From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #278 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 6 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 278 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Connecticut primary, njc [Bob Muller ] Heard from Nuri njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: heard the news and it sure looks bad.... [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Anomaly ["P. Henry" ] njc, Fighting for Freedom ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: A blooper anyone ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: $1.50 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Third-hand Joni news ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Third-hand Joni news [Bob Muller ] Re: Third-hand Joni news ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Connecticut primary, njc Happy Saturday, Marianne & all, The two interesting things about this primary: 1. Lamont has been running as anti-war - if he scores a victory it should give encouragement to other anti-quagmire candidates to step up and speak their convictions. 2. Lamont has gained lots of traction through netroots campaigning (bloggers and other internet resources). Not that he's the first - Dean went a long way with using the 'net for promotion and fund-raising, but Lamont's campaign has seemed more visible to me. Democrats or Repubs - it's high time for incumbents to go unless they have differentiated themselves from the pack of sel-serving cronies we have now. Bob NP: Kai Jansen, "Both Sides Now" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:40:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Heard from Nuri njc Rosie, The sirens started singing again so i have only few seconds to write, find my jeans and then take shelter before the missiles land and explode. Please FW this email to the group and let everyone know that i'm still alive and that i can understand why this fact worries them. I'll do my best to post the list once i've swept the pieces of broken glass (aka "windows" in other parts of the world) off the floor and i'm able to find my spectacles. Guy, my mate and partner for the last 13 years, got arrested by the police after demonstrating against the war. Despite the scary fact that he's the only member of the local peace movement who has to spend this weekend in a cell (the other dude managed to escape), i still find it pleasing to have the house for myself, where i can finaly wake up with a start and scream in panic for help without being told that i'm acting like my mother. I only wish he had a TV with him so he could enjoy the live broadcast of the enchanting Keren Ann, who took the first flight to our beloved state the moment she heard that the carnival started, singing "Big Yellow Taxi" to our good old air-force boys and teaching them the "Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop" part of the chorus right before and right after they killed those kids in Lebanon. I was so proud of her and the boys and so inspired that now everytime i hear a child was killed i start singing it. The city is simply lovely these days, especially since all the citizens (except us and that crazy old lady that sells bagels downtown) have left it in a rush 3 weeks ago, and for the first time in my life i realized that without humans blocking the sound waves, i can scream for help in panic from the balcony and actually hear it echoing back at me from the other side of town. The beach was never cleaner and it makes me happy to know that the jellyfish can finally sweem freely without being bothered by those awful children and their mums. Sometimes, when i stop to think about all the dreadful things that are happening now, i sink into a dark depression. Last week i even told my psychiatirst that due to the state of the world i keep thinking about suicide, but the only thing he told me was that from now on i have to pay him in advance. I even called the 24/7 free help-line service, but when my mother-in-law answered it, i immediately hung up the phone. I don't want to die in this war because i'm an atheist and i don't want to be all dressed up with no place to go. In case you don't hear from me by the end of next week, make sure that your anti-virus is upgraded before you jump into conclusions and say Kadish. In case you don't hear from me ever again, that would probably mean that chain smoking does, after all, kill. What scares me the most is the fact that this situation can easily turn into a war with Iran and that scientists have recently conceded that if there were a nuclear war, all that would remain are cockroaches and the Bush family. I wish i could chat with you longer, but i'm afraid that i've just heard several strange boom-like sounds in my erea and so i must run back to the shelter before the valium kicks in or i'd fall asleep and be taken again by those aliens that seem to have a great interest in my genetics. I do, however, hope that in case i die, it would happen before they reach a peace agreement, not only because i never believed in peace untill it has been officialy denied, but because i know that if peace is restored to the holyland i would have to die with tourists. I still pray that this war would end already