From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #317 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 5 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 317 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan [Bob Muller ] sarah sings river and some more joni videos [mags h ] Re: Behind from Where We Came [LCStanley7@aol.com] re: Behind From Where We Came ["mia _" ] Re: Behind from Where We Came now njc [Catherine McKay ] "Empty, Try Another", was: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces ["Ji] RE: Behind from Where We Came now njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Crikey! njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Behind from Where We Came now njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Crikey! njc ["Azeem" ] Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan ["Randy Remote" ] Jim Neversink NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: RE: Behind From Where We Came [Bobsart48@aol.com] Question for movie buffs - from the website ["Les Irvin" Subject: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan Thanks Bob for the response to my question about the female Dylan! And thanks everyone for your warm welcome to the list! Bob says its >"unlikely to see someone called the >"male Joni". I agree! In any case, I would be interested in knowing if any of you has a favourite male singer who fascinates you in the same way as Joni Mitchell? I see a lot of references to female singers on the site so it seems that people think if you like Joni you'd like this other female singer. Last year, I was totally fascinated by the voice of a South African singer called Jim Neversink; he sings with frankness and humour and vulnerability, and his voice fascinated me in almost the same way as Joni's althugh he's not (yet I think!) as accomplished. Nick Cave singing Into My Arms has some of that effect too. I guess no two persons can touch you in the same way... It just seems that when someone asks for favourite singers I would have to ask 'male or female'? There is one song by Neversink on http://www.myspace.com/westernworld, in case you are curious. Anyway, I labelled this SJC because I guess it's a bit off the track! Best Benie (aka Ble) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 06:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan I guess that my affection for Joni was more closely aligned to her writing as opposed to her singing - not that I dislike her singing, although I was not a fan of her early stuff when it came out. Anyway, I probably have more favorite males than females...Tom Waits, Andy Partridge(XTC), Bruce Springsteen, Elvis Costello among them. Again, it has more to do with what they write and not necessarily how they sing. Bob NP: Roine Stolt, "Dirt" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 06:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: sarah sings river and some more joni videos ah, the miracles of the internet ;-) ... i just listened to sarah's river...gorgeous voice she has...and on the right of the page, are listed, several videos of joni...here's that link again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulr7MPyhPaY mags - --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:56:31 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Behind from Where We Came Hi Ya'll, If you play the album backwards, you will instantly understand the English and Joni's choice of words and the origin of us all for that matter in regard to the mathematical average of the anatomical position of mammals giving birth. Mother earth circular rotation coming going birth death up down all around and all that hokey pokey stuff that is the origin of us all... We do. Yes. We circulate gyrate rotate don't hesitate and if we are good at it then we can say we came, we saw, or even conqueered. The visionary calculated the verbiage as "behind from." And some but not all who enjoy looking out from behind the math and the English bushes in an attempt to see the forest and the trees, if they look long and hard enough eventually see the ass who lags behind from start to finish of the race down the rocky path in the woods because the animal is of a race of slow, stubborn beings afraid of twisting a limb or pulling a leg and loving to lag behind from time to time which can add up to all eternity as they are not very competitive in the circle game. And, I like that. Butt, the real question is, are these words part of a song or a poem? Yes, that could make all the difference in the world considering the added dimension of poetic license in the calculation. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:09:25 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Behind From Where We Came Nuri wrote: <> English Schmenglish! Language is forever evolving, and what Joni does best is to siphon the colored language of the farms and streets. :) Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Behind from Where We Came now njc - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Butt, the real question is, are these words > part of a song or a poem? She said, "Butt!" heh-heh-heh. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:59:30 -0500 From: Subject: RE: NJC, Re: Joni Mitchell, Susan Cowsill, and Michael Paz The Pazman wrote: "It has been a really incredible week working with Stevie Wonder, Wynton Marsalis, Kim Burrell (who I LOVE), Kirk Franklin, Ray Chew and his band, Yolanda Adams, Mary Mary, Dr. John, and New Orleans Social Club (featuring my friends Henry Butler, Leo Nocentelli and George Porter, Jr. of the Original Meters, Ivan Neville, Cyril Neville, and John Boutte. It was a 2 1/2 hour show that started out to be a 48 input show that grew to 86 inputs after rehearsals. Thank heaven for digital consoles with instant recall. The show was called Rebuilding the Soul of America...One Year Later. I am dreadfully behind on the list, but I hope all are well and happy. Love to you all." And then he updated us on the Susan Cowsill gig with: "Hi All It was absolutely fantastic. Standing beside her playing guitar whilst she sang was heaven. I mistakenly called the series Under The Covers (perhaps a Freudian slip or wishful thinking) it is actually called Covered in Vinyl. No matter, it was a gas. The place was packed to the rafters. At 10:40 we started with Court and Spark and it ended all to soon after that with Twisted. Everyone was very receptive and it is encouraging that there are so many people out there that still love Joni. I ran into a lot of people I have not seen in ages. Her band was very happy to have me on the few cuts that I did cause to my knowledge of the tunings etc AND I had the sheet music. LOL! They did have a computer rolling and the sound guy promised to get me copies. During the second set Susan got up and player with her band again and played mostly originals, but then decided to take requests and did some amazing covers. She invited me back to the stage to do some more Joni so we sang "You Turn Me ON" as a duet and then I did "Love Puts on A New Face with her band while she sat in front to the stage and watched. I gushed of course and foamed at the mouth and went back out in the audience to enjoy more of her set. She did a beautiful acapella cover of Karla Bonoff's Falling Star ad well as some Lucinda Williams, and Angel From Montgomery. She asked me up yet again and we did a reprise of "Just Like This Train" which was better than the first time and she said I should keep on going so I suggested we do one of Joni's boyfriends tunes which she thought was a great idea. I played piano and we dueted on "Don't Let Me Be Lonely Tonight". By this point I was practically melting. What a voice!!!!!! I have been in a kind of euphoria all day and have just managed to get to the puter and post about it. Have a great Labor Day everyone!" Me now: Michael, I knew you were involved in a musical effort last week commemorating the one-year anniversary of Katrina, and maybe had some other work lined up as well, but I can't tell you how happy I am that things worked as wonderfully as they did. And now I will ask the question that may be on the minds of everyone except Muller (because I think he asked it already). And that is: where do we get TAPES and DISCS of all this great stuff??! :-) Related question: will the Katrina show be broadcast widely? Take good care. . .and *rest up* after all that! Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:52:27 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Behind from Where We Came now njc In a message dated 9/4/2006 10:42:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: She said, "Butt!" she is me and she did and crossed the t's too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:38:44 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Crikey! njc Stingray Kills 'Crocodile Hunter' Irwin Steve Irwin, the hugely popular Australian television personality and conservationist known as the "Crocodile Hunter," was killed Monday by a stingray while filming off the Great Barrier Reef. He was 44. "He came on top of the stingray and the stingray's barb went up and into his chest and put a hole into his heart," said a friend, who was on board Irwin's boat at the time. Full story: http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=232690>1=7703 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:38:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: "Empty, Try Another", was: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces In interviews, Joni said "Empty, Try Another" has a recording of a cigarette vending machine. She put coins in, made a selection, and the thing began to whirr. Since that choice was out, it kicked the coins back. The coins make different sounds going in than they do coming back. How could it be otherwise? Jim L. np: Los Lonely Boys on "The World Cafe" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:30:50 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Behind from Where We Came now njc She should have been more polite and said "Behind" (from where we came). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of LCStanley7@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:52 PM To: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Behind from Where We Came now njc In a message dated 9/4/2006 10:42:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: She said, "Butt!" she is me and she did and crossed the t's too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:13:09 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan now NJC hi >>>benie wrote >>>>> Last year, I was totally fascinated by the voice of a South African >>>>> singer called Jim Neversink; he sings with frankness and humour and >>>>> vulnerability, and his voice fascinated me in almost the same way as >>>>> Joni's althugh he's not (yet I think!) as accomplished. Nick Cave >>>>> singing Into My Arms has some of that effect too. I guess no two >>>>> persons can touch you in the same way... It just seems that when >>>>> someone asks for favourite singers I would have to ask 'male or >>>>> female'? There is one song by Neversink on >>>>> http://www.myspace.com/westernworld, in case you are curious. first off - hi & welcome to the list jim neversink is creating quite a buzz here in south africa - his first solo album is getting rave reviews. you can download the same track as the myspace one, & another track, & listen to a podcast here: http://www.24.com/entertainment/music/Default.aspx?p=downloadarc&filter=n&index=|2 & you can listen to samples, or buy complete tracks of his album here http://jimneversink.calabashmusic.com/ ive been wanting to see him for a while & thanks to your link i see that hes doing a show on saturday reasonably close by - thanks!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:07:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Crikey! njc - --- Les Irvin wrote: > Stingray Kills 'Crocodile Hunter' Irwin > [...] > > "He came on top of the stingray and the stingray's > barb went up and > into his chest and put a hole into his heart," said > a friend, who was > on board Irwin's boat at the time. > Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water. Yuk. What are the odds? And someone has said the usual, "He died doing what he loved to do." Someone always says that. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Behind from Where We Came now njc - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > She should have been more polite and said "Behind" > (from where we came). > We walked on the moon! YOU be polite! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:18:45 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Behind from Where We Came now njc In a message dated 9/4/2006 2:05:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: We walked on the moon! YOU be polite! Please, pass the butter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:31:19 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Jonatha and the band in BOSTON September 9! NJC HEADS UP BOSTON AREA Jonatha fans. Love Paz - ------ Forwarded Message Hi all! I've just gotten a last minute opportunity to participate in the 92.5 "the river" WXRV annual riverfest in Boston! (Of course I'm going to take it) It's 4-7pm next Saturday, September 9th at the Hatch Shell, on the Esplanade. It's a free show open to everyone, so if you're in the area we hope to see you there. I will be playing around 5 with the whole band. James Hunter and Brandi Carlile are also on the bill. Just a little reminder that DVDs are now available on the website for immediate delivery. They'll also be in stores next Tuesday the 12th. So whether you buy it from the website, or from your local record haunt, it's definitely worth it, and we could certainly use your support. Thanks again to all of you whose generous help made it possible. best, Jonatha ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This email is sent to you because you are a registered member at http://www.jonathabrooke.com/ for the Jonatha Brooke Discussion Board/Email List. To delete your account and to unsubscribe from further email newsletters and updates please login to: http://www.jonathabrooke.com/discussion/index.php Then click "Profile", scroll to the bottom, check the box next to "Delete Yourself?", click "Submit" Please do not reply to this email... 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He mentions Joni at the end of this segment-I left in the part about Dylan due to recent Dylan fever. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/1443245 AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Pete Seeger, and on this allmusic.com bio of you, it says "Pete Seeger's adherence to the sanctity of folk music came to a boiling point with the advent of folk rock, and it's long been rumored that he tried to pull the plug on Bob Dylan's very electrified set with the Paul Butterfield Blues Band in 1965." Is that true? PETE SEEGER: No. It's true that I don't play electrified instruments. I don't know how to. On the other hand, I have played with people who play them beautifully, and I admire some of them. Howling Wolf was using electrified instruments at Newport just the day before Bob did. But I was furious that the sound was so distorted you could not understand a word that he was singing. He was singing a great song, "Maggie's Farm," a great song, but you couldn't understand it. And I ran over to the soundman, said, "Fix the sound so you can understand him." And they hollered back, "No, this is the way they want it!" I don't know who they was, but I was so mad I said "Damn, if I had an axe I'd cut the cable right now." I really was that mad. But I wasn't against Bob going electric. As a matter of fact, some of Bob's songs are still my favorites. What an artist he is. What a great -- I would say maybe he and Woody and Buffy Sainte-Marie and Joni Mitchell and Malvina Reynolds are the greatest songwriters of the twentieth century, even though Irving Berlin made the most money. They wrote songs that were trying to help us understand where we are, what we gotta do. Still are writing them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Pete Seeger:Joni among greatest songwriters of 20th Century Pete Seegar said: > I would say maybe he (Dylan) > and Woody and Buffy > Sainte-Marie and Joni Mitchell and Malvina Reynolds > are the greatest > songwriters of the twentieth century Buffy the Song Slayer? I must be missing something. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:16:53 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: list etiquette revisited ! I would just like to clarify this again because apparently the first time it was not understood. If someone asks you to stop sending personal emails and to reply only to the list you should do so. I had asked someone on the list to not email me personally and to only reply to the list so that whatever is sent appears on the forum that is the jmdl. The did not understand and emailed me again. I politely asked them again to not email me personally but to send emails to the jmdl. I was then threatened and told if I didn't stop posting stupid messages then I would continue to get personal emails. I don't find this very amusing and it is very close to being grounds for dismissal, i.e., being banned from the jmdl. So let me make this absolutely clear so that it will be understood. If someone asks you not to send them personal emails and you continue to do so that is considered harassment and you may be blocked from posting on this discussion list. I don't see how that can be made any clearer. We now return to our regularly scheduled program, brought to you by the JMDL home companion. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:47:21 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Crikey! njc Catherine wrote: << And someone has said the usual, "He died doing what he loved to do." Someone always says that. >> Bet nobody said that about Elvis... *eewwww* Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 01/09/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:01:00 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan > Bob says its >>"unlikely to see someone called the >"male Joni". Actually, I remember a review of one of David Crosby's post- prison solo albums in which the reviewer said 'he's tying to be the male Joni Mitchell-which he'll never be'. Also a dumb statement. Since he's trying to be the male David Crosby. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Jim Neversink NJC Thanks for the links, Ron - he sounds like a cross between Roy Orbison & T-Bone Burnett. I like his guitar sound a lot. Enjoy the show. Bob NP: M. Ward, "Requiem" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:23:22 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks Bob Muller wrote, re "The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks": "I've got it on video, Nuri - it is so bad it is`painful to watch. The only redeeming features are the musical intro and outro for the film, in which Joni offers up a couple of alternate versions of her WTRF song "Love"." Nuri replied: " You know what? I'm kind of pleased to hear that. Acting and acting-related media is basically "The Art of Manipulation" as the ancient Greek said. Bertolt Brecht said that "Empty-minded and hollow people are the best pretenders and fakers and therefore the best actors"." Now me: Nuri - I think you should see it for yourself and then share your own review. The scene Joni paints in her vignette has dream-like elements, with more than a touch of the self effacing confrontational realities of relationships failed that one hears in her songs. Once I got over some initial cringing (Joni gets to us that way, no ?) I found it not so bad. The film's title is "Love". It's an artsy film featuring several vignettes, each written, directed and/or acted by a different woman of note. It was produced by Barry Levinson (who directed Rain Man). I have seen it because of Bob Muller (who can be a tough critic, it seems, when he feels let down). No box office or academy award nominations here, but I like artsy films. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:31:47 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Behind From Where We Came Nuri replied to Catherine re matters grammatical in Joni's captioned lyric: "Bare with me and you'll see that i'm pointing at the only way this lyric is grammatically correct without changing a single word she wrote." "Bare with me" - That's quite the command, er...... invitation? But is it grammatically correct ? ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:32:10 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Question for movie buffs - from the website From: Olav Mxrkrid email: olav.morkrid@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:22 AM except from "rebel without a cause" what other movies are featured in joni's 1980 concert video "shadows and light"? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #317 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------