From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #320 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 6 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 320 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- M Ward, Mojave 3, and a Bit More [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: now Madonna could be an artist NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Crikey NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Crikey NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Crikey NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Crikey NJC [Smurf ] Re: njc - free, legal downloading from universal [Jerry Notaro ] Morning Has Broken (NJC) [tinkersown@comcast.net] Re: Crikey NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re: Behind from Where We Came (njc) ["c Karma" ] SJC "Best Male Joni" [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Female Bob Dylan [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Female Bob Dylan [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Crikey NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE : Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Joseph Palis ] Crikey now March of the Penguins NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Crikey NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: movie music NJC ["Azeem" ] Re: Broken Flowers (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" [Brenda ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Brenda ] Re: (NJC) Things to do in California (Silicon Valley) ["Patti Parlette" <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 00:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: M Ward, Mojave 3, and a Bit More If Bob and i made you wonder what we're talking about, or if you're just in the mood, here are links to videos (High-Quality) of both: M Ward - Chinese Translation (From his new album - Post-War) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToEPFDIzhNA and, Mojave 3 - Breaking The Ice (From their new album - Puzzles Like you): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOBZ8BZAt0 Both bands are 4ad artists. Some of you may even own a 4ad release and don't even know it.:) Here are some other fine clips of new (and only new) 4ad artists: The Mountain Goats - Woke Up New (From their new album - Get Lonely): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bSdRizGYb0 50 Foot Wave - Clara Bow (From their Golden Ocean album): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQFgq6WVUyo And, Blonde Redhead - Equus (From their Misery Is a Butterfly album): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skNlpgb-ZYo Enjoy Nuri - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:06:15 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: now Madonna could be an artist NJC Brenda wrote: >>Meshell was never a commercial success to match the amounts of money that were spent on her over the 10 years that she was signed to Maverick. It was definitely not commercial.<< Point taken, but I guess for Madonna (and Maverick) the decision to sign Meshell was 'intended' to be commercial. How it worked out in practice was another thing. That they continued for 10 years must prove something, but I am not sure what. Did they imagine that one day the would recoup the money, or did they think that she had real talent and was worth supporting, despite the bottom line. Maybe the second option does not happen these days. mike in bcn np Barcelona Raval Sessions 2 - Various bands ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Omry Levi's "Falling - That Joni Mitchell Song" Omry Levi, a musician and a songwriter from Tel-Aviv (I never heard of him before, but reading his blog he seems like a nice young man and very much Un-Tel-Avivian:), writes: "For every action there is a reaction. I counter new with an icon, Joni Mitchell. She is at the top of my list. The desert island question-Joni Mitchell would be one. Dinner guest-put her on the list. Music travels with me when I go anywhere. Joni is always my first choice. I've just released a new EP called "Falling - That Joni Mitchell Song". It talks about this specific Joni Mitchell song". Omry did not cover Joni - but his EP is all about how Joni and her songs changed him. Nice, no? You can hear the song via his myspace page: http://myspace.com/omrilevy If you want to hear the intire EP and the complete CD that followed it, go to Omry's own site: http://www.omrilevy.com/ Nuri - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. - --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:40:52 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Crikey NJC Here are two comments of the death of Steve Irwin, taken from the Catalan press this morning. He was never Saint Francis of Assisi. Steve Irwin considered nature as a spectacle at his command. Instead of allowing the silent language of the animals to talk, Irwin was a loquacious big mouth who reduced crocodiles to the status of mere handbags. He has died from a sting by a ray, the only act of humility of someone who thought of animals as his backing vocalists. .. He was spectacular, pure passion. In a society in which nobody risks anything, in which security comes before everything else, it was a pleasure to see that element of craziness that Steve had: emotion, everything that the majority of mortals have lost, trapped in their habit of doing things through the inertia of routine. He will never have the 'luck' to grow old that others will have, but he lived with an intensity that few will enjoy in those extra years granted to them. Thanks, for all you showed us about the life of animals, including ourselves. mike in bcn np Randall & Claudia - First