From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #269 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 28 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 269 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- poetical correctness{ was RE: A blooper anyone?} ["Kate Bennett" ] a blooper anyone? [Victor Johnson ] Re: a blooper anyone? [Smurf ] Re: a blooper anyone? ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Cell tower: ugly but not dangerous, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Fw: Cell tower: ugly but not dangerous, njc ["ron" ] Re: Song for Sharon [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] grief and jack and joni and a box of paints sjc [mags h ] CSNY ["Randy Remote" ] Pat Metheny Group - PMG Companion, Vol II (njc) ["Jim Leonard" Subject: poetical correctness{ was RE: A blooper anyone?} Well I very much agree... when I am writing with an instrument another force takes over & dictates how the song goes or turns or ends... if I am in sync it is not an intellectual process... sometimes we tend to get intellectual when dissecting songs but the process is generally far from that... if we're lucky! Kate www.katebennett.com >Point 2: Joni is writing song lyrics. "I'm draw to those ones that ain't afraid" is dictated by the music, and the lyrics are dependent on the music. It wouldn't sound right without "afraid." She's not writing in iambic pentameter. And it works. It's a song, not a poem. Joni writes songs, not poems (regardless of what Camille Paglia says). Great songs. There's not a wasted word in "A Case of You" nor a wasted note. Curmudgeonly yours Professor Flynn< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:59:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Another clip: "The Beginning" '66-'67 from WOHAM Sweet...thanks pat...lucky lucky you... >This is naturally my favorite segment of Joni's history. When we wuz pals. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F600D9D926600BC5< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:43:23 +1200 From: Rebecca Blundell Subject: Joni Mitchell series on Radio New Zealand's Concert FM Hi everyone This is a bit of shameless self-promotion, but there's a 6 part Joni Mitchell Composer of the Week series on Concert FM, Radio New Zealand's fine (read mostly classical) music network, beginning 9am this Sunday 30 July NZ time. The first programme is repeated on Monday night at 7pm and is an overview of Joni's musical life featuring musical excerpts. Then each morning Monday - Friday (31 July - 4 August) at 9am there are 5 programmes which move through Joni's career chronologically, featuring a lot of music from Joni's recordings. If anyone wants to listen in, Concert FM streams live on the net - - here's the link: http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/live/concert If you want to know more about what's in the programmes, go to the schedules page http://www.radionz.co.nz/cfm/schedules, click on each day individually and scroll to 9am to read more about what's on each day. If you do get a chance to listen in, I hope you enjoy it :) Rebecca Blundell (writer and presenter of the programmes and big Joni fan) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:53:41 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: RE: New Joni Lover on the Block Hi Alice, Welcome! You sound cool from your email. I started listening to Joni about the same time as you did. I'm 47 too and teach about the brain, and my parents were both from Michigan so it has always been a home away from home for me. I play guitar and cry and sing... Seems like we have some things in common. I hope you can come to the Jonifest at Full Moon in 2007. Hope to meet you in time. Glad you found this list. Lots of groovy people here. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Joni Lover on the Block - --- Alice Brown wrote: > Hi, > > I just joined the Joni list and wanted to say hi, > etc. Welcome, Alice. You've come to the right place! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:53:44 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: a blooper anyone? > So, I have always wondered, what is up with this?: > > I am a lonely painter > I live in a box of paints > I'm frightened by the devil > and I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid.... I think often songs can be over analyzed. I have always just written what I feel, whether I follow any pattern or not. Often I think, lyrics are better when they just take their own natural flow and are not forced to rhyme or fit into some fixed pattern. Other times, rhyming works remarkably well. In the writing process, it seems to be very much an intangible thing. I'll usually just know when I have the right words. By the same virtue, I don't use theory when I write music. Victor NP: Neal Boortz show ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: a blooper anyone? If I think of these lyrics with 'afraid' left off, I keep hearing a Cole Porter-style, guy-at-the-piano song that goes something like this: I am a lonely painter I live in a box of paints I'm frightened by the devil and I'm drawn to them that ain't Sorry Catherine and I have been a little out of ouch lately, but we've been setting up our new lovenest of an apartment in Toronto. XO, --Smurf - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:51:36 -0400 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: a blooper anyone? From: "Victor Johnson" I think often songs can be over analyzed. I have always just written > what I feel, whether I follow any pattern or not. Often I think, > lyrics are better when they just take their own natural flow and are > not forced to rhyme or fit into some fixed pattern. Other times, > rhyming works remarkably well. In the writing process, it seems to > be very much an intangible thing. I'll usually just know when I have > the right words. By the same virtue, I don't use theory when I write > music. > > Victor - -------------------------------------------- I also tend to think that theory, althought sometimes praticle to frame and vehicule ideas, can be somewhat restrictive for ones freedom in creativeness. Rules need to be bent, even broken, in order to let new ways of thinking/ feeling the world emerge. I feel Joni has always been a dear example when it comes to "modifying" the frame. To me, the power of words, might they be in songs, peotry or stories, is the way they inspire and fuel my thoughts and feelings about things... and not so much what they are exactly ment signify to the creator (though it does invite to many interesting exchanges). Evelyne. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:14:56 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Cell tower: ugly but not dangerous, njc Laura, Those towers are especially ugly to me; I don't use a cell phone. On the other hand, I'm always an apologist for technology and I hold a "Technician" level amateur radio license so I'll take on the safety issue. 1. Your cell phone is already subjecting you to radio signals. You are wise to use an earpiece instead of putting the transmitter right next to your skull. You already know that the civilized world is swimming in radio and TV signals. The power of a cell transmission is about the same as any other channel of information; it **has** to be. If you can receive 5 AM stations, 8 FM stations, 6 TV stations, we're already up to 19 signals without counting taxis, police, ham radio, satellite TV, background radio waves from the Cosmos, the CIA, and Martians. You know that Paul Simon song: >staccato signals> >of constant information> 2. If you're thinking that each tower "beams" a complete set of calls directed to another tower, it doesn't work like that. That's the way microwave links between cities worked (in the old days). Yeah, that was some scary stuff because it wasn't radio waves, it in the microwave band, which can do bad things to soft tissue. They pumped a lot of power through those dishes because they didn't want to build lots of towers. I'd bet that most microwave relay systems have been replaced with fiber by now. (Chris? Chuck?) a. Cell towers don't use the microwave band. Your kids' brains won't get nuked with microwaves. b. Each tower collects your call and sends it down a wire, to the phone company. It also broadcasts the other half of your call to you. The energy only has to cover about a 5 mile radius. (Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_network (Scroll to Cellular telephony.) c. The power HAS to be low because it can't interfere with neighboring cells, and stuff on nearby "channels" (like the afore-mentioned TV & police channels.) d. The tower doesn't "beam" your call to the next tower. The next tower picks it up when you get within range. That same site says, "Cell-sites and handsets change frequency under computer control and use **low power** transmitters so that a **limited number of radio frequencies can be reused** by many callers with less interference." My emphasis. So, my opinion is that your family's health is not at risk but your nice view is a memory. When I drove up to Full Moon for JoniFest, there were a few hilltops that were marred by towers. I feel your pain; deal wit' it. Paul Simon gets the last word: >These are the days of lasers in the jungle >cell tower on a hilltop somewhere >these are the days of miracle and wonder >this is a long distance call. >these are the days of miracle and wonder and >don't cry baby >don't cry >don't cry >don't cry Jim L'Hommedieu my call letters: K14JHL You said in part, > Two of > our kids can lay in their beds and see the top of the thing > because it is > right at the level of their bedrooms since the pole starts on > the ground down > the hill, and we are at the top of the hill. We estimate it is > a little over > the length of a football field from us. >this ugly, radiating cell tower in our face, possibly > jeopardizing my > children's health and impinging on the magnificent view we built > up here to > enjoy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:44:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Cell tower: ugly but not dangerous, njc In a message dated 7/27/2006 12:15:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net writes: So, my opinion is that your family's health is not at risk but your nice view is a memory. When I drove up to Full Moon for JoniFest, there were a few hilltops that were marred by towers. I feel your pain; deal wit' it. Hi Jim, Thanks for the information. I was told there are two types of towers,"sectored" and regular antennae that work as a point-source. We are trying to find out which type this tower is. If it is a sectored antennae and is pointed at our house, we were told we will be getting a much larger amount of radiation than if it is a point-source. Anyway, we are looking into this. What you said helps. As for the appearance, the tower is a monopole so it isn't as ugly as some can be. Also, it isn't blocking the best part of our view... so we are counting our blessings. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:20:25 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Song for Sharon Can anyone tell me where to direct people to a url where they can listen to Song for Sharon? Kate of the North http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:53:36 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: Cell tower: ugly but not dangerous, njc > hi > > > >>>>laura wrote about the cell phone tower > > >>>> I'd bet that most microwave relay systems have been replaced > with fiber by now. (Chris? Chuck?) > > nope - still very prevalent. we (the company i work for) are actually in > the process of installing comms systems in angola, & we use a microwave > link between the control, transmitter & receiver sites. supposedly its > very focussed - but i wouldnt want to live around there.... > > plus radars still work on microwave. dont ever stand in front of a radar > when its switched on......... > (somebody posted that list of obscure facts awhile ago. the one about > microwaves being invented as a result of a radar scientist's chocolate bar > melting is true) > > >>>>>>> a. Cell towers don't use the microwave band. Your > kids' brains won't get nuked with microwaves. > > now im confused - i always thought it was microwave. did a quick search on > the internet & it seems to be around 50 / 50 between rf & microwave?? > > > but regardless - they are damn ugly. even when they put them in those > horrible plastic trees... > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:17:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Song for Sharon Kate, yahoo.com has an audio search function; put "Song For Sharon" in the search field and enter, you'll see all the results and the first two have a 30 minute sample. allmusic.com does the same, amazon.com most likely does too. Your friend can hear the whole 7 minutes worth for 99 cents! There's not a url that provides a stream of the entire song. 