From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #250 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 250 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Joni Songbook ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #194 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: New Joni Songbook [Dave Blackburn ] I hate ticketmaster...arghhh!!!!!(njc) [Victor Johnson ] Hotel California, other summer reading, sjc ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Tom Waits (njc) [Bob Muller ] RE: Hotel California, other summer reading, sjc now NJC ["Richard Flynn"] Re: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete, Guitar Songbook Edition" [Mi] Re: New Joni Songbook [Michael Paz ] Re: JackoPierce reference, Joni DVDs, etc... [Bob Muller Subject: New Joni Songbook Strangely, Joni's not the ultimate authority on her own tabs. Many times (as far back as the so-called Second Fret tapes) she's said that she "loses" tunings. She said when she "loses" one she goes to the ultimate source, her memory trust, her sometime photographer, sometime guitar tech, Joel Bernstein. I'm glad the book is really, warts and all. May if you write to the author, and enough players find out about the book, he'll have corrections in a 2nd printing. "Lord, we give thanks this day for a new book on Joni's gift." Amen, Lama J. Leahy said in part, >I spent a bit of time perusing Joni Mitchell Complete last night and have found a couple of anomalies: I hope and pray I don't find many more of these oddities. I guess if we wanted the most authoritative tabs we'd have to go to Joni herself, but something tells me she just don't remember.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:49:17 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #194 In a message dated 07/08/2006 3:09:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: Hotel California by Barney Hoskyns Has anyone read this and if so have they written in about it? I just finished it on my vacation and enjoyed it (well, except for the depressing pall that settles in after you go through all the exciting coming into success part and move into the drugs really have gotten the better of us part). Actually learned some new (but very gossipy) things about Joni. Lindsay I read it. It was a quick read - and very gossipy. For that reason I loved it - but couldn't take it all that seriously. I was fascinated by the Gram Parson information because there seems to be so little written about him and he's one of my favorites. Joni doesn't come off particularly good or bad. I never knew about her and J.D. (who, if I took this book seriously would have come down a peg or two in my mind). Geffen comes off as a big baby.A big rich baby, and Elliot Roberts came across as a decent dude. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:49:48 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:47:50 -0400 > From: "James Leahy" > Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook > > I hope and pray I don't find many more of these oddities. I guess > if we > wanted the most authoritative tabs we'd have to go to Joni herself, > but > something tells me she just don't remember. > > Jim I quick peek at her VG8 would settle it eh? Anybody know how to break into her garage? Speaking of Joni's chords and the hand positions to play them I'm finding that many of her songs that are not dropped below E can be played note for note in regular tuning if you don't mind the reach of a bigger chord. There are many songs with lovely minor 11 clusters (for ex) that must be played in her tunings but one can cut down a bit on the number of guitars/or tuning downtime needed for a Joni set by stretching the hand out a bit. It saves the guitar necks too. I'm realizing that Joni was a rather simplistic guitarist from a finger/ hand perspective but with a highly advanced ear that led her to "turn the knobs" to get chords she liked instead of learning new shapes. In other words she'd play her usual one or two finger shapes and retune the guitar to make new chords for each song, a "trap" she built for herself as she called it in Woman of Heart and Mind. We do over 20 Joni tunes in our "The Songs of Joni Mitchell" show and I'm getting by with five guitars and no retuning between. Any other guitarists on the list care to weigh in on this? Dave Blackburn San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:00:04 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: I hate ticketmaster...arghhh!!!!!(njc) I picked up a ticket this morning for Tom Waits in Atlanta however working with ticketmaster is inevitably guaranteed to be an unpleasant experience. At five till 10 I kept checking on my ibook to see if they were on sale yet and finally, the ticket selection window appears. So I select one ticket, general admission and press the "look for tickets" button. The screen comes up saying tickets are available, one ticket is being held for me, and I have 1 minute to complete this screen. It has already been stated very clearly that tickets for this show will be held at the venue and will become available at 6 the evening of the show and when you receive your ticket you will be directed into the tabernacle. But ticketmaster still has the section up saying to pick a delivery method. Usually, there are about 5 choices ie, UPS, regular mail, rush delivery, will call, etc...but in this case they only have one option on the screen, International will call for people from another country. Since I am from the United States (at least the last time I checked) I ignore this option and press continue. Lo and behold, I get a message saying there is a problem with my order...I MUST select a delivery method. Since the International will call is apparently the only option available I select it and continue. The page comes up where you fill in your address, phone, credit cart