From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #298 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 22 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 298 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mitchell (was Gravelly Voices Tour? (now with JC)) ["Jamie's Box of Paint] Re: njc, CSNY "went too far?", now John Fogerty too?? [Em ] Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] bell peppers, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] where and how do you listen?? njc [Em ] bell peppers, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: bell peppers, njc [Smurf ] Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - NJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: bell peppers, njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Wanda Jackson et al NJC ["Cassy" ] njc, Derek Trucks, then music-related absences from work ["Patti Parlette] Re: where and how do you listen?? ["Cassy" ] Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers [Andeemac2006 ] Re: where and how do you listen?? [Em ] Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers [Em ] Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: njc, Derek Trucks, then music-related absences from work [Bob.Muller@] Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers ["Cassy" ] RE: NJC Tom Waits in Asheville ["mike pritchard" ] Re: where and how do you listen?? njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Israel, njc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: njc, Derek Trucks, then music-related absences from work [Victor John] Re: where and how do you listen?? njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:36:12 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Mitchell (was Gravelly Voices Tour? (now with JC)) Yes, that's probably the most plausible theory! After the marriage she was known officially as Joan Mitchell, (maybe Joni) but it wasn't til after the ceremony (according to WOHAM) that Chuck intimated strongly that he didn't want to raise another man's child. So I guess when she put Kelly Dale up for adoption she was Joni Mitchell so in order for the young Kilauren to look for her birth mother, surely Joni would've thought 'I have to keep this name as I registered the adoption under it. Too bad for Chuck!' So you sign all the papers... in the family name You're sad and you're sorry but you're not ashamed Makes you wonder... what family.... the Anderson's or the Mitchell's? I would love to be able to know, wouldn't you? Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 22/08/06, Lori Fye wrote: > I asked, about Joni retaining the last name Mitchell after divorcing Chuck: > > The only thing I can think of -- other than maybe Joni just liked the sound > of "Joni Mitchell" better than "Joni Anderson" -- is that Chuck married Joni > when she still had Kelly Dale (later to be known as Kilauren), and perhaps > she wanted to keep Mitchell as some sort of link to her child. (Although I > don't know if Kilauren was ever known as Kelly Mitchell -- anyone else > know?) > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, CSNY "went too far?", now John Fogerty too?? duly noted, Patti! :) Em - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > > >Doing what he did made him less popular with a large chunk of that > >crowd. And he did it anyway. He has all my respect and affection. > >Em > > Mine, too, and thanks, Em dear, but you got your Joni word-order > wrong! Tsk > tsk.....it's "....looking for affection and respect, a little > passion...." > > > > Love, > > Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Oh, Carey, put out the guest towels . . . njc I am having houseguests this week from Amsterdam (NY) and Rome (NY)! Sorry, but I had to tell someone who'd understand, and you all fit the bill. --Smurf . - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:48:29 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? A few more: Janis Joplin, Johnny Cash, Wanda Jackson, Christina Amphlett (of The Divinyls), Melissa Etheridge... ;-) XXXOOO, Billy ================================= > lrfye58@gmail.com (Lori) wrote: > > >Ya know, someone should put together a "Gravelly Voices" concert featuring > >singers who sing like that. > > > >Who else would be on the bill? Ummmmm, Joni????????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:53:24 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: bell peppers, soybeans njc Fresh Soybeans If you get a chance to get some fresh soybeans this season try and get some (the field next to my house has soybeans in it this year). I don't know a lot about fresh soybeans. . but they are meaty. . yum, yum, yum . . . I just steam them and then peel the outer skin and then eat the bean (with butter and salt). They are so meaty that they may convert you to being a vegetarian. . . you may say, "why eat a dead animal when I can eat this. . " yum, it's good. . (the fresh ones) LOve Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Em Seem to recall having olives like that in Greek restaurants I used to go to in Germany, too. Then the green ones we had were also big, but somewhat firmer. I like these better. Almost like eating meat, rather than a veggie. _________________________________________________________________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.336065~-109.392273&style=r&lvl=4&scene=3712634&trfc=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:08:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? Well, if we're gonna put them on tour they probably need to be alive. I would guess that every corpse out there has a gravelly voice. Bob NP: live music from Mogwai - weird. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Just had a stuffed green > pepper for lunch a week or so ago. _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: where and how do you listen?? njc was wondering if some of you wouldn't mind sharing the ways (or the main one way) that you mostly listen to music. Or, the way that pleases you most. Here's what I'm wondering: do you sit down SPECIFICALLY to listen? Like in a big stuffed chair or whatever? what do you focus your eyes on? are you looking at stuff, or do you close your eyes so as to concentrate better? What kind of thing do you sit on? Are you listening to a regular "stereo"..components and 2 speakers? or a boom box? or an ipod type thing? In that flick "All We are Saying", I forget who said it - someone said that iPods are kind of the flourescent light of music listening. Cheap, crummy I guess he is saying. Not sure I agree, but whatever... I'm kind of in a wierd place with this........listening for the sake of listening has turned into a bit of a problem. Basically because I'll sit there and get kind of wasted (drink in hand). Which seemed to used to be OK. But now I'd rather not....so I try to listen to music *while* I'm doing something else, which sometimes can be really good, but which other times can seem really shallow. Sometimes it does the music a disservice. Thinking of the old ad for some tape (Memorex?), where the guy is sitting in that Wassily chair and the wind (the great sounding music, presumeably) is blowing him away. Is that how you listen? thx, sorry if this is too out there to discuss, Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:20:55 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: bell peppers, njc he he he . . LOL - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Smurf Marianne wrote: << I love stuffed peppers. anyone have a simple recipe? >> Here's the simplest one I can think of, Marianne: Take one pepper Stuff it XO, --Smurf PS: I couldn't resist! . - --------------------------------- Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail shows you when there are new messages. _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: bell peppers, njc Marianne wrote: << I love stuffed peppers. anyone have a simple recipe? >> Here's the simplest one I can think of, Marianne: Take one pepper Stuff it XO, --Smurf PS: I couldn't resist! . - --------------------------------- Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail shows you when there are new messages. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:44:35 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? YEAH, Bob--I actually considered that...and then decided, "what the heck." Forgetting about the "tour" technicality...and just thinking of gravelly voices in general--both past and present. XXXOOO, Billy ================================= Muller wrote (in response): > Well, if we're gonna put them on tour, they (I'd mentioned Janis Joplin and > Johnny Cash) probably need to be alive... > Bob =============================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:16:57 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - NJC You're RIGHT, Lori--it certainly IS. :-D Some of us have good taste in music, and some of us obviously don't (LOL)! XXXOOO, Billy ================================ Lori (lrfye58@gmail.com) wrote: > That's just a matter of different tastes. I love Tina, can barely stand to > hear Joe -- but then, I can't stand to hear Bob Dylan "sing," either > (although I definitely respect his songwriting abilities). > > Ducking, > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ============================= I'd (wtking59@cs.com) written: And as far as Joe Cocker is concerned, I'd rather see him ANY day of the week at his absolute worst than I would Tina Turner at her best. If I'm not mistaken, he's received some of the best reviews of his life for touring in recent years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:39:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: bell peppers, njc 3 large green or yellow peppers cut in half longways(CLEAN OUT THE SEEDS) lol 1package of ground beef, chicken or turkey (about a pound +) 1onion 1 cup of cooked or minute rice 1/2 cup seasoned breadcrumbs 1 egg 1 large can of tomato sauce salt & pepper to taste pinch of parsley 1/2 tsp. paprika 1 cup of shredded cheddar cheese (optional) dice up 1/2 onion while rice is cooking In large mixing bowl combine raw meat mixture, seasonings, egg, & breadcrumbs. When rice has cooled off a bit, add to mixture along with 1/2 cup of the cheddar cheese and approx. 1/2 cup of the tomato sauce. In a large deep covered casserole dish, line the bottom with a little extra virgin olive oil.(this helps to cook your peppers) Start stuffing your peppers evenly and line them up in your dish. It's OK to leave a mound over the pepper. Once all your peppers are stuffed and placed in your pan, pour the remaining tomato sauce right over your stuffed peppers. Sprinkle the remaining shredded cheddar cheese on top of the peppers and cover. I find a covered dish works best as it hastens the cooking time and helps with the bubble over of liquids. Hint: I also place a sheet of tin foil on the rack underneath for quick cleanup. Cook in a preheated 375 degree oven for a good hour and a half. I remove the lid about 15 min. prior to total cooking time to bake the cheese (yummy) Lemme know how they come out. Rosie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:07:44 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Wanda Jackson et al NJC From: <<< A few more: Janis Joplin, Johnny Cash, Wanda Jackson, Christina Amphlett (of The Divinyls), Melissa Etheridge... ;-) >>> I actually got to see Wanda Jackson perform live a couple of years ago. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland did a special commemorative show "Rave On: The Life and Music of Buddy Holly" which included Wanda Jackson among others. She actually sounded really good, I was surprised. here is a write-up from the show: <<< As a light snow fell Feb. 3, 1959, a single-engine plane crashed in a field outside Clear Lake, Iowa. The tragedy took the lives of Buddy Holly and Winter Dance Party tour co-headliners Ritchie Valens and J.P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson, as well as pilot Roger Peterson. Nearly 45 years after "the day the music died" (as singer-songwriter Don McLean put it), Holly's trailblazing brand of rock 'n' roll came alive again last night at the Cleveland Play House's Drury Theater, where John Mellencamp, Marshall Crenshaw, Nanci Griffith and other top musical talents performed in honor of the late 1950s superstar. Outside, a light snow fell. The sold-out tribute concert was the climax of "Rave On: The Life and Music of Buddy Holly," the eighth installment of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum's annual American Music Masters series. Holly was one of the first performers inducted into the Rock Hall. Mellencamp rocked the 500-strong crowd toward the end of the evening with spirited stabs at two of Holly's best-known anthems, "Rave On" and "Not Fade Away". Crenshaw, who portrayed Holly in the 1987 film "La Bamba," revisited "Reminiscing" and the B-side "I'm Looking for Someone to Love." Griffith delivered "Tell Me How" and "Well . . . All Right" with an authentic Texas drawl. She also emceed the show with Terry Stewart, the Rock Hall's president and CEO. Griffith and Stewart had to fill in at the last minute for the Bacon Brothers - Kevin and Michael - whose flight to Cleveland was canceled because of an East Coast snowstorm. Joe Ely and Jimmie Dale Gilmore, both of whom grew up in Holly's hometown of Lubbock, Texas, kicked off the proceedings with a sublimely harmonized take on Holly's first recording, "Blue Days, Black Nights". Kevin Montgomery, son of former Holly bandmate Bob Montgomery, did right by "Heartbeat" and "Flower of My Heart." Bill Pinkney and the Drifters (who once toured with Holly) earned a standing ovation for their elegant renditions of a Holly classic ("Raining in My Heart") and a holiday classic ("White Christmas"). Other Holly hits got a breath of fresh air from the Raveonettes ("Wishing" and "It's So Easy"), Lenny Kaye ("Maybe Baby" and a semi-punk version of "Everyday") and rockabilly dynamo Wanda Jackson ("Oh, Boy!") Holly's widow, Maria Elena Holly, introduced Buddy Holly imitator John Mueller, whose reproductions of "Peggy Sue," "True Love Ways" and "Ready Teddy" were on the money, if slightly unsettling. The house band was led by ace guitarist Tommy Allsup, who backed Holly on his final tour. Allsup lost his seat on the doomed 1959 flight to Valens in a coin toss. The entire ensemble brought the 2=-hour concert to a close with a rousing encore of Holly's first No. 1 smash, "That'll Be the Day". Before they sang Holly's songs, many of the performers sang his praises earlier in the day during a conference at Case Western Reserve University. Holly was simultaneously "ordinary and immortal," said music critic Greil Marcus, the conference's keynote speaker. He likened the bespectacled icon to "a guy you passed in the hall of your high school every day." Holly "shied away from the violence implicit in rock 'n' roll," Marcus said. "Buddy Holly's almost frightening sincerity was cut with playfulness." The festivities marked a fine return to form for American Music Masters. After sub-par events in 2001 and 2002, the rave-worthy Holly hoopla got the Rock Hall series back on track. >>> This show was awesome! I had second row seats in a 500 seat venue and got to see some of my favorite performers at a pre-show cocktail party similar to the one for Carnegie Hall. I really enjoyed Joe Ely and Jimmy Dale Gilmour (whom I adore anyway) playing with Tommy Alsup (who is currently playing in Australia and I got to kiss). Kevin Montgomery was a highlight for me, he's the son of Bob Montgomery, original cricket and co-writer of a lot of the music Buddy Holly recorded. Kevin is currently touring and doing "house-concerts" around the world as well as having his videos played on GAC. Check him out... he is a really nice guy and has the best eyes I've looked into in years. Thank you for bearing with me on my little jaunt down memory lane this morning. Warmly, Cassy NPIMH: Mellencamp Live - Not Fade Away ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:18:57 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Derek Trucks, then music-related absences from work Victor wrote: Derek Trucks totally rocked last night w/ the Allman Brothers. His playing was unreal, unworldly, just fecking incredible!!!!! And last time I checked he was in his 20's.... There are new artists out there....you just can't rely on the traditional venues to find them. But they are out there, under the radar. I love me some Sonya Kitchell!!! Victor, sleepy and having to get up to go to a stupid meeting at work - ---------------- Yes, yes, yes! Derek Trucks is a Wunderkind! I'm so glad you got to go. I saw him w/ the Allman Brothers last week and I'll write about that when time and good fortune allow. But just at *this* moment of the world, let me say that I'm sorry you had to get up and go to a stupid work meeting. There should be a law! "Rules and regulations" -- sometimes you DO need them! What's that law, Family Medical Leave Act or something? Let me go to our HR website and see...... Yes, here it is: I REQUEST A FMLA LEAVE OF ABSENCE WITHOUT PAY FROM MY POSITION FOR THE PERIOD _____________ TO ______________. TYPE OF LEAVE REQUESTED (Check one): _____ Birth of a child _____ Adoption of a child _____ Medical leave for self _____ Serious illness of a ____ child, ____ spouse or ____ parent ********************************* We could change it to: I request a M-RA (music-related absence) WITH pay from my position for the period ___________ to ____________. TYPE OF LEAVE REQUESTED (Check one): ____ Late arrival #1 (must order tickets at 10 a.m. or I'll get lousy seats) _____ Full day off (must process/relish and recover from a concert the night before) _____ Full week off (must attend a Joni Fest, Tribute, folk festival in GA, etc.) ____ Late arrival #2 (read a particlarly inspiring JMDL post in the morning and just HAD to reply) ____ Early dismissal (must leave work early to attend a concert) ____ Other (and you know, there may be more!) Name of singer/songwriter/musician:________________________________ ********************** What do you think? Maybe I'll give HR a call. Do you think they'll understand the Jonidiomatic logic that goes on in my head? Laughing it all away, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:03:22 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: where and how do you listen?? From: "Em" <<< Here's what I'm wondering: do you sit down SPECIFICALLY to listen? Like in a big stuffed chair or whatever? what do you focus your eyes on? are you looking at stuff, or do you close your eyes so as to concentrate better? What kind of thing do you sit on? Are you listening to a regular "stereo"..components and 2 speakers? or a boom box? or an ipod type thing? In that flick "All We are Saying", I