From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #288 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 288 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) [Victor Johnson ] re: Joni in Rolling Stone Again ["mia _" ] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone Again ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] "that's such a lonely thing to do" ["anon anon" ] Re: "that's such a lonely thing to do" [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour '06 ["Patti Parlette" ] njc, Jackson Browne & noble causes ["Patti Parlette" ] joni mention, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] RE: mandolins anyone? (njc) ["Richard Flynn" ] "Hotel California" review on this flight tonight [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:11:38 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) Hey Martin, Nice to hear from you. I actually don't even own one myself at the moment. I used to have a cheap one that I gave to my dad who in turn gave it to my friend's Holley's daughter who plays it when she has time. They are a lot of fun to play. The chords to me seem to be a bit more intuitive than the guitar. There are short cut fingerings and then there are the proper fingerings...I usually go with the short cut ones. I look forward to playing some at the festival. I love the sound of the mandolin. Victor NP: Boortz show > Hi Victor. I'm not in the market for a mandolin at the moment, but > I have just recently started to learn to play mandolin. I got a > cheap one a couple of months back to see how I got on with it. > > Having fun - just beginning to get to grips with some scales by way > of trying to learn some reels. Chords I'm finding harder. I've got > a chord dictionary, but there's something about the many different > versions of each chord that (more or less) fall into first > position, that I haven't worked out which fingerings are the best > to start with. > > I'm sure it'll come in time though. > > Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:35:43 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Joni in Rolling Stone Again <> That's cool! I've often wondered if there was a Joni connection in 'That's The Way' because the chords in that song are so similar to the chords in 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire.' Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:50:19 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone Again Zep III came out about a year before For the Roses... On 8/14/06, mia _ wrote: > <> > > That's cool! I've often wondered if there was a Joni connection in 'That's > The Way' because the chords in that song are so similar to the chords in > 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire.' > > Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:09:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone Again But doesn't mean they didn't hear her play it before it was recorded. Unlike many artists who wait, Joni plays her compositions live, sometimes for years, before recording them. Jerry > Zep III came out about a year before For the Roses... > > On 8/14/06, mia _ wrote: >> <> >> >> That's cool! I've often wondered if there was a Joni connection in 'That's >> The Way' because the chords in that song are so similar to the chords in >> 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire.' >> >> Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:25:53 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: "that's such a lonely thing to do" that's the line I've been wondering about lately... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:51:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: "that's such a lonely thing to do" that's the line I've been wondering about lately...> What do you wonder about it? If you know that a love affair is doomed, should you encourage it? the full line: "Are you gonna let me go there (falling in love) by myself, that's such a lonely thing to do" Bob NP: Joni, "You're So Square..." - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Apparently the images are deeply affecting: Iraqi war dead, the body count clock going up so fast, the peace symbols, then the music, the energy, the passion -- I'm either going to thaw out (melt-down!) or freeze (become catatonic and get put up in some sterilized room). Has anyone ever taken tranquilizers so they won't be too moved by a performance? (ONLY KIDDING!!!!) And if they play Woodstock, you can be sure I will be weeping. Weeping for the world as it is, for how farther than ever we are from the garden. All of the hope and the hopelessness. Oooh, Cat Stevens just popped into my head after I wrote that, totally unbidden. Remember these lyrics? "Now I've been crying lately, thinking about the world as it is Why must we go on hating, why can't we live in bliss Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again" Hey, are any JMDLers going to this show? Let me know so we can meet up! (Or so you can stay clear of me.....ha ha ha). I'm in section #1, row N, up close and personal! Love, Patti P. P.S. Sherelle, ma belle, I was touched by your post about terrorism....I am working on a reply....but give me some time, I feel like I'm losing mine....as you can tell, I am a little "off my nut"! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:46:26 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Jackson Browne & noble causes Hi agaiin: I heard that Jackson Browne donated to Ned Lamont's campaign (bring it ON!) so I checked out www.jacksonbrowne.com to see what else he is up to. Look, look, NYC-area folks! 