From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #234 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 23 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 234 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: an addendum now NJC ["mike laptop" ] Re: Video Clips For Joni Covers ["Ron" ] Leonard Cohen film ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: This just in... [Kerry ] RE: Summer albums, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Leonard Cohen film / Rufus -- njc [Smurf ] RE: an addendum now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Leonard Cohen film / Rufus -- njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: an addendum now NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: This just in... ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: an addendum now NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: an addendum now NJC [Catherine McKay ] The English Language ["Cassy" ] re: Fogelberg (njc) ["c Karma" ] Re: an addendum now NJC ["Randy Remote" ] RE: The English Language ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] re: an addendum, now NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: an addendum now NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re: an addendum, now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: an addendum, now NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Zappa in S.F. (NJC) ["Cassy" ] RE: an addendum now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: an addendum, now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Protest Song Lovers - NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: The English Language [Catherine McKay ] After the Goldfish NJC ["mike laptop" ] Re: Protest Song Lovers - NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: an addendum now NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] RE: an addendum now NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] RE: Protest Song Lovers - NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Biggles Goes To See Bruce Springsteen - NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Video Clips For Joni Covers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: After the Goldfish NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Protest Song Lovers - NJC ["Randy Remote" ] RE: an addendum now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Latest news from the Poice State NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni Mitchell is somewhat pointless Toronto Star article--NJC [] Re: an addendum now NJC [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:53:56 +0200 From: "mike laptop" Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC Randy rote >>Most of them were in Crosby/Nash's touring band, too. Odd aside- I worked for Doerge's brother (rhymes with 'derby') briefly, who wholesaled motorcycle oil.<< Is there anyone out there can explain to me why the past tense of 'wholesale' is not 'wholesold', or why the infinitive of the verb is not 'wholesell'? I'm extrapolating from stand / stood, understand / understood, withstand / withstood, obviously. Catherine, check in asap... mike in bcn np deadcandance - how fortunate the man with none. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:04:49 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Video Clips For Joni Covers hi doesnt diana krall do a couple of joni covers on her dvds (paris & montreux) ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "Nuriel Tobias" ; Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Video Clips For Joni Covers >> I was wondering if artists that covered Joni's songs made videos for >> them...? > > There is also the live version of "River" by Heart on their concert video > "The Road Home". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:02:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Leonard Cohen film From Rolling Stone: The Partisans Performances mostly killer, interviews filler, in Leonard Cohen doc Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man Directed by Lian Lunson About two-thirds into this rather grating hagiography, U2's Bono truncates his spew of superlatives, makes his best cut-the-crap face, and asks if we can "get serious" for a moment. Get serious? This Last Waltzlike doc is almost funereal, full of reverent banalities spliced between overly folksy takes on melancholic Leonard Cohen bombshells. At the film's core is the "Came So Far for Beauty" Cohen tribute concert held last year in Sydney, for which producer Hal Willner organized a lineup of musicians to interpret Cohen's songs. Always loving but at times soporific, these renditions range from a dull Beth Orton version of "Sisters of Mercy" to an unironically anthemic "Anthem" by Julie Christensen and Perla Batalla. Kate and Anna McGarrigle can usually be counted on for loopy banter, but aside from breezy-bitchy Rufus Wainwright, who also delivers a musical highlight with "Chelsea Hotel 2," the chatty levity is left to the sly and spry old rumbler himself. Oddly, director Lian Lunson sabotages even Cohen's bits with ominous whooshes and psycho-synth tones. Cohen so doesn't need to be edged toward eerie. He projects creepy poet poon-hound Dionysian-Buddhist tricksiness all by himself. These spooky sonics skew Cohen's engaging account of his years spent in seclusion as an ordained Mt. Baldy monk. Longtime fans won't need the Edge's Moses comparisons to convince them that Cohen is indeed their man. And for newcomers, full performances from Sydney might make a better introduction than Nick Cave saying the usual stuff about Songs of Love and Hate making his teenage self feel cool. Performance-wise, Antony's withering "If It Be Your Will" simply kills, though Willner might have squashed the distracting background vocals. Teddy Thompson proves again that while he carries a pretty tune, he didn't inherit his parents' compelling vocal serration. Martha Wainwright does "The Traitor" justice, even if Rufus still petulantly skirts the key rhyme in his oft performed cover of "Hallelujah." But as you might suspect, with U2 behind him in a tight cabaret, Cohen, his sad eyes dancing and his growl coyly teasing, dusts 'em all with the graveyard smash "Tower of Song." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Re: This just in... My apologies. I was in a hurry and just wanted to share. Heading back to lurk-mode, Kerry Randy Remote wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" > > http://www.booksite.com/texis/scripts/oop/click_ord/showdetail.html?sid=5325&isbn=0471732737&music=&buyable=0&assoc_id=pgg Without trying to be too bitchy, I must freely admit to being somewhat annoyed by links with no explanation whatsoever.... - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:15:52 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Summer albums, njc Thanks Bob! I've never heard "Home Free" but will do my best to listen to it! I love all things Dan Fogelberg! He reminds me of Joni lyrically because he really pulls some of his deepest thoughts out and puts them to paper. His radio hits to me aren't as in depth lyrically as some of the songs that are just on some of his albums. There's one song in particular off of his "Exiles" album that rips my heart out called "Seeing You Again"...boy! Who hasn't been there? He really has a knack for catching the feelings of loss, hurt and helplessness when comfronted with the a lost lover. He also, like Joni is very honest lyrically about struggling to build or maintain a relationship. I think that's what attracted me most to Dan's music. He has been in a battle with prostrate cancer for the last year or two and is not performing at the present. I hear is doing all right and making strides. He's a very private person so that info is very limited. My prayers have been with him! Sherelle >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net, joni@smoe.org, owner-joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Summer albums, njc >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:25:38 -0400 > >Of course, Fogelberg's "Souvenirs" is a classic with nary a dud on it. If >you haven't heard it, check out his debut album "Home Free". It's a more >stripped-down and less-produced acoustic album, I guess you could say that >Home Free is to Souvenirs as STAS is to C&S. > >Bob > >NP: Joni, "God Must Be A Boogie Man" > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message >are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:21:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen film / Rufus -- njc Jerry quoted Rolling Stone: << Oddly, director Lian Lunson sabotages even Cohen's bits with ominous whooshes and psycho-synth tones. Cohen so doesn't need to be edged toward eerie. He projects creepy poet poon-hound Dionysian-Buddhist tricksiness all by himself. These spooky sonics skew Cohen's engaging account of his years spent in seclusion as an ordained Mt. Baldy monk. >> Hey, Catherine! Your kids aren't the only ones who think Leonard's scary! Also from Rolling Stone: << Rufus still petulantly skirts the key rhyme in his oft performed cover of "Hallelujah." >> Does anyone have any idea what RS means by this? I am clueless, which makes me feel more like their target audience, I guess. Also, I notice there's been no talk about Rufus's Judy Garland Carnegie Hall show. Did anyone go? How was it? --Smurf, who just saw a fantastic show last night in Boston by The Streets - --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1"/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC - --- mike laptop wrote: > > Is there anyone out there can explain to me why the > past tense of 'wholesale' > is not 'wholesold', or why the infinitive of the > verb is not 'wholesell'? I'm > extrapolating from stand / stood, understand / > understood, withstand / > withstood, obviously. Catherine, check in asap... Mike Laptop? Are you a newbie? ;-) In my typical bureaucratic way, if I were at work (and I am), I would just avoid the whole thing and find another word. The other day, a bunch of us were trying to get around the issue of what happens when you have the a/an article in front of an acronym (curse them!) that starts with a consonant that sounds like a vowel. In this case, the term is "long-term care home" and they often short it to LTC home. So is it AN LTC home? or A LTC home? I told them to avoid the whole thing and just spell it out instead in that instance. Style guides say use "an" before a vowel sound, so it should be "an LTC..." but it just looks weird, and do you really read it as "el-tee-see" when you see it in print? I usually translate back into words - as you know, I have problems with acronyms and I always try to translate them into whole words. It's probably a form of learning disability. What is a person who sells things wholesale? A wholesaler or a wholeseller? I'm sure I've seen "wholesaler". And, in a similar vein, what exactly is a jobber? Someone who does a job? That would be most of us. Ah, the joys of the English language! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:40:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen film / Rufus -- njc Also, I notice there's been no talk about Rufus's Judy Garland Carnegie Hall show. Did anyone go? How was it? I was there. As were listers Sharon Goldberg and Richard Goldman. It certainly was THE event of the season. Rufus was on every cover that week. I loved every minute of it. He rose to the challenge, at least vocally. Certainly no one has the stage presence of a Judy Garland, but the orchestrations and the orchestra were right on the money. And appearances by his sister and mother were wonderful. I could have done without the brassy Lorna Luft. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:52:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC And shouldn't the plural of "toothbrush" be "teethbrush"? Gramatically, I think that once the word becomes a compound word it takes on separate qualites. Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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(I'm about 100 pages in). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:55 PM To: Kerry; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: This just in... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" > > http://www.booksite.com/texis/scripts/oop/click_ord/showdetail.html?sid=5325 &isbn=0471732737&music=&buyable=0&assoc_id=pgg Without trying to be too bitchy, I must freely admit to being somewhat annoyed by links with no explanation whatsoever....anyway... this is a book that came out last month called Hotel California about CSNY, Joni, Browne, etc. by British author Barney Hoskyns. It's out of print at this site for some reason, but readily available at Amazon. Haven't read it, so can't recommend it one way or the other. Anyone read it? Jerry, is it at the library yet? RR http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0471732737/qid=1150944349/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs _b_2_1/103-4822982-1593436?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:34:23 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: an addendum now NJC Hi Bob, you may be right, but I'm sure there are many exceptions to your general rule. The interesting question is 'why' compounds take on different qualities when apparently it would be easier to transfer the qualities of the former parts to the new compound word. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com To: mike laptop Cc: guitarzan@hughes.net ; list ; owner-joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC And shouldn't the plural of "toothbrush" be "teethbrush"? Gramatically, I think that once the word becomes a compound word it takes on separate qualites. Bob --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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"General" isn't an army rank, but has a meaning of "all-around", sort of like General Manager. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:47:10 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: The English Language From: "mike laptop" <<< Is there anyone out there can explain to me why the past tense of 'wholesale' is not 'wholesold', or why the infinitive of the verb is not 'wholesell'? I'm extrapolating from stand / stood, understand / understood, withstand / withstood, obviously. >>> Ahhhh. And now you've hit the crux of why everything in the USA now has to be posted in three languages: English, Spanish and Arabic. Seriously, English is probably the most difficult language to learn because of all the exceptions and special rules. As an aside, I live in a community in Michigan close to an area where the Arabic population has now exceeded 50,000, consequently many businesses have signs posted in both English and Arabic. What irritated me was that I had to visit the Social Security offices in my area recently and all the signs posted were in Arabic with no English translations! It was a similar situation at the Family Independence Agency, at least there the English translations were present (albeit in tiny print underneath). To continue in English - press 1 (one)... Warmly, Cassy NP: Island in the Sky - Corry Hanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:07:37 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Fogelberg (njc) Bob Muller wrote: "Of course, Fogelberg's "Souvenirs" is a classic with nary a dud on it. If you haven't heard it, check out his debut album "Home Free". It's a more stripped-down and less-produced acoustic album, I guess you could say that Home Free is to Souvenirs as STAS is to C&S." I wouldn't consider "Hickory Grove" strippped down. lol. Agree that "Home Free" is fantastic...gotta love "To The Morning", "Wysteria" and "River." There's a lot of production on "Home Free." Given that it was a debut album for a singer-songwriter, I'd say it had more than most of its ilk. Browne's "Saturate Before Using" sounds like it was recorded under water in comparison. I personally think that the material on "Home Free" is much better than "Souvenirs" which sometimes sounds juvenile. Well, maybe listening to it just makes ME feel younger. I've mentioned this before, but always want to send people listening to Fogelberg's back up vocals on my favorite Browne song, "The Late Show." CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:13:38 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: an addendum now NJC > Is there anyone out there can explain to me why the past tense of > 'wholesale' > is not 'wholesold', or why the infinitive of the verb is not 'wholesell'? > I'm > extrapolating from stand / stood, understand / understood, withstand / > withstood Rules? Rules? We don' need no steenking rules! It's English! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:14:14 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: RE: The English Language From: "mike laptop" <<< Is there anyone out there can explain to me why the past tense of 'wholesale' is not 'wholesold', or why the infinitive of the verb is not 'wholesell'? Because 'wholesale' is a noun, not a verb? JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:25:56 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: an addendum, now NJC >>In Canada, we have a Governor General. The plural is Governors General, not Governor Generals, and a lot of people mess that up.