forget who said it - someone said that iPods are kind of the flourescent light of music listening. Cheap, crummy I guess he is saying. Not sure I agree, but whatever... >>> I think he meant something completely different, Em. Looking at something in daylight, incandescent bulb light and fluorescent light gives one a completely different perspective on an object which hasn't moved at all, fluorescent being the most recent of the three light-types. iPods are the latest, greatest thing to hit music technology and have revolutionized how people listen to their music. It's the same music but a whole new way of listening. If you'd asked me three years ago how I listen to music my answer would have been completely different than it is today. If you'd asked me 10 years ago... again it would have been completely different. I listen to different music in different ways, I guess. Listening to Joni is something I reserve (mostly) for being alone. I like to sing along with Joni, I think most of us in this group like to do that. Picture this: I have the house to myself, I put a Joni CD in the player and stand directly in front of my entertainment unit, one speaker on each side of me. I start the CD and imagine I'm up on stage with the best musicians of the day playing back up, sometimes I close my eyes, sometimes I don't but it's easier to imagine with them closed. I move, I dance, I sing my heart out - not anything like I'd do if anyone were witness to my little "performance". I completely lose myself in the music. I do this when I'm alone in the car too (eyes open of course), I'm sure people driving along side me enjoy the spectacle. I listen to classical music and the occasional opera on Sunday mornings with my coffee and newspaper. nothing to sing along with because I don't understand most of the foreign languages anyway. Once in a while I'll sit and close my eyes for a beautiful aria. Sundays I usually need a jump start and I find Bach's violin Concertos in D minor wakes me right up and puts me in a really good mood to tackle the rest of the week. When I feel like the world is pressing in on me, bills are piling up, my son is being defiant and argumentative I handle it in two different ways... first I put on something really angry like the Sex Pistols and allow myself to vent to the wall as I move my body to release my anger, dancing, pumping my fist in the air, pretending I'm a teenager again myself letting the music speak for me as I wish I were in a mosh-pit. The second way I handle that is to lock myself in my bedroom and listen to moody music, Billy Holiday or perhaps Susan Tedeschi's song Just Won't Burn, over and over again. I like to play Joni's "Blue" or Bonnie Raitt's "My First Night Alone Without You" or Roy Buchanan's "Sweet Dreams - The anthology". It all seems to be directly related to how blue I feel or how upset I am and over what. Most of the time, now, when I'm moving around the house doing my chores or just hanging out on the deck in the nice weather, I put my iPod on shuffle and knowing that there's nothing on there that I don't like I let the technology take over and dictate my listening order. The combinations never cease to amaze me but it's always exciting and fresh because I never know what's coming next but it's always something I really like. As I said, the iPod has revolutionized my listening habits. I have a little gizmo called an iTrip too that allows me to let the iPod play into any radio handy. I set it for a station that's empty and it transmits to the receiver and comes out of the speakers for the receiver. It's awesome, I can do it in the car too. I have certain music for bedroom activities too... let's not go into what I do along with the music there, let's just say I like to listen to Luther Vandross, Deep Forest, Lenny Kravitz, Marvin Gaye and a deluge of other music with a good groove. I like to listen to Native American music there too, Professor Trance and the Energizers "Shaman's Breath" is awesome bedroom music as is Beck's "Guero". I guess if one is being melancholy about how one's listening habits have changed from pure enjoyment to having to multi-task and juggle listening with other activities it can be a bit daunting sometimes but honestly, I like to knit and I'll sit and knit to keep my hands busy while I'm listening and singing along, or humming along. When I have time, I find I enjoy exploring on Amazon.com to find new music I enjoy too. I look up CDs I own and love there and look to see what people who bought that CD are also buying, then I go listen to the snippets to see if it's something I enjoy too. I read the post from Andeemac2006 and thought to myself "where has this person been listening?" There's a lot of really good new music around if one opens up one's mind and ears. For me, the bottom line is there is no definitive way to describe how I listen to music. Gone are the days of being young enough to just enjoy doing nothing while I learn the lyrics to my favorite songs... lying on the floor on my belly poring over the album cover lyrics... well once in a while I still do that. Warmly, Cassy NP: Missing - Beck (from Guero... a great song) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:03:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers Fred Hubers wrote:That India Aries was brilliant and presumably he thinks she is a worthy of comparison with Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, Paul Simon, Roberta Flack, Aretha Franklin, or Whitney Houston and on and on indeed. Im sorry good she is, you see India Aires is good for 2006 but not so amazingly brilliant to warrant her being singled out above all other singers in her Genre. I can switch the Radio on in the car or at home and hear singers singing as good as her, and her songs if she does write them, will not be rememberd in 20 years time Like Paul Simon or Steve Wonder.You see this is my point some people are reduced to saying she is wonderfull, leaving out the For 2006!Aretha Franklin she aint. And yes this is what I hope for is an artist of MEGA star quality coming through, who can write Memorable songs of true Melody and have a Voice you can lose your self in when you listen to her or him, I expect to much ??? well People just dont seem to get there heads round the