Takes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:04:01 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Crikey NJC Good analysis, for with all good things come the bad. Steve did revive interest in nature, and did truly love it. He was able to parley that into a huge media following, which came the bad side. If you notice the new "style" of nature documentaries, man is injected into the filming. How dangerous it is, how cold it is, how silent one must be. That is the "Irwin" effect and I find it horrid. When I watch an animal documentary, I could care less about the camera people or crew. It is supposed to heighten the drama. I find nature's drama sufficient. I was thrilled when March of the Penguins did so well at the box office, as it went against the trend and gave us animals instead of humans. Jerry > Here are two comments of the death of Steve Irwin, taken from the Catalan > press this morning. > > He was never Saint Francis of Assisi. Steve Irwin considered nature as a > spectacle at his command. Instead of allowing the silent language of the > animals to talk, Irwin was a loquacious big mouth who reduced crocodiles to > the status of mere handbags. He has died from a sting by a ray, the only act > of humility of someone who thought of animals as his backing vocalists. > > .. He was spectacular, pure passion. In a society in which nobody risks > anything, in which security comes before everything else, it was a pleasure to > see that element of craziness that Steve had: emotion, everything that the > majority of mortals have lost, trapped in their habit of doing things through > the inertia of routine. He will never have the 'luck' to grow old that others > will have, but he lived with an intensity that few will enjoy in those extra > years granted to them. Thanks, for all you showed us about the life of > animals, including ourselves. > > mike in bcn > np Randall & Claudia - First Takes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:23:34 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Crikey NJC I guess those of us who grew up with David Attenborough were the lucky ones. Cousteau kept yapping about the names of the divers, and was no slouch at self-publicity, David Bellamy was a joke, Johnny Morris was anthropomorphism writ large. Watching 'Blue Planet' is a treat for the eyes and only falls apart in the final episode where the producer talks of the making of it. mike in bcn npimh - that song about the discovery channel (is it called 'Mammals'?), and who is it by? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "mike pritchard" ; "Joni List" Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Crikey NJC > Good analysis, for with all good things come the bad. Steve did revive > interest in nature, and did truly love it. He was able to parley that into a > huge media following, which came the bad side. If you notice the new "style" > of nature documentaries, man is injected into the filming. How dangerous it > is, how cold it is, how silent one must be. That is the "Irwin" effect and I > find it horrid. When I watch an animal documentary, I could care less about > the camera people or crew. It is supposed to heighten the drama. I find > nature's drama sufficient. I was thrilled when March of the Penguins did so > well at the box office, as it went against the trend and gave us animals > instead of humans. > > Jerry > > > > Here are two comments of the death of Steve Irwin, taken from the Catalan > > press this morning. > > > > He was never Saint Francis of Assisi. Steve Irwin considered nature as a > > spectacle at his command. Instead of allowing the silent language of the > > animals to talk, Irwin was a loquacious big mouth who reduced crocodiles to > > the status of mere handbags. He has died from a sting by a ray, the only act > > of humility of someone who thought of animals as his backing vocalists. > > > > .. He was spectacular, pure passion. In a society in which nobody risks > > anything, in which security comes before everything else, it was a pleasure to > > see that element of craziness that Steve had: emotion, everything that the > > majority of mortals have lost, trapped in their habit of doing things through > > the inertia of routine. He will never have the 'luck' to grow old that others > > will have, but he lived with an intensity that few will enjoy in those extra > > years granted to them. Thanks, for all you showed us about the life of > > animals, including ourselves. > > > > mike in bcn > > np Randall & Claudia - First Takes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:50:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Crikey NJC And let us not forget about Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom with Marlin Perkins - I used to love that show, especially the way that Marlin seamlessly transitioned from discussing nature to hawking life insurance. Bob NP: Pink Floyd, "Sisyphus Pt. 2" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Or making lo-fi files available free for new fans to listen and then decide if they want the whole cd for pay. Or having separate types of "song banks" available for a types of music for reasonable fees. Many cd's are available now cheaper than downloading. And yet distributors want to raise the price of downloading. The point is, they need to be creative, not just promote the philosophy all downloading is bad for business. Downloading has saved the recording industry in all its forms. Jerry > Jerry Notaro wrote: >> No question. It is all set. You can download and listen, but not transfer, >> burn, send, or transfer. And it is a slow download where you are subjected >> to a barrage of ads while downloading. >> >> J. >> >> > > SpiralFrog is pretty much