From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #313 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 1 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 313 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Covers, Volume 80 - September Songs [Bob Muller ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: now Madonna could be an artist NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Classic Movies (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc, chewed [Catherine McKay ] Kalo mina! ["Patti Parlette" ] njc, chewed? C'mon Marianne! ["Patti Parlette" ] Joni at Starbucks ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Nuriel Tobias ] Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Republicans and The sermon on the mount (njc) - now health care ["mia] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] A Little Joni Riddle For You [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: A Little Joni Riddle For You [merk54@aol.com] healthcare in the usa njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: A Little Joni Riddle For You [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Yet another August 30th birthday, or. . .HAPPY BIRTHDAY JMDL!!!! [] njc, Rise up in September! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: - now health care (njc) [] religion & politics oh my! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] war & peace njc ["Kate Bennett" ] media njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Republicans and The sermon on the mount (njc) - now health care [dsk] Re: Music to do it by - NJC ["ron" ] Re: Republicans and The sermon on the mount (njc) - now health care ["mia] Re: Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? [Bob Muller ] Re: Music to do it by - NJC ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 03:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 80 - September Songs And the days dwindle down, to a precious few...well, hopefully we've got lots of days left, but 2006 is starting to dwindle, and we begin the final quarter with yet another solid collection of Joni covers from around the world and spanning the genres & decades. And no helpers this time around, so if you don't like 'em, there's no one to blame but me. Then again, I don't record 'em, I just collect 'em. Anyway, with no further ado, let's kick the tires (or as we say in SC, "tars") and take this baby for a spin...go get it here: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CBA488BE3FD2C246&rcpt=scjoniguy@yahoo.com 1. Sian Phillips - Both Sides Now: Sung in the grande chanteuse style - assuming it's the same Sian, she is from Wales and is known more for her stage and film work than for her singing, which is understandable upon hearing this. Not my cup of tea but Joni would probably like it. 2. Mike Vasas - 'Til There Was You/A Case Of You: Marianne...this one's for YOU, baby! A wonderful medley, Mike's fragile voice is a tad reminiscent of Peter Gabriel, and he sings this melancholy combo to a sparse piano accompaniment, drawing inspiration from Diana Krall's cover. And clocking in at almost 8 minutes, he takes his sweet time wringing all the emotion out of both compositions. 3. Richard Flynn - The Circle Game: Yep, it's one of our own...the distinguished southern gentleman performed this at a Savannah folk club, and they released it on a CD as one of their standout tracks. Some fine picking and some really nice slide work. 4. Don MacGregor - Both Sides Now: Flutist Don MacGregor gives us a pretty instrumental version of the franchise, and includes some nice solo flourishes. I bought the CD from an Australian seller, not sure if that's where Don is from but that's my guess. 5. Katy Mitchell - Big Yellow Taxi: From North Carolina, Katy gives the Joni standard a little blues-folk treatment - when you consider that she was just sweet sixteen when this was cut it's all the more admirable as she sings with a high degree of comfort and confidence. 6. Mike Beck - Carey: Cowboy Mike from Montana has graced us previously with his version of BSN, now he plucks and sings another Joni tune. Nice stuff. 7. Sally Walker - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: Sally blends Joni's lyrics with the alternate lyrics by Rahsaan Roland Kirk. An OK version...the band is solid with some nice sax, Sally's vocal is adequate - she struggles with the high notes and doesn't step outside her comfort zone very often. You certainly can't say that about... 8. Agnes Heginger & Georg Breinschmid: Black Crow - - A vocal/double bass duo from Vienna - you've not heard Black Crow done like this before. Agnes sings in a very free-flowing and open style, scatting, wailing and whatever else the human vox is capable of. 9. Lisa Alibrandi - Night Ride Home: 10. Lisa Alibrandi - Big Yellow Taxi: Hailing from Upstate NY, Lisa's got a smooth guitar and vocal style - reminds me of Phoebe Snow and Dar Williams a little as she sings something old and something (relatively) new from Joni's catalogue. Two thumbs up from me! 11. Sarah's Swing Set - Twisted: Fun vibes-led jazz combo from Indiana. 12. Soundtations - Woodstock: Yet another "try and sound like the original" version, imitating the Matthews Southern Comfort recording. Yawn. 13. Malene Mortensen - All I Want: This is a relatively new one, and it's a sweet blend of light jazzy pop and soul. 14. Bob Moline - Both Sides Now: An oldie, from the year I said goodbye to High School (1975). A little bit of a cross between Neil Diamond and Bobby Goldsboro, a guy with guitar troubadour style. 