fact that in the 70's especially, the amount of star quality artists breaking through into popularity was staggering, to the point where (what would be termed now) New Classic Albums were being released every month, one month after another, like these. :--- 1. Stevie Wonder 2. Led Zeppelin 3. Elton John 4. Pink Floyd 5. Rolling Stones 6. The Eagles 7. Marvin Gaye 8. Queen 9. James Brown 10. The Who 11. Black Sabbath 12. Aretha Franklin 13. David Bowie 14. Paul McCartney/Wings 15. Parliment/Funkadelic 16. The Isley Brothers 17. Fleetwood Mac 18. John Lennon 19. Bee Gees 20. Chicago 21. Bob Marley 22. Jackson Five 23. Earth, Wind & Fire 24. Al Green 25. Bruce Springsteen 26. KISS 27. The Clash 28. Curtis Mayfield 29. Lynyrd Skynyrd 30. Eric Clapton/Derek & the Dominos 31. Alice Cooper 32. Gladys Knight & The Pips 33. Allman Brothers Band 34. Aerosmith 35. Neil Young 36. Bob Dylan 37. Rod Stewart 38. The O'Jays 39. The Ramones 40. Rush 41. Bob Seger 42. Steve Miller Band 43. Grateful Dead 44. The Beach Boys 45. George Harrison 46. Sly and the Family Stone 47. Elvis Presley 48. Deep Purple 49. Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young 50. Joni Mitchell 51. Peter Frampton 52. Bachman Turner Overdrive 53. Creedence Clearwater Revival 54. Three Dog Night 55. War 56. Temptations 57. Commodores 58. AC/DC 59. The Spinners 60. Billy Joel 61. Kool & The Gang 62. ZZ Top 63. Doobie Brothers 64. Emerson, Lake & Palmer 65. Jackson Browne 66. The Staple Singers 67. Yes 68. Boston 69. Barry White 70. Kinks 71. Jethro Tull 72. Santana 73. The Guess Who 74. Steely Dan 75. Sex Pistols 76. Moody Blues 77. Electric Light Orchestra 78. Bad Company 79. Grand Funk Railroad 80. Journey 81. Foreigner 82. James Taylor 83. The Chi-Lites 84. Rufus, featuring Chaka Khan 85. Kansas 86. Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes 87. Heart 88. Donna Summer 89. Linda Ronstadt 90. Paul Simon 91. The Doors 92. Iggy Pop 93. Styx 94. Van Morrison 95. Patti Smith 96. Lou Reed 97. Van Halen 98. Foghat 99. Ohio Players 100. TrafficDo you see what I mean ???? Is it expecting to much to have 10% of the quality of these artists breaking through and releasing Classic new CD's, well is it at the moment seemingly it is. And there is another 100 from where these came from http://www. digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists70s.htmlThe last wonderfull new CD i bought was Aerial from Kate Bush, sublime song writing. No Jazz, Soul, or R&B accents drowning the songs, just Kate Bushes supreme talent at writing wonderfull songs with great Melodys. as I said sorry to rant but the Best Slide Guitairists thread, backed up my Opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > Well, if we're gonna put them on tour they probably > need to be alive. I > would guess that every corpse out there has a > gravelly voice. > Definitely a grave-ly voice! Nyar-har-har! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: where and how do you listen?? ooooooooooooh, Cassy, thank you for that. Goooood to hear how you do this. Thanks for letting me peek into your world, if not directly into your bedroom activities. lol.... I think you would be fun to listen to music with. Or to be a fly on the wall while you listen. (yeah, voyeur here) You're right - there IS a lot of good new stuff. A couple weeks ago I bought the soundtrack to WEEDS and its just about the only thing on my work iTunes, so I've listened and listened and its really growing on me. Not that that music is all "new" per se, but its not of the classic rock "rut" I am trying to escape. I like visions of people doing their Sunday morning newspaper thing. I think lots of people come near "Joni-ness" during this. They attain a near Joni state of grace and quality of life. Appreciate the paintings smiling on the walls, etc. also, ok, I see what you are saying about the possible comparison of iPod to flourescent light simply meaning seeing or hearing things "differently" in a different light or illuminated by a diff type of source....but I guess it's just that flourescent light is usually so unattractive and good only for the cheapest of applications (and growing marijuana, I hear). Wish he could have compared the iPod to, say, a mini-halogen. lol....but you know what?? It doesn't matter. :) thx again for playing... Em - --- Cassy wrote: > > I think he meant something completely different, Em. Looking at > something > in daylight, incandescent bulb light and fluorescent light gives one > a > completely different perspective on an object which hasn't moved at > all, > fluorescent being the most recent of the three light-types. iPods > are the > latest, greatest thing to hit music technology and have > revolutionized how > people listen to their music. It's the same music but a whole new > way of > listening. > > If you'd asked me three years ago how I listen to music my answer > would have > been completely different than it is today. ...snip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers How'd Whitney Houston get in that list? Its like one of those tests: "which object does not belong in this set". Em - --- Andeemac2006 wrote: > Fred Hubers wrote:That India Aries was > brilliant > and presumably he thinks she is a worthy of comparison with Bruce > Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, Paul Simon, Roberta Flack, Aretha > Franklin, > or Whitney Houston and on and on indeed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:04:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? Definitely a grave-ly voice! Nyar-har-har!