a non-starter and isn't all that radically > new. The DRM and the ads are their own doing. > > Based on the comments about this, I have a question. Unless the > performer, songwriter, publisher and label are all willing to give the > download away without being paid, what model for free files do you guys > think makes sense if it's not advertising? > > B > > n.p.: Citizen Cope - "Karma Police" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:01:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Crikey NJC I guess I'm just an old fashioned Mutual of Omaha boy. Jerry > I guess those of us who grew up with David Attenborough were the lucky ones. > Cousteau kept yapping about the names of the divers, and was no slouch at > self-publicity, David Bellamy was a joke, Johnny Morris was anthropomorphism > writ large. Watching 'Blue Planet' is a treat for the eyes and only falls > apart in the final episode where the producer talks of the making of it. > mike in bcn > npimh - that song about the discovery channel (is it called 'Mammals'?), and > who is it by? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Notaro" > To: "mike pritchard" ; "Joni List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: Crikey NJC > > >> Good analysis, for with all good things come the bad. Steve did revive >> interest in nature, and did truly love it. He was able to parley that into > a >> huge media following, which came the bad side. If you notice the new > "style" >> of nature documentaries, man is injected into the filming. How dangerous > it >> is, how cold it is, how silent one must be. That is the "Irwin" effect and > I >> find it horrid. When I watch an animal documentary, I could care less > about >> the camera people or crew. It is supposed to heighten the drama. I find >> nature's drama sufficient. I was thrilled when March of the Penguins did > so >> well at the box office, as it went against the trend and gave us animals >> instead of humans. >> >> Jerry >> >> >>> Here are two comments of the death of Steve Irwin, taken from the > Catalan >>> press this morning. >>> >>> He was never Saint Francis of Assisi. Steve Irwin considered nature as a >>> spectacle at his command. Instead of allowing the silent language of the >>> animals to talk, Irwin was a loquacious big mouth who reduced crocodiles > to >>> the status of mere handbags. He has died from a sting by a ray, the only > act >>> of humility of someone who thought of animals as his backing vocalists. >>> >>> .. He was spectacular, pure passion. In a society in which nobody risks >>> anything, in which security comes before everything else, it was a > pleasure to >>> see that element of craziness that Steve had: emotion, everything that > the >>> majority of mortals have lost, trapped in their habit of doing things > through >>> the inertia of routine. He will never have the 'luck' to grow old that > others >>> will have, but he lived with an intensity that few will enjoy in those > extra >>> years granted to them. Thanks, for all you showed us about the life of >>> animals, including ourselves. >>> >>> mike in bcn >>> np Randall & Claudia - First Takes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:05:36 +0000 From: tinkersown@comcast.net Subject: Morning Has Broken (NJC) My friend Kakki wrote: >Same here! When I (infrequently) attended Mass at the local campus church >in college, all of our "hymms" were contemporary. Circle Game, a few from >Cat Stevens including "Morning Has Broken," Of course, "Morning Has Broken" was around as a hymn for 60 years or so before Cat recorded it. It's a good one. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 09:22:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Crikey NJC http://www.devilducky.com/media/46386/ Crikey! What an awesome clip. I was waiting for that bird to start chirping a Joni cover! (Black Crow, Sweet Bird, Song To A Seagull, etc.) Bob NP: Pink Floyd, "Money" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:14:33 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Behind from Where We Came (njc) Catherine:: >There was a guy that used to sing "The circle >game" at Mass when I was >young. Then, Kakki: >Same here! When I (infrequently) attended Mass at the local campus church >in college, all of our "hymms" were contemporary. Circle Game, a few from Cat Stevens including "Morning Has Broken," the classic "Get Together" and a few others from the day. My church folk group caused a furor in the mid-70s when we did "Society's Child" as a pre-show warm up on Sunday. I remember someone quitting over first amendment issues when we were censored from ever performing it there again. It was the age of Gerald Ford and Billy Jack, what can I say. CC ------------------------------ Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:48:59 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: SJC "Best Male Joni" Hi, Just to say thanks for the responses to my query about which male singer fascinates you or effects you in the same way as Joni Mitchell does. I find it very interesting, especially when there are detailed explanations like the one Bruce gave, so if there are more responses out there, do let me know! And thanks all for being welcoming to a newcomer, it seems that you have a really nice society here! Benedicte Ble ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:27:14 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Female Bob Dylan For me, Geddy Lee of Rush will always be my favorite male singer. From the very first time I heard him sing (A Farewell to Kings album some time around 1985) he fascinate me incredibly and I still love the sound of his voice. He possesses such an unusual tone quality and conveys so much emotion in