because i don't think that i can stand this euphoria any longer. Hugs, Your friend, Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: heard the news and it sure looks bad.... Rose wrote: "Nuri, If you are out there please let us know that you are ok?!? Everyone is so worried about you. hugs, rosie" Rosie, The sirens started singing again so i have only few seconds to write, find my jeans and then take shelter before the missiles land and explode. I'll FW this email to the group and let everyone know that i'm still alive and that i can understand why this fact worries them. I'll do my best to post the list once i've swept the pieces of broken glass (aka "windows" in other parts of the world) off the floor and i'm able to find my spectacles. Guy, my mate and partner for the last 13 years, got arrested by the police after demonstrating against the war. Despite the scary fact that he's the only member of the local peace movement who has to spend this weekend in a cell (the other dude managed to escape), i still find it pleasing to have the house for myself, where i can finally wake up with a start and scream in panic for help without being told that i'm acting like my mother. I only wish he had a TV with him so he could enjoy the live broadcast of the enchanting Keren Ann, who took the first flight to our beloved state the moment she heard that the carnival started, singing "Big Yellow Taxi" to our good old air-force boys and teaching them the "Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop" part of the chorus right before and right after they killed those kids in Lebanon. I was so proud of her and the boys and so inspired that now everytime i hear a child was killed i start singing it. The city is simply lovely these days, especially since all the citizens (except us and that crazy old lady that sells bagels downtown) have left it in a rush 3 weeks ago, and for the first time in my life i realized that without humans blocking the sound waves, i can scream for help in panic from the balcony and actually hear it echoing back at me from the other side of town. The beach was never cleaner and it makes me happy to know that the jellyfish can finally sweem freely without being bothered by those awful children and their mums. Sometimes, when i stop to think about all the dreadful things that are happening now, i sink into a dark depression. Last week i even told my psychiatirst that due to the state of the world i keep thinking about suicide, but the only thing he told me was that from now on i have to pay him in advance. I even called the 24/7 free help-line service, but when my mother-in-law answered it, i immediately hung up the phone. I don't want to die in this war because i'm an atheist and i don't want to be all dressed up with no place to go. In case you don't hear from me by the end of next week, make sure that your anti-virus is upgraded before you jump into conclusions and say Kadish. In case you don't hear from me ever again, that would probably mean that chain smoking does, after all, kill. What scares me the most is the fact that this situation can easily turn into a war with Iran and that scientists have recently conceded that if there were a nuclear war, all that would remain are cockroaches and the Bush family. I wish i could chat with you longer, but i'm afraid that i've just heard several strange boom-like sounds in my erea and so i must run back to the shelter before the valium kicks in or i'd fall asleep and be taken again by those aliens that seem to have a great interest in my genetics. I do, however, hope that in case i die, it would happen before they reach a peace agreement becuase i never believed in peace untill it has been officialy denied, and because i know that if peace is restored to the holyland i would have to die with tourists. I still pray that this war would end already because i don't think i can stand this euphoria any longer. Hugs, Your friend, Nuri Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:52:16 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Fighting for Freedom BRAVO, Alice!! Great post!!! Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 06:36:52 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Anomaly Hi Jim, Jim wrote: > Not me. I was going to middle school and delivering the afternoon newspaper when she was doing coffeehouses. Maybe Marcel saw her in a coffeehouse. How ya doin' old pal? "delivering the AFTERNOON newspaper"?!? You were one of the smart ones. I had many jobs in my adolescence, but never a paper route. I do remember going with my brother on his once, just to keep him company. Had to get up at 4:30 in the morning and walk all over in the coldest Michigan snow you ever saw. ...not for me. LoL! Yes, I seem to recall that Marcel saw her at a college concert in Ontario once. I may be mistaken though. > There are only about 2 dozen people who participate on this list of 800 anyway and many people come and go like Catgirl. Then there are those who > dropped out like Julie Z. Webb. ...or people like me who lurk mostly and pop up only once in a blue moon. > David Crosby saw her in a coffee house. And who was that woman in the > pbs special, Marla? You're not alone, Pat. You're just in select > company, eh? Ya think? Hoowee! Not