From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 18 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 292 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: ABC Primetime - Colors (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] re: i'm addicted to youtube... NJC [mags h ] Joni Sheet Music [MattJones ] this is funny -- njc [Smurf ] Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Joni Content ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #291 [snapple1984@aol.com] Re: Joni's garden [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni Sheet Music ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Cocker Content -- njc [Smurf ] Re: need joni help ["Martin Giles" ] Re: need joni help [Em ] Re: need joni help ["Martin Giles" ] Re: synesthesia, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] njc, CSNY's Freedom of Speech 06 Tour ["Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: ABC Primetime - Colors (NJC) Hi dear friend Gary, I watched this special with great interest as this is something I have as well. I have color/music synesthesia like your dear Laura Gary, and now am even more honored remembering this. (I think you shared it with me before). I am on a discussion list with the expert they interviewed, Dr. Richard Cytowic. I'm glad they picked him because he truly is an expert in the field. Color/Music synesthetes are not as common as letter/number ones so Laura and I are in the minority in this community. Except for the actual experience when synesthesia happens, it's hard to relate to another color/music syn because everyone's colors are so entrenched and ingrained in their own minds. My first experience was before the age of five and it's still the exact same experience when I hear a song done in that particular key. They are quite right when they say that you carry the experience through your entire lifetime. When I was a teenager, I had a wonderful music instructor and vocal teacher who encouraged me to write music using the colors I was familar with. (Something told me she would understand) As a class project, I wrote a mini-musical using my colors to remember the key to each song. Even now, if I am writing a song away from a keyboard and I want to remember what key it's in, I jot down it's color. It seems that the synesthesia is also a pitch-aid and if I think of the color, I can sing the song in the right key every time. The colors never change. Gary, I think that is what Laura did as well. It used to be very hard to tell people because most people with synesthesia will tell you of a difficult childhood. When you run to your parent and gleefully shout, "that song is green!" and they just give you a strange look, you learn not to tell. It's not their fault because when you think about it, it really doesn't make sense. How can you hear color? Back in those days no one really knew a lot about it. It's good that there are specials like this on ABC that don't make us look crazy. They actually did an MRI on someone to show synesthesia in action. CBS 60 Minutes did a special a few years ago that to me, did us more harm than good. It put me in a deeper shell with telling people. Gary, I'm glad that Laura Nyro was the free soul that she was and that she spoke openly about her synesthesia at a time when it was not easily understood. It shows me the kind of person she was...a very brave, courageous and daring woman artistically. Just thinking about this deepens my respect for her! Love, Sherelle Gary wrote: I saw a snippet this morning on television about tonite's "ABC Primetime" regarding a subject called "synesthesia." People who have the "gift" of tasting and feeling colors, etc. A short blurb: Aug. 15, 2006 -- Imagine a world where the sound of music would make you see colors. Where the note B is sparkling silver and D flat is a wondrous, pure periwinkle. Where the taste of food has a distinctive shape and where the sound of words can leave a bad taste. Even the calendar -- days, months and years -- can generate specific 3-D images. If interested you can read the whole story here: http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2311762&page=1 The subject reminds me a lot of Laura Nyro, how she would often refer to different colors to describe a sound, etc. For example, playing in "dark blue..." Anyway, thought I'd pass this along. Sounds like an interesting show to me. Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:02:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: ABC Primetime - Colors (NJC) Hi Randy, Some do but it's primarily a "wiring" issue in my opinion. The two sensory nerve endings have to be crossed before it will happen. To me because it's totally involuntary, it's kind of like hitting a "pick three" number in the lottery to have color/music synesthesia and to be a musician too. It's not totally uncommon but it doesn't happen for every musician. I will tell you that it encouraged me to learn to play the piano by ear, especially major ninth chords. The song "Color My World" by Chicago was like musical manna from heaven to me. I couldn't get enough of it and I had to learn how to play it. The colors actually helped me learn. It's rumored that Billy Joel has it as well as Jill Scott. I don't know how true that is though. Sherelle Randy wrote: That's interesting, I've heard of it before- but unlike vision, I guess different people don't "see" the same colors for a given note...I wonder if artists have mild forms of this... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:25:46 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re:need joni help Em, Joni likes chords. She seeks out interesting suspensions, chords with in-common drone strings and chords that contain clusters of tightly spaced notes; these are easy on the piano but usually difficult on guitar to play unless you are Allan Holdsworth and can stretch your hand five or more frets. So Joni, undaunted, found she could in fact get the chords she liked on guitar if she retuned the tuners but kept her shapes to a small, easy to remember palette. Sometimes she does strum open strings with an open chord (Passion Play for ex), so your "friend" is partially correct, but mostly she has evolved the "Joni" shape library of 15-20 shapes which use 1-3 fingers and retunes the guitar in various ways to make them sound how she wants. As has been discussed before there is a downside to this. It is hard on the guitar neck to have the tension constantly changing. You either have to have lots of guitars or retune between each song (at least until Roland invented the VG8 digital processing unit that let's the retuning be in software instead of by knob turning. This invention kept her career going 6 more years after she had decided to quit in frustration after Turbulent Indigo). I hesitate to call playing in alternate tunings "genius": it's a practical solution to achieve a sound you are looking for and it is typical of a maverick artist like Joni to reinvent the canvas each time she paints (as David Crosby describes it). She in hindsight saw that it was it a "trap she built for herself". But it has definitely inspired later songwriters like David Wilcox and Jonatha Brooke to use the kind of lush chords in their writing that Joni pioneered for "folk" guitar. hope that helps, Dave Blackburn P.S my offer of the remastered DogEatDog CD/AAC download is still open if anyone else wants it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: re: i'm addicted to youtube... NJC wonderful Richard Flynn wrote: Here is YOUR video, Michael !! "I'm Addicted To YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sDyVAUb8xE omg this is hysterical....how many of us do this?? and then there's the laughing out loud at the screen, whilst no one else is home??? LOL... Mags - ----- what would bob marley do? - ----- Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: MattJones Subject: Joni Sheet Music Hello All! Matt in Athens, dilligently working away at the seemingly endless Joni thesis! In my research, I've made it up to the 80s, and I am experiencing a bit of a conflict. Without going into overwhelming detail (I'll save that for when I finish the thing and you all can read it! ), some issues arose dealing with Dog Eat Dog. I've been trying (in vain) to find a copy of the DED songbook, but the search has been fruitless. Does anyone out there possess the music? If so, please email me and let me know if you 1. own it and 2. would be willing to xerox copies and mail them to me. I would be more than willing to reimburse cost of copying and postage. Thank you in advance! And thank you ALL for your help over the past....4 years now???....and your patience and support on my project! Matt J Athens, GA rats live on no evil star - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: this is funny -- njc To see what right-wing nutjobs see when they read the NY Times, mouse over the headlines: http://rightwingnytimes.cf.huffingtonpost.com/ --Smurf - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:41:48 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Joni Content Michael in Quebec wrote, of Liza with a Z: > She seems to be desperately clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. That can be said of so many aging performers. I cringe when I see commercials like the one I saw last night, advertising Styx at some casino in Reno. COME ON, guys! Hang it up! If you've gone from playing stadiums to playing little nothing casinos, it's time to stop. (Some performers should stop even if they're playing "big something" casinos, as well.) Take up a hobby, or write a memoir, or sell insurance or something. But don't embarrass yourselves, and certainly don't ask people to pay money to hear you "sing." I may have complained about this before, but a few years ago my partner Mary and I saw Joe Cocker in DC. He opened for Tina Turner's final tour. We were both embarrassed for the guy; he was jumping up and down on stage, behaving like a buffoon. Note to Joe: Dude, it's long past time to STOP. Cassy wrote: > I wonder whether Joni's decision is that she doesn't want to be a parody of herself and try to recapture what once was. Personally, I think that's exactly it. And while I will miss the opportunity to see Joni perform live again (luckily, I did see her 3 times), I respect and even applaud her decision to retire from the stage -- and from recording, too. Joni has what many others do not: Grace. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:44:35 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni's garden I'm sure there are many of you who, like me, enjoy gardening, gardens and flowers. We have a modest flower garden out back, and I'm on the board of our local community garden. I always make a point to visit other gardens during my travels, and some places, like England, can even be garden destinations in themselves. However, I digress. A few years ago, a book came out showcasing some Hollywood gardens. It's called Secret Gardens of Hollywood and Private Oases in Los Angeles, by Erica Lennard and Adele Cygelman. I don't know what their connection to Joni is, but she let them profile her garden for the book, which I would like to share with you here. Joni's garden is basicaly a mediteranean-style shade garden. She prefers the look of wilder, slightly unkempt gardens to formal gardens. Her large, walled garden features a porticoed courtyard with a central fountain (the one in the Leibowitz portrait). A Budhist deity watches over her lap pool. There are various sitting areas, one features a patch of lawn and an old garden swing. Brick edging and paths give it a cottagey look. She breaks up the monotony of walls and boxiness by adding statuary, baskets, wallhangings and with features such as her Grotto of Gaudeloupe. A concrete roller skating strip is a hangover from the 70's. (She paved paradise ;) ??) She has a gardener named Richard. In her garden you'll see old camelias, gardenias, jasmine, ferns, fig trees, and many different types of succulents. The blue-grays and sage greens of Saskatchewan gardens are still the colours toward which she gravitates. Jacarandas, crepe myrtles, silk trees and palms shade the residence. Joni likes plants that attract hummingbirds, dragonflies and butterflies. ``Any flying, floating thing is auspicious, a joy bearer a magical messenger,``she says. ``In every myth, we are tenders of the gardens. Ancient cultures knew when to take and not, how to take and not, and they understood the custodianship of plants. My mother always had a sustenance garden. She would tell us that you don't need a psychiatrist if you have a garden. If I'm mad, I go pull weeds.