his voice and their music as a whole is rather unusual and different in their chord selections and voicings, rhythm, textures.. I also love to listen to David Sylvian and would say all the same things about him. Very unique, unusual and very expressive with his emotion that is conveyed in his singing. I've been listening lately to his most recent album, Snow Borne Sorrow. I've listened to it twice and am just starting to really get it though it will take some more listenings. But every time I hear something different and it slowly starts to get into my realm of consciousness and emotion, what ever that is. Victor NP: a noisy student lounge at GSU music school Hi, I am new to this list, perhaps this is an old topic that has already been banned for further discussion... I read that Joni M protested to being called the female Bob Dylan, because noone would ever call Dylan the male Joni Mitchell - implying that women will always be considered to as secondary. Joni Mitchell is unique and I can see why the remark must have been annoying. I get the point though. I was born in 1965, too late to be part of the Dylan era. I know some of his music, but I cannot really relate to what some people say about him: that although at the time they didn't understand his lyrics, the totally knew what he was on about. That is how I feel about Joni Mitchell though; and I think that what makes the difference is the way she sings from a woman's perspective, that is what makes her songs immediately relevant to me, as opposed to Dylan's. Recently I got quite infatuated by a couple of male singers, but thought that as long as there is Joni, they could never make it to be my number 1's! The best they could ever make was probably "best male" or rather "male Joni M"... This is not an estimation of quality, just of how I relate to them personally; and I guess people relate to music in different ways. Any thoughts? Benie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:51:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Female Bob Dylan Most of my favorite singers are women, but among males my favorite would have to be Jeff Buckley. He could sing just about anything. Only time would have told us how really great he could have become. Jerry > For me, Geddy Lee of Rush will always be my favorite male singer. From the > very first time I heard him sing (A Farewell to Kings album some time around > 1985) he fascinate me incredibly and I still love the sound of his voice. He > possesses such an unusual tone quality and conveys so much emotion in his > voice and their music as a whole is rather unusual and different in their > chord selections and voicings, rhythm, textures.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:07:49 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Crikey NJC Thanks Bob, I hadn't seen this before. Just amazing, mike in awe (but not shocked) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smurf" To: "mike pritchard" ; "Jerry Notaro" Cc: "list" Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Crikey NJC > > > --- mike pritchard wrote: > > > I guess those of us who grew up with David > > Attenborough were the lucky ones. > > > Speaking of which, check this ot: > > http://www.devilducky.com/media/46386/ > > --Smurf > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:05:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Music to do it by - NJC I agree with this album. Maybe not so much as MTDIB but as a vastly underrated last album of the divine jewel of jazz - Sarah Vaughan. Her duet with Milton Nascimento in "Love and Passion" is as honeyed as anyone can get. Their voices melding and sometimes indistinguishable from each other. Plus her version of "Fotografia" is quietly affecting. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Madeleine Peyroux "Reckless Blues" Brenda a icrit : Sarah Vaughan - Brazilian Romance - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:19:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Crikey now March of the Penguins NJC Hi Jerry! I like that March of the Penguins too and it is even rewarding and in some ways heartbreaking to see the penguins interacting with the camera crew during closing credits (are there people like me out there who watches the closing credits until the screen blanks?). The almost ethnographic photography of the penguins impresses when one realizes there were humans who filmed it. It felt like it is penguin life as captured by some "nature" camera. Although of course in all aspects that involve representation of any kind (in its visual and theoretical dimensions), one wonders what were edited out and what percentage of animals being filmed were indirectly harmed. And speaking of birds, I saw this really outstanding film called "The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill". Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Frou-Frou "Psychobabble" Jerry Notaro a icrit :I was thrilled when March of the Penguins did so well at the box office, as it went against the trend and gave us animals instead of humans. Jerry - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:15:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Crikey now March of the Penguins NJC > Hi Jerry! > > I like that March of the Penguins too and it is even rewarding and in some > ways heartbreaking to see the penguins interacting with the camera crew > during closing credits (are there people like me out there who watches the > closing credits until the screen blanks?). The almost ethnographic > photography of the penguins impresses when one realizes there were humans who > filmed it. It felt like it is penguin life as captured by some "nature" > camera. Although of course in all aspects that involve representation of any > kind (in its visual and theoretical dimensions), one wonders what were edited > out and what percentage of animals being filmed were indirectly harmed. One of our Marine Scientists knew the film crew. He said, unlike many animal documentaries, including National Geographic, none of the scenes were staged or recreated, or filmed in a studio with prodding. > > And speaking of birds, I saw this really outstanding film called "The Wild > Parrots of Telegraph Hill". Just got the dvd. Kept missing it at film festivals. In the pile to watch this weekend. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:45:18 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Crikey NJC hi >>>>jerry wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you notice the new "style" of nature documentaries, man is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>injected into the filming. How dangerous it is, how cold it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>is, how silent one must be. That is the "Irwin" effect and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>find it horrid. When I watch an animal documentary, I could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>care less about > the camera people or crew. i guess you dont enjoy wild boys?? ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:49:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Crikey NJC You guess right! Jerry > hi > > > >>>>> jerry wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> If you notice the new "style" of nature documentaries, man is >>>>>>>>>>>> injected into the filming. How dangerous it is, how cold it >>>>>>>>>>>> is, how silent one must be. That is the "Irwin" effect and I >>>>>>>>>>>> find it horrid. When I watch an animal documentary, I could >>>>>>>>>>>> care less about >> the camera people or crew. > > > > i guess you dont enjoy wild boys?? > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 09:50:16 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC This thread is rather nasty. I like that. Love All the Hurt Away - Aretha Franklin Evergreen - Barbra Streisand How Deep Is Your Love - Bee Gees Do You Wanna Dance - Bette Midler What A Feeling - Candi Staton Make Believe Its Your First Time - Carpenters I Love You - Donna Summer Forever For You - Hall & Oates Impossible Dreamer - Joan If I Hadn't Got You - Lisa Stansfield In All the Right Places - Lisa Stansfield I'm Gonna Start Today - Luther Vandross The Power of Love - Luther Vandross Crazy for You - Madonna I Got Eyes - Melissa Manchester Don't Ask - Rick Astley Romeo Loves Juliet - Rick Astley Dreaming - Selena Can't Get Enough of Your Love - Taylor Dayne There are others but they top the rotation. Some for sex, some for romance. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:10:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" Dear Joniamigos: This email I just received from ActForChange.com incensed me to no end, so I have to share it immediatement. "If you believe in justice, if you believe in freedom", I hope you will consider sending ABC a message. I find this utterly appalling. "Don't Need No More Lies!" *Especially* 8 weeks before very important U.S. elections for the House and Senate. Roaring like forest fire, Patti P. Voila: Tell ABC to Cancel Their Inaccurate and Slanted Sept. 11th Program Tell ABC -- Cancel Slanted "Docu-Drama" ABC has decided to honor the national memory of Sept. 11th by giving six hours of prime-time coverage to the wildly inaccurate viewpoints of an avowed conservative partisan. Tell them to cancel this show. On September 10th and 11th, ABC is planning to air a "docu-drama" called "Path to 9/11," which is being billed as "an objective telling of the events of 9/11." In fact, the film was written by an unabashed conservative who twists the facts to blame President Clinton. Tell ABC to cancel this show. ABC's new six-hour film was apparently screened in advance only to conservative bloggers and journalists -- and received extensive praise from none other than Rush Limbaugh. The film is apparently also riddled with factual errors and distortions; former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke has completely refuted one of the key scenes in the show. It's simply stunning to think that as this fall's election approaches, a major television network would devote six hours of prime-time programming to air such a slanted and inaccurate program. Tell ABC -- this type of inaccurate and slanted program does not belong on primetime television, and they should cancel this show. Want to increase your impact? Share this message with everyone you know who's interested in unbiased reporting on the tragic events of Sept. 11th, 2001. Thank you for working to build a better world. Will Easton Manager, ActForChange.com Working Assets Here's the link: http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=21317&afccode=n69jnb - ------- NPIMH: Neil Young singing: A hundred voices from a hundred lands Need someone to listen People are dying here and there They don't see the world the way you do There's no mission accomplished here Just death to thousands A hundred voices from a hundred lands Cry out in unison Don't need no terror squad Don't want no damned Jihad Blowin' themselves away in my hood But we don't talk to them So we don't learn from them Hate don't negotiate with Good Don't need no more lies Don't need no more lies Don't need no more lies Don't need no more lies ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:59:00 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Patti Smith at Tate Modern this friday Hi guys, I have an extra ticket for the Patti Smith show at the Tate modern this friday if anyone