by giving it away. Jerry > Jerry, > > I really want to continue this discussion with you but first I have a > question. > > What do you mean by "total profit?" > > B > > n.p.: Sarah Vaughan - "So Many Stars" > > Jerry Notaro wrote: >> Well there is no question that the Internet can create "buzz" and it isn't >> the amount of files but total profit that counts. Making one song available >> to promote the sale of an entire cd makes sense. Or making lo-fi files >> available free for new fans to listen and then decide if they want the whole >> cd for pay. Or having separate types of "song banks" available for a types >> of music for reasonable fees. Many cd's are available now cheaper than >> downloading. And yet distributors want to raise the price of downloading. >> The point is, they need to be creative, not just promote the philosophy all >> downloading is bad for business. Downloading has saved the recording >> industry in all its forms. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >>> Jerry Notaro wrote: >>> >>>> No question. It is all set. You can download and listen, but not transfer, >>>> burn, send, or transfer. And it is a slow download where you are subjected >>>> to a barrage of ads while downloading. >>>> >>>> J. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> SpiralFrog is pretty much a non-starter and isn't all that radically >>> new. The DRM and the ads are their own doing. >>> >>> Based on the comments about this, I have a question. Unless the >>> performer, songwriter, publisher and label are all willing to give the >>> download away without being paid, what model for free files do you guys >>> think makes sense if it's not advertising? >>> >>> B >>> >>> n.p.: Citizen Cope - "Karma Police" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 04:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: Broken Flowers (NJC) - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I kind of had it figured out that it was set up by the > current girlfriend but, at the end, still had to ask, > "So what?" but life is that way too, sometimes. em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC - Cat Stevens at mass - --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Kakki replied to Catherine > > > ">There was a guy that used to sing "The circle > >game" at Mass when I was > >young. > > Same here! When I (infrequently) attended Mass at > the local campus church > in college, all of our "hymms" were contemporary. > Circle Game, a few from > Cat Stevens including "Morning Has Broken," the > classic "Get Together" and a > few others from the day. > > Kakki > > My wife was totally unfamiliar with Cat Stevens > until I played her a few of > his songs on the guitar (which she seemed to like) > and encouraged her to pick > up a few of his earlier album in CD form. She's now > crazy about him. (I've > got the DVD of mid-70's concert - pretty good, > pretty much fun). > > He was always a spiritual writer, really. > Notwithstanding that the eagle and > the serpent were at war in him. I think it was > exemplary and instructive > that he ultimately resolved his struggles via the > route that he chose. I was always madly in love with Cat Stevens. Another one we sang at folk mass was "My sweet Lord", which was nice and ecueminical (the spelling looks wrong but I couldn't be bothered to look it up) with its Krishna reference. Anyhoo, without being a expert, I'm sure that Krishna and Christ are the same word. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 04:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: RE : RE: Broken Flowers and other movies (NJC) I think it was his son. Wearing the same sort of track jacket, after all. But maybe not, cuz then he sees that other kid in a car, also wearing a striped track jacket.... So, what?? lol, now every kid in a track jacket could be his kid? I liked the little kinks. I liked when the guy punched him and then *lights out*. Unexpected and playful. But ultimately I was also left with that "so what" feeling. At no time did it grab my emotions. I liked his neighbor, who was supposed to be an Ethiopian like the guy who did many of the musical cuts. The guy that played the neighbor, dang I feel badly - I forget his name...he's really good. Was in HBO's "Angels In America" too. I hope to see him in more stuff. Em - --- "Snatch N. Grabster" wrote: > Well, of course the audience will never really know for sure whether > the boy he met was really his son. But the implication is that he > isn't. > > this is undercut by casting one of Bill Murray's real sons in the > part. So, on one level we know he is the son, on another level we > think it's just coincidence they met. > > But that is just the point. If indeed he had a son, they would just > be strangers. His son could be anyone- if he existed at all. > > But if the letter that sends Bill Murray on his adventure was > actually > planted by his girlfriend, then it was just an excuse to shake him up > a bit and get him to find out who he is. > > At the film's end, he seems ready to reconnect with his girlfriend > (who left him at just the moment the letter arrives) and perhaps have > a real child. > > So, the movie is about making connections. > > PS- One of the actresses who plays an ex-girlfriend was the mother on > Six Feet Under, and her part here is playing against what we expect > from seeing her on TV... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:47:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - Cat Stevens at mass In addition to all these mentioned, we also did Elton John's Friends, and John Denver's Follow Me. Once at rehearsal, we had a good old time thinking up songs we would love to play, but obviously couldn't, like Midnight Hour, Come Together, etc. You get the idea.... > --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > >> Kakki replied to Catherine >> >> >> ">There was a guy that used to sing "The circle >>> game" at Mass when I was >>> young. >> >> Same here! When I (infrequently) attended Mass at >> the local campus church >> in college, all of our "hymms" were contemporary. >> Circle Game, a few from >> Cat Stevens including "Morning Has Broken," the >> classic "Get Together" and a >> few others from the day. >> >> Kakki >> >> My wife was totally unfamiliar with Cat Stevens >> until I played her a few of >> his songs on the guitar (which she seemed to like) >> and encouraged her to pick >> up a few of his earlier album in CD form. She's now >> crazy about him. (I've >> got the DVD of mid-70's concert - pretty