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I want to give this some air just now. Me, I'm a student of grief. I've earned my doctorate in the subject over the past few years. The compressed version. Not pretty. Breathe deep, the gathering gloom. Watch as lights fade. The whole thing intrigues me. Why does grief need to be compartmentalised, shoved into a crack in the sidewalk or slammed hard into a corner, or stuffed inside a box of paints perhaps. Maybe Joni splays the awkward lyrics because many a song on Blue cries out with emotional dissonance . It hurts. And so does losing Jack. Grief needs air. Grief need not be qualified. Or quantified...Ron, if you are feeling all over the map because of the news of Jack's death...sobeit. Know that you are not alone there. Rage rage against that good night. In my experience, when someone questions your reactions to a death; said person may be trying to make sense of their own stormy sorrow . Mags npimh: don't interrupt the sorrow~ damned right~ - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- - --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:31:31 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Great Hejira review in NYT. I just listened to "Hejira" today... there are so many great, quotable lines from the album, even from the title song alone... >From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com >Reply-To: MINGSDANCE@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Great Hejira review in NYT. >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:13:38 EDT > > In Fridays New York Times 7/21/2006 Stephen Holden's front page "Weekend >Arts" "Vacation Packing: A Pocketful of Musical Gems" > >online: The Songs Of Summer >Audio clips to go with Stephen Holden's summer vaction playlist: > > > " A classic example of this introspective pop with panoramic vision is >Ms. >Mitchell's "Hejira." Thirty years after that album was released,it still >stands as a high artistic watermark of the singer-songwriter movement. Its >greatness owes almost as much to its sound as to its literary content. The >dialogue >between Ms. Mitchell's agitated rythm guitar and the responsive electric >bass of >Jaco Pastorius creates a spontaneous, erotically charged give and take >between a woman and man(or between the singer's feelings and thoughts) as >she flees >a failed relationship by going on the road alone. These sprawling internal >monolouges, crammed with rich poetic detail, reflect on love, death, change >and >personal choice with candor and depth that remain unsurpassesd among >singer-songwriters." > >Peace >Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:01:40 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: CSNY Just got back from a blistering show in the SF bay area--Well over 100 deg, too! Just too many high points to mention-but the first thing I noticed arriving during the 2nd song was that Blend....Neil manages to fit his voice in there just right.... at one point it was just him and Stills doing "Treetop Flyer" on their Martins in drop-D. It was a guitar lover's dream, too-Neil had Blackie, there were Martins, Strats, Teles, Grestch, White Falcons, ... They did Woodstock for the encore...also leaned heavily on Neil's "Living With War" songs (complete with trumpet player), the words to "Let's Impeach The President" were on the large screens on both sides of the stage, and the crowd DID sing along,clips of Bush TV moments played to the chorus "Flip, Flop"...in fact pretty much all the songs had some kind of political statement, although they did a nice "Our House" with Graham on upright piano, Neil on acoustic, Stills on big hollowbody electric, Ben Keith on pedal steel. They skipped some of the big hits; no Judy Blue Eyes, Carry On. No Joni mentions, but I wore my TI shirt with the Van Gogh self portrait. Man was it hot. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:12:09 -0400 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Pat Metheny Group - PMG Companion, Vol II (njc) Hi, JMDLers. I hope everyone is well. I still check in from time to time to see what's going on. The JMDL is far any away the most literate read on the music discussion list front. I just "released" The PMG Companion, Vol II, 1981 - 1982, subtitled "The Travels Companion," with extensive liner notes (a 14-page booklet) and beautiful artwork, done by my friend, Ted Foos. All of the music on two jam-packed CD's is taken from soundboard tapes, many of which have not been previously in circulation. It's called The Travels Companion because it contains a version (many are unreleased songs, or early, very different versions) of every piece the PMG performed in concert in 1981 and 1982 (and there are a BUNCH of 'em) that didn't appear on the live album, Travels (a desert island disc for many, including me). Here are the links to two torrents, the first on Dime and the second on bt.etree.org: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=104972 http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=27435 Volume 1 (1976 - 1980), an equally crammed three-disc set of all the music the PMG played on stage but never committed to record during the years of the original quartet, is also still active on bt.etree.org. It has all the same bells and whistles ... extensive liner notes, beautiful artwork, etc. I know there are some Metheny fans here and I didn't want you to miss it. All the best, "Boston Jim" Leonard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:25:12 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Pat Metheny Group - PMG Companion, Vol II (njc) I guess I'm just computer illiterate. I downloaded the file but have no way to play it back. I supposed I must need some kind of program to extract the .torrent files? Thanks, Cassy NP: Joliet Bound - John Mellencamp ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #269 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------