15. Gwendolyn Joy - Help Me: A JOY to behold! Gwendolyn is a UK soul singer, and this one is chin-deep in soul. Gwen's vocal is right on, with equal portions jazz and soul, and a solid backing band gives her the vehicle to allow her to ride in style. A real winner! 16. Ela Ruiz - Todo Lo Que Quiero 17. Ela Ruiz - All I Want: More Joni covers from South America - Ela recorded this one in both her native Spanish (she definitely lets it rip in her native tongue)as well as English. Both are poppy, latin-tinged treatments - me gusta! 18. Cher - Big Yellow Taxi: From an episode of The Sonny and Cher show, Cher sings over the Ken Wilson animation (that originally featured Joni's recording). A rare gem from TV land - hope you Cher fans dig this one. 19. Ellipsis - I Don't Know Where I Stand: From 2005, Ellipsis is a jazz combo from Philly that takes on songs by Joni, Radiohead, Hendrix, The Fugees and many more. This great jazz interpretation closes out Volume 80 in true style - - hope we hear more from them. And thus we close the door on another entry in the never-ending project - thanks for listening & reading, if you did. Feedback always welcome. And if you have a dial-up or don't want to mess with the download, let me know offlist and we'll work something else out. Bob NP: Laura Love, "Mahbootay" (going out to my FL sistah who turned me on to this record) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 03:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC - --- Cassy wrote: > I'd like to know what everyone recommends, enjoys, > listens to (sort of) when > they're ( to use a euphemism) "doing it". "Help Me" "Sex Kills" "Last Chance Lost" - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:17:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC In a message dated 8/31/2006 10:39:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Siquomb@Comcast.net writes: > I'd like to know what everyone recommends, enjoys, listens to (sort of) > when > they're ( to use a euphemism) "doing it". I'm always open to new > suggestions. > "Seventy-six trombones led the big parade With a hundred and ten cornets close at hand." Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:38:28 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: now Madonna could be an artist NJC >>Madonna could very well BE an artist!<< I don't personally like her or her music, but that is just me. At least she did sign Meshell Ndegeocello to her label, so that is positive, though maybe more commercial than artistic. mike in barcelona np Dianne Reeves - River ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 04:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC Well, it's been so long since I "did it" that I could probably be inspired by a Barney CD, but back in the day I recall that nothing got me worked up as much as a good Prince album; a tantalizing blend of energetic funk, slithery soul, and sensuous spirituality. Bob NP: Dylan, "Workingman's Blues #2" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:26:33 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Classic Movies (NJC) Mark, I am a complete fiend for 30's and 40's movies. I spend endless spans of time "trolling" (as I call it) the TCM channel recording old movies. Today while exercising on our stationary bike, I happened across something with Barbara Stanwyck, Sydney Greenstreet, whoever knows who else ("Christmas in Connecticut" 1945) and there I sat after exercising til after noon. It wasn't even that stunning a movie, I was just transfixed by what they wore, what the customs of the day were, the speech patterns and unfortunately, the endless times they lit cigarettes! I swear I lived in that time at some point in the universe. It just seems very comfortable to me. Of course, you are much more "learned" in the whole genre than I am. I know bits and pieces of the history. I often wish I had someone to talk with about these movies because no one I know really loves them as I do. I could watch them endlessly. I can also relate to having to discover 'what came before' in an artist's history. My first Joni album was "Blue," and after I listened to it, I was so knocked out by it I had to start at the beginning and go album by album and let them sink in after many listenings. I had to hear the progression and it was amazing. Always good to hear from you, Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:25:23 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC "I would dig a hole all the way to China Unless of course I was there then Id dig my way home If by diggin I could steal the wind from the sails of the greedy men who ruled the world Still youre my best friend And after a good, good drunk You and me wake up and make love after a deep sleep Where I was Dreamin, I was Dreamin of a Dreamgirl, Dreamgirl, Dreamgirl, Dreamgirl" Dave Matthews On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:16 PM, Cassy wrote: > I'd like to know what everyone recommends, enjoys, listens to (sort > of) when > they're ( to use a euphemism) "doing it". I'm always open to new > suggestions. > > Warmly, > Cassy > > NP: Fall From Grace - Pat Metheny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Well, it's been so long since I "did it" Did what? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, chewed - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > A cute, big 6th month old, golden retriever (Skylar) > (my friend's dog) > chewed up my cd cover to DJRD today. . > It it had been DED, then it would be Dog eat Dog eat Dog Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:35:28 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Kalo mina! Kalo mina, Joniamigos! That's what a person on a Grecian isle would say at the beginning of a new month: literally, it means "good month"....as in "have a good month." The Matala pics Kakki's been talking about (would you please send them to me, Kakki? Merci en avance! Simon, too.) have me thinking about Greece (and Joni, comme toujours). One of our French professors just got back from there (he goes every year). I asked him how to spell "kalo mina" and he asked if I were writing to a Greek person. I laughed (and toasted to nothing) and said: "No, my Joni people." Roger (who does not blink an eye, knowing me so well) asked: "Do they like Greece?" Me: "Well, Joni spent time on a Grecian isle." Roger: "Ah! Really? Which one?" Me: "Ummm, I'm not sure. But she was in Matala!" Roger: "Ah, an old hippie hangout! That's on Crete." LOL...it's all Greek to me. Or rather, it's all *Joni* to me! Kalo mina! Love, Patti P. P.S. More Greek and Joni stuff.....here's an email I sent to our director of study abroad yesterday, and his reply: - -----Original Message----- From: Patti Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:23 PM To: R Subject: personal -- Joni & Greece Hi R: I know you love "Carey" (it's *such* a "study abroad" kind of song) so I thought you'd enjoy reading more about the Mermaid Cafe and Matala. http://jonimitchell.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=27 It's long, so wait until you have some free time. Peace, Patti ____________ Maybe we should tell Ilias to take the Greece study abroad students there and have a sing 'a long, or dedication! R ___________ Me again: Ha! Yeah! The more voices on it, the better! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:20:19 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, chewed? C'mon Marianne! C'mon Marianne (baby) C'mon Marianne (baby) C'mon Marianne (baby) Say you can understand My Marianne (baby) C'mon Marianne (baby) C'mon Marianne (baby) Marianne, Marianne, Marianne, Marianne................ Do you really expect us to believe that a dog ate a DJRD plastic CD cover? C'mon, Marianne! No matterr what people say, it didn't happen that way Did he eat your homework, too? Did the dog eat Dog Eat Dog, too? How do you like that Joni palindrome, extended? [Gr. *palindromas* running back again] (It's all Greek to me today!) Laughing it all away, Patti P., wondering if there are any other Joni palindromes Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:32:22 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc, chewed A cute, big 6th month old, golden retriever (Skylar) (my friend's dog) chewed up my cd cover to DJRD today. . as I was carrying it to the barn. . it must have fallen out of the case. . I walked a few steps. . . looked back and this puppy, full of love. . was enjoying it. . : -) oh well.. : -) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:32:32 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni at Starbucks Was in a Starbucks last night and at the counter they have a new CD called 1971 (the year Starbucks was founded) with music popular that year such as . our Joan, Stevie Wonder, etc. (See link below). I was peeved that the sticker was put over the Joni song on each copy (I see from the site it's "All I Want"). So not only was this good news, but when I came out of the restroom, there was "Blue" on their CD display. Things are looking up AND I had a nice cup of coffee and got to read a book for an hour while my daughter was at a soccer practice. (Okay, one bad note, girl on cell phone talking loudly and endlessly about stupid things.) I'll take what I can get. Lindsay http://www.hearmusic.com/#PRODUCT209 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC Bob Muller wrote: "Well, it's been so long since I "did it" that I could probably be inspired by a Barney CD, but back in the day I recall that nothing got me worked up as much as a good Prince album; a tantalizing blend of energetic funk, slithery soul, and sensuous spirituality." Oh, so THAT what the "NP: Prince" you wrote in a post back in 1997 was all about! Nuri Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:10:58 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) Yes, Patty, I remember "Mary Hartman Mary Hartman." I believe it was on around the same time as "Soap" (remember, where Billy Crystal played a gay character; pretty racy for that period). I loved Mary Hartman and as I recall, the people who liked it were a little weirder and the people who liked "Soap" were a little more conventional. That could be my faulty memory. And Dabney Coleman was on Mary Hartman, I just remembered that. And Mary Kay Place who was her neighbor. And is it coincidence that I named my son Dennis and wasn't Dennis the hunky policeman who was always stopping by flirting with her? I think if we watched that show today we'd be amazed at how slow-paced it was. You could probably never get away with that in today's format. I'd love to rent it again and see a little of it. Poor Louise Lasser. Who knows whatever happened to her. I remember she got busted at some point for coke possession, didn't she? She was Woody Allen's first wife, wasn't she? And then there was a spin-off show from MH called "Fernwood 2Nite" or something that was hosted by Martin Mull and had Fred Willard as his sidekick. Absolutely hysterical. Okay, I've got to wrench myself back into 2006 here. I certainly have a mind for obscure TV memories . Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:06:35 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: Republicans and The sermon on the mount (njc) - now health care I hope I didn't send this to the list twice. If I did, please forgive - I hit some wrong buttons. Kakki wrote: <> and then: <> Both Medicare and Medicaid are government run/subsidized health programs. If we (in the U.S.) had a National Health plan, in essence, everybody would be on Medicare (like your friends already were). Currently, in order to qualify for Medicare, you must be 65 or older, or have one of a few covered limited chronic conditions, such as kidney failure (and be poor). Medicaid is a program for the poor, so I guess, yes you could say (some of) the poor have great access to health care. But it is the middle class that is at risk, and therefore, the nation as a whole is at risk. The middle class makes up the backbone of this country (and we are losing ground quickly). So, in order for a gravely ill middle class person to qualify for medicaid, his or her assets must be depleted. Also, people that are uninsured drive up costs for the rest of us who are insured, such as by not getting their basic preventive health care needs met, having their illnesses spiral out of control, and seeking treatment at emergency rooms - a very expensive place to be treated. Private medical insurance is administered based on the law of adverse selection - the tendency of persons who possess a greater likelihood of loss to apply for or continue insurance to a greater extent than others. Insurance companies are only in it for the profit. Most private medical insurance is medically underwritten. I work in the industry, and it is absolutely heartbreaking to tell an applicant that their insurance application has been denied based on their medical condition. Insurance helps people who don't need it the most, and it doesn't help those who do need it the most. My employer-based health care is great (even tho' I've had to wait several months for treatment and get dick'ed around by my carrier's red tape), but I would trade it in a minute for the security of a national health plan. If I get gravely ill and lose my job, I will lose my insurance. (I could pay the hefty Cobra premiums, but that will only last 15 mos). If I apply for private insurance, I will be denied based on my now "pre-existing condition." I will be forced to go on Medicaid, and lose my life savings, including my paltry retirement nest egg, probably not be able to file bankruptcy (unless I'm a corrupt ceo with a couple of mansions in Florida), and live in squalor in my elder years. <> Where will these doctors go for higher pay? Canada? France? Right! A draft for doctors? I will gladly be first in line. Taxes on the public? Our taxes are already being bilked to subsidize big insurance companies. And besides, a 'tax' for national healthcare or a 'premium' for private insurance? Seems like a wash to me (except that a portion of my premiums are earmarked for profits) We are already utilizing lots of PA's and Nurse Practioners. Some RN's are even making more money than physicians because big insurance companies have these doctors in a strangle-hold over reimbursement rates. So many physicians are leaving the profession based on that alone. When I was a child, my parents took me to the most wonderful pediatrician. I still saw him in my teen years, then one day he was gone and went to Canada because he believed in their system. Gawd, I hate getting political but this topic is so near and dear to my heart. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:14:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC I was assuming that she was referring to sex. Cassy, mistress of pain, please correct me if I'm wrong. Bob NP: My Brightest Diamond, "Freak Out" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:32:44 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC The soundtrack to Manhattan. Jerry > Bob Muller wrote: "Well, it's been so long since I > "did it" that I > could probably be inspired by a Barney CD, but > back in the day I recall that nothing got me > worked up as much as a good Prince album; a > tantalizing blend of energetic funk, slithery > soul, and sensuous spirituality." > > > Oh, so THAT what the "NP: Prince" you wrote in a post back in 1997 was all > about! > > > Nuri > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: A Little Joni Riddle For You There's only one Joni lyric that starts and ends with the same word. What's that lyric?:) Nuri Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:42:08 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: A Little Joni Riddle For You Dog eat dog! Jack - -----Original Message----- From: nurielt@yahoo.com To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:32 PM Subject: A Little Joni Riddle For You There's only one Joni lyric that starts and ends with the same word. What's that lyric?:) Nuri Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:22:37 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: healthcare in the usa njc The subject has been broached. Healthcare in this country is abysmal. Though it won't make a dent in the minds of those that refuse to see or believe the truth I will first give my perspective and then give other facts. The main reason for this post is to ask those in the countries that do have socialized medicine, what is their take on it? An obscure reference to friends that have such healthcare and their happiness with such doesn't do it for me. I make a nice income but I fall in the middle section of workers and income. I can't quality for all those 'free' programs written of so positively. They aren't that free and aren't that good. They pay for 'basic' care only and do not even begin to do