`` ``It's hard to classify my garden,`` she says, ``I don't have that American perfection. It's nice when things get tumbly.`` Her garden remains an eternal work in progress - a sentiment with which I identify completely! You can see some photos by Erica Lennard here, although there are no photos of Joni herself. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B3214E160D99B99D http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A71BE5B9538972FF http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=62528A2E1F30E7A2 http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A4C05D3538CA5FF1 http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=0CAADBCB39196D63 http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E96769063CDA14CF Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:54:27 -0400 From: snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #291 I have loved everything musical and literate about Joni. I have loved much of her artwork (not all) and embraced her choices. If she chooses to be a visual artist and a grandmother at this time in her life, I have to accept that it is the right choice for her and not be churlish that she offers me nothing more for my ears. This is a point that troubles me. As an aspiring musician, I look to my idols for guidance. But most of those involved in the musical arts are also involved in the visual arts and I have never displayed any particular aptitude for or interest in the visual arts. Do you think one is possible without the other? I suppose the other aspects of your personality just inform the type of musician you become. Joni was a very visual, sensual musician, whereas Richard Farina for example was more of a clever, political sometimes philosophical musician. (Not that Joni is not philosophical, I was just referencing Richard Farina because I hope to be like him, a writer and a musician.) Kira Lesley Kira_Lesley@brown.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 3:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #291 JMDL Digest Friday, August 18 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 291 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Drugs on the road, njc [] Re: synesthesia [Snapple1984@aol.com] Re: unplugged night ride home video ["Fred Hubers" ] NJC Re: unplugged night ride home video [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Minnelli at the Outgames NjC [Jerry Notaro ] need joni help [Em ] Re: synesthesia NJC [Em ] RE : Re: Minnelli at the Outgames NjC [Joseph Palis ] Re: need joni help [Moni Kellermann ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:27:13 -0700 From: Subject: Drugs on the road, njc Lama and RR. You gave me some good chuckles today ;-) RR rapped: Elvis took 'em all for you and me "Elvis Was A Narc" - Pinkard & Bowden Haha! That's great! What a wayback on the memory time machine. Funnily enough, I had a high school friend who went with Sandy for years in the late 70s, early 80s and another high school friend who went with his bud Garland Frady (RIP). SoCal beachy girls who somehow ended up with a couple of Country legends. Go figure. ;-) Lama, I've been hearing about your family sailboat here from just about the time I joined the list in 1997. What a great accomplishment to have it all restored and up in running. I want a ride! Kakki (former Sea Scout sailing the Catalina Channel ;-) - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:06:48 EDT From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: synesthesia Hi there, Gary. I hadnn't seen who posted this on the Laura board but I knew it must be you when it popped up again on the Joni board :) I personally have alwyas found the strict division of the senses a bit jarring. I'll have to flesh this idea out more, but to me the body is far more connected than we think and not so compartmentalized. If you've ever had rose hip jam you know what it tastes like - it tastes how it smells. We already know the sense of taste and smell are connected - why not others? This probably has no scientific basis, it's just my ramblings. But this concept kind of goes along with my idea that most mental disorders are not really disorders but just different ways of experiencing the world. It's just a question of reframing your mind. My advisor just put out a book called "Scenting Salvation" about the sense of smell in ancient Christianity. I might do my thesis on something related to this. Hope all is going well and I hope to see you at a Jonifest in spring! - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:53:12 +0200 From: "Fred Hubers" Subject: Re: unplugged night ride home video Hi all, this video was shot when she was doing promotion for the Night Ride Home album. I remember seeing it on tv back then. She plays in Amsterdam for a Dutch unplugged tv-show called "Twee Meter Sessies". The guy at the end of the video is the presenter of that show, he's called Jan Douwe Kroeske. She played only one song, but it is a great moment in Dutch tv-history! It's nice to be of any help to you, Now back to lurkdom, Fred