information, etc.. So I start filling it out, pretty routine, until I get to the part where you select your country. Usually, United States is the first option but it is not there. Thinking it might be listed further down, I scroll down the countries and find nothing. Starting to get a little perplexed, I pick what seems to be the best choice, United States minor islands, even though I am obviously landlocked in Georgia where all the lakes are manmade. I continue on, fill out the card information, and press send. Once again -surprise, surprise- I get an error message saying there is a problem with my card. At that point, I start to get mad. Yes, the problem is you stupid fuckheads are so preoccupied thinking of the different ways you can jack up ticket prices that you don't even realize you've totally screwed up online purchasing for everybody who lives in the country where the event is being held. I want to know too, what the hell is the $9 dollar service charge for? On top of that I'm also being charged a $4.50 order processing fee. Isn't ticket processing covered in the service charge? What the hell??????? This isn't a damn airline ticket though it certainly seems like it since apparently I have to fly in from Uruguay to see a concert that is being held just a few miles away from my apartment. Realizing that any more effort wasted on the online ordering is probably fruitless, I start trying to reach ticketmaster by telephone. After about 20 attempts, I finally get through and get to talk to a computer named Kelly. I buy my ticket, pay the service charges and think about how much I hate ticketmaster. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:29:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: stuff about the shuttle, njc http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html I learned that as the engine propels the shuttle/tank, ice forms on the outside of the nozzle. Why? The design circulates liquid Hydrogen within the nozzle to keep it cool. If ice falls off, it sublimates directly to vapor long before it gets back to ground. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:52:15 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: 12 ways to reduce global warming, njc From: Thanks very much for the list. One point I have a huge issue with is: <<< Change air filters annually, ...>>> If I only changed my furnace filter once a year I'd be in BIG trouble. I have two washable filters for my heating/cooling system one is in place and the other is waiting to go into place, I pull one out and replace it with the other weekly and then wash the one I've removed and set it aside until the following week. My allergies and asthma have been cut down tremendously and I'm sure the cost of heating and cooling my home has been reduced. I am lucky that when I bought my new system the installers worked with me on where the filter would go, I told them I had to be able to change it regularly and they made it extremely easily accessible. Warmly, Cassy NP: Down to You - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:52:48 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Hotel California, other summer reading, sjc Lindsay asked: "Has anyone read this and if so have they written in about it?" I believe Richard Flynn read it and gave it a "thumbs up". Thanks for mentioning this, Lindsay. Joni gossip, you say? Enquiring JMOCDed minds want to know! Your post put a voice in my head that said: "Buy yours NOW!" so I just went to Amazon and ordered it. The complete title is: "Hotel California : The True-life Adventures of Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young, Mitchell, Taylor, Browne, Ronstadt, Geffen, the Eagles, and Their Many Friends" by Barney Hoskyns Since I'm seeing six (count 'em: six! Yee hah!!!) of these legends this summer, this is all the more a "must read" for mei. Ah, summer. Time for reading. I'm just finishing "Teacher Man" by Frank McCourt and it's very good. I recommend it, especially to teachers and anyone who loves Irish wit. McCourt is very honest, and sometimes makes me laugh out loud. (Ha! I did that on a plane recently while reading this one, which led to a discussion with the nice lady across the aisle who also wanted to read it. Our talking as it rambled led to Joni -- wonder how??? -- and the JMDL and the Carnegie Hall Tribute and the lady actually "got it" because she's on the Jerry Jeff Walker discussion list....very cool!) Another great one is "A Year of Magical Thinking" by Joan Didion. There is something very "Joni" (FTR-ish) about her writing, which is so emotionally honest without being maudlin or morose or self-pitying. It's about the year after the death of her husband --- "the weeks and then months that cut loose any fixed idea I ever had about death, about illness....about marriage and children and memory....about the shallowness of sanity, about life itself." We recently discussed here the fact that she wrote "Slouching Towards Bethlehem", and I think it was Patti W. who recommended some of her other works. (Note to self: DAMN! Why didn't you add some Joan Didion to your just-placed Amazon order? "Democracy" would be timely, and the classic "Book of Common Prayer".) One line in AYOMT in particular made me think of Joni: "Grief turns out to be a place none of us know until we reach it." ("People will tell you where they've gone, they'll tell you where to go, but until you get there yourself, you never really know.") May you all enjoy this summer season of reading. "Love is a story told", as someone once said. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:34:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : tom waits tour njc Hi Ron -- Responding way too late to this thread. I am a huge fan of Tom Waits, too. I am sooo happy and thrilled that I may be able to see this ogre-sounding guy LIVE! Asheville is not exactly within the neighborhood of the Triangle area but I will arrange to be there on that day. Thanks for this heads up. I am currently in the Philippines to commence the first phase of my dissertation research but I will be back in NC in the first week of August. This really is pleasant pleasant surprise. Hi to everyone! Joseph in very very humid Manila np: Swing Out Sister "Understand" ron a icrit : hi i thought some listers might be interested in this - esp someone out there in north carolina??? ron Tom Waits Set For Rare U.S. Tour July 05, 2006, 1:10 PM ET Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. Iconic singer/songwriter Tom Waits will hit the road in August for a rare string of live performances. The eight-date tour will take Waits to some cities he hasn't played in three decades. The details of the artist's touring band are still being worked out, according to a spokesperson. "We need to go to Tennessee to pick up some fireworks, and someone owes me money in Kentucky," Waits said in a statement about his motivation for touring. Waits played a handful of shows in 2004 but prior to that had not toured widely since 1999, in support of his album "Mule Variations." And while there's no word of a new album from Waits, Anti- Records is at work on a long-awaited boxed set. No release date has been nailed down, according to the artist's rep. Waits will also be seen in two dramas set for theatrical release next year: "The Good Heart" alongside Ryan Gosling and "Texas Lullaby" with John Malkovich and Josh Hartnett, which is loosely based on William Shakespeare's "Hamlet." Here are Tom Waits' tour dates: Aug. 1: Atlanta (Tabernacle) Aug. 2: Asheville, N.C. (Thomas Wolfe Auditorium) Aug. 4: Memphis (Orpheum Theatre) Aug. 5: Nashville (Ryman Auditorium) Aug. 7: Louisville (Palace Theatre) Aug. 9: Chicago (Auditorium Theatre) Aug. 11: Detroit (Opera House) Aug. 13: Akron, Ohio (Civic Theatre) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail riinvente le mail ! Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface rivolutionnaire. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tom Waits (njc) I would love to do BOTH Atlanta & Asheville, but I have a conflict both of those dates...dammit. Seeing my man live will have to stay on my "to do" list for a little while longer. Bob, back from the beach NP: Peter Green, "Going Down" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:13:12 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Hotel California, other summer reading, sjc now NJC Yes, it's gossipy and I enjoyed it a lot. But for a really wonderful book, let me second Patti's recommendation of Joan Didion's _The Year of Magical Thinking_. My son gave it to me and it took me a long while to get around to it. (I lost my wife Patti in 2000, so I was a little wary about subjecting myself to the book, but I did and I'm glad.) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Patti Parlette Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:53 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Hotel California, other summer reading, sjc Lindsay asked: "Has anyone read this and if so have they written in about it?" I believe Richard Flynn read it and gave it a "thumbs up". Thanks for mentioning this, Lindsay. Joni gossip, you say? Enquiring JMOCDed minds want to know! Your post put a voice in my head that said: "Buy yours NOW!" so I just went to Amazon and ordered it. The complete title is: "Hotel California : The True-life Adventures of Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young, Mitchell, Taylor, Browne, Ronstadt, Geffen, the Eagles, and Their Many Friends" by Barney Hoskyns Since I'm seeing six (count 'em: six! Yee hah!!!) of these legends this summer, this is all the more a "must read" for mei. Ah, summer. Time for reading. I'm just finishing "Teacher Man" by Frank McCourt and it's very good. I recommend it, especially to teachers and anyone who loves Irish wit. McCourt is very honest, and sometimes makes me laugh out loud. (Ha! I did that on a plane recently while reading this one, which led to a discussion with the nice lady across the aisle who also wanted to read it. Our talking as it rambled led to Joni -- wonder how??? -- and the JMDL and the Carnegie Hall Tribute and the lady actually "got it" because she's on the Jerry Jeff Walker discussion list....very cool!) Another great one is "A Year of Magical Thinking" by Joan Didion. There is something very "Joni" (FTR-ish) about her writing, which is so emotionally honest without being maudlin or morose or self-pitying. It's about the year after the death of her husband --- "the weeks and then months that cut loose any fixed idea I ever had about death, about illness....about marriage and children and memory....about the shallowness of sanity, about life itself." We recently discussed here the fact that she wrote "Slouching Towards Bethlehem", and I think it was Patti W. who recommended some of her other works. (Note to self: DAMN! Why didn't you add some Joan Didion to your just-placed Amazon order? "Democracy" would be timely, and the classic "Book of Common Prayer".) One line in AYOMT in particular made me think of Joni: "Grief turns out to be a place none of us know until we reach it." ("People will tell you where they've gone, they'll tell you where to go, but until you get there yourself, you never really know.") May you all enjoy this summer season of reading. "Love is a story told", as someone once said. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:09:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete, Guitar Songbook Edition" Hi Jim and Everyone Just catching up on the list. I buy directly from the Alfred folks so I am sure that I can get a discount. I will call them on Monday and find out what the deal is. I will post something on Monday and see if we want to do a mass order. Best Paz > If we (JMDLers) put together one big order (a dozen books), does anyone here > know how to get a quantity discount? > > All the best, > Lama > > Jim Leahy said, >> > This looks like the book Joel Bernstein has been working on for years, > different from the earlier 'Complete.' Go to Amazon.com, where you'll find > this: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739042114/ref=nosim/002-5263840-3890424?ca > mp=2025&dev-t=D26XECQVNV6NDQ&link%5Fcode=xm2&n=283155 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:41:13 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook HI Dave As I am in the industry I had a lot of first hand knowledge about the VG-8 from the moment it was announced. I immediately thought of Joni as someone who would benefit from it's charms. I bought as used one for $750 if memory serves which was still expensive for me at the time. The started out being $2,995.00 retail from Roland. I continue to use the VG-8 a lot with 2 different Parker guitars and I have a Roland Ready strat. Several years back when I was attending a NAMM convention in Anaheim I ran into Gary Cook who was working for Yamaha at the time (having left Roland a couple years before that). He was one of the product specialists on the Roland VG-8 and did a lot of programming for it as well as was the person that helped Joni set hers up and came with her to New Orleans when she debuted the thing at the Jazz Fest. Check out some of his stuff here: http://vg-8.com/files/patches/Gary%20Cooks%20Demo%20Patches/ Gary and I became friends and I convinced him to give me some of Joni's actual patches which he did (although not many). He explained that she thinks of things in clusters and groupings and could easily do many songs with like 5 guitars like you. Also, I worked on programming some tunings for performance artist John Kelly. John was kind enough to give me a stack of Joni's charts that are in Joni's hand with all kinds of notes. I believe he got them from Robbie Cavolina. I have been looking for those charts which are buried in my stuff somewhere. I would love to come hear you guys play next time I come to Anaheim which is usually every January. Best Paz NP-Happiness if The Best facelift- JM > On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:47:50 -0400 >> From: "James Leahy" >> Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook >> >> I hope and pray I don't find many more of these oddities. I guess >> if we >> wanted the most authoritative tabs we'd have to go to Joni herself, >> but >> something tells me she just don't remember. >> >> Jim > > I quick peek at her VG8 would settle it eh? Anybody know how to break > into her garage? > > Speaking of Joni's chords and the hand positions to play them I'm > finding that many of her songs that are not dropped below E can be > played note for note in regular tuning if you don't mind the reach of > a bigger chord. There are many songs with lovely minor 11 clusters > (for ex) that must be played in her tunings but one can cut down a > bit on the number of guitars/or tuning downtime needed for a Joni set > by stretching the hand out a bit. It saves the guitar necks too. I'm > realizing that Joni was a rather simplistic guitarist from a finger/ > hand perspective but with a highly advanced ear that led her to "turn > the knobs" to get chords she liked instead of learning new shapes. In > other words she'd play her usual one or two finger shapes and retune > the guitar to make new chords for each song, a "trap" she built for > herself as she called it in Woman of Heart and Mind. We do over 20 > Joni tunes in our "The Songs of Joni Mitchell" show and I'm getting > by with five guitars and no retuning between. > > Any other guitarists on the list care to weigh in on this? > > Dave Blackburn > San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: JackoPierce reference, Joni DVDs, etc... Hi Angela - I've been sitting on your message for a couple of days, on vacation with limited internet access. I'm glad you're digging the new Big Yellow Taxi CD, hopefully soon it will also be available on itunes for you downloaders & ipodders out there. The only other covers I know of are both of Carnival in Kenora...our own Gary Zack cut a studio recording of it and also a lounge act called The Difference played a rendition of it in their show and we have a nice recording of their performance. Joni also recorded a demo recording of it. We have recordings of Joni singing all three, which was what gave Henning the idea in the first place. The only real "history" around any of them that I'm aware of is around "The Way It Is" which she wrote (and sang) as the theme song for a CBC TV show of the same name in December 1967. The other two she wrote and performed in concerts frequently in that early period. Bob NP: Pylon, "Gyrate" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:46:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete, Guitar SongbookEdition" When this mass order is confirmed, I'll send out a daily post for a week on the big list. I guess the little list should get one bulletin too, to include Henning & others. Does anyone have a current email address for any other these collectors / guitarists? Pearl, Marian, Terry M., Catgirl, Marsha D., Nikki, Yael, Bill D., Cloud9, Gregg C., Sue Mc., the Mixons, Bryan T, Jenny G.. I have email addresses for: Anne S., Marcel, Ashara, Lucy, Patti W, & Cindy V. Jim L'Hommedieu BTW, this site map is mighty handy: http://www.jonimitchell.com/sitemap.cfm > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] > I am > sure that I can get a discount. I will call them on Monday and > find out what > the deal is. I will post something on Monday and see if we want > to do a mass > order. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #250 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------