From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 14 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 287 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #286 ["paul meyer-strom" ] Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) [Gertus@aol.com] coltrane etc njc [mags h ] the sound of Fruit njc [mags h ] Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow [LCStan] Re: Israel, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow [Dflahm@] Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow ["Randy] njc, Interview with David Crosby ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Jonifest 2007 sign ups are READY to go!! [Michael Paz ] some great protest music njc ["ron" ] Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Jonifest 2007 sign ups are READY to go!! [Chris Marshall ] NJC Honk pics [Bob Muller ] oregon trail [frednow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:24:35 -0700 From: "paul meyer-strom" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #286 Re: janine sherman Subject: joni mention Thank you for posting, janine. I'm so sorry for your loss, and hope that you and yours are doing OK. It is such a huge event, the loss of ones dad, and I appreciate your posting. Odd how at the darndest times Joni creeps in and touches us. paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:29:05 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) In a message dated 13/08/2006 08:11:31 GMT Standard Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:58:35 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) Hi Victor. I'm not in the market for a mandolin at the moment, but I have just recently started to learn to play mandolin. I got a cheap one a couple of months back to see how I got on with it. Having fun - just beginning to get to grips with some scales by way of trying to learn some reels. Chords I'm finding harder. I've got a chord dictionary, but there's something about the many different versions of each chord that (more or less) fall into first position, that I haven't worked out which fingerings are the best to start with. I'm sure it'll come in time though. Hi Martin, How are you doing? Great to hear you are learning the mandolin. It's quite a strange little instrument but has rather more potential than it's given credit for. I'm always in the market for new mandolins so have already contacted Victor, even though I already own far too many! You have probably already come across Simon Mayor's excellent tutors for the instrument. You might also want to check out the Mandolin Cafe site which is almost as addictive as JMDL! _www.mandolincafe.com_ (http://www.mandolincafe.com) . The message boards are great too. Best wishes, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: coltrane etc njc Lama wrote: 2. I borrowed John Coltrane's "Giant Steps" from the library this week. Holy Taylor Ham, is this a fine record. Thanks to Margaret and David Lahm and anyone else who has recommended Coltrane through all of The JMDL Years. I think Mags recommended "A Love Supreme", then David recommended "Monk & Coltrane Live at Carnegie Hall". They are all winners although maybe not as good as Boston III. heh heh ***** hey Lama, glad you're diggin Coltrane...some of his work is out there ... i'm particularly fond of ballads...gorgeous. a note for anyone who is interested in such things.... chris botti is coming to town in october gordon lightfoot as well lots of crazy eccentric all over the mapness here to be found...the who are performing at the mts centre for a mere 200 dollars. i think that happens in sept... tks for the headsup on mandolins, Victor, sounds like a wonderful opportunity. At the Folk Festival, there's a booth set up where you can try out mandos , dulcimers etc...it was an awesome thing playing a dulcimer...fairly easy to get a decent sound...shades of joni mitchell....well , you know what i mean :-) did i tell y'all that i met richard thompson at the winnipeg folk festival? old bat memory cant recall ;-))) if you want that story, let me know...also, i shook hands with rickie lee. yea. Mags np: sunday morning silence - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: the sound of Fruit njc check it out, a band that made a deep impression at the winnipeg folk festival, back in town in the fall at the west end cultural centre... let me know what y'all think...there's even a joni mitchell mention whilst talking about their vocals... mags... np: a thousand days , fruit. - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:35:39 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Catherine wrote: I think it's, "Your nachos, Liberace? D'oh!" Hi Catherine, Are you sure it isn't "Your Nacho Libre Doll?" Jumping Jack Black is a gas gas gas! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:55:12 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Israel, njc Sherelle wrote: "For whatever reason the world has gone mad and the emperor has on no clothes. Up is down and down is up...and I don't understand...." Hi Sherelle, I believe more of the world is sane than insane. These crazy types are loud. They want attention and want to terrorize hope right out of us. However, there is peace across many religions already established and growing. Unfortunately, the focus is not on that in the TV and written news. I don't think we have to understand the madness but rather know that although warring might never cease, there is sanity and peace we can be part of and see growing right now. Joni is a big part of this gentle revolution in my life. May you find the peace and the star oh my friend... Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:57:01 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow FWIW, Lori, you are absolutely correct. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:49:22 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow > FWIW, Lori, you are absolutely correct. > > > DAVID LAHM > I must agree ! RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:11:03 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Interview with David Crosby Dear Joniamigos: I think you will all appreciate this interview pasted below. I sure did, especially since this Tuesday it's finally my turn to see the "Freedom of Speech '06" Tour. I know Randy in CA and Angela in CO already had very positive experiences (understatement). Did I miss anyone else's review? As for the cost. Yes. It's the most I ever spent for a concert, but I don't care babies, I'm so squarely in their corner. How can you "find the cost of freedom"? Talk about priceless. The chance to see these four legends together (yes, FOUR!) taking a stand like this? Ain't no mountain high enough to keep me away from THIS one! Love and peace, Patti P. NPIMH: Carly's "Anticipation", slightly changing the lyrics to "...... thinking about how right Tuesday night might be...." Okay, voila, and enjoy: David Crosby Is Mad As Hell And Not Taking It Anymore August 13, 2006 By BEN WENER, ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER Let's not mince words. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young have reunited for their third tour this decade, having ended a decade-plus period of dormancy in late 1999 with the sweet, aptly titled album "Looking Forward." The tour stops at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Montville Tuesday at 7 p.m. This time out, however, the quartet of 60-somethings has rallied around a decidedly strident work, Young's "Living With War," the most bluntly outspoken response to the president and the Iraq war yet recorded. Slammed out in a six-day rage, the disc's nine straightforward anthems (and choir rendition of "America the Beautiful") scream for CS&N's harmonies and willingness to take a similar stand. Here's what David Crosby had to say about the tour: Q: Many critics are saying this tour has brought renewed relevancy to your music. A: They're right. Part of our job is just to rock you, and part of our job is to be like troubadours, carrying the news from one town to another, like town criers. And that part of our job this time is much stronger because Neil came with an entire album of immensely strong songs. And they're very direct songs, man. They're not complex and wispy and out there. They're not "Guinnevere." They are right in your face. You know, Neil's [angry]. He doesn't think this is a just war, and neither do we. A lot of people in this country feel like they've been hoodwinked. If they're Democrats, they feel that the elections were stolen. If they're Republicans, they feel like their party got swiped and dragged off to the extreme right. There are a lot of people who are unhappy about the lies that have been told. Q: Could you have done a tour so overtly political even two years ago? A: Well, we might have. People almost expect it of us. We have been like this for a long time, you know, when most people wouldn't do what we're doing, now or then. But I also think that now there's a groundswell about this. Have you ever heard of this girl Pink? Have you heard that song "Dear Mr. President"? Holy [bleep]! That's the thing. Two years ago, people weren't speaking their minds as much. Now it's really coming on strong from more people. Q: I just saw Cyndi Lauper, and even she was doing "What's Going On" and "Imagine." A: There's an awful lot more of it now. I mean, fair is fair: There are a great many performers who never do benefits and don't ever take a political stand, who just don't do anything. You know, the Janet Jacksons of the world. Q: That's their prerogative, though. A: Yeah, I suppose. I don't understand it. They live here, too. But they have a right to be whoever they are. I just don't get not helping when there are so many people who need help. Even if you don't get political at all, there are still people everywhere you can help. I'm very happy about this tour, though, because there is a feeling inside of us of being validated - of being able to maintain what we think our contribution should be, and not just play old songs that everybody wants to hear. Yes, we can do that. We can play for five hours that way. But that's not all we do, and it never was all we did. This feels like "Ohio" and "For What It's Worth" and "Long Time Gone" and all those other old songs now have more weight and new meaning. Night before last, I sang, "You know there's something going on around here that just will not stand the light of day" - and the whole audience cheered. In the middle of the song! 