Hubers Netherlands - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:21:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: unplugged night ride home video Fred, thanks so much for filling in the blanks regarding this amazing video. I should have guessed that it was The Netherlands, the most beautiful and peaceful-feeling country I have ever seen. Bob NP: Godfrey Daniel, "Woodstock" - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Jerry > And now for something completely trivial, like, who cares, but has anyone > heard Liza singing live recently? Well, I saw the televised closing ceremony > of the Outgames which headlined Minnelli recently in Montreal. Ok, the woman > is now 60. Ok, she has put on a few pounds. But what happened to the voice ? > I recall a discussion here some while ago about Anita O'Day, who'd gone on > way too long past her expiry date. Well that day has arrived for Liza, I'm > sad to say. What I heard was just a pale (and broken) reflection of her > unique and powerful voice. The richness is gone, the agility is gone, and > there's no more strength behind it. All I could think is : what a shame, > what happened ? And there is no way I would pay good money to hear this > person sing. Still, she was a hit, the crowd loved her. She pulled out her > old tunes. But the magic is definitely gone. She seems to be desperately > clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. I'm not seeing comments > about this on the net. Just had to get this off my chest here. > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: need joni help what's a good, concise, preferably short webpage that describes the genius of Joni's guitar playing?? I am having to try and refute someone's stated opinion that she merely strums and plays open tunings so she won't have to make "chords". I know the genius of it, YOU all know the genius of it....but I need to give a more technical yet simple description. thanks! Em ps am at work so have no time to search much right now...just thought someone might know off the top of their head where such a thing exists...maybe on JMDL! lol...who'd a thunk it - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: synesthesia NJC that was one of the really neat things about acid, when it worked just right (which of course it didn't always). It connected all that stuff up. Yeah, its neat to hear colors or see music. Nice that it happens sometimes without drugs too. Em - - --- Snapple1984@aol.com wrote: > the body > is far more > connected than we think and not so compartmentalized. If you've ever > had rose hip > jam you know what it tastes like - it tastes how it smells. We > already know > the sense of taste and smell are connected - why not others? - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:53:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Minnelli at the Outgames NjC Jerry, I think I know this video you are talking about featuring Anita O'Day. Was it called "Jazz on a Summer Day?". O'Day was in this huge hat with feathers that must have accounted for half the egret population in the world. But when she scats, man, she is right there with the very best scat cats (Ella, Torme, Sarah, Louis). Speaking of Liza Minnelli, I bought her "Liza's Back" album in a used CD store because the reviews in the CD sleeves were gushing and somehow suggesting a second coming from this energetic talent. Since I own one Minnelli album called "Liza with a Z" and it shows a performer at her peak, singing vocally tricky songs like "I Got You", I thought "Liza's Back" would somehow be more of the same but with a more mature voice. After listening to this live recording, I didn't quite understand the raves for the album. The voice has this gravelly and hard-edged quality that makes it hard for me to listen to it without cringing. Most cringe-inducing of all is her medley of "Cry" songs where she was belting out the chorus of the song "Cry". It was really pathetic and sad. I am guessing that the live performance was tons better than the one captured on record, but this album is for hard-core fans only. I gave away my copy of this CD soon after. The same can be said of Lena Horne's 1994 live release called "An Evening With Lena Horne" which won that year's Grammy for best jazz vocal. I like Lena Horne a lot and the exciting possibilities of her voice, but the album is impossible for me to like. There were so many instances in the album where her voice sounded tired (fatigued even), pitchy and the tonal colorations were not executed well. I have several jazz vocals album I collected through the years and what those years of listening informed me is that intentional flattening of notes is possible (Sarah Vaughan, Ernestine Anderson and Dianne Reeves come to mind immediately) and even atonality (Linda Sharrock, Urszula Dudziak). That said, I think that sometimes when people review live albums, they were either actually there in the actual performance and experienced the magic of a live show more than those who are only hearing it on record. Or they are big fans of the artist who they feel cannot do wrong in their books. Or they just have different tastes than mine. But really, some singers should know the limitations of their voices and work around it. Eartha Kitt is one person who can work around her now-limited vocal range. And yes, I am one of the fans of latter-day Joni whose smoky voice she was able to use to convey drama without heavy emoting. Just my early two cents. Joseph in Chapel Hill (still tired from moving his stuff to his new place on the second floor with a pale view of the hills) Jerry Notaro a icrit : I saw her singing "live" recently and it was obviously taped. Her voice was gone long ago, though I must also add that I am a big fan of her. She needs to stop trying to sing like a 25 year old and celebrate the experience and maturity in her style. Speaking of Miss O'Day, I just