> (Rimshot) And when she sings "take another little piece of my heart" she adds "hell, take whatever you like!" (Another rimshot) Bob NP: The Doors, "You're Lost Little Girl" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Derek was technically fine but there may as well have been a brick wall between him and the audience. No interaction whatsoever - - he didn't even act like he was enjoying himself; rather he acted like he was doing his job and was about as exciting as watching an accountant posting payments. I left about an hour into the show. Bob NP: Brian Eno & John Cale, "One Word" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:23:41 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andeemac2006" <<< sorry to rant but the Best Slide Guitairists thread, backed up my Opinion. >>> It's all a matter of personal taste really but "Let's Do Time Warp Again" isn't my style at all. I enjoy some of the bands you listed but I also listen to more modern sounds too. As I mentioned in my post on where and how I listen what and how I listen depends on my mood and where I am in my life. I think Dave Matthews is brilliant, he's a newer artist and Lenny Kravitz really caught my attention when he released "Let Love Rule" (OK so maybe that's 17 years ago now but he's still releasing great music). Susan Tedeschi is awesome AND she can play guitar arguably to rival Bonnie Raitt. Sonya Kitchell is an up and coming young talent as is Joss Stone, Alicia Keyes and India Arie. Beck continues to reinvent himself and U2's 2004 release "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" is the best thing they've done in years. Willy Porter is someone on the newer side and his guitar work on "Road Bone" from "Falling Forward" rivals anything I've ever heard anyone do. Drive By Truckers are really fun to listen to and are extremely talented... damn I could go on and on but when someone has made up their mind to close their ears to anything that's not 20+ years old or "classic rock" who am I to try to change their minds? Classic Rock is Classic rock... it's a genre all on it's own there was a time and place for it and it can never be reinvented. The "classics" of today won't be "classic" for 20 more years and you're letting that pass you by not keeping your mind and your ears open. Cassy NP: Robbie Robertson - Words of Fire, Deeds of Blood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Gravelly Voices Tour? - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Definitely a grave-ly voice! Nyar-har-har!> > > (Rimshot) > > And when she sings "take another little piece of my > heart" she adds "hell, > take whatever you like!" > > (Another rimshot) > > Bob One thing I love about the Joni list: no matter how intelligent the people seem to be, they're never above appreciating a little stooooopid humour! P.S. I always thought these lyrics were very odd: "I left my heart in San Francisco High on a hill, it calls to me." Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:45:06 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: NJC Tom Waits in Asheville >>...16. Peter Rowan The Freightroom Decatur, Georgia twice in the late '90s. Peter Rowan in a small acoustic cafe? The more intimate the setting the better in my opinion.<< I saw Peter Rowan play with Flaco Jimenez in a small venue in (old north) Wales in the 80s. He seemed a little lost Anglo among the Texicans but his 'Free Mexican Airforce' was and is a great song and a great time was had by all when the public shuffled out and we (my friend was the barman at the pub) shuffled into the bar, emerging 6 hours later with the sun coming up. Thanks, Victor for the memory. mike in bcn np Coleman Hawkins - Hollywood Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:53:09 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: where and how do you listen?? njc If I had my druthers, I'd spend more time in my stuffed chair listening to music - I do enjoy that, sometimes I'm spinning music while I'm reading, or sometimes I just sit and look out the window or stretch out on the sofa with my eyes shut and really focus on the music. I'm typically always playing music while on the computer - I have a lot of stuff ripped to my hard drive(s), and I check out Pandora and RadioParadise from time to time too. I find that I do most of my serious listening in the car - I can surround myself with the sound and pick up on lyrics better. Plus, lots of music that I like just sounds better when you're in motion. Bob NP: Ani, "Whatall Is Nice" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:30:16 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Israel, njc >>On my way to Spain so won't have internet till Wednesday<< Hi Laurent, Spain has internet now ;-) mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:40:22 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: njc, Derek Trucks, then music-related absences from work I've found that Derek really comes through better when he's playing with the Allman Brothers...maybe he brings a much needed youthfulness to them. He is naturally not very communicative with the audience apart from just playing his guitar. For some reason, when he plays with Warren Haynes and the others, the songs seem to bring out his best qualities and he really tends to shine. His band is good but they don't grip me in the same way. In all honesty, I thought the show on Sunday had a bit of weird vibe to it. I don't know if they were just tired or what but the entire set seemed a bit more mellow than usual, their songs seemed to lean particularly towards the blues, and they never really got jamming really heavily till the end with Mountain Jam. There were some very nice moments, to be sure, but in general, the intensity was not as strong as some other times I've seen them. Victor On Aug 22, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > to go. I > saw him w/ the Allman Brothers last week and I'll write about that > when time > and good fortune allow.> > > Your experience must have been better than mine - I saw the DT Band > at the Handlebar earlier this year and the ingredients were ripe > for a spectacular night; a sell-out crowd in an intimate and > acoustically excellent venue. Derek was technically fine but there > may as well have been a brick wall between him and the audience. No > interaction whatsoever - he didn't even act like he was enjoying > himself; rather he acted like he was doing his job and was about as > exciting as watching an accountant posting payments. > > I left about an hour into the show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: where and how do you listen?? njc - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I find that I do most of my serious listening in the > car - I can surround > myself with the sound and pick up on lyrics better. > Plus, lots of music > that I like just sounds better when you're in > motion. > That's what I miss most about not having a car. I used to listen to music in the car and it was best