From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 13 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 286 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Non-Dual Joni [Patti Witten ] Israel, njc ["XLSecurity02" ] seems like hier, njc ["XLSecurity02" ] "All I Want" is more Joni covers! ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Non-Dual Joni [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: daydreams and notches [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: "All I Want" is more Joni covers! (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Non-Dual Joni ["S.A. Feite" ] Re: Non-Dual Joni ["S.A. Feite" ] Re: Non-Dual Joni, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Non-Dual Joni, njc ["S.A. Feite" ] njc, Annie Leibovitz & John Lennon ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Non-Dual Joni ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow ["Lori F] Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) ["Martin Giles" ] Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow [Cather] joni mention [janine sherman ] Re: Israel, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:42:24 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni Steve wrote: > I was just doing some research for a one hour radio special I did > with radical Zen priest Kobutsu Malone here in Maine. Kobutsu, in > addition to being trained as a traditional Zen priest, was also a > line-holder from radical beat generation, 60's generation guru, > Chogyam Trungpa's lineage. I enjoyed your post very much. It's so like La Joan to rouse a Buddhist master from his final sleep in order to tell him why he was important to her (it's always all about Joni, eh?). But also privately amusing to me because, ahem, it's always all about *me.* In 1981 I spent 6 amazing weeks at Naropa Institute (Now Naropa University) in Boulder, CO. Trungpa Rinpoche founded Naropa and was in residence. I wasn't really interested in Zen or meditation back then. I was more interested in booze, men and poetry. But so were some of the teachers, like Alan Ginsberg! Anyway, I only saw Rinpoche at receptions and I didn't take any classes in in the Zen curriculum. Instead I was taking master classes in guitar and flute with Ralph Towner and Paul McCandless, of Oregon. The band held summer-long workshops at Naropa for many years. I was of course already a Joni devotee. These were my early 20s, years of risk and exploration. Only now, in my late 40s (just a few months short of 50) do I crave refuge. I'm not name-dropping for sake of ego or trying to win fans or promote my music here. But I do want to say how significant and elemental these connections are to me. Connections to music and art, struggle and reconciliation. Thanks, Steve, for the memories :) Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:08:26 +0200 From: "XLSecurity02" Subject: Israel, njc ALICE wrote: Laurent mentioned that Palestine was the only land mentioned in the bible, that's why the Jews had to claim it. Forgive me, and let me know if this is inappropriate BUT is in danger of becoming a religious state! In my opinion, religious indocrination leads people into a way of thinking and behaving that is not based in reality, or respect for humanity or the earth. This is insanity, and the behaviors of the religious that follow the dictates of violent, narcissistic gods that see humans as evil and in need if saving, send billions of people to unending toture in hell, kill people for small offenses, pour wrath on people who don't do it his way AND their children and children's children, etc and yet insist they are loving and demand worship, leads to insane, prejudiced, us-and-them, discompassionate, and irresponsible living. After all, "god will make it all better someday, all we have to do is believe at wait for him to put all the bad people in hell and then show all us believers his love in eternal bliss". This bullshit is killing the hearts, minds and bodies of the human race. All I can say is: STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alice Hi Alice, Actually I do agree with you, religion can bring the best and the worst in people. In the case of Jews however, they haven't had a country for 2000 years and therefore could not defend themselves when tortured, killed, etc, often in the name of OTHER RELIGIONS. Let us not forget how boats full of German Jews were denied permission to land anywhere including NYC and Palestine, and sent back to a certain death in Nazi Germany. Every government shut off immigration when Jews needed it most. So what it all boils down to is they wanted a homeland where a person could walk on the street with his or her head up high and not need to hide their faith anymore out of fear of being attacked or humiliated. Every religious group has a country in which it is the majority, so why would this be denied to the Jews? As I wrote earlier, Palestine was the only logical choice because of religious and historical ties, not Ouganda or Armenia or Kazakhstan. On my way to Spain so won't have internet till Wednesday Laurent So, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:08:26 +0200 From: "XLSecurity02" Subject: seems like hier, njc August 11 . . . Was it just one year ago that you were all landing in France for Jonifest and I was hitting the pavement outside Fenway Park after being struck down by a Boston driver? Have a nice fin de semaine, tout le monde. --Smurf Yo, and the french gang is all well, with fond memories of the event and all the wonderful people who showed up. Jean Yves would welcome it back. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:21:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: "All I Want" is more Joni covers! 1. I think Alanis wrote a song called "All I Want". I think Bob Dylan did too. What up with that? Does every A&R man assign that title as a germ for songwriting? 2. I borrowed John Coltrane's "Giant Steps" from the library this week. Holy Taylor Ham, is this a fine record. Thanks to Margaret and David Lahm and anyone else who has recommended Coltrane through all of The JMDL Years. I think Mags recommended "A Love Supreme", then David recommended "Monk & Coltrane Live at Carnegie Hall". They are all winners although maybe not as good as Boston III. heh heh All the best, Jim L. I don't know who said this, <> then Muller said, >Although college acapella has given us a LOT of Joni covers, this is not one. It's a Toad The Wet Sprocket cover. But thanks for the lead just the same. I definitely can't keep up all by myself.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:05:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "All I Want" is more Joni covers! > 1. I think Alanis wrote a song called "All I > Want". I think Bob Dylan did > too. What up with that? Well, Alanis sung "All I Really Want", a song written by Glen Ballard, and Dylan did "All I Really Want To Do" (and if I recall he doesn't need anyone to write for him), so you were pretty close, Jim. You're also correct in saying that there are a LOT of "All I Want" songs out there, most of which are NOT Joni covers. Among them: J.D. Souther (who has some history with Joni, no?), The Offspring, Gorcon Gano (Violent Femmes), Alan J. Lerner, Harry Casey (KC & The Sunshine Band), Steve Morse (Kansas), and so on and on. It certainly makes the search for "All I Want" covers a challenge. I wish she had titled all of her songs like those on HOSL...when you google "Shades of Scarlett Conquering" and "In France They Kiss On Main Street" you can pretty much bet that your results will be Joni-related. Then again, there are a couple of "Big Yellow Taxi" recordings, a couple of "Chelsea Morning" tracks, and even a "The Last Time I Saw Richard" that aren't Joni covers. I don't know if I should be happy or sad that I know all of this. Happy Saturday, fellow Joni fans! Bob NP: Ani, "A Spade" (from her newly released 'Reprieve' and up to her always-high standards. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:24:35 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni Steve wrote: Once one is certain about this non-dual state, one could take *refuge* in *anything*. Traditionally it would be the path, the road to enlightenment. But when one resides in the non-dual state, one could take *anything* as the path, even traveling on the open road. After all, "it's all *you*." Hi Steve, Welcome to the list! I enjoyed your post. When I read your post what came to my mind was, "we are hopelessly oppressed cowards, of some duality, of restless multiplicity" from Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Contemplating these lyrics of Joni's, although she's perhaps speaking about Americans in particular, I wonder if there is any difference between the Visishtadwaita dualism and the Adwaita non-dualism? Perhaps no matter how enlightened we "are", we still "see" with our limitations similar to the way we "see" light as everywhere (non-dual) rather than seeing how it is constantly traveling between two points (dual). Why is there exclusion... separation to conceive of a lack of separation or unity, reality to conceive of illusion? That is a question I've contemplated for most of my life. In order for non-duality experience to be conveyed, noticed, and/or spoken of, duality is conceived of concomitantly. Our little experiencers and communicators seem to work by comparing and contrasting. In order to convey, we paint pictures using lights and darks and shapes and sizes just like our environment. And as we have seemingly evolved, our is syntax has emerged, a picture with an auditory component which is something Joni uses so masterfully. Meaningful prosody - song. Parkinson's patients lose utterance prosody but some still have the comprehension of prosody. Could this possibly be enlightenment for them? You also mentioned a friend saying about Joni that "she clearly had a hard time not over-thinking things." On what scale? Smile. Thanks for the enlightenment. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:46:51 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: daydreams and notches Jamie wrote: "The line that always confuses me is 'It's all a dream she has awake' never made grammatical sense to me but I know what she means, like she's elliding two senses 'she has waken herself' and 'she has awoken the dream' " I read it as "It's all a daydream". That is, it's all a dream she has (while) awake. Now, in re Don't Interrupt the Sorrow - I gave up on trying to make sense of that lyric pretty much right away. Perhaps I was correct to do so. For example, in the liner notes (which contain at least 1 typo and 2 suspicious entries), the author opines: "The whole unfolded like a mystery. It is not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone but....The poem, "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" was born around 4 a.m. in a New York loft. Larry