watched the entire History of Rock and Roll DVD set and must say I was impressed with her place in music history. I remember seeing her on the video of the 1959 Newport Jazz Festival scatting away in this huge black hat and wondering who in the heck she was. Jerry > And now for something completely trivial, like, who cares, but has anyone > heard Liza singing live recently? Well, I saw the televised closing ceremony > of the Outgames which headlined Minnelli recently in Montreal. Ok, the woman > is now 60. Ok, she has put on a few pounds. But what happened to the voice ? > I recall a discussion here some while ago about Anita O'Day, who'd gone on > way too long past her expiry date. Well that day has arrived for Liza, I'm > sad to say. What I heard was just a pale (and broken) reflection of her > unique and powerful voice. The richness is gone, the agility is gone, and > there's no more strength behind it. All I could think is : what a shame, > what happened ? And there is no way I would pay good money to hear this > person sing. Still, she was a hit, the crowd loved her. She pulled out her > old tunes. But the magic is definitely gone. She seems to be desperately > clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. I'm not seeing comments > about this on the net. Just had to get this off my chest here. > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing - - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:22:38 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: Re: YOU TUBE I"M OBSESSED (NJC) Here is YOUR video, Michael !! "I'm Addicted To YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sDyVAUb8xE ~Richard p.s. That is one fabulous video of Music Rising Foundation/Preservationo Hall reopening ! Thanks! Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:41:12 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: YOU TUBE I"M OBSESSED (NJC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0wjLlTbSo Check out my good friend Clint Maedgen (from the bands Bingo and Liquidrone as well as The Preservation Hall Jazz Band) playing with The Edge from U2 during Jazzfest this year. He is an amazing talent. I think I told you guys about him hooking up with Tom Waits last year. I've lost my mind with the you tube thing. Somebody stop me I have work to do. Paz - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:40:11 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Joni Content - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O'Malley" <<< And now for something completely trivial, like, who cares, but has anyone heard Liza singing live recently? Well, I saw the televised closing ceremony of the Outgames which headlined Minnelli recently in Montreal. Ok, the woman is now 60. Ok, she has put on a few pounds. But what happened to the voice ? I recall a discussion here some while ago about Anita O'Day, who'd gone on way too long past her expiry date. Well that day has arrived for Liza, I'm sad to say. What I heard was just a pale (and broken) reflection of her unique and powerful voice. The richness is gone, the agility is gone, and there's no more strength behind it. All I could think is : what a shame, what happened ? And there is no way I would pay good money to hear this person sing. Still, she was a hit, the crowd loved her. She pulled out her old tunes. But the magic is definitely gone. She seems to be desperately clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. I'm not seeing comments about this on the net. Just had to get this off my chest here. >>> Reply From: "Jerry Notaro" <<< I saw her singing "live" recently and it was obviously taped. Her voice was gone long ago, though I must also add that I am a big fan of her. She needs to stop trying to sing like a 25 year old and celebrate the experience and maturity in her style. Speaking of Miss O'Day, I just watched the entire History of Rock and Roll DVD set and must say I was impressed with her place in music history. I remember seeing her on the video of the 1959 Newport Jazz Festival scatting away in this huge black hat and wondering who in the heck she was. >>> Now for the Joni content: We've been asking some time about "when is Joni going to sing/perform/record again?" and there has been much discussion about her lower registers and the fact that she can no longer reach the high-notes of her younger days. Some people are willing to embrace the older, more mature Joni and others want to cling to their child and criticize her for her smoke-ravaged vocal chords. It's a matter of personal preference, I know. Reading about Liza and the fact that she continues to perform and sing when she is long past her prime... perhaps even no longer has anything to offer as a vocalist is telling to me. I wonder whether Joni's decision is that she doesn't want to be a parody of herself and try to recapture what once was. Perhaps, like some prime athlete, she wants to go out on a positive note and not drag on for years and years deteriorating to the point where some people - particularly those who still label her as a "folkie" - make insulting comparisons. I have loved everything musical and literate about Joni. I have loved much of her artwork (not all) and embraced her choices. If she chooses to be a visual artist and a grandmother at this time in her life, I have to accept that it is the right choice for her and not be churlish that she offers me nothing more for my ears. She is a perfectionist and it's quite possible that she knows her limitations. I just can't see her having the stamina for a tour in support of a new audio release and frankly, the state of the music industry today, I can't see her having the patience or the energy to promote sales. Warmly, Cassy NP: Akon - Journey (My brother's latest project - ask me if you care) - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:22:29 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Drugs on the