From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #314 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 2 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 314 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? [Em ] re: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces ["mia _" ] Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] njc, Mary Hartman & 1976-77 ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" -- njc [Smurf ] Re: religion & politics oh my! njc ["Randy Remote" ] NJC the new Dylan album [Em ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? I see her, (and many others) as working in series, as do many visual artists. The works sort of go together in theme, materials, etc. They can be worked on one at a time or several can be worked on at once, but they are all done and then that's it. What one is not able to pull off in one piece of the series, one may be able to accomplish brilliantly in others. Each is an individual unto itself, and yet they all sort of match. I don't know about in music, but in, say, painting, in art school they really encourage working in series. Like only rarely can one work in a certain direction solidly NAIL one's thrust. I can't speak to all her albums....but of the Joni albums I know well...STAS thru Mingus...it def. smacks of working in series to me. My .02. Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > > What is a concept album? Do you think that > > Joni's albums are concept albums? > > Nuri, I looked it up at Wikipedia and it gave a > pretty good definition: > > **In popular music, a concept album is an album > which is "unified by a theme, which can be > instrumental, compositional, narrative, or > lyrical" They are most often pre-planned > (conceived) and with all songs contributing to a > single overall theme or unified story, this plan > or story being the concept.** > > for more: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_album > > Now, the bigger question...are any of Joni's > albums concept albums? > > Travelogue would be, the "concept" being Joni's > revisiting her catalogue and re-arranging > selections for orchestra. > > Both Sides Now is her performing a cycle of > love/torch songs that tells a story - definitely > a concept album. > > Mingus is a concept album, with the exception of > "Lindsey" which doesn't really fit the > Mitchell-Mingus theme. > > Hissing of Summer Lawns could be debated as a > concept album, given what she wrote about it > being 'conceived as a whole' and all that, but I > don't think the songs fit together that way, > though many are certainly related to one another. > Same goes for STAS, even with its "City" and > "Seaside" segments. > > Bob > > NP: Plastik, "A Case Of You" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:45:20 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces << The kid said it didn't make sense because the number of coins insereted into it when the song begins is SMALLER than the number of coins coming out of it by the end of the song. And the kid was right! All you need to do is listen to the sound of coins in the begining and in the end to know that the damn kid was right! Now you tell me - if the machine claims that it's empty (try another) - then how come it gives back MORE coins than insterted? What the hell is going on there?>> LOL, Nuri! It may be that Joni is using the same type of vending machine that we have at my work. Sometimes when I put my .75 cents in, I'll get two bags of Famous Amos Chocolate Chip Cookies instead of one. At other times, I'll get none. Anyway, your neighbor sounds like a really smart kid! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Sarah McLachlan's "River" It comes out October 17 - but you can hear it right now (and it IS very lovely): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulr7MPyhPaY Bob NP: Sarah, "River" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" Now here is a singer who gets Joni's unique timing! Gorgeous. Jerry Bob Muller wrote: > It comes out October 17 - but you can hear it > right now (and it IS very lovely): > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulr7MPyhPaY > > Bob > > NP: Sarah, "River" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:39:46 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Mary Hartman & 1976-77 Lindsay, why oh why did you have to bring this up again! Take me back...... from tv.com I see that "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman" "Premiered: January 6, 1976 Last Aired: May 10, 1977" Now I'm time-tripping.... That time period was during the near *constant* playing of the new Hissing of Summer Lawns, and then Hejira. What a rich period! (Seems to me.) I am back in my little college "commune".....LOL...we thought we were the hippest cats you ever did see...the upstairs of a raised-ranch duplex on a red-dirt road, lots of pretty people there, reading Rolling Stone....playing setback, playing that scratchy rock 'n roll on a Dual (Duel?) turntable next to a Marantz receiver perched on a bright red artist's desk (contributed by Bob Madigan, art major) on ugly burnt-orange swirl-patterned wall-to-wall carpeting that was always pretty dirty because we didn't have (couldn't afford) a vacuum cleaner. Indian print curtains, old old ripped couch (but comfy as hell), big giant spool table for a coffee table (pot seeds in the grooves...lol!), plants galore in the windows (spider plants and all their babies, rubber plants, etc.), friends and kin and campers in the kitchen ALL the time, especially Friday and Saturday nights (NPIMH: Bob Weir singing "one more Saturday night"). The refrigerator in that kitchen was filled with beer, always, and maybe some ketchup and mustard and a rotting cucumber in the crisper. (Ricky never cleaned the fridge, and we let that cuke stay and stay as a lesson to him, until we could bear it no longer.) Ah, Ashford, CT, 1976-77. Glory days. (We all graduated in May 1976 and then sat around for a while wondering what to do with our lives.) Our dogs and our friends' dogs (labs and shepherds and Irish setters, mostly) wearing bandanas. "Fighting" with my roommates and those friends and kin about what to play next....Grateful Dead vs. Joni Mitchell was the constant battle. Maria Muldaur. Bonnie Raitt. David Bromberg. CSNY. Jefferson Starship. Emmylou Harris. Jackson Browne. Veronique Sanson (wife of Stephen Stills at the time....I was just back from Junior Year Abroad and tried to sneak that in