wants it. This show is in collaboration with the Alison Jacques gallery where who are about to open the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibition. It should feature some poetry and some accoustic, if rough around the edges, music i suspect. there will be a screening of something or other. Just have to meet up before the gig and i'll give it to you, no charge. I bought three but turns out i only need two. First one that wants it gets it. Any takers? GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:14:17 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" Hi Patti and Joni fans..... Why can't we just view this and see? (why can't we all just get along ;-0) I personally don't want any rewrite of history...or any revisionism. I want the truth...wherever that leads us! We fail to learn from history....but yes..it must be factual. But we can start..I think... from this point: There is a certain segment of the world that hates everything the West stands for.....there is NO negotiating.... because how can we start negotiating with Muslim terrorists who want our death...demise. I wouldn't be afraid of the elections..Patti...Bush is the most hated and maligned person ever in history!! With this in mind... the Dems should just sail through. I thought your party was the party of free speech?! I understand the former President Clinton has been beating down the door at ABC...and there are a few minor edits because of his protestations. IF the docudrama is bunch of hooey and lies then let it be disposed of in the next days garbage....BUT if not...let the chips fall where they may. Let's view it! Bree PS. This person mentions something about UNBIASED reporting.....that premise falls flat on it's face. Who doesn't have biases...... please stand up? >Dear Joniamigos: > >This email I just received from ActForChange.com incensed me to no end, so >I have to share it immediatement. > >"If you believe in justice, if you believe in freedom", I hope you will >consider sending ABC a message. > >I find this utterly appalling. "Don't Need No More Lies!" *Especially* 8 >weeks before very important U.S. elections for the House and Senate. > >Roaring like forest fire, > >Patti P. > >Voila: > >Tell ABC to Cancel Their Inaccurate and Slanted Sept. 11th Program > >Tell ABC -- Cancel Slanted "Docu-Drama" > >ABC has decided to honor the national memory of Sept. 11th by giving six >hours of prime-time coverage to the wildly inaccurate viewpoints of an >avowed conservative partisan. Tell them to cancel this show. > >On September 10th and 11th, ABC is planning to air a "docu-drama" called >"Path to 9/11," which is being billed as "an objective telling of the >events of 9/11." In fact, the film was written by an unabashed conservative >who twists the facts to blame President Clinton. > >Tell ABC to cancel this show. > >ABC's new six-hour film was apparently screened in advance only to >conservative bloggers and journalists -- and received extensive praise from >none other than Rush Limbaugh. The film is apparently also riddled with >factual errors and distortions; former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke >has completely refuted one of the key scenes in the show. > >It's simply stunning to think that as this fall's election approaches, a >major television network would devote six hours of prime-time programming >to air such a slanted and inaccurate program. > >Tell ABC -- this type of inaccurate and slanted program does not belong on >primetime television, and they should cancel this show. > >Want to increase your impact? Share this message with everyone you know >who's interested in unbiased reporting on the tragic events of Sept. 11th, >2001. > >Thank you for working to build a better world. > >Will Easton >Manager, ActForChange.com >Working Assets > >Here's the link: >http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=21317&afccode=n69jnb > >------- > >NPIMH: Neil Young singing: > >A hundred voices from a hundred lands >Need someone to listen >People are dying here and there >They don't see the world the way you do >There's no mission accomplished here >Just death to thousands > >A hundred voices from a hundred lands >Cry out in unison > >Don't need no terror squad >Don't want no damned Jihad >Blowin' themselves away in my hood >But we don't talk to them >So we don't learn from them >Hate don't negotiate with Good > >Don't need no more lies >Don't need no more lies >Don't need no more lies >Don't need no more lies ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:17:52 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, movies, Bill Murry Notre chere Catherine wrote: "Let's face it. Bill Murray isn't exactly the image of sexiness...." Huh? I beg to differ, mon amie! Chacun a son gout! LOL...."Maybe it's been too long a time since I was scramblin' down in the sheets" (yes, I know it's supposed to be "streets"), but Bill Murray has always been a hottie IMO. ("Hottie"....I learned that word from Donna B.) Maybe it's remembering him as the "Key Master" (was that what Sigourney Weaver mistook him for?) in that scene from Ghostbusters, or some SNL stuff, but I find him very, ummm, interesting! Catherine, encore une fois: "However, I always think he's smirking under it all, so can't take him seriously anyway, no matter how hard he tries. And I think it would probably be pretty easy to make him have a fit of the giggles." I agree. Yes, even in his serious roles, he looks like just a tickle away from some good fun. A fit of the giggles....tee hee hee!!!! He cracked me up in "What About Bob", too. And you know.... Rumor had it that his son was a student here at UConn a while ago. I would look for him on family days and at commencements and convocations and stuff, but never saw him. Probably just as well! Catherine encore une fois: "Here's another film you've got to see - Little Miss Sunshine. Great story. Great ensemble cast and, Jimmy Stewart, if you're paying attention, there's a scene in it that brings me back to our days of wandering the highways of somewhere-near-Boston, trying to get you back to your hotel, which we could clearly see, but could not manage to get to. I shoulda done it that way!" Merci beacoup! I've been really wanting to see this one. All the reviews have been excellent, and now that I have one from a respected JMDLer, I'm *there*! Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:41:07 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" >Hi Patti and Joni fans..... > >Why can't we just view this and see? (why can't we all just get along >;-0) I personally don't want any rewrite of history...or any revisionism. > I want the truth...wherever that leads us! > >We fail to learn from history....but yes..it must be factual. Yes, dear Bree, I agree. I want the truth, too! And the facts. >IF the docudrama is bunch of hooey and lies then let it be disposed of in >the next days garbage....BUT if not...let the chips fall where they may. > It's not *chips* that are falling, it's HUMAN BEINGS!!!! (Sorry, Bree, I'm not yelling at YOU...I just get so upset about the bad direction we are going in, with no end in sight. Death and death and death and death: stay the course????) What worries me (I worry sometimes) is that if this docu-drama is shown with UN-truths, a large majority of people who do not read or think critically will be believe it, just because it's on their TV screens. Sigh. I don't know all the answers, but I do know that we need the truth to set us free. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:03:34 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Broken Flowers (NJC) Catherine, I'm glad to hear you were stumped by this movie  I was too. I know Bob Muller enjoyed it very much but we've differed on movies before. I was excited to see BF because I had so loved "Lost in Translation." But BF made me angry. It got to the end and I was peeved, feeling like they paraded all this before us  for nothing. No point, nothing. No idea what the situation was with each past girlfriend, or what their point was in the present. The only character I liked in that movie was his wanna-be private investigator neighbor. We just recently rented "Little Miss Sunshine" and I enjoyed it very much. I am a huge fan of Greg Kinnear (I was pulling for him when he was host of "Talk Soup" and said that guy would go far). We've also recently rented "Girl in the Cafi" with Bill Nighy whom I love and it was very good (although if you can't understand thick Scottish accents, you might be lost) and "Matador," again with Greg Kinnear and Pierce Brosnan and liked that very much. I love love love Netflix! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 23:27:52 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: movie music NJC Em wrote: << saw 2 movies over the weekend where I was touched by the music. The first was called "Serching For the Wrong Eyed Jesus". http://www.searchingforthewrongeyedjesus.com/ whoa.... hugely weird. And eerie yet engaging music. The duo The Handsome Family was featured a few times. I went to iTunes and I see they have several CD's. Was wondering if any one here can recommend the best? or give an opinion as to which might be best? >> I'm currently a big fan of Jim White, who made Searching for the Wrong-Eyed Jesus; the title is after his album Wrong Eyed Jesus. I haven't heard that one, but I've got the wonderfully titled Dig A Hole in that Substrate and Tell Me what You See, which is a superb album. I got it on Emusic, which is adding more and more great stuff. I've also downloaded M Ward's End of Amnesia recently, along with both albums by Espers, one Gillian Welch and some Indian classical - which is great value for money, with some tracks half an hour long. Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 05/09/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Broken Flowers (NJC) Which was mostly what I *liked* about it...the unpredictable nature of it. And the way that Jim Jarmusch just left all these blanks for you to fill in, and speculate. Life is more like that than it is a neat, tidy well-answered package. Much of that same quality is what draws me to so much of Joni's songs. Simple slices of life, with no easy answers. I loved "Lost In Translation" too...how could I not - any film that begins with a close-up of those Shades of Scarlett Conquering in her underwear! I don't think that Sofia Coppola has followed that one up yet, I'm anxious to see what she'll do. And I'm a big fan of Netflix too! I watched "Water" this weekend and it was simply exquisite. "Friends With Money" is up for tonight. Bob NP: AC/DC, "Shake A Leg" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:36:11 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" Patti Parlette wrote: > What worries me (I worry sometimes) is that if this docu-drama is > shown with UN-truths, a large majority of people who do not read or > think critically will be believe it, just because it's on their TV > screens. So then why not "tell" ABC (or PBS, NBC, CBS, etc.) to air an opposing opinion? Or what if the "netroots" organizations that are promoting this instead turned their efforts towards raising money to buy a spot in the program that offers a counter-opinion? Why is it necessary to silence someone just because they are saying something that one doesn't agree with? And you know there may be people who "read and/or think critically" that still find more to agree with in