Poons seeded it and Bobby Neuwirth was midwife here, but the child, filtered thru Genesis at Jackfish Lake, Saskatchewan, is rebellious and mystical and insists that its conception was immaculate.......I would especially like to thank....Helpful Henry The Housewife's Delight" So there. I'm not so sure the punctuation is necessarily consistent as published (or that the conception was entirely immaculate). For example, might it not have been written (with quotation marks): "In flames" our prophet witches "Be polite" Note that the command "you be polite" does appear later in the lyric, in quotes. Maybe Joni meant ""notch is" and later forgot. Don't ask her...... :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:46:54 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: "All I Want" is more Joni covers! (NJC) Bob wrote: <> But he definitely *does* need someone to *sing* for him!!! Hugs, Ashara (Richard and Les, you *know* I couldn't resist this one!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:40:28 -0400 From: "S.A. Feite" Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni Thanks Patti, and others who responded off list: On Aug 12, 2006, at 7:42 AM, Patti Witten wrote: > Steve wrote: > >> I was just doing some research for a one hour radio special I did >> with radical Zen priest Kobutsu Malone here in Maine. Kobutsu, in >> addition to being trained as a traditional Zen priest, was also a >> line-holder from radical beat generation, 60's generation guru, >> Chogyam Trungpa's lineage. > > I enjoyed your post very much. It's so like La Joan to rouse a > Buddhist > master from his final sleep in order to tell him why he was > important to her > (it's always all about Joni, eh?). Pretty ballsy, huh? > > But also privately amusing to me because, ahem, it's always all > about *me.* Oh well there's that natural projection thang Trungpa often railed on. > > In 1981 I spent 6 amazing weeks at Naropa Institute (Now Naropa > University) > in Boulder, CO. Trungpa Rinpoche founded Naropa and was in > residence. I > wasn't really interested in Zen or meditation back then. I was more > interested in booze, men and poetry. But so were some of the > teachers, like > Alan Ginsberg! Yeah I knew Alan. He always seemed to approach from behind... > Anyway, I only saw Rinpoche at receptions and I didn't take > any classes in in the Zen curriculum. Instead I was taking master > classes in > guitar and flute with Ralph Towner and Paul McCandless, of Oregon. Wow, I love Ralph's 12-string work, he just simply one of the masters of that instrument. > The band > held summer-long workshops at Naropa for many years. I was of > course already > a Joni devotee. These were my early 20s, years of risk and > exploration. Only > now, in my late 40s (just a few months short of 50) do I crave > refuge. I'm > not name-dropping for sake of ego or trying to win fans or promote > my music > here. But I do want to say how significant and elemental these > connections > are to me. Connections to music and art, struggle and reconciliation. Well there are certainly many connections out there to follow. I don't know if Dharmapolooza is still being held in Boulder or not, but it's a great in for the performing musician to hang with the finest (Ken Wilber's best friend, Zen practitioner Stuart Davis used to run the thing). Maybe it went belly up. I always run into different artists and celebs at retreats, which I go on one, one week teaching retreat a year, minimum. I remember one time I was at this outdoor retreat and everyone was deferring to this guy in our group as if he was someone of note, but I'll be damned if I could place him. Turned out to be John Densmore, the *drummer* for the Doors. Hell, if it'd been Robby Kreiger or Ray Manzarek I'd have recognized him right away. But yeah it's a cool scene with incredible outer and inner creativity: Inner Revolution as Thurman calls it. > > Thanks, Steve, for the memories :) Gladly. - -S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:40:11 -0400 From: "S.A. Feite" Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:24 AM, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Steve wrote: > > Once one is certain about this non-dual state, one could take > *refuge* in *anything*. Traditionally it would be the path, the road > to enlightenment. But when one resides in the non-dual state, one > could take *anything* as the path, even traveling on the open road. > After all, "it's all *you*." > > Hi Steve, > > Welcome to the list! I enjoyed your post. > > When I read your post what came to my mind was, "we are > hopelessly oppressed cowards, of some duality, of restless > multiplicity" from Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Nice. Experiential samsara theme. She knows it well and she knows it first hand. > > Contemplating these lyrics of Joni's, although she's perhaps > speaking about Americans in particular, I wonder if there is any > difference between the Visishtadwaita dualism and the Adwaita non- > dualism? Perhaps no matter how enlightened we "are", we still > "see" with our limitations similar to the way we "see" light as > everywhere (non-dual) rather than seeing how it is constantly > traveling between two points (dual). Yes there is a difference. In dualistic styles of enlightenment, one still remains permanently "awake" yet it's mostly an internal awakening, the outer world is still held as separate. > > Why is there exclusion... separation