road, njc - - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > "Elvis Was A Narc" - Pinkard & Bowden > > Haha! That's great! What a wayback on the memory time machine. Funnily > enough, I had a high school friend who went with Sandy for years in the > late 70s, early 80s and another high school friend who went with his bud > Garland Frady (RIP). SoCal beachy girls who somehow ended up with a > couple of Country legends. Go figure. ;-) Cool-there's that six degrees thing again- > Lama, I've been hearing about your family sailboat here from just about > the time I joined the list in 1997. What a great accomplishment to have > it all restored and up in running. I want a ride! > > Kakki (former Sea Scout sailing the Catalina Channel ;-) Alright! We had the Sea Scouts in San Carlos on the SF bay though I wasn't a member-it looked like fun...Lama, happy (smooth) sailing! - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:51:01 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: need joni help Em schrieb: > what's a good, concise, preferably short webpage that describes the > genius of Joni's guitar playing?? I am having to try and refute > someone's stated opinion that she merely strums and plays open tunings > so she won't have to make "chords". I know this is something else than what you are looking for but I find this 1995 Guitar Player interview with JM very informative: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=119 moni - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #291 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's garden Thanks Michael for sharing the photos with us. I just LOVE Joni's home and gardens. It looks so tranquil. Rosie in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:26:40 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Joni Sheet Music Apparently there was none... I can't imagine that there won't be either.... On 18/08/06, MattJones wrote: > Hello All! > > Matt in Athens, dilligently working away at the seemingly endless Joni thesis! > > In my research, I've made it up to the 80s, and I am experiencing a bit of a conflict. Without going into overwhelming detail (I'll save that for when I finish the thing and you all can read it! ), some issues arose dealing with Dog Eat Dog. > > I've been trying (in vain) to find a copy of the DED songbook, but the search has been fruitless. Does anyone out there possess the music? If so, please email me and let me know if you 1. own it and 2. would be willing to xerox copies and mail them to me. I would be more than willing to reimburse cost of copying and postage. > > Thank you in advance! And thank you ALL for your help over the past....4 years now???....and your patience and support on my project! > > > Matt J > Athens, GA > > > rats live on no evil star > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Cocker Content -- njc About Joe Cocker, Lori wrote: << We were both embarrassed for the guy; he was jumping up and down on stage, behaving like a buffoon. >> And this performance differed from his earlier ones in what way? --Smurf NPIMH: John Belushi as Joe Cocker Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:13:09 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: unplugged night ride home (but NJC) On Friday, August 18, 2006, at 03:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > "Twee Meter Sessies" > .....has to be my all-time favorite name for a TV show, Dutch, or otherwise.....how would that translate into English? On second thought, don't tell us!. today's Red Sox vs. Yankees pitching matchup: .....Wang vs. Johnston (will explain that one to foreign friends, if necessary. The best imaginary headline I could come up with was 'Wang Outperforms Johnston in Testy Head-to-head Match-up'!) np in my head: The Waybacks, 'Petrified Man' ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's garden omg, its so gorgeous! very appealing. I'm so glad to see she doesn't like uptight gardens. Thank you for posting that. Em - --- Michael O'Malley wrote: > I'm sure there are many of you who, like me, enjoy gardening, gardens > and > flowers. ...snip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:31:46 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: need joni help I may have my facts muddled here, but I think that her tunings do help her with the left hand, as her fingers are weakened from the polio she had as a child. However .. Joni has a tremendously expressive touch when she strums. Just listen and watch as she plays 'Amelia' on the 'Shadows and Light' video/DVD. It's a mixture of plucking, strumming and tapping that combine to keep a subtle, but solid rhythm going, all the while enhancing and counterpointing her vocal. 'Merely strumming' is hardly an adequate description. If your acquaintance can't hear that, well I'm afraid the shortcoming is in the listener, not the player :0) Martin. > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Em > Subject: need joni help > > what's a good, concise, preferably short webpage that describes the > genius of Joni's guitar playing?? I am having to try and refute > someone's stated opinion that she merely strums and plays open tunings > so she won't have to make "chords". > I know the genius of it, YOU all know the genius of it....but I need to > give a more technical yet simple description. > thanks! > Em > ps am at work so have no time to search much right now...just thought > someone might know off the top of their head where such a thing > exists...maybe on JMDL! lol...who'd a thunk it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: need joni help Hi Martin, Plus early on, there was actual "picking", no?? am thinking of the STAS stuff. Em - --- Martin Giles wrote: > I may have my facts muddled here, but I think that her tunings do > help her > with the left hand, as her fingers are weakened from the polio she > had as a > child. However .. > > Joni has a tremendously expressive touch when she strums. Just listen > and > watch as she plays 'Amelia' on the 'Shadows and Light' video/DVD. > It's a > mixture of plucking, strumming and tapping that combine to keep a > subtle, > but solid rhythm going, all the while enhancing and counterpointing > her > vocal. 