if the kids weren't with me because, if they were, they'd complain about my music and want to listen to theirs. Which was OK for a while, since most of their music, I don't mind and a lot of it, I even like. But listening to the 10th replay of Alexisonfire's screamo is a bit hard on the ears and nerves. I started listening to my music station on yahoo at work, but something always seems to screw up on it. And then, there's people that have the NERVE to phone me or come into my office wanting something, when all I want to do is listen to music, dammit! And then I have to turn it down low enough that it doesn't disturb the grouchier ones, which means I can barely hear it myself. I prefer to pay attention to music when I listen anyway. The car was a good place for that, since I could listen to it, but still concentrate on driving, but also sing along without anyone laughing at me or screaming at me to shaddap. I can't listen to music and read at the same time, unless it's just instrumental music and fairly innocuous. Lately, trying to listen to the music *I* like has become a bit difficult and I will need to put a lock on my door so the kids won't be at me for something, usually money, but occasionally, "He did this" or "She said that", which you'd think they'd have outgrown by now, but noooooo.... The girl needs to go into residence for college and the boy? He needs to join an after-school club of some kind. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:57:42 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2006 #295 NJC Wow, so many food posts in this digest that I began to think I had stumbled onto the Joni Mitchell Dining List. Hello everyone. I've been meaning to post for some time now, but time and blah, blah (insert the usual excuses here) have kept me from communicating. For those who have joined in the last while, let me just say that it's great to peek and lurk and see new names, new energy, new theories, new (more blanks for you to fill in). I joined in January of 1998 and have tremendously enjoyed the friends I've made along the way. I made those friendships mostly through the Jonifests, which leads me to the reason I've been meaning to post. Ashara announced another one of the 'fests that she is appropriately famous for organizing. I was in on the first Ashara-organized 'fest (not the first fest, mind you, as Julie Z. Webb was the first to be brave enough to throw her doors open to a bunch of JMDLrs) and was in charge of food for the fall of 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 Jonifests here in New England. What great times, and I thoroughly enjoyed cooking and (as it got bigger and I got smarter) shopping, ordering and serving at each one of those gatherings. Then we moved to Full Moon Resort and I got to get out of the kitchen...what a blast. My advice to anyone who has NOT been to a Jonifest, whether in the U.S.A. in Pittsburgh, Topsfield, New Orleans, or in England or France is to take a chance on the time of your life and go! You'll meet loads of special people. Some you'll feel an instant connection to and know you'll love for the remainder of your days, others will grown on you, others will be there for others to enjoy, and it doesn't matter. There's something for everyone, and it all starts with the music. Oh, and the hugs. Definitely the hugs. Biiiiiiiiig hugs. Chances are I will not be able to come to this one - although Ashara swears there will be a miracle of some sort - so that means that Mingus and Muller are safe from my "naggie Maggie" pitch for buying raffle tickets. So, come out, come out wherever you are - you won't regret it. Now that I've established my food credentials (well, sort of) I have this to say about olives and peppers: there are many, many different kinds of olives from all over the world, as there are many different olive oils. When I was growing up in the bad old days of the 50s and 60s before we had a world economy and could get things like olives and extra-virgin olive oil from a certain farm in a certain village in a region of the south of France, for example, I thought those awful things that came in cans and were packed in water were olives. No! Those are an abomination (I feel strongly about food) and anyone who ate those and decided they hated olives should be commended. Go to an Italian neighborhood of your closest city and get the little shop keeper to turn you on to the wonderful world of olives. Or go to Whole Foods Market and go to the big shop keeper. Better the former, though. As for peppers, what Hell said...green peppers are not ripe, which is one reason they are cheaper than red peppers...reds have to stay on the plant longer. I love roasted red peppers, don't like green, and like the rainbowey quality of yellow and orange peppers. I could live in a place that only had red, though. Maggie NP: Aimee Mann - Invisible Ink Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:29:02 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Bell peppers, a stupid question, njc On 20 Aug 2006, at 02:27, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > I think black olives taste different from green olives. To me, the > green > ones are one-dimensional, just a salt flavor, while the black ones > are more > complex, like walnuts. Man, you're so getting the wrong olives! There's such a huge variety to be had in both black and green, large and small, stuffed or not stuffed, and so on. > So my question is this: Do all bell pepper taste alike? Red, > green, and > yellow all have the same texture and slightly citrus flavor, right? Texture wise they're all the same. The yellow and orange ones tend to be less bitter than the red and green ones IMHO. Doesn't stop me disliking them all though... The only exception are the Mediterranean ones: smaller, thinner skinned and much sweeter. Those are almost nice ;) - - --Chris chrisATstryngs.com http://www.stryngs.com/ http://www.myspace.com/stryngs "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:59:33 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: bell peppers, njc Hello Jim, : -) I always thought the red bell peppers tasted better than the green. . . sweeter. . I love peppers. . . but, now that you mention it. . I think I had better do a blindfold test. (I tasted