From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #291 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 18 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 291 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Drugs on the road, njc [] Re: synesthesia [Snapple1984@aol.com] Re: unplugged night ride home video ["Fred Hubers" ] NJC Re: unplugged night ride home video [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Minnelli at the Outgames NjC [Jerry Notaro ] need joni help [Em ] Re: synesthesia NJC [Em ] RE : Re: Minnelli at the Outgames NjC [Joseph Palis ] Re: need joni help [Moni Kellermann ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:27:13 -0700 From: Subject: Drugs on the road, njc Lama and RR. You gave me some good chuckles today ;-) RR rapped: Elvis took 'em all for you and me "Elvis Was A Narc" - Pinkard & Bowden Haha! That's great! What a wayback on the memory time machine. Funnily enough, I had a high school friend who went with Sandy for years in the late 70s, early 80s and another high school friend who went with his bud Garland Frady (RIP). SoCal beachy girls who somehow ended up with a couple of Country legends. Go figure. ;-) Lama, I've been hearing about your family sailboat here from just about the time I joined the list in 1997. What a great accomplishment to have it all restored and up in running. I want a ride! Kakki (former Sea Scout sailing the Catalina Channel ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:06:48 EDT From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: synesthesia Hi there, Gary. I hadnn't seen who posted this on the Laura board but I knew it must be you when it popped up again on the Joni board :) I personally have alwyas found the strict division of the senses a bit jarring. I'll have to flesh this idea out more, but to me the body is far more connected than we think and not so compartmentalized. If you've ever had rose hip jam you know what it tastes like - it tastes how it smells. We already know the sense of taste and smell are connected - why not others? This probably has no scientific basis, it's just my ramblings. But this concept kind of goes along with my idea that most mental disorders are not really disorders but just different ways of experiencing the world. It's just a question of reframing your mind. My advisor just put out a book called "Scenting Salvation" about the sense of smell in ancient Christianity. I might do my thesis on something related to this. Hope all is going well and I hope to see you at a Jonifest in spring! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:53:12 +0200 From: "Fred Hubers" Subject: Re: unplugged night ride home video Hi all, this video was shot when she was doing promotion for the Night Ride Home album. I remember seeing it on tv back then. She plays in Amsterdam for a Dutch unplugged tv-show called "Twee Meter Sessies". The guy at the end of the video is the presenter of that show, he's called Jan Douwe Kroeske. She played only one song, but it is a great moment in Dutch tv-history! It's nice to be of any help to you, Now back to lurkdom, Fred Hubers Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:21:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: unplugged night ride home video Fred, thanks so much for filling in the blanks regarding this amazing video. I should have guessed that it was The Netherlands, the most beautiful and peaceful-feeling country I have ever seen. 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Jerry > And now for something completely trivial, like, who cares, but has anyone > heard Liza singing live recently? Well, I saw the televised closing ceremony > of the Outgames which headlined Minnelli recently in Montreal. Ok, the woman > is now 60. Ok, she has put on a few pounds. But what happened to the voice ? > I recall a discussion here some while ago about Anita O'Day, who'd gone on > way too long past her expiry date. Well that day has arrived for Liza, I'm > sad to say. What I heard was just a pale (and broken) reflection of her > unique and powerful voice. The richness is gone, the agility is gone, and > there's no more strength behind it. All I could think is : what a shame, > what happened ? And there is no way I would pay good money to hear this > person sing. Still, she was a hit, the crowd loved her. She pulled out her > old tunes. But the magic is definitely gone. She seems to be desperately > clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. I'm not seeing comments > about this on the net. Just had to get this off my chest here. > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: need joni help what's a good, concise, preferably short webpage that describes the genius of Joni's guitar playing?? I am having to try and refute someone's stated opinion that she merely strums and plays open tunings so she won't have to make "chords". I know the genius of it, YOU all know the genius of it....but I need to give a more technical yet simple description. thanks! Em ps am at work so have no time to search much right now...just thought someone might know off the top of their head where such a thing exists...maybe on JMDL! lol...who'd a thunk it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: synesthesia NJC that was one of the really neat things about acid, when it worked just right (which of course it didn't always). It connected all that stuff up. Yeah, its neat to hear colors or see music. Nice that it happens sometimes without drugs too. Em - --- Snapple1984@aol.com wrote: > the body > is far more > connected than we think and not so compartmentalized. If you've ever > had rose hip > jam you know what it tastes like - it tastes how it smells. We > already know > the sense of taste and smell are connected - why not others? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:53:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Minnelli at the Outgames NjC Jerry, I think I know this video you are talking about featuring Anita O'Day. Was it called "Jazz on a Summer Day?". O'Day was in this huge hat with feathers that must have accounted for half the egret population in the world. But when she scats, man, she is right there with the very best scat cats (Ella, Torme, Sarah, Louis). Speaking of Liza Minnelli, I bought her "Liza's Back" album in a used CD store because the reviews in the CD sleeves were gushing and somehow suggesting a second coming from this energetic talent. Since I own one Minnelli album called "Liza with a Z" and it shows a performer at her peak, singing vocally tricky songs like "I Got You", I thought "Liza's Back" would somehow be more of the same but with a more mature voice. After listening to this live recording, I didn't quite understand the raves for the album. The voice has this gravelly and hard-edged quality that makes it hard for me to listen to it without cringing. Most cringe-inducing of all is her medley of "Cry" songs where she was belting out the chorus of the song "Cry". It was really pathetic and sad. I am guessing that the live performance was tons better than the one captured on record, but this album is for hard-core fans only. I gave away my copy of this CD soon after. The same can be said of Lena Horne's 1994 live release called "An Evening With Lena Horne" which won that year's Grammy for best jazz vocal. I like Lena Horne a lot and the exciting possibilities of her voice, but the album is impossible for me to like. There were so many instances in the album where her voice sounded tired (fatigued even), pitchy and the tonal colorations were not executed well. I have several jazz vocals album I collected through the years and what those years of listening informed me is that intentional flattening of notes is possible (Sarah Vaughan, Ernestine Anderson and Dianne Reeves come to mind immediately) and even atonality (Linda Sharrock, Urszula Dudziak). That said, I think that sometimes when people review live albums, they were either actually there in the actual performance and experienced the magic of a live show more than those who are only hearing it on record. Or they are big fans of the artist who they feel cannot do wrong in their books. Or they just have different tastes than mine. But really, some singers should know the limitations of their voices and work around it. Eartha Kitt is one person who can work around her now-limited vocal range. And yes, I am one of the fans of latter-day Joni whose smoky voice she was able to use to convey drama without heavy emoting. Just my early two cents. Joseph in Chapel Hill (still tired from moving his stuff to his new place on the second floor with a pale view of the hills) Jerry Notaro a icrit : I saw her singing "live" recently and it was obviously taped. Her voice was gone long ago, though I must also add that I am a big fan of her. She needs to stop trying to sing like a 25 year old and celebrate the experience and maturity in her style. Speaking of Miss O'Day, I just watched the entire History of Rock and Roll DVD set and must say I was impressed with her place in music history. I remember seeing her on the video of the 1959 Newport Jazz Festival scatting away in this huge black hat and wondering who in the heck she was. Jerry > And now for something completely trivial, like, who cares, but has anyone > heard Liza singing live recently? Well, I saw the televised closing ceremony > of the Outgames which headlined Minnelli recently in Montreal. Ok, the woman > is now 60. Ok, she has put on a few pounds. But what happened to the voice ? > I recall a discussion here some while ago about Anita O'Day, who'd gone on > way too long past her expiry date. Well that day has arrived for Liza, I'm > sad to say. What I heard was just a pale (and broken) reflection of her > unique and powerful voice. The richness is gone, the agility is gone, and > there's no more strength behind it. All I could think is : what a shame, > what happened ? And there is no way I would pay good money to hear this > person sing. Still, she was a hit, the crowd loved her. She pulled out her > old tunes. But the magic is definitely gone. She seems to be desperately > clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. I'm not seeing comments > about this on the net. Just had to get this off my chest here. > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. > http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:22:38 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: Re: YOU TUBE I"M OBSESSED (NJC) Here is YOUR video, Michael !! "I'm Addicted To YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sDyVAUb8xE ~Richard p.s. That is one fabulous video of Music Rising Foundation/Preservationo Hall reopening ! Thanks! Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:41:12 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: YOU TUBE I"M OBSESSED (NJC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0wjLlTbSo Check out my good friend Clint Maedgen (from the bands Bingo and Liquidrone as well as The Preservation Hall Jazz Band) playing with The Edge from U2 during Jazzfest this year. He is an amazing talent. I think I told you guys about him hooking up with Tom Waits last year. I've lost my mind with the you tube thing. Somebody stop me I have work to do. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:40:11 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Joni Content - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O'Malley" <<< And now for something completely trivial, like, who cares, but has anyone heard Liza singing live recently? Well, I saw the televised closing ceremony of the Outgames which headlined Minnelli recently in Montreal. Ok, the woman is now 60. Ok, she has put on a few pounds. But what happened to the voice ? I recall a discussion here some while ago about Anita O'Day, who'd gone on way too long past her expiry date. Well that day has arrived for Liza, I'm sad to say. What I heard was just a pale (and broken) reflection of her unique and powerful voice. The richness is gone, the agility is gone, and there's no more strength behind it. All I could think is : what a shame, what happened ? And there is no way I would pay good money to hear this person sing. Still, she was a hit, the crowd loved her. She pulled out her old tunes. But the magic is definitely gone. She seems to be desperately clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. I'm not seeing comments about this on the net. Just had to get this off my chest here. >>> Reply From: "Jerry Notaro" <<< I saw her singing "live" recently and it was obviously taped. Her voice was gone long ago, though I must also add that I am a big fan of her. She needs to stop trying to sing like a 25 year old and celebrate the experience and maturity in her style. Speaking of Miss O'Day, I just watched the entire History of Rock and Roll DVD set and must say I was impressed with her place in music history. I remember seeing her on the video of the 1959 Newport Jazz Festival scatting away in this huge black hat and wondering who in the heck she was. >>> Now for the Joni content: We've been asking some time about "when is Joni going to sing/perform/record again?" and there has been much discussion about her lower registers and the fact that she can no longer reach the high-notes of her younger days. Some people are willing to embrace the older, more mature Joni and others want to cling to their child and criticize her for her smoke-ravaged vocal chords. It's a matter of personal preference, I know. Reading about Liza and the fact that she continues to perform and sing when she is long past her prime... perhaps even no longer has anything to offer as a vocalist is telling to me. I wonder whether Joni's decision is that she doesn't want to be a parody of herself and try to recapture what once was. Perhaps, like some prime athlete, she wants to go out on a positive note and not drag on for years and years deteriorating to the point where some people - particularly those who still label her as a "folkie" - make insulting comparisons. I have loved everything musical and literate about Joni. I have loved much of her artwork (not all) and embraced her choices. If she chooses to be a visual artist and a grandmother at this time in her life, I have to accept that it is the right choice for her and not be churlish that she offers me nothing more for my ears. She is a perfectionist and it's quite possible that she knows her limitations. I just can't see her having the stamina for a tour in support of a new audio release and frankly, the state of the music industry today, I can't see her having the patience or the energy to promote sales. Warmly, Cassy NP: Akon - Journey (My brother's latest project - ask me if you care) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:22:29 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Drugs on the road, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > "Elvis Was A Narc" - Pinkard & Bowden > > Haha! That's great! What a wayback on the memory time machine. Funnily > enough, I had a high school friend who went with Sandy for years in the > late 70s, early 80s and another high school friend who went with his bud > Garland Frady (RIP). SoCal beachy girls who somehow ended up with a > couple of Country legends. Go figure. ;-) Cool-there's that six degrees thing again- > Lama, I've been hearing about your family sailboat here from just about > the time I joined the list in 1997. What a great accomplishment to have > it all restored and up in running. I want a ride! > > Kakki (former Sea Scout sailing the Catalina Channel ;-) Alright! We had the Sea Scouts in San Carlos on the SF bay though I wasn't a member-it looked like fun...Lama, happy (smooth) sailing! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:51:01 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: need joni help Em schrieb: > what's a good, concise, preferably short webpage that describes the > genius of Joni's guitar playing?? I am having to try and refute > someone's stated opinion that she merely strums and plays open tunings > so she won't have to make "chords". I know this is something else than what you are looking for but I find this 1995 Guitar Player interview with JM very informative: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=119 moni ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #291 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------