it than Richard Clarke does, regardless of their party affiliation. Bill Clinton himself may even agree with parts of it because he was in office for eight years before it happened and he knows what his administration did or did not do. Who knows, it may even contain things that you agree with. But you have to see it first. Yes it is eight weeks before the election. The anniversary of September 11 is always going to be eight weeks before the elections in an election year. And in my book House and Senate races are always very important. > > Sigh. I don't know all the answers, but I do know that we need the > truth to set us free. But how is seeking to censor something that you haven't seen on the suggestion of someone else who also hasn't seen it an answer? (I read the email, looked at the site and found no indication that Will Easton who originated the email even saw it himself.) I find this kind of blind allegiance to be very unfortunate and sadly disturbing, no matter which side of the political line it falls on. I'm reminded of something that Patti Witten wrote about a week ago: "The thing that goodfight.org creator, Pastor Joe, and so many other religious zealots have in common is a deep and driving ignorance. They know a little bit about a few things, they have active minds and they think they can reason." This doesn't just apply to religious zeal. Truth is a fine ideal; however two people can look at the same thing or experience the same event and emerge with two different ideas of what the truth of that event actually is. Presently, I believe that a dialogue where people are open and receptive despite their opposing views would be progress compared to where it seems we are now. B n.p.: Monk/Coltrane - "Crepuscule With Nellie" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:09:00 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Broken Flowers (NJC) >From: "Lindsay Moon" >Reply-To: "Lindsay Moon" >To: , "joni list" >Subject: Broken Flowers (NJC) >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:03:34 -0700 > >Catherine, I'm glad to hear you were stumped by this movie  I was too. I >know Bob Muller enjoyed it very much but we've differed on movies before. >I >was excited to see BF because I had so loved "Lost in Translation." But BF >made me angry. It got to the end and I was peeved, feeling like they >paraded all this before us  for nothing. No point, nothing. No idea what >the situation was with each past girlfriend, or what their point was in the >present. The only character I liked in that movie was his wanna-be private >investigator neighbor. > I have a suggestion for you: see it next time with different eyes... and with an open minded attitude... I don't know what type of movies you like, but BF was basically an "art movie"... When you see it from that point of view, you don't need to see a tidy, conventional, predictable, plot driven movie... life is about ambiguity and loose ends, is it not? Why shouldn't an art movie have the same ambiguity? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:07:13 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC mack watson-bush wrote: > This thread is rather nasty. I like that. > Now that made me laugh very hard. > I'm Gonna Start Today - Luther Vandross > The Power of Love - Luther Vandross > My Luther picks would be "Creepin'" and "If This World Were Mine." B n.p.: Pete Yorn - "Undercover" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:44:29 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: (NJC) Things to do in California (Silicon Valley) Wow, Randy, das gibt mir Wanderlust! At the redwood forests, do they charge you a dollar and a half just to see 'em? "Other places you could check out are the little towns of La Honda (Ken Kesey's old hangout, and just up the road from Neil Young's ranch) and Woodside...." I'd love to go jumpin' at the Woodside, and take Ma Honda (a.k.a "Space Buggy") between the fine white lines of the free freeway over to La Honda to Ken Kesey's old hangout. Is the bus there? I'd like to make sure I'm still registered to be on the bus, and then see Neil Young's ranch. Does that Man Need a Maid still? I've been in such a NY state of mind lately! Although I lived in Santa Barbara for one year and one month and three days (throughout the Summer of Love in 1967), I think the farthest north I made it was Pismo Beach, to go camping and clamming with my family and a few others. I've always wanted to go to that City by the Bay. Thanks for the quick tour! Love, Patti P. NPIMH: If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair..... There's always something new to discover in SF: Walking around in Haight Ashbury or Noe Valley (gay community), Fisherman's Wharf, a boat cruise around the bay, or a tour of Alcatraz. The Japanese Tea Garden, museums and aquarium are all within walking distance of each other. And Chinatown is a fun place to check out; don't bother trying to park on the street-use a parking garage. If you haven't explored the redwood forests, that would be my suggestion; go to Big Basin State Park, it's just over the hills from where you are. You could also cruise Route 1, the coastal highway, for the eye candy and cooler temps. Other places you could check out are the little towns of La Honda (Ken Kesey's old hangout, and just up the road from Neil Young's ranch) and Woodside, which is kind of upscale yuppie rustic. Also, Santa Cruz and the boardwalk, with it's old roller coaster, arcades and waterfront restaurants. I would avoid Hwy 101-if you are going to SF get yourself over to I-280, way less traffic and it's purty, too. RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #320 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------