'Cause they feel what I was talking about. Q: But it makes sense that people would turn to the four of you at a time like this. You are among the very few artists of any generation who have steadfastly carried this torch - of using your platform to speak your mind. A: Well, there's also Bonnie Raitt, there's Jackson Browne. There are a lot of people of principle out there. The Indigo Girls, for God's sake: There aren't many people who have worked harder for other people than them. Q: John Fogerty got back to social issues. He even wrote an anti-war song ("Deja Vu All Over Again"). A: Yeah, and it's a good song, too. And Springsteen, he's a strong guy. Q: But we've just named a bunch of people over 50. A: Yeah, but that Pink song ... that just blew my mind out of my ear. Q: Does this validation come with any sense of melancholy? Those old protest songs are indestructible, but it would be better if they weren't so relevant right now. A: We think that, too. We don't think it's really OK for us to be picking up pieces after the government. But we didn't think we'd ever have to do benefits for AIDS research, either. We thought the government would just be concerned about it and do something about it. But for years the only people who did anything about AIDS were performers, especially Elton (John). We'd rather that the situation didn't exist, but it does. And it's part of our job to look that squarely in the eye and give the most honest report on it that we can. Q: How does the mood of audiences now compare to how it was during, say, the Vietnam era? A: It's very similar, man. The country is very, very polarized. There are two distinct sides, and they have very strong feelings. And the administration that is in power is doing a lot of the very same things that were going on during the Nixon years. What people seem to dislike most is having this administration try to marginalize them, tell them that if they don't agree with their politics, then they are being un-American. Which is just nonsense. We don't agree with this administration, but we love the country. And the people in our audience seem to feel the same way. They believe in this country, in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence. They love this place, and they don't like having it swiped away. We don't either. Q: Neil Young has said part of why he made "Living With War" was because he kept waiting for the younger generation to step up and do likewise. Several young artists have issued protest songs recently, but no one's made anything like his album. A: Yeah, some of them are outspoken, but not the ones that are really big stars. Neil was hoping that somebody could actually grab the wheel, get enough attention that they would become the focal point, the rallying point. That Pink song is proof that the intent is there. But, you know, how many people know about that song vs. how many people know about us. Q: I often hear people say that the only thing that will really shake up the youth ... A: ... is a draft. Yeah. That's a very serious subject with me, because I have an 11-year-old boy, and if they institute a draft, which I think they very well might ... You know, they don't have enough cannon fodder to do what they intend to do, what their plan is for the Middle East. Their enlistments are way down. They're having to extend people from the National Guard way over, which is (ticking) them off a lot. And every time they swear they're not gonna put a draft in, well, they've lied about everything else, so I kinda think they're lying about that, too. And if they do, then I have to leave. Because they get my boy over my dead body, and no other way. If it were a war for principle, that'd be one thing. But a war for profit? I'm sorry. Not good enough. ***** P.S. from Patti: "They get my boy over my dead body, and no other way." Absofreakinlutely. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:06:40 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: njc, Interview with David Crosby Patti, you lucky girl, you! Have a great time and then some! Liked the Croz interview, although: > Q: Neil Young has said part of why he made "Living With War" was because > he kept waiting for the younger generation to step up and do likewise. > Several young artists have issued protest songs recently, but no one's > made anything like his album. > > A: Yeah, some of them are outspoken, but not the ones that are really big > stars. Green Day's "American Idiot" would seem to qualify ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:38:32 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: joni mention Janine My deepest sympathy to you. I hope you had some time with him before the end. I am still coming to terms with my dad being gone and while I thought I was ready you never really are. Heal soon and you will be in my thoughts and prayers. Hope to see you at Jonifest this year. Tell the old man to dust off the axe and get to playing more. Love Paz NP-Palm of My Hand-Susan Cowsill > Hello all, > > I recently returned to the home of my youth in Ohio. My father passed away > after a tough bout with a brain tumor the last months. It has been a difficult > time. I was relaxing at home and found a new magazine of my mom's called > Family Circle or something like that. The last page has an article about Sela > Ward and her kids. She says her kids make fun of her because her iPod is > loaded with "Joni Mitchell" or something like that. Even in the grief of the > moment, I had to nod and thank Joni for touching so many of us. > > All the best, > > Janine > NP: Memories > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:45:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest 2007 sign ups are READY to go!! YeHAAAAAAAAAA! A Joni gathering! I have signed up and am sending my checks tomorrow. Hope to see everyone there! As I mentioned a few days ago, Sarah, Jack's daughter asked if she could come so we are going to try and get her up there from school in Iowa. I would like to try and organize a tribute for Jack at this years fest. Please contact me if you have an interest in doing so. I would love see some people cover his songs (as I am sure he would) but you can do what ever you would like to do. Love Paz NP-A Case of You-Susan Cowsill > Thanks to the AMAZING Mr. Les Irvin, the Jonifest webpages are updated and > the sign ups are ready to go!! For anyone new to Jonifest, there are pages of > information and FAQ's (Frequently asked questions) on the Jonifest pages. For > those of you that have been to Jonifest before, the fabulous news is that > most prices are over 10% BELOW the prices of 3 YEARS AGO!!! YAY!!! > > And everyone, please note that there is NO camping or yurt availability that > time of year, so once the rooms fill, which I expect it to do very quickly, > I will start a waiting list. > > > Once again, there will be a logo contest that will be announced sometime > after the 18th, so start your creative juices flowing! > > > If you have any questions about Jonifest, e-mail me privately and I will get > back to you after the 18th. > > So...head over to: _www.jonifest.com_ (http://www.jonifest.com/) and > sign up TODAY!!! > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:56:57 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni in Rolling Stone Again "In 1970, Jimmy Page decided that Led Zeppelin had earned enough credibility with their audience that the group could afford extending musical directions a bit. He and Plant retreated to a remote cottage in Wales and wrote a suite of acoustic based songs that reflected the two's affection for British folk, and paid tribute to the sort of music that Crosby Stills and Nash and Joni Mitchell were producing from California (the entire band regarded Mitchell as perhaps the best songwriter in contemporary music)......" Those songs of course were That's The Way and Gallows Pole Best Paz NP-Drunken Angel-Susan Cowsill (Live at The "O") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:20:44 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: some great protest music njc hi i just stumbled across this on cdbaby. apparently theres even a "bitch slap gw" line in there somewhere. http://cdbaby.com/cd/crazed4 ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:08:09 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) Hi Jacky Great to hear from you. I'll look out for the Simon Mayer tutors - thanks for the tip. I think I need something like that to give me some direction. A couple of years back I bought an octave mandola. I loved the sound, but found it was a real pig to play. After a while, it went back into its case, and when eventually I took it out again, I found that the neck had half broken off! Out of guarantee though, so it remains in that state. Now I've got this beginner's mandolin, which I'm getting to grips with. Hopefully, once I've got the mandolin going usefully, I might try and get the mandola repaired and see what I can get out of it. Just as a matter of interest - how many mandolins do you already own? :0) Martin. x ----- Original Message ----- From: Gertus@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Cc: mlg@ukonline.co.uk Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) In a message dated 13/08/2006 08:11:31 GMT Standard Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:58:35 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) Hi Victor. I'm not in the market for a mandolin at the moment, but I have just recently started to learn to play mandolin. I got a cheap one a couple of months back to see how I got on with it. Having fun - just beginning to get to grips with some scales by way of trying to learn some reels. Chords I'm finding harder. I've got a chord dictionary, but there's something about the many different versions of each chord that (more or less) fall into first position, that I haven't worked out which fingerings are the best to start with. I'm sure it'll come in time though. Hi Martin, How are you doing? Great to hear you are learning the mandolin. It's quite a strange little instrument but has rather more potential than it's given credit for. I'm always in the market for new mandolins so have already contacted Victor, even though I already own far too many! You have probably already come across Simon Mayor's excellent tutors for the instrument. You might also want to check out the Mandolin Cafe site which is almost as addictive as JMDL! www.mandolincafe.com. The message boards are great too. Best wishes, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:46:10 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Jonifest 2007 sign ups are READY to go!! On 13 Aug 2006, at 21:45, Michael Paz wrote: > YeHAAAAAAAAAA! A Joni gathering! I have signed up and am sending my > checks > tomorrow. Hope to see