to conceive of a lack of > separation or unity, reality to conceive of illusion? That is a > question I've contemplated for most of my life. In order for non- > duality experience to be conveyed, noticed, and/or spoken of, > duality is conceived of concomitantly. It's just wholeness, you realize it was always there, just obscured. The sun is always shining, even if obscured by clouds. The thing is, true Unity is inclusive of opposites--it's not just "this" and not "that"--and so therefore to describe Unity, paradox is often needed to point out it's fullness and it's "unbounded wholeness". One of the things I shared offlist was that one of the the ways this manifests experientially at first, is that one *sees* (has visionary, open eyed insight) multiplicity and diversity as a vast net, or web, which we are connected to. The clear experience of this is hiddden in the phrase: The nets were overflowing In the Gulf of Mexico They were overflowing in the refuge of the roads And overflow it does. Once awakened at the heart, it literally overflows the heart and out the eyes into the "world". Reminds me of the "Dakini net". > > Our little experiencers and communicators seem to work by > comparing and contrasting. In order to convey, we paint pictures > using lights and darks and shapes and sizes just like our > environment. And as we have seemingly evolved, our is syntax has > emerged, a picture with an auditory component which is something > Joni uses so masterfully. Meaningful prosody - song. Parkinson's > patients lose utterance prosody but some still have the > comprehension of prosody. Could this possibly be enlightenment for > them? Hmmm. It's very interesting to me, because she *also* clearly broaches the topic that is usually referred to by Tibetan yogis as "correcting from the State", in other words, you had the initial experience of your "Original Face" and then you *correct from it*, usually from some sort of mental anal-ysis. She put's it thusly: There was spring along the ditches There were good times in the cities Oh radiant happiness It was all so light and easy Till I started analyzing And I brought on my old ways A thunderhead of judgment was Gathering in my gaze And it made most people nervous They just didn't want to know What I was seeing in the refuge of the roads Wow. So perfectly described. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, the tattoo and the tension back. > > You also mentioned a friend saying about Joni that "she clearly > had a hard time not over-thinking things." On what scale? Smile. I'd have to ask him. Apparently when they met with the Brujo, apparently she just wouldn't stop with the thinking and questions to the point where it was annoying most there, who had already "got it". > > Thanks for the enlightenment. > :-) Thank You, - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:16 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni, njc In a message dated 8/12/2006 11:23:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, sfeite@earthlink.net writes: The thing is, true Unity is inclusive of opposites Hi Steve, So "true Unity" includes true disunity. But that would make it nonexistent existence... kind of like non-dual joni with no joni content. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:19:43 -0400 From: "S.A. Feite" Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni, njc Hi Laura: It's transparently empty, so no it would not be. It's lively emptiness in form and emptiness, simultaneously. Once you have the experience and can identify it, she should be able to repeat it at will, as long as she's not over-intellectualizing. Experientially how this is, is probably beyond the scope of this list. Ideally it would be carried into all states of consciousness and over time mentation diminishes, but becomes much mor epowerful. But you'll be able to still perform action, just in a totally effortless effort. - -Steve On Aug 12, 2006, at 1:41 PM, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/2006 11:23:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, > sfeite@earthlink.net writes: > The thing is, true Unity is inclusive of opposites > > Hi Steve, > > So "true Unity" includes true disunity. But that would make it > nonexistent existence... kind of like non-dual joni with no joni > content. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:01:36 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Annie Leibovitz & John Lennon Happy Saturday! Sorry for all my complaining yesterday about Lieberman....but it's my party and I'll cry if I want to. You would cry, too, if it happened to YOU! Trying like crazy to get away from the Traitor Joe news that surrounds me here in this state that has become a political battleground, I saw this while catching up on my newspaper reading. Reading the news and it's not ALL bad.... Photographer Leibovitz Gets Her Own Portrait August 7, 2006 By ROGER CATLIN, Courant TV Critic Photographer Annie Leibovitz, subject of an upcoming "American Masters" portrait by her sister, Barbara Leibovitz, flew in especially for a press session in Pasadena, where she was asked about her most famous image: A naked John Lennon curled around his clothed wife, Yoko Ono. "The John Lennon and Yoko Ono is probably the most famous," Leibovitz said. "And famous because he was murdered the same day it was taken - as Yoko said, four or five hours later. So it's a photograph that totally changes the message when John