more. To write otherwise is a fraudulent misrepresentation. The millions in this country, and I will find out the exact # or as close as is known, that don't have health insurance are just screwed. Private hospitals will turn you away if you have no insurance. County hospitals are only required to stabilize a patient, if their ailments are life threatening, and will also turn you away if you don't have insurance. If the ailments is life threatening they will stabilize the patient and then release them. They do not do anything more. They do not take care of the underlying problem and will not perform surgery or anything else if they can possibly get out of it. Medicaid and those other 'free' programs are not free. They require a sizeable stipend to do anything when it pertains to hospital care before they will touch a patient. We in the middle get nothing. It's either pay for it up front or it doesn't get taken care of. I have a healthcare program with my job and it pays for some things but doesn't cover a large portion of the costs. And that is a Blue Cross plan. My partner is currently out of work. He has no insurance and can't qualify for any of those 'free' programs because he made too much last year. If he has a problem, he is screwed. With all the bureaucratic red tape he would have to not work for at least 12 months to get any help, to even be considered for help. A current situation or crisis would leave him completey helpless. And no, the hospitals would not take care of him. They would, as I have already written, stabilize him and send him home. (Four years ago when I lived in the podunk town and had excruciating pain I was allowed to lay and writhe on the emergency room floor for 3 hours because I didn't have insurance. They then took me in, gave me pain medicine, refused to hospitalize me, diagnosed it as a kidney stone, and sent me home. No followup, no treatment, nothing except advice to drink a lot of water and hope that it passed. If it had not, then too bad. If it gets bad enough to threaten your life, come back and we will see what we can do. I have always abided by the laws of this country, have always paid my taxes, have always played by the rules. Yet, I am not worthy of having healthcare because I couldn't afford it. Yes, great system. And all the while the pharmaceutical companies get richer and richer by bribing and being in collusion with the medical corporations and physicians.) As for an acute infection such as strep throat, pneumonia, etc, they would stabilize and send him home. They would not pay for an antibiotic, would not pay for a nebulizer or an inhaler, would not help with followup, would do nothing else. As for the patients I take care of. The ones with Medicare get three weeks or treatment. After that, it stops. Rehab stops. Physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy are cut off at that point. If they are not better within that time frame, too bad. And they are only allotted 100 days a year for that. If those days are used up, too bad. Medicare will then take them up if they have no cash left. They have to have decimated all their money, savings, etc. to qualify. Then they can qualify for Medicaid. Medicaid takes all their money from social security and leaves them 45 bucks. Their services then do not allow any kind of rehab. It pays for some medications but only the ones that are acknowledged as being the cheapest. And it doesn't pay for all medications then, the family must make up the difference. If they don't, too bad. For someone to write that our healthcare system takes care of the citizens of this country is an outrageous untruth. It is a bloated mess with only the richest folks being able to afford it. The rest are left to fend for themselves. Now for facts and they will be coming in upcoming emails. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:47:23 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) >From: Lindsay Moon >Poor Louise Lasser. >Who knows whatever happened to her She had a small part in one my all-time favorite parody/satire movies "Mystery Men" a few years ago. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: A Little Joni Riddle For You That's right, Jack - Bravo!:) Nuri merk54@aol.com wrote: Dog eat dog! Jack - -----Original Message----- From: nurielt@yahoo.com To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:32 PM Subject: A Little Joni Riddle For You .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { font: 11px arial; border: 1px solid #7DA8D4; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px arial; background: #B5DDFA; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: none; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: underline; } body { background-color: white; font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt; border: 0px; } p { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } img.managedImg { width: 0px; height: 0px; } img.placeholder { width: 275px; height: 206px; background: #F4F4F4 center center no-repeat; border: 1px solid #DADAD6 !important; } There's only one Joni lyric that starts and ends with the same word. What's that lyric?:) Nuri Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - --------------------------------- Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. - --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:58:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) I've always wondered why Mary Hartman and Fernwood 2Nite never showed up in rerun on any of the cable channels. Do we really need to see Three's Company for the 5000th time? Jerry > Yes, Patty, I remember "Mary