From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #299 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 23 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 299 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- (NJC) The olive discussion ["Lori Fye" ] Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: where and how do you listen?? vljc ["mia _" ] all this talk of food now NJC [mags h ] Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers NJC [Bob Muller Subject: (NJC) The olive discussion (was Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #295 NJC) Because I had been on digest for awhile and missed a lot of posts, and then yesterday switched back to the individual post method of receiving Joni mail, I am just now seeing all the recent posts about food -- thanks to Maggie McNally putting them together for us! (Thanks, Maggie! And hi!!) So I just now read what Jim (aka Lama) wrote about olives ... On 20 Aug 2006, at 02:27, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > I think black olives taste different from green olives. To me, the > green ones are one-dimensional, just a salt flavor, while the black > ones are more complex, like walnuts. Jim, as someone who was born and raised in Ohio, and knowing that you live around Cincinnati/Covington, I feel compelled to point out that your opinion of olives is probably a function of where you grew up. I'm sure I'll get some grief for saying this, but it's been my personal experience that people in Ohio (and Kentucky, and much of the rest of the middle U.S.) have missed out on a LOT of good food. They simply are not adventurous, and because they are not adventurous, most of their grocery stores reflect their (lack of) taste. My family in northeastern Ohio wouldn't know what to do with a green olive that wasn't pitted and stuffed with pimento, nor would they ever consider eating a black olive that didn't come from a can. (Of course, my family also refers to green bell peppers as "mangoes," and no one can tell me why. I'm not sure they've ever seen or eaten an actual mango.) Yes, black olives do taste different from green olives, but as so many have pointed out already, there is a WORLD of olives out there! Many shades of colors between green and black, many tastes and textures to enjoy. I personally think black olives in a can are about the most bland things on earth, and I now only eat "regular" green olives (those little things with pimento in them) when there is simply nothing else available (like when I'm visiting my family in Ohio) and I'm desperate for an olive fix. Jim, take the advice of Maggie and others and go to a store that has an olive bar, and try some different olives! Most places will allow you to sample different varieties. Go today!! Let me know if you find an olive that just makes you close your eyes and say, "Oh! My god!" (In a good way.) Lori Santa Rosa, CA P.S. - Em, I know what you mean about green olives being more like meat than fruit. I love that characteristic. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:47:37 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers (njc) On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:12 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > Im sorry good she is, you see > India Aires is good for 2006 but not so amazingly brilliant to warrant > her being singled out above all other singers in her Genre. I can > switch > the Radio on in the car or at home and hear singers singing as good as > her, and her songs if she does write them, will not be rememberd in 20 > years time Like Paul Simon or Steve Wonder.You see this is my point > some > people are reduced to saying she is wonderfull, leaving out the For > 2006!Aretha Franklin she aint. This statement is a very negative view on music and I completely disagree. India Arie IS amazingly brilliant and she DOES warrant being singled above the average singers in her genre. If you don't see that then it is more of a statement about you than her. It's also wrong to say her songs won't be remembered in 20 years. You have no basis to make that statement..you imply that since you will not remember her songs in 20 years, noone else will which is simply not true. Comparing her to Aretha Franklin is like comparing apples to oranges...its pointless. And it doesn't matter whether she wrote her songs in 2006 or 2000. The producer I worked with, Chris Rosser of Asheville, is another example of a brilliant musician who is of a younger generation. He plays in a trio along with River Guerguerian(worked with Tan Dun, Omar Faruk, etc...) and Elliot Wadopian (Paul Winter Consort). To find more about his music visit http://chrisrosser.com . I am sick of hearing this idea that there is no good music being written anymore because it simply not true and if you believe that then you are living in a cave or listening to Clear Channel too much. India Arie is fecking awesome for 2006 or 3008, brilliant for eternity! Victor NP: Braves and Pirates on Turner South ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Ashara's birthday today!!! njc Wishing you a very happy birthday Ashara...our very own Mama Lion!!! love you tonnes!!!!! Magsie xoxooxxoox - ----- what would bob marley do? - ----- - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:13:44 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: where and how do you listen?? vljc << Gone are the days of being young enough to just enjoy doing nothing while I learn the lyrics to my favorite songs... lying on the floor on my belly poring over the album cover lyrics... well once in a while I still do that.>> I guess I haven't given it much thought, but I really don't sit home anymore to listen and do nothing. I used to love poring over the album cover lyrics, but now the tiny CD inserts have taken all the fun out of that! I mostly listen in my car, and YES, I will actually go for a drive to 'no place special' just for the purpose of listening to my music. I also listen to music at work with the headphones on. If I do listen at home, it's usually to hear something specific in a song, and if it's Joni, I'll get caught up in the moment and listen to the whole cd. If I clean up and mop the kitchen (which is rare), I'll put on a Mozart flute concerto. But if I vacuum or do dishes, I don't put any music on because I get very annoyed with all the noise interrupting my music. I also dislike reading books with music on. If I want to fall asleep to music, I have to dial in a jazz station on the clock radio. Any other type of music makes my brain want to plot out the direction of the melodies and analyze the lyrics. Busy brain = no sleep. Not a fan of ipods, or the shuffle at all. Whole album experience all the way! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: all this talk of food now NJC mmmm.....bringing me out of lurkdom for this one.... wonderful to see all this talk about food now...and especially to see our faire Maggie , aka the 'other Mags ;-))) posting .. I will add to her post about the Fest-ivities of the Joni kind; a life altering experience, meeting Jonikindreds from round the globe, face to face, hug to hug, Nothing like it imho. and speaking of food, I've created a garden this year, and am enjoying taste of real tomatoes, zucchini, oregano, rosemary, sage, chives, etc...not to mention some delicious fresh mint for tea...as well as anise...to me there is nothing quite like going downstairs to the garden, and clipping some fresh herbs to sprinkle over whatever it is that happens to be in the works for dinner. So very nice to enjoy eating peppers too..my preference is the tri colour..red/yellow/orange...green ick..sorry but green is too bitter for me. as for listening...i live with a frustrating hearing impairment... (narg), i find it very challenging to 'hear' music. If i sit at the computer , pull up some lyrics, it is a wonderful thing.. lots of mondegreens going on in this prairie girl's mind ;-)) When I can, when it's calm out there in the streets of the Peg, I like listening to music in the car, too. Not listening to much Joni these days....funny how that goes... don't it always seem to go ;-)) and speaking of music, thanks for the links today, I have enjoyed the Joni covers so very much. Danilo, wonderful rendition of Amelia...and Robin, wow...shades of Rebecca Jenkins... and wonderful guitar work along side..Kudos to all of you....And Jamie....well, as always, your voice is wonderful and I must take this moment to congratulate you, and wish you well in all of your work ... and speaking of Jonifest, one of the things I enjoyed so much was the book exchange. What is everyone reading these days? I am in the midst of a gorgeous short story collection by Aussie writer Tim Winton, the book entitled, The Turning. Delicious verbage; wonderful imagery. Plain and powerful. again, taking a moment to wish the Queen of all things Jonifest a very happy, joyful birthday...she told me herself she doesnt mind a lengthy celebration, so let's give her some days.... i join in the chorus ... go to Fest, you wont regret it... and the scenery is breath taking, and the squishing of mud popping up through the toes in that mountain stream with Lieve, and my sister Lucy..well....say you will go..... love, Magsie np: silence - ----- what would mike pritchard do? - ----- - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers NJC I think the point is that the 21st century crack whores can't hold a candle to the classic crack whores of the 80's. Bob NP: Prince, "Head" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:09:36 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: anybody heard of this group?, njc _http://luceromusic.com/home.cfm_ (http://luceromusic.com/home.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:40:23 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Springsteen's "Seeger Sessions", was NJC Gravelly Voices Tour? Different strokes. I loved "The Seeger Sessions" at first and still do. Seeger isn't very far from Guthrie anyway, eh? He's already put "This Land Is Your Land" out there. He re-wrote "Tom Joad". For me, the CD is like a great Beatles record: there are many flavors on it. Recall- he took a song about the Oklahoma dustbowl and put an Okie swing accompanyment with it! Regionally, historically, and musically it fits, plus, he gets points for stepping outside of his comfort zone. (Since you were disappointed with Steely Dan for sticking with the formula, you have to conceed a major point here.) Springsteen with a cajun accordian and fiddles? C'mon! Mellencamp is praised for his roots stuff. There's the anti-war theme, the man-vs-machine themes, the government-as-disappointment theme, the outlaw-betrayed-by-a-friend, the redemption in "O Mary" (which you mentioned), and a fun song at the end. The sequence is well thought out; it's like a great meal. You don't often put garlic in the dessert. 'Froggy Comes A-Courtin' is like a mint after a varied and satisfying meal. Plus, Sprinsteen's singing like he's having fun for a change. He's not getting my $100 though. Jim "I'm not arguing, I'm just saying." Paul Riser From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com there are some good moments on the Seeger Sessions disc, and one KILLER track (O Mary Don't You Weep), but it seems to me that the BETTER option would have been to do a Woody Guthrie sessions record - Bruce has always been linked to that chain...Woody G--->Bob Dylan-->Bruce Springsteen and it would have had more bite in terms of him making some kind of statement than "Froggy Went A' Courting". And as I've told you before, I think Mellencamp has been underrated for most of his career - I've always enjoyed his work. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:50:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: where and how do you listen?? njc I think you have "issues". I want you to work on this. Let's meet every two weeks for a while. Do you have insurance? Jim L. Em said, > I was wondering if some of you wouldn't mind sharing the ways (or the main one way) that you mostly listen to music. I'm kind of in a weird place with this........listening for the sake of listening has turned into a bit of a problem. Basically because I'll sit there and get kind of wasted (drink in hand). Which seemed to used to be OK. But now I'd rather not....so I try to listen to music *while* I'm doing something else, which sometimes can be really good, but which other times can seem really shallow. Sometimes it does the music a disservice.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:59:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: where and how do you listen?? njc In my 20s, I'd sit in front of the stereo every day for hours, playing record after record. That blank patience was induced by herbal enhancement and that ran its course. Now, I try to find out what the local AAA station's playing, and listen to "The World Cafe". That's how I found Springsteen's latest and the new Knopfler/Emmylou collaboration. Both of those 1st exposures came when I had the headphones on at work. If it's good, it cuts right through. Yeah, sometimes I miss listening in the foreground but mostly I'm reading mail or writing or something. All the best, Jim L. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #299 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------