even once removed! I'd still be reeling from it if all I'd ever experienced was seeing her perform live back then... but to have known her, (and Chuck) to have hung out, shared burgers and laughs, talked and shared personal stuff, *played music together*?! As I just posted re: my new gallery profile pic, we even shared our Martins! Wow, it's hard to come up with adjectives that do justice... "Amazing good fortune" is about the best I can do with my limited vocabulary. > Have you heard that song that goes?: >>Still the pleasure was worth the pain >>of everything she put me through >>An' I consider myself >>One of the fortunate few. "Fortunate few" Oh yeah! Very well put. In fact that's just who I'm looking for and I just have a really hard time accepting that Cul Heath and I (Brian I invited) are the only ones who, of hundreds of people, probably upwards of a couple thousand or so if you include audiences, who, with the advent of the web, went and typed "Joni Mitchell" into a search engine and came, naturally, to JM.com and to JMDL. ...but then it *has* been a looooonnnggg time since the pre-STAS days. I guess I'm just measuring others with my own yardstick, as usual. Heck, the first time I posted here was back in '96 when it was still "Joni Mitchell Cafe" before it became a list. > I think you should re-write "I Had A King", about your long lost friend, Joan Anderson. Wow, Jim, it's like you're reading my mind. Re: long lost friend ya know, in this 'mobile society' we live in, we all have separated from friends and lost contact for one reason or another when our lives took different turns but how do you deal with it when one day you're hanging out together, jamming and laughing together, and the next she's a freaking superstar with David Crosby producing her album and Stephen Stills backing her up on bass?! Another thing about old friends you know how you get used to a friends laughter? Well, Joni has such a distinctive, infectious laugh, the kind you can pick out in a crowd in a heartbeat, and she was such a joker and not shy about laughing at her own quips, I might add, and now, whenever I hear her in an interview, well I hope you know what Im trying to say. Its funny you thought of "I Had A King". As I once posted a long time ago, of the times Joni and I just hung out and talked one of the most vivid memories I have came soon after she and Chuck started getting bookings separately. I remember she said that it had started due to requests from venues for her without him. (of course) She also told me then that because of their current bookings they wouldnt be in the same location or see one another for a whole year. Imagine how it hit me when about a year later I went out and bought STAS and heard: There's no one to blame No there's no one to name as a traitor here The king's on the road And the queen's in the grove till the end of the year In fact the whole song was all about facts I was privy to. I still think it was one of the best songs she ever wrote. warmest regards, Pat ps - I'm attaching a copy of the pic of my D28 that's a little larger than the one posted so you can get a better look. NP - Cowgirl in the sand - Neil Young [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Picture_guitar.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:46:45 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Fighting for Freedom Welcome, Alice! I love what you wrote: "To sum up my strategy for world peace, freedom and happiness: All people must seek first to get the help they need in order to posess the self-esteem, personal power, and wisdom that they need to live happy, loving, free lives. Then these healthy people need to begin to love, nurture and teach others how to achieve this. Then these groups of healthy people need to nurture, educate, and support the people of other countries in their quest for freedom and happiness." Applause, applause! Life is our cause! "....Go ask Alice I think she'll know When logic and proportion Have fallen softly dead..." Seriously, though, you make perfect sense. It's all so simple, really. Why don't people get it? I went to a lecture a few years ago at UConn given by a member of UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization). The title of the lecture was something like "Culture of War vs. Culture of Peace." All of us in the audience gave answers for each category that the speaker (sorry, I can't remember his name) wrote on the whiteboard. The "Culture of Peace" side of the board sounded a lot like what you just said. You remind me of one of my favorite Einstein quotes: "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." And something my dear Dad said last year: "We are bringing you democracy, and if you don't want it, we'll KILL you!" It just doesn't work that way, does it? Sigh. The damage we are doing just totally boggles the mind. I don't know people can stand for this. But I do feel the winds of change in the air, right in my own backyard. I am working hard in the trenches for Ned Lamont here in CT and Tuesday is our day to show the world that enough is enough. "Something is happening here" and I will be back soon to tell you all about it. I'm heading back over to headquarters. We're shaking our fists at Lieberman now -- we're going to roar like forest fire! Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:16:14 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: A blooper anyone ? Dave Blackburn wrote: "Thanks to all who contributed on this thread. There were some elaborate and strenuous defenses of that "A Case of You" line with "afraid" tacked on the end by some very thoughtful and educated people and I think the verdict is in: we don't question scripture :)" I know it's late (but it's never too late around here). I do not know if this was mentioned during the thread, but I was listening to the Joni/James BBC concert from 1970 (the version Bob Muller sent to me with the "extensions" - was ACOY an encore, or outtakes ?). In that version, Joni sings "and I'm drawn to those ones that a'int" without adding "afraid". So, it seems clear to me that Joni deliberately added the word 'afraid' at the time of recording in early 1971. No doubt she had her reasons, and I'm sure they were all fine. ;-) Bobsart PS - James' guitar playing from that concert on A Case of You and California was much more unrestrained than the arrangements that Joni selected ("held him to ?") on Blue. Really fun stuff, IMO. Still, from an artistic point of view, I suspect that Joni may have judged that such extensive virtuosity probably distracted from the emotion she considered to be the focus of the songs. Even California is a bittersweet song, not a playful romp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:30:51 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: $1.50 A recent post said "Dude! Where the heck have you been? Ah, for the days when you could see Joni for $1.50!" You mean, they charged the people a dollar and a half just to see her ? Then "Ah, yes, mi amigo... those WERE the days! ...but actually, it was $1.25!!!" see antique ad: http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/" Not even a dollar and a half - and, they misspelled her last name. Maybe the discount was for the missing "L". Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:02:16 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Third-hand Joni news >>Guess what. I stayed 4 days in Vancouver Canada with some people who knows >>Joni Mitchell well and had her for supper few weeks ago ... > >Man, you scared me for a second-I thought those confounded >cannibals got to her! LOL Randy! Ha ha! I guess I'm so used to hanging out with non-native English speakers (I work in the Dept. of Modern and Classical Languages) that I didn't even read it that way. I just find it so charming and endearing when people make these little mistakes. You can't revoke their souls for trying to speak another language! Sometimes I gently correct them (and they, me, when I try French and German and Spanish and Italian). Some of the grad students call me the "Professor of Prepositions" (I well up with affection then). They are hard to master in another language. But back to Joni, can you imagine having dinner with her? OMG! Fresh salmon frying and the tide rolling in? Seventeen glasses of Rhine wine, or Singapore Slings? Marrow bones or gristle, with or without gravy? Winn Dixie cold cuts? I think I would be so tongue-tied that I'd just stare a hole in my scrambled eggs! >Interesting story, though-- she has had land up near Vancouver >for many years, right? So she is buying more?...maybe someday >she will have the last trees and she can charge a dollar and a half >just to see 'em. >RR Or eighteen bucks, only to go up in smoke! Would she accept credit-card eyes in payment? Love, Patti P., just another silly girl when JMOCD makes a fool of me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Third-hand Joni news > >Interesting story, though-- she has had land > up near Vancouver > >for many years, right? So she is buying > more?...maybe someday > >she will have the last trees and she can > charge a dollar and a half > >just to see 'em. Well, she's doing her part to protect her property from short-sighted businessmen, as witnessed in this article from June 29: "Opponents have sent a 2,600-name petition -- including the signature of renowned singer-songwriter and Sechelt resident Joni Mitchell -- to the federal government asking for a "full comprehensive study" of the social, economic and environmental impacts of the Sechelt Carbonate Project before any permits are granted." The whole article: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=5176076a-194a-427f-9827-67d2362d3883&p=1 Bob NP: Lisa Yves, "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" PS: Glad to see you back, Patti! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:06:15 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Third-hand Joni news From: "Patti Parlette" > Guess what. I stayed 4 days in Vancouver Canada with some people who knows > Joni Mitchell well and had her for supper few weeks ago ... Man, you scared me for a second-I thought those confounded cannibals got to her! Interesting story, though-- she has had land up near Vancouver for many years, right? So she is buying more?...maybe someday she will have the last trees and she can charge a dollar and a half just to see 'em. RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #278 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------