Hartman Mary Hartman." I believe it was on > around the same time as "Soap" (remember, where Billy Crystal played a gay > character; pretty racy for that period). I loved Mary Hartman and as I > recall, the people who liked it were a little weirder and the people who > liked "Soap" were a little more conventional. That could be my faulty > memory. And Dabney Coleman was on Mary Hartman, I just remembered that. > And Mary Kay Place who was her neighbor. And is it coincidence that I named > my son Dennis and wasn't Dennis the hunky policeman who was always stopping > by flirting with her? I think if we watched that show today we'd be amazed > at how slow-paced it was. You could probably never get away with that in > today's format. I'd love to rent it again and see a little of it. > > Poor Louise Lasser. Who knows whatever happened to her. I remember she got > busted at some point for coke possession, didn't she? She was Woody Allen's > first wife, wasn't she? > > And then there was a spin-off show from MH called "Fernwood 2Nite" or > something that was hosted by Martin Mull and had Fred Willard as his > sidekick. Absolutely hysterical. > > Okay, I've got to wrench myself back into 2006 here. I certainly have a > mind for obscure TV memories . > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:56:14 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: healthcare njc 46.6 million Americans have no healthcare insurance as of 2005 according the Boston Globe. http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2006/08/30/number_of uninsured_hits_record/ For an interesting viewpoint concerning British healthcare as opposed to U.S. healthcare the link is: http://gladwell.typepad.com/gladwellcom/2006/05/us_versus_uk.html That particular article discusses the healthcare of our two countries and why ours costs so more yet we don't get more. www.nchc.org/facts/coverage/shtml www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/005647.html While it is interesting to note that those in Canadian and British healthcare had to wait longer for elective procedures than those in the U.S., this doesn't take into account that the reason is that those in the U.S. that can't afford it simply don't get those procedures done. Rather makes the statistics completely unviable. When faced with the prospects of having needed surgery done, I would opt for waiting other than not having it done period. - --Uninsured children in the land of the free: http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/1411/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:39:41 -0500 From: Subject: Yet another August 30th birthday, or. . .HAPPY BIRTHDAY JMDL!!!! OK--I've been experiencing computer woes and work deadlines, and I'm on digest, so please forgive me if this has been discussed to death already. But, unless I'm mistaken: isn't there another August 30 birthday we need to be celebrating? Didn't the JMDL itself turn a robust 10 years old two days ago? And I might be off by a day or two, but not by much. So: Happiest of birthdays, JMDL! Thanks so much, Les Irvin, for your commitment, your comprehensiveness of focus, and your spirit. To all of you: thanks for the memories, the laughter, the occasional tears, the Joni sightings! Heartfelt thanks to those who are no longer with us in body, but who contributed so very much to our community. And thanks most of all to Joni Mitchell for giving us a body of work so challenging, so meaningful, so evocative, and so enjoyable that we're all still sitting around talking about it, 10 years after we started. Take care, everyone. And, in the words of Jamie Zoob, "much Joni!" Mary P., Madison, WI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:50:07 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: National Health Service njc www.nhs.uk/ http://scienceweek.com/2004/sb041008-4,htm And unlike those that put forth only their own agendas: http://www/americandaily.com/article/5441 http://blog.lib.umn.edu/schwitz/healthnews/048170.html And like just about everything else, the Canadians do it better: http://dominionpaper.ca/health/2006/07/22/bill_of_he.html www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Health/HealthCare_USvsCanada.html And of course I am sure there are plenty of U.S. based sharks that will dispute the facts concerning our healthcare system. Even vs. the socialized countries. Let's look at facts that can't be disputed. Infant mortality rate: Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Germany, France, Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, Great Britain, New Zealand, Italy, and 28 others rate higher than the U.S. Hmmm, how many of those countries have socialized medicine? Our life expectancy at birth rates 48th!!!!!!!!!! http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html More coming. And this in the 'greatest', most certainly richest and greediest country in the world. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces Help! This is driving me insane! A neighbor's kid was visiting us. He's 8 yo, and when he's got nothing to do, he likes to check out our CD's, drum our piano and eat our sweets. So the kid was listening to lots of albums the other day and one of them was DED. He doesn't understand English, but he's got the ears of a demon. Nothing escapes him. So then came "Smokin". The kid liked it a lot and asked me about "the strange sounds" in the song. I told him it was a cigarette machine and that "the woman" is inserting coins into it but the machine tells her that it's empty and that there are no packs. The kid said it didn't make sense because the number of coins insereted into it when the song begins is SMALLER than the number of coins coming out of it by the end of the song. And the kid was right! All you need to do is listen to the sound of coins in the begining and in the end to know that the damn kid was right! Now you tell me - if the machine claims that it's empty (try another) - then how come it gives back MORE coins than insterted? What the hell is going on there? Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? Friends, i have a question regarding a topic that seems to be hip these days. What is a concept album? Do you think that Joni's albums are concept albums? Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:14:15 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Rise up in September! Querido Joniamigos: Please pardon the "forward" I am pasting below (I try to avoid them, as a rule), but if this stirs just one person to some kind of peace action, it will be worth it. It's from CODEPINK. Graham and Bonnie ("...and you know...") have participated in many of their actions, so you know you're in good company. Kalo mina...a new month... NPIMH: A new day, a new way, I knew I should see it along Go your way, I'll go mine and Carry on Love, Patti P., still in a (CS)NY state of mind - -------------------- September 1, 2006 Dear Patti, We are just back from the first CODEPINK activist retreat, renewed, inspired and energized for the work ahead. Good thing, because there is still so much work to be done to pressure our elected officials - and candidates - to end the war in Iraq. September will be an action-packed month for us. Several ongoing and upcoming campaigns need your energy: * Troops Home Fast: The fast we began against the war on July 4 will continue until International Peace Day, September 21. Over 5,000 of you have participated in the fast, some for a day, a week, a month, and some intrepid souls, like our cofounder Jodie Evans, are now on Day 59. If you'd still like to be part of the fast, sign up at www.troopshomefast.org. We'll have a ceremonial Break Fast in front of the White House on September 21. Please join us! Many plan to continue to fast one day a week after September 21, most on Wednesdays, as a way to remember those suffering in Iraq and deepen their own commitment to peace. * Camp Democracy: From September 5-20 in Washington DC, we will participate in an exciting series of anti-war activities called Camp Democracy. The official CODEPINK day of the camp is September 20 - we hope you'll join us. Howard Zinn will be offering a teach-in, and we'll visit the offices of the Armed Services Committee members to give out big hugs as part of our Arms are for Hugging action. So come to Washington on September 20 and stay for a wild and wonderful weekend (see below). * Declaration of Peace: From September 21-28, in Washington and across the nation, we'll participate in vigils, rallies, demonstrations and civil disobedience against the occupation of Iraq. We'll kick off the week with house parties for peace. Will you consider hosting a party in your home on September 21? We'll send you a powerful anti-war DVD and ideas for making it an effective organizing tool. During the week, be sure to pay a visit to your local congressperson or senate office. If you join us in Washington September 20-24, we promise you a weekend of colorful and creative anti-war actions! As we mark the 1st anniversary of Katrina and look toward the 5th anniversary of September 11th, we remember once again that when our leadership fails, we need to rise up to help one another and demand justice. Let's make September a month of glorious rising up, glorious acting up, glorious and lasting change. With peace and hope and love, Anedra, Dana, Erin, Farida, Gael, Jodie, Katie, Laura, Medea, Nancy, Rae, Samantha and Tiffany P.S. Don't forget to forward this email to your friends! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:10:11 -0700 From: Subject: Re: - now health care (njc) Mia, You make lots of good points. I definitely think it is a serious issue that needs to be addressed but wish for a possibly different solution than leaving it all up to the government. I'd like to address some of your points in more detail but have to get going for the holiday weekend. Maybe when I return and have more time. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:43:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: religion & politics oh my! njc >There not Proverbs this is Jesus Christ teaching us what is right and what is wrong, do you understand this, there is no room for interpertation.< LOL. Is that because you believe these words were originally written down in English? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:04:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: war & peace njc >I support the fight against people who have attacked us and declared war on us over 30 years ago and have been killing our innocent people since that time. How do you suggest we peacemake with them in an effective way?< which has little to do with the people of iraq... but now, thanks to our administration's invasion, the predictions of those (with experience in middle east affairs) who warned us not to invade because it would increase the ranks of terrorists as well as the hatred against our country has come true... effective peacemaking has to take a long term approach... if you try understand the roots of terrorism you can begin to address it in a rational way... and speaking of killing innocent people, our country (throughout many administrations) has been guilty of this for a very long time... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:07:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: media njc >Uh well, it has been proven a whole bunch of ways that most of the media is slanted toward or evocative of the left. > not true- studies have shown the opposite to be true ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: Republicans and The sermon on the mount (njc) - now health care - --- mia _ wrote: > Currently, in order to qualify for Medicare, you > must be 65 or older, or > have one of a few covered limited chronic > conditions, such as kidney failure > (and be poor). Mia, I'm agreeing with everything you and Mack have written, except to point out that a person doesn't have to be poor to receive Medicare. Everyone age 65 who's worked and paid into the Social Security system can receive Medicare benefits, sometimes earlier than age 65 for some conditions (but even then I think having paid into SS is the deciding factor rather than how much money they have in the bank). Wealthy people may choose not to receive them because they're probably going to doctors unwilling to take Medicare patients, especially with the Bush administration now trying to decrease Medicare payments by 25%-30% . It's another squeeze by the Bushies on programs for working people so the wealthiest 1% of U.S. citizens can get even more money. It's a sign of their stupidity that conservatives of modest means get so incensed at the idea of wealth distribution when it benefits the middle or lower classes, but they don't mind at all when the distribution is going to the top 1%. Giving money to people already wealthy beyond most people's comprehension hurts everyone, even that top 1% eventually. The Bushies are Christian? Gotta snort, roll my eyes, and curse at that idea. They and everyone who's still making excuses for them have lots of blood on their hands. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:46:14 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC if you play it they will come??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:32:54 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: Republicans and The sermon on the mount (njc) - now health care <> Deb, thanks for clarifying that. You are correct. I didn't actually mean that someone over age 65 had to be poor to qualify, but I guess I was (unfairly) generalizing about the people under age 65, as most people I know who are on SS disability benefits are already poor. My bad. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:01:47 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Sat. Night Live Remembrances (NJC) From: "Jerry Notaro" > I've always wondered why Mary Hartman and Fernwood 2Nite never showed up > in > rerun on any of the cable channels. Do we really need to see Three's > Company > for the 5000th time? Or even the first. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:00:17 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC From: "Cassy" > I'd like to know what everyone recommends, enjoys, listens to (sort of) > when > they're ( to use a euphemism) "doing it". I'm always open to new > suggestions. "Slippin' Into Darkness" ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces Nuriel Tobias wrote: >Now you tell me - if the machine claims that it's empty (try another) - then >how come it gives back MORE coins than insterted? What the hell is going >on there? Tell him that she put in quarters, but some of the change came back in dimes and nickles. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: religion & politics oh my! njc You mean they weren't?? Next thing you'll be saying that Jesus wasn't a white boy. Bob NP: Michelle Branch, "River" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? > What is a concept album? Do you think that > Joni's albums are concept albums? Nuri, I looked it up at Wikipedia and it gave a pretty good definition: **In popular music, a concept album is an album which is "unified by a theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, narrative, or lyrical" They are most often pre-planned (conceived) and with all songs contributing to a single overall theme or unified story, this plan or story being the concept.** for more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_album Now, the bigger question...are any of Joni's albums concept albums? Travelogue would be, the "concept" being Joni's revisiting her catalogue and re-arranging selections for orchestra. Both Sides Now is her performing a cycle of love/torch songs that tells a story - definitely a concept album. Mingus is a concept album, with the exception of "Lindsey" which doesn't really fit the Mitchell-Mingus theme. Hissing of Summer Lawns could be debated as a concept album, given what she wrote about it being 'conceived as a whole' and all that, but I don't think the songs fit together that way, though many are certainly related to one another. Same goes for STAS, even with its "City" and "Seaside" segments. Bob NP: Plastik, "A Case Of You" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:16:12 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC Yes, Bob, I WAS referring to sex... you're a good boy! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Catherine McKay" ; "Cassy" ; "JMDL" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Music to do it by - NJC > > > I was assuming that she was referring to sex. > Cassy, mistress of pain, please correct me if I'm > wrong. > > Bob > > NP: My Brightest Diamond, "Freak Out" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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