'Merely strumming' is hardly an adequate description. If your > acquaintance can't hear that, well I'm afraid the shortcoming is in > the > listener, not the player :0) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 01:07:16 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: need joni help Absolutely. 'Cactus Tree' springs to mind as a full on picker. I don't know why she dropped the picking style after a while. I'm sure someone else has the gen on that. I took a look at the myspace 'Nightride Home' thing on Youtube - a classic example of her 'strumming' which is quite obvously very sophisticated, and very dynamic too. What a beautiful, surefooted performance. Joni is often underrated as a guitarist. For that matter she's underrated as a lyricist too! (Not around here, of course.) Martin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "Martin Giles" ; Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:58 AM Subject: Re: need joni help > Hi Martin, > Plus early on, there was actual "picking", no?? am thinking of the STAS > stuff. > Em > > --- Martin Giles wrote: > >> I may have my facts muddled here, but I think that her tunings do >> help her >> with the left hand, as her fingers are weakened from the polio she >> had as a >> child. However .. >> >> Joni has a tremendously expressive touch when she strums. Just listen >> and >> watch as she plays 'Amelia' on the 'Shadows and Light' video/DVD. >> It's a >> mixture of plucking, strumming and tapping that combine to keep a >> subtle, >> but solid rhythm going, all the while enhancing and counterpointing >> her >> vocal. 'Merely strumming' is hardly an adequate description. If your >> acquaintance can't hear that, well I'm afraid the shortcoming is in >> the >> listener, not the player :0) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:55:44 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: synesthesia, njc In a message dated 8/18/2006 2:13:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, _Snapple1984@aol.com_ (mailto:Snapple1984@aol.com) writes: I personally have alwyas found the strict division of the senses a bit jarring. I'll have to flesh this idea out more, but to me the body is far more connected than we think and not so compartmentalized. If you've ever had rose hip jam you know what it tastes like - it tastes how it smells. We already know the sense of taste and smell are connected - why not others? This probably has no scientific basis, it's just my ramblings. But this concept kind of goes along with my idea that most mental disorders are not really disorders but just different ways of experiencing the world. It's just a question of reframing your mind. My advisor just put out a book called "Scenting Salvation" about the sense of smell in ancient Christianity. I might do my thesis on something related to this. Hope all is going well and I hope to see you at a Jonifest in spring! And Em wrote: "that was one of the really neat things about acid, when it worked just right (which of course it didn't always). It connected all that stuff up. Yeah, its neat to hear colors or see music. Nice that it happens sometimes without drugs too." Yo, Yes, our senses are connected in the brain through areas considered to be "association cortices and pathways." Taste involves input relayed through cranial nerves 7, 9, and 10; smell involves cranial nerve 1. Taste associated cranial nerves send input to the gustatory cortices in the brain including but probably not limited to the frontal operculum and insular cortices of the limbic system, and smell travels to the nearby entorhinal cortex which forms part of the perforant pathway of the limbic system. The limbic system or emotion system is intimately connected with the sense of taste/smell. I've heard it said that for this reason taking a boss out to lunch to ask for something is a good strategy, and giving a neighbor a loaf of bread or something else pleasing to the taste is a cheap and memorable way to enhance friendship. Or as the stereotype goes, the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. Of course in addition to the senses of taste/and smell emotion in response to foods involves GI responses such as the production of certain gastric peptides that also act as neurotransmitters producing pleasant emotions upon eating particular foods. The contrast also occurs where a person whose GI tract reacts unfavorably to particular food can become emotionally disturbed, irritable and angry. Sometimes people who are thought of as "mad" are just lacking certain chemicals found in foods that produce favorable effects in the brain or might be ingesting others that affect their brain to the contrary. For instance along the lines of the later, people with celiac's disease can't eat wheat without adverse mental effects occurring. The sensation of taste together with the smell/olfactory connection is thought of as evolutionarily ancient and is more developed in what are considered to be lower species. The fish brain is like one big olfactory organ. This is all toward interacting with the environment and thriving. One interesting thing about the olfactory nerve is that it is the only sensory nerve that doesn't "filter" through the thalamus but rather connects directly to the cerebral cortex or telencephalic nuclei. For this reason, people have looked for a connection between Alzheimer's disease and things we breathe in, an idea that has neither been proven nor disproven. I think psychedelic drug induced synesthetic or spiritual experiences is a fascinating topic. I also find it interesting that some people who