some cute little orange tomatos this week and I thought they were great.) olives walnuts peppers red peppers orange tomatos XOXO Marianne - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:02:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bell peppers, njc The red ones are generally sweeter than the green. Also, here, at least, more expensive. I'm not sure about the yellow ones. I'm not a big fan of peppers. I think I have trouble digesting them (cucumbers as well - - - can't eat them!) Most of the olives that we get here are pretty awful. They come in cans or bottles and were probably canned or bottled years ago. Certainly they taste that way. The ones we had in France last year at Jonifest were amazingly good. I never cared much for olives before, but prefer the black ones to the green (the ones we get here - the green ones in France were excellent). They seem to keep coming up with new fruits and vegetables, or new varieties. How many kinds and sizes of tomatoes are there? What I don't like is that many of them look really nice, but taste very bland. You're always better off getting local produce, picked ASAP before being eaten. Farmers' market stuff is best, unless you can grow your own. I know I don't eat enough vegetables. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: bell peppers, njc we always had the GOOD olives out as an appetizer for Christmas Eve. I guess the old folks liked them. I think I was the only one of the kid generation that liked them. We got them in paper containers wrapped in wax paper at the Italian/Cuban/Spanish food store. The big black ones we got were REAL soft, I guess they'd been soaked in some kind of stuff that made them that way. Seem to recall having olives like that in Greek restaurants I used to go to in Germany, too. Then the green ones we had were also big, but somewhat firmer. I like these better. Almost like eating meat, rather than a veggie. One time somebody I think by accident, got some with these big salt crystals all over them. Fun stuff, but I'm glad no one had a stroke after all that salt. I will have to make a run to the Ital place someday and get some of those good greens. The grocery store ones are to real olives, what Wonder bread is to bakery bread. imho.:) Em - - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > The red ones are generally sweeter than the green. > Also, here, at least, more expensive. I'm not sure > about the yellow ones. I'm not a big fan of peppers. I > think I have trouble digesting them (cucumbers as well > - can't eat them!) > > Most of the olives that we get here are pretty awful. > They come in cans or bottles and were probably canned > or bottled years ago. Certainly they taste that way. > > The ones we had in France last year at Jonifest were > amazingly good. I never cared much for olives before, > but prefer the black ones to the green (the ones we > get here - the green ones in France were excellent). > > They seem to keep coming up with new fruits and > vegetables, or new varieties. How many kinds and sizes > of tomatoes are there? > > What I don't like is that many of them look really > nice, but taste very bland. You're always better off > getting local produce, picked ASAP before being eaten. > Farmers' market stuff is best, unless you can grow > your own. I know I don't eat enough vegetables. > > > --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > > Hello Jim, > > > > : -) > > > > I always thought the red bell peppers tasted better > > than the green. . . > > sweeter. . I love peppers. . . > > > > but, now that you mention it. . I think I had better > > do a blindfold test. > > > > (I tasted some cute little orange tomatos this week > > and I thought they were > > great.) > > > > olives > > walnuts > > peppers > > red peppers > > orange tomatos > > > > > > XOXO > > Marianne > > > > > > > Catherine > Toronto > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:15:06 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: bell peppers plus other stuff, njc Peppers and cucumbers repeat on me also, but I find the sweet ones (yellow and orange) more tolerable. I love to include them in my stirfry along with some fresh ginger, and other veggies. I love olives no matter what. I can't believe I'm posting about vegetables because I have so much to do! Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bell peppers plus other stuff, njc - - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I can't > believe I'm posting about vegetables because I have > so much to do! It's pathetic, isn't it? LOL. I can usually eat some of those veggies (peppers) as long as they're cooked. I don't think you can cook cucumber though, can you? I think it would turn bitter. Have a great trip! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: bell peppers, njc I love all colors of bell peppers, and yes, they have a different taste. Just had a stuffed green pepper for lunch a week or so ago. Peppers are a better source of vitamin C than orange juice (which I also love). Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Tonight and Forever" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:09:04 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: bell peppers, njc Bob wrote: > I love all colors of bell peppers, and yes, they > have a different taste. Just had a stuffed green > pepper for lunch a week or so ago. Just for the record, the yellow, orange and red bell peppers (called capsicums in my part of the world) are all varieties (cultivars) of the same species. The green ones are unripened which is why they taste less sweet and slightly more bitter. Personally I love the red and yellow ones in a salad, but dislike the green and don't like any if they're cooked... Hell - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:31:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: bell peppers, njc Wow, I hesitated to post on this topic at all but people have replied from around the world. Maybe next Saturday night I'll post on something equally strange like: Tomato: Bitter Fruit Or Sweet Vegetable? Nah... All the best, Jim L. - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #295 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #298 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------