died." It capped a decade of her work with the ex-Beatle for Rolling Stone, starting with her first major cover for the publication, shot when she was still a teenager illustrating the famous "Lennon Remembers" interview in 1970. "I met him, and I was like a kid," Leibovitz says of Lennon. "I was 19, 20 years old. And, you know, he was The Beatles. He was one of the very first people that I was enamored with. And he set the tone for me for the rest of my career, because he was so easy to work with, and he was so supportive. He was kind." "And the same thing happened that day," she says, referring to the day he died. "He said, `Oh, Annie, we'll figure it out. Come on.' The Leibovitz portrait, still untitled, debuts this fall on the PBS series "American Masters." - -------- Oh, John. Do we ever miss you! But this show is something to look forward to amid the war and the bloody changes. Annie Leibovitz makes me think of our Cassy, and then of Joni. (Hi Cassy!) She sent me AL's book of photographs "Women" last spring and it it a treasure. Especially, of course, the picture of Joni. Here's what I wrote about it back in April: ".........But of course it is the photograph of Joni that steals the show pour moi! How can I do it justice? You have to see it for yourselves, of course, if you haven't yet. Next time you're in a bookstore, check it out. "Women" by Annie Leibowitz, with a great essay by Susan Sontag. If you want to experience it first on your own, stop reading now. Joni's photo takes up two pages (pp. 216 and 217). To me, it conjures up the photo on the cover of the novel "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" (duality!). It is a rather dark photograph. Joni is sitting on a round stone fountain, surrounded by lush but dark greenery. She is wearing and is draped in dark clothing. Only her face and her impossibly gentle hands are illuminated, and of course one of her hands holds a cigarette, although there is not much left to it. Her face shows the wisdom of the ages -- the hope and hopelessness she's witnessed nearly 60 years (the book came out in 1999, I believe). The look on her face says to me: "There's comfort in melancholy." Thank you again, Cassy. I treasure this gift -- and you. And you know...." Okay, c'est tout pour le moment. I'm racing away to see the Allman Brothers in a few minutes. Seems appropriate since I feel like I've been tied to a whipping post, being called "anti-security" and an "anti-war goof." Sheesh! Love, Patti P. P.S. Beautiful weather here in New England....the wind is in from Canada and and last night I could sleep! it's bright and crisp with a blue blue sky. Oh, Canada.....thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:15:37 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2007 sign ups are READY to go!! Thanks to the AMAZING Mr. Les Irvin, the Jonifest webpages are updated and the sign ups are ready to go!! For anyone new to Jonifest, there are pages of information and FAQ's (Frequently asked questions) on the Jonifest pages. For those of you that have been to Jonifest before, the fabulous news is that most prices are over 10% BELOW the prices of 3 YEARS AGO!!! YAY!!! And everyone, please note that there is NO camping or yurt availability that time of year, so once the rooms fill, which I expect it to do very quickly, I will start a waiting list. Once again, there will be a logo contest that will be announced sometime after the 18th, so start your creative juices flowing! If you have any questions about Jonifest, e-mail me privately and I will get back to you after the 18th. So...head over to: _www.jonifest.com_ (http://www.jonifest.com/) and sign up TODAY!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:17:27 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni, njc In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:20:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, sfeite@earthlink.net writes: It's transparently empty, so no it would not be. It's lively emptiness in form and emptiness, simultaneously. Once you have the experience and can identify it, she should be able to repeat it at will, as long as she's not over-intellectualizing. Experientially how this is, is probably beyond the scope of this list. Ideally it would be carried into all states of consciousness and over time mentation diminishes, but becomes much mor epowerful. But you'll be able to still perform action, just in a totally effortless effort. Hi Steve, I've heard of this happening out by the pool at Full Moon during the transparently empty hours of the night by JMDLers, simultaneously, so I don't think it is beyond the scope of this list. Please bring some with you if you come to the next fest. I know there will be a lot of she's there, including some long haired men who know who they are, who won't bother you with over intellectualizing if you share. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: notches, liberation and dolls sjc could "liberation doll "is a slang for 'feminist' (I buy that one ;-)); and the notches, well, either she aint gettin kicked out of bed for crumbs or else notches represent a score, (and i'm not talking football ;-))) i love this subject, it tickles me to know that it gets such a rise out of the list. shared jack's music today with a dear friend, nice way to begin a rainy saturday in winnipeg. mags, np: there, there. ... none other than delicious moody radiohead, hail to the theif. ;-) nr: the myth of you and me, leah stewart pr: the history of love, nicole krauss - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:13:51 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Non-Dual Joni Greetings to you Steve and thank you for your perspective on Refuge of the Roads. It took me years to get this song - now I consider it to be one of Joni's finest and most ``spiritual`` songs. The Travelogue version is also very beautiful. Cheers, Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:07:13 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Told ya before, and I'll say it again. It's ... "Your notch is liberation, doll." ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:58:35 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: mandolins anyone? (njc) Hi Victor. I'm not in the market for a mandolin at the moment, but I have just recently started to learn to play mandolin. I got a cheap one a couple of months back to see how I got on with it. Having fun - just beginning to get to grips with some scales by way of trying to learn some reels. Chords I'm finding harder. I've got a chord dictionary, but there's something about the many different versions of each chord that (more or less) fall into first position, that I haven't worked out which fingerings are the best to start with. I'm sure it'll come in time though. Martin. In London. > Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:12:59 -0400 > From: Victor Johnson > Subject: mandolins anyone? (njc) > > I spoke with my friend and luthier, Mark Richard, the other day about > having him build me a guitar and he told me he probably wouldn't be > able to start right away as he is in the process of making six > mandolins. They are being made out of walnut though I think there > might be some maple in them...I can't remember. Anyway, his > instruments are the most beautiful I have ever seen and definately > give Taylor, Martin, and Larivee a run for their money. If anyone is > looking for a really good mandolin let me know and I will let him > know. His instruments not only look beautiful but have a gorgeous > tone as well and they usually have their own case made from the same > wood, designed to give them a perfect fit. I am not sure of how much > they will run but I know it would be at least a grand, perhaps 1500. > Also, if anyone wants a custom made guitar holler as well but you'll > have to get inline behind me...lol > > I'll be seeing him at the 18th Labor day Boogie and Georgia Reunion, > the festival I went to for several years before taking a couple of > years off for jonifest. Just lots of camping, picking, grinning, > eating, drinking...etc. > > cheers, > > Victor > > NP: Peter Gabriel - Secret World (live) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Told ya before, and I'll say it again. It's ... > > "Your notch is liberation, doll." > > ; ) > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA > I think it's, "Your nachos, Liberace? D'oh!" Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: janine sherman Subject: joni mention Hello all, I recently returned to the home of my youth in Ohio. My father passed away after a tough bout with a brain tumor the last months. It has been a difficult time. I was relaxing at home and found a new magazine of my mom's called Family Circle or something like that. The last page has an article about Sela Ward and her kids. She says her kids make fun of her because her iPod is loaded with "Joni Mitchell" or something like that. Even in the grief of the moment, I had to nod and thank Joni for touching so many of us. All the best, Janine NP: Memories Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 04:36:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Israel, njc I don't usually comment on political posts and this will probably be my only one. I have been thinking about this for a while...thinking about Israel, thinking about this whole escalation between Lebannon and Israel, thinking about those who were about to blow up planeloads of people on their way from the U.K. to the U.S. and feeling justified doing so...wanting to deliberately kill as many innocent people as possible...thinking about why everyone hates Israel so...I am confused and I don't understand. The world has gone mad and I need to know why. The sky is purple because everyone says it is.., War is hell and I know that the deaths of these 1000 Lebanese people is a tragedy. There is no other way to look at it. But I also remember incident after incident of suicide bombers making their way into Israel killing innocent people too. I have to speak because this horror has worked both ways. Everyone has suffered. Lest we forget, there are no winners here on either side. There are no winners...everyone loses whenever life is taken. My final question is how to we stop terrorism? What is the magic word that will make all of this cease? Has anyone found it yet? While we take sides and sheaths against each other, does anyone have the answer? Terrorism is the real enemy here and this madness has to stop. No one has the right to deliberately terrorize another human being and blow them up because someone's foreign policy pissed them off. For whatever reason the world has gone mad and the emperor has on no clothes. Up is down and down is up...and I don't understand.... Regretfully, Sherelle Sherelle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #286 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------