experimented with drugs early in life and have realized their bodies are growing older and less able to recover from drug induced damage are now seeking similar experiences using less potentially physically dangerous means such as mind control seminars, behavioral modification programs, religion, and philosophy. Synesthesia of the senses and of the body and the environment remind me of Joni growing older and talking about love or sex as a trick nature plays on us to get us to interact with one and other and propagate our own. I don't think the idea that what "moves" us in the realm of love or even spirituality is a trick of nature is a bad idea. Rather it confirms that we are very simple beings sharing the same physical composition as the rest of the earth. Another trick of nature might be the generation of human thoughts of people as "higher" beings among species or among people who are considered to be less enlightened... there is a similar egocentricity in considering oneself more physically evolved physically as more evolved spiritually. I like the Jewish philosophy that reminds us we are dirt. Here's an interesting article on LSD: _http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=hss_pubs_ (http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=hss_pubs) Sleep is another subject I find fascination in relation to mental illness and spiritual experience. Mind games topics... all of these. We all play, it is just a matter of what particular game we play. So, deal me another trick man and let's see what we can come up together, synesthetize with or without becoming anesthetized. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 02:10:37 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, CSNY's Freedom of Speech 06 Tour Dearest Joniamigos: CSNY's "Freedom of Speech 06" concert Tuesday night in CT was theeeee best concert experience I have ever had in my 52 years of living. It has left me speechless for the last few days (you know I love words and to write....but words just seem so inadequate right now), but I will come back this weekend when I have time on my hands and give you a better and more complete report. I am having trouble being coherent about this concert, because it moved me so deeply, and I'm afraid I can't do it justice. "If you believe in justice, if you believe in freedom" -- if you have an opportunity to see them, please please do. Jack, I'm so glad to know you are going. Bring kleenex, and be prepared to pump your fist in the air, over and over again, my friend. For now, I just have to share this: http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/videos/most_recent/index.jhtml Neil was so beautifully angry during the concert (We hate this stinkin' war!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- broke all the strings on his guitar at the end!), but on the Colbert Report he had heart and humor and humility. (How we love those qualities, n'est-ce pas?). It was so sweet to see him joking and smiling. Love and peace and, comme d'habitude, wishing you all a bon weekend, and so glad that Nuri is safe.... xoxo, Patti P., still totally overwhelmed NPIMH: the end of "Let's Impeach the President", when Neil sings: "THANK GOD! THANK GOD!"....YES, Thank God for Neil for speaking out against the madness. P.S. Here is a review that is pretty right on, in my opinion. CSNY Bold, Satisfying August 17, 2006 By ERIC R. DANTON, Courant Rock Critic The old songs got the biggest response during Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's lengthy performance Tuesday night at Mohegan Sun, but Neil Young's new songs had perhaps the biggest impact. Young recorded his "Living With War" album in a rapid burst of creativity earlier this year without pausing to worry much about the fidelity of the recordings or, really, the arrangements. Better to flesh out such things on the road, with the benefit of contributions from a few guys known for their singing: David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash. The quartet (augmented by a backing band) played eight of the 10 songs from "Living With War," which was gutsy: It's not unreasonable to expect to hear a continuous stream of familiar favorites when you've paid more than $200 for your ticket. Instead, Young and his cohorts chose to poke at the audience's conscience with material very much related to the current political climate - the musical equivalent of speaking truth to power (or at least comfort). That strategy resulted in one of the most powerful moments of the show. On "Let's Impeach the President," screens above the stage flashed the lyrics as the crowd cheered the sentiment and sang along as best it could to the sometimes clunky rhythmic meter of the words. There was plenty of older material, too - it was a 34-song concert, and many of the vintage songs also contained political elements. In fact, songs like "Ohio," "Immigration Man" and "For What It's Worth" have aged incredibly well (though that may have a lot to do with context). Young was animated from the start, but it took the others a while to loosen up. By the start of the second set, the harmonies were tight as the band members rotated on and off the stage for a series of solo turns and duets on Crosby's "Guinnevere" (with Nash) and Stills' "Treetop Flyer" (with Young). Crosby and Nash shared a microphone for backing vocals on "Only Love Can Break a Heart" as Young played piano. Stills' voice hasn't held up as well as the others', but his guitar playing remained fervent on "Almost Cut My Hair" and "For What It's Worth." The band spent nearly 31/2 hours on stage, before closing out the main set with a fiery version of Young's "Rockin' in the Free World" and returning to play "Woodstock" as an encore. For the complete set list, visit www.ctnow.com/danton. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #292 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------