everyone there! I'm in. God knows how I'll do it, but I'm there. I have to be, I've paid a deposit. > As I mentioned a few days ago, Sarah, Jack's daughter asked if she > could > come so we are going to try and get her up there from school in > Iowa. I > would like to try and organize a tribute for Jack at this years > fest. Please > contact me if you have an interest in doing so. I would love see > some people > cover his songs (as I am sure he would) but you can do what ever > you would > like to do. I'd love to play some bass for whoever's covering whichever song of Jack's. Never did get to tell Jack, but I'd really love to have played for him properly sometime. This will be as close as I get, and I'll consider it an honour. - --Chris chrisAThatstand.org http://www.stryngs.com/ http://www.myspace.com/stryngs "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:36:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: mandolins anyone? (njc) I'm thinking about getting a mandolin, too. But I want one from that shop on Staten Island: http://www.jonimitchell.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=39 http://www.mandolinbrothers.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Martin Giles Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:08 PM To: Gertus@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) Hi Jacky Great to hear from you. I'll look out for the Simon Mayer tutors - thanks for the tip. I think I need something like that to give me some direction. A couple of years back I bought an octave mandola. I loved the sound, but found it was a real pig to play. After a while, it went back into its case, and when eventually I took it out again, I found that the neck had half broken off! Out of guarantee though, so it remains in that state. Now I've got this beginner's mandolin, which I'm getting to grips with. Hopefully, once I've got the mandolin going usefully, I might try and get the mandola repaired and see what I can get out of it. Just as a matter of interest - how many mandolins do you already own? :0) Martin. x ----- Original Message ----- From: Gertus@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Cc: mlg@ukonline.co.uk Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) In a message dated 13/08/2006 08:11:31 GMT Standard Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:58:35 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) Hi Victor. I'm not in the market for a mandolin at the moment, but I have just recently started to learn to play mandolin. I got a cheap one a couple of months back to see how I got on with it. Having fun - just beginning to get to grips with some scales by way of trying to learn some reels. Chords I'm finding harder. I've got a chord dictionary, but there's something about the many different versions of each chord that (more or less) fall into first position, that I haven't worked out which fingerings are the best to start with. I'm sure it'll come in time though. Hi Martin, How are you doing? Great to hear you are learning the mandolin. It's quite a strange little instrument but has rather more potential than it's given credit for. I'm always in the market for new mandolins so have already contacted Victor, even though I already own far too many! You have probably already come across Simon Mayor's excellent tutors for the instrument. You might also want to check out the Mandolin Cafe site which is almost as addictive as JMDL! www.mandolincafe.com. The message boards are great too. Best wishes, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:05:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Honk pics We just completed our weekend run of "Honk", a musical based on the Ugly Duckling story. Here's a couple of pics of yours truly singing, dancing and acting his way into your hearts: http://www.sjcatholicschool.org/school_news/event.php?name=honk&photo=29&total=29 http://www.sjcatholicschool.org/school_news/event.php?name=honk&photo=20&total=29 Bob, not giving up his day job NP: Rafael Jung Trio w/Britta Rex, "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:01:43 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: oregon trail -----Original Message----- Patti Witten wrote: Instead I was taking master classes in guitar and flute with Ralph Towner and Paul McCandless, of Oregon. The band held summer-long workshops at Naropa for many years ... I'm not name-dropping for sake of ego or trying to win fans or promote my music here. But I do want to say how significant and elemental these connections are to me. - ----------------------- You studied with the best. They really are two of the modern masters, with very personal, original voices. Like Joni. (And I've long fantasized about a Joni album using Oregon as the band.) By the way, you may not be name-dropping trying to win fans or promote your music here, but I have no shame ... if I don't do it, who else will? I've known Paul and Ralph for a long time, having played together in concert and in the studio on a number of occasions over the decades. They're both beautiful musicians and people, and I feel unbelievably lucky to count them as colleagues and friends ... very elemental connections, yes. - - Fred Simon ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #287 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------