<< If you have (only) one Governor General why do you need a plural form? This is a Canadian variation of the Gin and Tonics / Gins and Tonic argument. It's a little more complex when the compound has two noun elements. At least in Spanish and Catalan they use the normal form of adding the plural to the noun phrase 'dos cafes con leche', 'with milk' being here a prepositional phrase, of course. Maybe Patti will chime in with French examples and Mona could enlighten us as to the German version. 'Herb' I would pronounce the same whether it was a plant or a man (or a verb? ), and I'd use the article 'a' before it. All this is my personal pronunciation, but take no heed of me, I am from an area of Wales where the past tense of 'eat' is pronounced phonetically as /et/, and some people say 'axed' as the past simple of 'ask'. Go figure. mike in bcn np Holly Cole - Heart of Saturday Night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:54:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC Do we only have one tooth?> Obviously you haven't spent much time in South Carolina. Bob NP: Bruce, "The Rising" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:55:49 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: an addendum, now NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike pritchard" To: "list" ; "Randy Remote" > 'Herb' I would pronounce the same whether it was a plant or a man (or a > verb? > ), and I'd use the article 'a' before it. All this is my personal > pronunciation, but take no heed of me Interesting word, that. It seems to be one of the only words in which Americans drop the "H" sound, and one of the few in which UK folks don't. Urban African-American pronounciation of ask is generally "ax". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:05:32 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Zappa in S.F. (NJC) I recently missed a concert I really wanted to go to in the Detroit area. Dweezil Zappa playing tribute to his father's work. The same show is scheduled to play in San Francisco this coming weekend... I'd love to be a jet-setter and fly out to see the show. http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/local/states/california/1487 5745.htm I loved Frank Zappa. I saw him play on several occasions including the infamous "Detroit you've just been fucked!" show (though technically that wasn't seeing him play as much as it was brilliant performance art - disappointing but on reflection brilliant). I even gave my panties up to the washing line at The Masonic Temple (thinking it had to be the late 70's - but my memory is somewhat faulty these days on timelines) If anyone has a chance to see the show during it's tour, I'd love to hear about it. Warmly, Cassy NP: Pablo Picasso - David Bowie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Do we only have one tooth?> > > Obviously you haven't spent much time in South > Carolina. > > Bob > LOL!As I typed that, I was thinking about Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel, from the Simpsons, wondering how many teeth he had. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:51:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: an addendum, now NJC - --- Randy Remote wrote: > > Urban African-American pronounciation of ask is > generally "ax". > Many West Indians too. Maybe it's an African thing? Maybe they were taught English by Welsh people? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:55:50 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Protest Song Lovers - NJC For those who like protest songs, there's a song by John Mellencamp, he wrote it in 1991 but it's so appropriate for today. In case some of you aren't familiar with this song here are the lyrics: Love and Happiness Well, we're droppin' our bombs In the southern hemisphere And people are starving That live right here And they're tearing down walls In the name of peace And they're killing each other In the Middle East But love and happiness Have forgotten our names And there's no value left In love and happiness They raise the price of oil and they censor our mouths If you are a young couple today Forget buying a house And we wage our wars In the neighborhoods We kill the young to feed the old And man that ain't no good Yeah, but love and happiness Have forgotten our names And there's no value left In love and happiness So, if you sell arms Or you run dope You got respect And you got hope But the rest of us die On your battle fields With wounds that fester and bleed But never heal Yeah, love and happiness Have forgotten our names And there's no value left In love and happiness And love and happiness Yeah, love and happiness Have forgotten our names And there's no value left In love and happiness I've uploaded my favorite version of this song from "Rough Harvest" to You Send It at: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=592AC1E4250EDEA2 If anyone's interested, Rough Harvest is one of my personal favourite Mellencamp CDs, nice stripped down versions of a lot of his great songs "low-key and subtly crafted" is how some people have reviewed this release. Back-up vocals were performed by Janas Hoyt of The Mary Janes. http://www.themaryjanes.com/ I really love her voice. Warmly, Cassy NP: Just Won't Burn - Susan Tedeschi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The English Language - --- Cassy wrote: > As an aside, I live in a community in Michigan close > to an area where the > Arabic population has now exceeded 50,000, > consequently many businesses have > signs posted in both English and Arabic. What > irritated me was that I had > to visit the Social Security offices in my area > recently and all the signs > posted were in Arabic with no English translations! > It was a similar > situation at the Family Independence Agency, at > least there the English > translations were present (albeit in tiny print > underneath). > Many banks and bank machines in some parts of Toronto offer you the option of banking in Chinese. Something interesting I noticed when I was in France was that most of the bank machines gave you about five choices of language. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:17:29 +0200 From: "mike laptop" Subject: After the Goldfish NJC Due to some technical problems with my iTunes player, it spewed out the following playlist. Any suggestions, or additions? mike in barcelona zoo After the Goldfish - Neil Young A Mouse Where Nobody Lives - Tom Waits Another Starfish - Stevie Wonder Cool Water Buffalo - Talking Heads Cowgirl In The Sand Fly - Neil Young Do what you lovebirds - Sherelle Smith Don't Go Into That Barn Owl - Tom Waits Easy Money Spiders - Nick Cave Funny Time Of Yearwig - Beth Gibbons Great Balls Of Firefly - Jerry Lee Lewis Harvest Mouse - Ani di Franco Heart Of Goldfinch - Neil Young Hidden Plaice - Bjorg I didn't know what time it wasp - Brad Mehldau Lagan Love/Nada Brahma Bull - Sheila Chandra Letter To A John Dory - Ani di Franco Love Like A Manatee - Ten Years After Maggie Mayfly - Rod Stewart No Thugs In Our Housefly - XTC Not Dark Yeti - Bob Dylan One Little Song Thrush - Gillian Welch Pie In The Skylark - Utah Philips and Ani di Franco Singing in the Rainbow Trout - Gene Kelly Smoke On The Water Buffalo - Deep Purple That Ladybird - Isley Brothers The Ballad Of Hollis Brown Trout - Neville Brothers Two Out Of Three Ain't Badger - Meatloaf Wild Woodpecker - Paul Weller You need to rock salmon - Duke Elligton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:40:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Protest Song Lovers - NJC Cassy, funny you mention that song, which as you know rocks as does the entire CD it's on. Back in my Sunday School teacher days, I would bring in songs and pass out lyrics and we'd discuss them (well, most times not a lot of discussion from the high school kids but at least they were exposed to them). This was one of the songs that I played. But I haven't heard it in a while; as you say it is 15 years old and more timely than ever, as are so many songs that are 25, 30, 40 years old. It depresses me when I think about it because it comes off as hard evidence that we are not moving forward as a culture. Maybe Devo had it right and we are devolving... Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Eyeball Kid" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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And at the same time, maybe someone could explain why we abbreviate "I would not" to "I'd not" or "I wouldn't", but "I will not" is "I'll not" and not "I willn't"? The English language is so inconsistent, no wonder it's said to be the hardest language in the world to learn. I remember an example of why phonetics is so difficult in English - "ghoti" could spell "fish" phonetically. "gh" from enough, "o" from women, and "ti" from motion. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:10:13 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC Catherine wrote: > LOL!As I typed that, I was thinking about Cletus, > the slack-jawed yokel, from the Simpsons, > wondering how many teeth he had. http://www.worldwide-web.com/JeffreyBabad/Simpsons/Cletus/ At least three ;o) Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:28:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Protest Song Lovers - NJC My favorite recent protest song is James McMurtry's "We Can't Make it Here": Lyrics: http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/we_cant_make_it_herelyrics.htm Free Download (acoustic): http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecantacoustic.html Free download (electric): http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecant.html Home page of McMurtry's Web site: http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/ On the album "Childish Things," which continues in heavy rotation for me. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:40 PM To: Cassy Cc: JMDL; owner-joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Protest Song Lovers - NJC Cassy, funny you mention that song, which as you know rocks as does the entire CD it's on. Back in my Sunday School teacher days, I would bring in songs and pass out lyrics and we'd discuss them (well, most times not a lot of discussion from the high school kids but at least they were exposed to them). This was one of the songs that I played. But I haven't heard it in a while; as you say it is 15 years old and more timely than ever, as are so many songs that are 25, 30, 40 years old. It depresses me when I think about it because it comes off as hard evidence that we are not moving forward as a culture. Maybe Devo had it right and we are devolving... Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Eyeball Kid" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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And to add to that list: Hayley Westenra does BSN on her live DVD; Sheena Easton does Raised On Robbery on her live video; Harry Belafonte does BSN on a video release of a Petula Clark TV special he was on. It scares me that I know this...actually I know it because I've transferred the audio from these video-only performances into our collection. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Sympathy for the Strawberry" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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From: "Richard Flynn" > My favorite recent protest song is James McMurtry's "We Can't Make it > Here": > > Lyrics: http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/we_cant_make_it_herelyrics.htm > > Free Download (acoustic): > http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecantacoustic.html > > Free download (electric): > http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecant.html > > Home page of McMurtry's Web site: > http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/ > > On the album "Childish Things," which continues in heavy rotation for me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: an addendum now NJC - --- hell@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > > LOL!As I typed that, I was thinking about Cletus, > > the slack-jawed yokel, from the Simpsons, > > wondering how many teeth he had. > > http://www.worldwide-web.com/JeffreyBabad/Simpsons/Cletus/ > > At least three ;o) > > > Hell > Don't you love the theme song? Some folk'll never eat a skunk but then again some folk'll like Cletus the slack-jawed yokel Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:52:54 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Latest news from the Poice State NJC I don't know why the F*CK we pretend we're bringing freedom to the Mideast, when all of our liberties are daily compromised. I hate Bush and his cronies and what they have done to destroy this country. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/22/washington/22cnd-intel.html?hp&ex=11510352 00&en=3653468f88851bcd&ei=5094&partner=homepage Bank Data Secretly Reviewed by U.S. to Fight Terror - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:33 PM To: Richard Flynn Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Protest Song Lovers - NJC It IS a great song and very evocative of America's once and future economy. From: "Richard Flynn" > My favorite recent protest song is James McMurtry's "We Can't Make it > Here": > > Lyrics: http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/we_cant_make_it_herelyrics.htm > > Free Download (acoustic): > http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecantacoustic.html > > Free download (electric): > http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecant.html > > Home page of McMurtry's Web site: > http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/ > > On the album "Childish Things," which continues in heavy rotation for me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:04:07 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: The Section In a message dated 6/22/06 3:20:35 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: "Cassy" > Subject: An addendum... > > To my Father's Day post. > > > ....... Speaking of Russ Kunkel, I just wanted to mention briefly that > Kunkel, Doerge, > Sklar and Kortchmar were probably the most sought-after studio musicians of > their day ...... > > Warmly > Cassy > Hey, Cassie, I wrote an article a while back about session musicians (appeared in the writers' journal I belong to) that includes a wide range of albums, songs and artists that those guys played with/for. If you or anyone else) would like to read it, contact me and I'll email it to ya'll. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:09:10 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Latest news from the Poice State NJC how about joni's "how do you stop?" i know she had something else in mind when she wrote it but it certainly is applicable to our gov't and corporate business. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Latest news from the Poice State NJC >I don't know why the F*CK we pretend we're bringing freedom to the Mideast, > when all of our liberties are daily compromised. I hate Bush and his > cronies and what they have done to destroy this country. > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/22/washington/22cnd-intel.html?hp&ex=11510352 > 00&en=3653468f88851bcd&ei=5094&partner=homepage > > Bank Data Secretly Reviewed by U.S. to Fight Terror > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Randy > Remote > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:33 PM > To: Richard Flynn > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Protest Song Lovers - NJC > > It IS a great song and very evocative of America's once and future > economy. > > From: "Richard Flynn" >> My favorite recent protest song is James McMurtry's "We Can't Make it >> Here": >> >> Lyrics: http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/we_cant_make_it_herelyrics.htm >> >> Free Download (acoustic): >> http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecantacoustic.html >> >> Free download (electric): >> http://www.compadrerecords.com/downloadpages/wecant.html >> >> Home page of McMurtry's Web site: >> http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/ >> >> On the album "Childish Things," which continues in heavy rotation for me. > > !DSPAM:144,449b3d538954984912542! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:27:51 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell is somewhat pointless Toronto Star article--NJC Kakki wrote, on the prospect of a union between our Joni and Sir Paul: "Only thing is I think he would make her quit tobacco and become a vegan. But they could work it out." Me now: Hee hee hee hee, indeed! In the words of the Association (I think): "Never, my love." ;-) Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:29:03 -0700 From: Subject: This just in... I read a review of Hotel California recently (can't recall where) and there was some Joni quoting in it. The impression I got was that is was gossipy in a good way ;-) I'm glad for the reminder to order it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:48:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: an addendum now NJC ACTUALLY it should be toothsbrush Making groceries over by yer mama an nems house. Paz (just back from dinner and drinks with Alison and her friend Laura in town for the first convention since the terror) > And shouldn't the plural of "toothbrush" be "teethbrush"? > > Gramatically, I think that once the word becomes a compound word it takes > on separate qualites. > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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