a lot but the roomies took it off after a few songs. "No French stuff!") Hot Tuna. (mmmm...Papa John Creech!) The Band. Rolling Stones (Goat's Head Soup). "And you know...." I can still see all the album covers, pulling them out of the plastic milk crates..... And that's where my first son was conceived! Wow! And on a water bed, of course. (Sorry, Cassy, I don't remember what music was playing....LOL!) Oops! Sorry! I meant to write about Mary Hartman. She was part of that whole scene. The only TV show we watched, I think. Bob's bedroom had the best reception (barely any, actually) so that's where we watched it. Black and white TV. We had to sit all over his dirty laundry on the floor. He was a slob, but we loved him anyway. From http://www.tv.com/mary-hartman-mary-hartman/show/53/summary.html?full_summary=1&tag=showspace_links;full_summary "Welcome to the Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman guide at tv.com Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman!..that's how each episode of this satire started. The show was the brainchild of Norman Lear (Famous for All in the Family, Maude, and others), and was so controversial that none of the three major networks would air it. It was sold into five-day-a-week first-run syndication. Every weekday, you could catch an episode that featured the trials and tribulations of Fernwood, Ohio. It was a satire of soaps, spoofing many parts of the genre. Mary Hartman, the main character, was a middle-class suburban housewife in the town of Fernwood, Ohio. Mary had many problems, one of them being the yellow buildup on her kitchen floor. Other problems she had included having a sullen pre-teen daughter, strange and bizarre parents, an outspoken sister, and a dim and sexually unsatisfying husband. Mary was surrounded by kidnappings, mass murders, car accidents, and much more. The series was loved by critics and audiences alike, and was cancelled only because the star Louise Lasser decided to leave. The series had three spinoffs: Fernwood 2Night (1977), Forever Fernwood (1977-1978), and America 2Night (1978)" Lindsay and Jerry and anyone else who is interested: they have most of the episodes on that site...not video, of course, but text descriptions. To read them is laugh-out-loud fun. Lindsay, you are right....very very slow action. But hysterically funny. Waxy yellow build-up, the Fernwood Flasher, and you know... And Dody Goodman was on there, and Doris Roberts, and Mary Kay Place (she sang pretty well, as I recall). I'm glad we have a three-day weekend coming up so I can go back and read more of those episodes. Bon long weekend, everyone! Love, Patti P., wanting to call all her old roommates to have a "Big Chill" NPIMH (from that movie): I saw her today at a reception A glass of wine in her hand I knew she would meet her connection At her feet was her footloose man No, you can't always get what you want You can't always get what you want You can't always get what you want And if you try sometime you find You get what you need >From: "Lindsay Moon" >To: "'Patti Parlette'" , "joni list" >Subject: Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:10:58 -0700 > >Yes, Patty, I remember "Mary Hartman Mary Hartman." I believe it was on >around the same time as "Soap" (remember, where Billy Crystal played a gay >character; pretty racy for that period). I loved Mary Hartman and as I >recall, the people who liked it were a little weirder and the people who >liked "Soap" were a little more conventional. That could be my faulty >memory. And Dabney Coleman was on Mary Hartman, I just remembered that. >And Mary Kay Place who was her neighbor. And is it coincidence that I >named >my son Dennis and wasn't Dennis the hunky policeman who was always stopping >by flirting with her? I think if we watched that show today we'd be amazed >at how slow-paced it was. You could probably never get away with that in >today's format. I'd love to rent it again and see a little of it. > >Poor Louise Lasser. Who knows whatever happened to her. I remember she >got >busted at some point for coke possession, didn't she? She was Woody >Allen's >first wife, wasn't she? > >And then there was a spin-off show from MH called "Fernwood 2Nite" or >something that was hosted by Martin Mull and had Fred Willard as his >sidekick. Absolutely hysterical. > >Okay, I've got to wrench myself back into 2006 here. I certainly have a >mind for obscure TV memories . > >Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" -- njc - ---Muller wrote: > It comes out October 17 - but you can hear it > right now (and it IS very lovely): > My, my, my . . . that *is* absolutely fecking lovely, Bob. Thanks! That must surely go right to the top of the "River" covers pile. (Poor Robert Downey, Jr.) I wonder if Bonnie would do it better . . . Happy Labor Day, everyone. And happy Labour Day in Canada. Or if you're in England, happy Labour party. Sorry I labored that joke into the ground. XO, - --Smurf, off to pack for the P-town boat in the a.m. ("I took a bicycle to a boat . . .) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:18:17 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: religion & politics oh my! njc > originally written down in English?> > > You mean they weren't?? > Next thing you'll be saying that Jesus wasn't a > white boy. > > Bob You mean, like, an Arab, perhaps? How ironic is that? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC the new Dylan album omg it JUMPS out of the speakers!!!!!!!!!! woo hoooooo!!!!!!! not sure yet what he's saying, but the music is very engaging. At least to anyone with a healthy love for roots rock. Not classic rock, but roots rock. In my quest to find new stuff to love, this is a guilty pleasure for sure. De-lish! Cotton! like I'm supposed to be learning to love microfibers and all...and I go in the store to find a hightech sweat "wicking" garment, cuz after all, I'm supposed to like new stuff....and I find this gorgeous faded denim shirt for sale in the corner...line dried and crisp...and I'm supposed to say "no"???? nah... gimme that blue shirt.... Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:13:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC - --- Cassy wrote: > Yes, Bob, I WAS referring to sex... you're a good > boy! > And I'm a bad girl for pretending I didn't know what you meant. At least one of us deserves a spanking. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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