20 Aug 2006 'A Small Circle of Friends' - Hall Benefit Concert Concert to Support John Hall For Congress www.johnhallforcongress.com Jackson Browne, Rosanne Cash, Steve Earle, Nanci Griffith and more to perform. Town Hall 123 West 43rd Street (btwn 6th Ave & Broadway) New York, NY Tickets: For VIP seats, 845-831-0025 For General Tix: 212-307-7171 then: 30 Sep 2006 Ventura Hillsides Benefit Ventura, CA Jackson Browne with Fred Martin & The Levite Camp, Michael McDonald - -------- Weren't two of you ladies of the jdml just talking about Michael McDonald? Read more about everything here: http://www.jacksonbrowne.com/news_and_reviews/8874.aspx Wow, I wish he'd come sing for Ned. Hey, ya never know. We have about 3 months to go! Peace, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:44:03 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: njc, Interview with David Crosby He probably meant music that was listenable, which would certainly disqualify anything the likes of Green Day. JR in NH Original Message: - ----------------- From: Randy Remote guitarzan@hughes.net Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:06:40 -0700 To: loveuconn@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: njc, Interview with David Crosby Patti, you lucky girl, you! Have a great time and then some! Liked the Croz interview, although: > Q: Neil Young has said part of why he made "Living With War" was because > he kept waiting for the younger generation to step up and do likewise. > Several young artists have issued protest songs recently, but no one's > made anything like his album. > > A: Yeah, some of them are outspoken, but not the ones that are really big > stars. Green Day's "American Idiot" would seem to qualify - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:08:25 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc, Jackson Browne & noble causes And the "John Hall" that they're supporting is the same John Hall who was in Orleans and organized the No Nukes benefit back in the 70's. He's been a positive force for awhile - the kind of person that SHOULD serve America, I would say. Bob NP: Ani, "Fire Door" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:08:13 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour '06 Hey Peppermint Patti! Sure wish I could go to the show with ya! Which one are you going to again? Is it sold out? Anyway, be sure to sign up for Jonifest 2007, I signed up first thing this morning - woo hoo! db >>> "Patti Parlette" 8/14/2006 3:16 PM >>> RR wrote: >Patti, you lucky girl, you! Have a great time and then some! Then *some*? Some what????!!!! LOL! Thanks, Randy! I think I'm going to explode at this show! From all the reviews I have read (csny.com), it is very powerful visually and musically. A multimedia production, if you will. This show is going to assault and stick to all my senses. Loud, rocking, political, passionate. Not to mention all the nostalgia that these legends bring back. (Proust's "a la recherche du temps perdu" kind of experience.) Apparently the images are deeply affecting: Iraqi war dead, the body count clock going up so fast, the peace symbols, then the music, the energy, the passion -- I'm either going to thaw out (melt-down!) or freeze (become catatonic and get put up in some sterilized room). Has anyone ever taken tranquilizers so they won't be too moved by a performance? (ONLY KIDDING!!!!) And if they play Woodstock, you can be sure I will be weeping. Weeping for the world as it is, for how farther than ever we are from the garden. All of the hope and the hopelessness. Oooh, Cat Stevens just popped into my head after I wrote that, totally unbidden. Remember these lyrics? "Now I've been crying lately, thinking about the world as it is Why must we go on hating, why can't we live in bliss Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again" Hey, are any JMDLers going to this show? Let me know so we can meet up! (Or so you can stay clear of me.....ha ha ha). I'm in section #1, row N, up close and personal! Love, Patti P. P.S. Sherelle, ma belle, I was touched by your post about terrorism....I am working on a reply....but give me some time, I feel like I'm losing mine....as you can tell, I am a little "off my nut"! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:24:57 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) In a message dated 14/08/2006 00:36:45 GMT Standard Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: I'm thinking about getting a mandolin, too. But I want one from that shop on Staten Island: http://www.jonimitchell.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=39 http://www.mandolinbrothers.com/ I totally agree that that is the only place to by a mandolin. Did we ever establish whether Joni actually bought one that day? I seem to remember that we did but can't actually remember the details. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:58:57 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour '06 I'm also lucky enough to be going to this show in Chicago. I'm even luckier in that I'm in the 4th row center section. It should be amazing. If anyone needs a single ticket for the Chicago area, I have an extra in the 20th row, also in the center section. It's a $200 ticket, that I've listed on Ebay starting at $100. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: djb@binkleybarfield.com To: loveuconn@hotmail.com; guitarzan@hughes.net; joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour '06 Hey Peppermint Patti! Sure wish I could go to the show with ya! Which one are you going to again? Is it sold out? Anyway, be sure to sign up for Jonifest 2007, I signed up first thing this morning - woo hoo! db >>> "Patti Parlette" 8/14/2006 3:16 PM >>> RR wrote: >Patti, you lucky girl, you! Have a great time and then some! Then *some*? Some what????!!!! LOL! Thanks, Randy! I think I'm going to explode at this show! From all the reviews I have read (csny.com), it is very powerful visually and musically. A multimedia production, if you will. This show is going to assault and stick to all my senses. Loud, rocking, political, passionate. Not to mention all the nostalgia that these legends bring back. (Proust's "a la recherche du temps perdu" kind of experience.) Apparently the images are deeply affecting: Iraqi war dead, the body count clock going up so fast, the peace symbols, then the music, the energy, the passion -- I'm either going to thaw out (melt-down!) or freeze (become catatonic and get put up in some sterilized room). Has anyone ever taken tranquilizers so they won't be too moved by a performance? (ONLY KIDDING!!!!) And if they play Woodstock, you can be sure I will be weeping. Weeping for the world as it is, for how farther than ever we are from the garden. All of the hope and the hopelessness. Oooh, Cat Stevens just popped into my head after I wrote that, totally unbidden. Remember these lyrics? "Now I've been crying lately, thinking about the world as it is Why must we go on hating, why can't we live in bliss Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again" Hey, are any JMDLers going to this show? Let me know so we can meet up! (Or so you can stay clear of me.....ha ha ha). I'm in section #1, row N, up close and personal! Love, Patti P. P.S. Sherelle, ma belle, I was touched by your post about terrorism....I am working on a reply....but give me some time, I feel like I'm losing mine....as you can tell, I am a little "off my nut"! ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:50:49 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: njc, Interview with David Crosby Hmm..quadruple platinum in the US/Grammy for rock album of the year/sellout stadiums worldwide....someone must be listening... He probably meant music that was listenable, which would certainly disqualify anything the likes of Green Day. JR in NH Original Message: From: Randy Remote guitarzan@hughes.net > A: Yeah, some of them are outspoken, but not the ones that are really big > stars. Green Day's "American Idiot" would seem to qualify ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:27:41 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2007 sign ups are READY to go!! In a message dated 8/13/2006 4:45:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: As I mentioned a few days ago, Sarah, Jack's daughter asked if she could come so we are going to try and get her up there from school in Iowa. Speaking of which, Sarah is going to need financial help getting to Fest. If you would like to earmark all or part of your scholarship donation for Sarah, or earmark it specifically for anyone else, please make a note to me specifying that on your online form. Hugs, Ashara, during a break from my workshop in update NY, not too far from Full Moon! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:59:32 +1000 From: "don whiteman" Subject: RE: Mandolins anyone. I went to Staten Island last year and bought myself a mandolin. It was a Mid-Missouri. Stan Jay spent quite some time with me going through a whole lot of mados before we settled on this one. The guy was playing Rhapsody in Blue on each Mando as we walked through the store. Janet was also really great.. Good store to deal with, great experience. You can understand why many starts shop there. Don Sydney Australia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:41:33 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: joni mention, njc Janine, Thanks for writing about your father. I'm sorry to hear that he has passed on. The comfort of having this great music in our lives is a constant. I hope it sustains you as it has me. All the best, Jim L. Janine said, > I recently returned to the home of my youth in Ohio. My father passed away after a tough bout with a brain tumor the last months. It has been a difficult time. I was relaxing at home and found a new magazine of my mom's called Family Circle or something like that. The last page has an article about Sela Ward and her kids. She says her kids make fun of her because her iPod is loaded with "Joni Mitchell" or something like that. Even in the grief of the moment, I had to nod and thank Joni for touching so many of us. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:34:51 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: mandolins anyone? (njc) As the link says, she did: Stan Jay, president of Mandolin Brothers, would like to assure you that you are not crazy, and that he has been asked this question many times over the years. Joni Mitchell did indeed make a trip to his store on Staten Island in 1976, where she bought a Gibson K-4 mandocello, built around 1915. It is a large (guitar-sized) version of the Gibson F-4 mandolin and is tuned C G D A, one octave below a mandola. On the same trip, she also bought a circa 1915 Martin 000-28 herringbone guitar. It was during the ferry ride back to New York City from Staten Island that she began writing "Song for Sharon." - - Bronwen Morgan - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gertus@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:25 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; mlg@ukonline.co.uk; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) In a message dated 14/08/2006 00:36:45 GMT Standard Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: I'm thinking about getting a mandolin, too. But I want one from that shop on Staten Island: http://www.jonimitchell.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=39 http://www.mandolinbrothers.com/ I totally agree that that is the only place to by a mandolin. Did we ever establish whether Joni actually bought one that day? I seem to remember that we did but can't actually remember the details. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:32:48 -0700 From: Subject: "Hotel California" review on this flight tonight Hi Patti, Thanks for sending the review from the airline mag, but jeez that is an awful review of the book, IMO. Maybe the guy who reviewed it is young and wasn't around back in the day or maybe he just doesn't know how to overview it with much depth. This was ridiculous: "...the brilliant but bed-hopping Joni Mitchell" Give me a break! I read the book avidly and really got into it, but for him to pull out this little bit tells me he is rather facile. There's a whole lot of bed hopping in the book and the least of it is Joni! We have all agreed that the book is gossipy but some of the other recorded "relationships" were quite a surprise to me. But come on, Linda was no "innocent," although her heart and mind seem intact and she did reveal a lot of true insight into the time. I grew up here during the time and though I was young and naive then, there was some peripheral but memorable experience of what was happening. I thought Hoskyns captured it all pretty accurately. He has previously written many very good chronicles of those times and music before writing this book. Yes, there is a lot that some of us have read before in other books and articles, but there is a lot that is new and obscure that I found revealing. I've said before that the "down the dark ladder" road that many of these artists took at the time was depressing to me. It's all laid out in the book and while it may validate my impressions of the time, it also makes me ask why there is so much emphasis on it. Really. These artists may have had their flaws and their excesses but they were so young, creative, talented and extraordinary, even through the excess. So many of the books and biographies of that time include the drug references in every other paragraph that is seems to somehow overshadow who these people really were. I hope in the future to see more books (hopefully from those remaining, including Joni) that convey their stories about being young and being thrown into fame, about what inspired them, what kept them going and so on. There needs to be more depth accorded to that time. I hope some author will someday go beyond the surface of the salacious soundbites and tell is who these artists really were. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #288 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------