good, >> pretty much fun). >> >> He was always a spiritual writer, really. >> Notwithstanding that the eagle and >> the serpent were at war in him. I think it was >> exemplary and instructive >> that he ultimately resolved his struggles via the >> route that he chose. > > I was always madly in love with Cat Stevens. > > Another one we sang at folk mass was "My sweet Lord", > which was nice and ecueminical (the spelling looks > wrong but I couldn't be bothered to look it up) with > its Krishna reference. Anyhoo, without being a expert, > I'm sure that Krishna and Christ are the same word. > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> - - > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:02:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC - Cat Stevens at mass You're sure?? Let's bet - I could use the money for the weekend. Krishna & Christ are different words, obviously - more important they are totally different deities. Bob NP: Bruce S, "Tunnel Of Love" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Lindsay (who never went to the prom) _____ From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:06 AM To: Em Cc: Catherine McKay; anon anon; joni@smoe.org; moonlj@san.rr.com; owner-joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Broken Flowers (NJC) Call it the "Napoleon Dynamite Effect" after the film that I found hilarious and compelling, but when someone asks you what it's about, you kinda just shrug your shoulders. "It's about two hours long" is my standard response. But the camera shot of the three main characters at the prom (showing them clearly out of the group) is a classic. Bob - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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The quarry would take an "incredibly beautiful area of wildlife and turn it into an industrial moonscape," Mitchell said in a telephone interview from Los Angeles. The singer gained fame in 1970 for "Big Yellow Taxi," whose lyrics railed against developers who "paved paradise and put up a parking lot." Mitchell, 62, is one of more than 4,000 people who signed petitions circulated by two groups opposing the mine. One of them, Save Our Sunshine Coast, led an armada of 70 yachts and sailboats along the coast in July to protest Pan Pacific's plan. The retirees and second-home owners are facing off against workers who say the region needs the jobs the mine would bring. As the economy shifts toward tourism and retirement services, it's generating jobs that pay less than loggers and mill workers have made. Pan Pacific said it plans to hire at least 100 local workers to help export 6 million metric tons of crushed rock a year, mostly to California. First it must submit a report on the mine's environmental impact to the provincial government next year, obtain a zoning change and receive a mining permit. 'We Need the Jobs' "I'm singing the mine's praises," said Russ Clarke, 73, a retired forestry-road builder who lives in Sechelt, a town of 10,000 people about nine miles (14 kilometers) south of the proposed rock mine. "We need the jobs. This town used to have 300 loggers. Now there's only 25." British Columbia annually consumes about 60 million tons of the materials Pan Pacific plans to mine -- crushed limestone, used in making cement, and dolomite, used in ceramics and fertilizer. The province's economy grew 3.5 percent last year, compared with 2.9 percent for the rest of Canada, led by a construction boom for the 2010 Winter Olympic Games. Pan Pacific, whose shares trade on London's Alternative Investment Market for smaller stocks, said the mine is the first of several it may build near the Sunshine Coast on the forested slopes of the Caren mountain range. Coexisting With Tourists "We see no reason why our development cannot coexist with tourism and other land uses," said Don Nicholson, 67, Pan Pacific's chairman. The company has spent about C$25 million ($23 million) to develop industrial-rock mines on the Sunshine Coast, said Cal Mark, project manager. That includes acquiring mineral rights beneath much of the Sechelt Peninsula, about 35 miles northwest of Vancouver, purchasing mining permits and building access roads. Exploration in the area began in 1969. Pan Pacific's first mine on the Sunshine Coast would disturb about 215 hectares (531 acres). It also would cut a 6.6-mile swath through coastal forests for a rock conveyor system to Wood Bay, where Pan Pacific plans to build a port. "Wood Bay is the most lightly populated area on the Sunshine Coast," said Mark, 58. "Bringing the conveyor and offloading port to Wood Bay should have the least impact." Million-Dollar Homes That's little consolation to people who own seafront homes valued at C$1 million to C$4 million that sit within sight of the planned port, said Garry Nohr, an elected representative of the municipality, the Sunshine Coast Regional District. The Sunshine Coast's population jumped 3.2 percent last year to 28,557, the biggest increase in the province. "Pan Pacific sees the area as rural," said Nohr. "People who live here see it as residential, within a rural setting." That's what lured Gail Jarislowsky, who has visited the area since childhood. The wife of fund manager Stephen Jarislowsky, of Jarislowsky Fraser Ltd. in Montreal, has seen killer whales and porpoises frolicking in the waves near her family's seaside cottage on Halfmoon Bay. She said she fears those sightings would become even rarer amid increased traffic by ocean freighters hauling away the rock. "We're not against development, but it should be measured and well reasoned," said Jarislowsky, 67, a member of the Halfmoon Bay Citizens Association, a taxpayers group. "This area is already under environmental pressure." The region has a gravel mine operated by Vancouver's Construction Aggregates Ltd., a unit of Heidelberg, Germany-based HeidelbergCement AG. Executives of Pan Pacific, who have held public meetings to build support for the project, say they will do everything possible to limit environmental damage. If the company passes all regulatory hurdles, mining may begin in late 2008. That could diminish the Sunshine Coast's allure for Mitchell, who has owned property in the area since the late 1960s and now has about 80 acres. The singer, who has won five Grammys, said she wrote most of her songs at her oceanside cottage. "This has been a place to restore my soul," she said. "It's like my Walden Pond." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #322 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------