From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #226 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 226 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni & B.B. at Bread & Roses ["Kate Bennett" ] Judee Sill video (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: NJC Re: Songs to Aging Children (aka Welcome to the Dark Side, Luke) sjc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Claudia was magnificent! (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The "Joni Standard" [Snapple1984@aol.com] NJC - I Will Always Love You [Snapple1984@aol.com] NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Ronstadt [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Ronstadt [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni & B.B. at Bread & Roses ["J.DAVID SAPP" ] Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Judee Sill video and Joni "connection" [Marksa973@aol.com] Re: njc, Sherelle's note to Liz and Sam [Catherine McKay ] Re: Good news njc ["Garret" ] Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Claudia and Randall at the Kennedy Center!!!! (njc) ["Martin Giles" <] AAA ["Martin Giles" ] Re: AAA ["Randy Remote" ] Re: AAA ["Martin Giles" ] Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie [JRMCo1@aol.com] LAURA NYRO Inquiry ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC - I Will Always Love You ["Mark Scott" ] Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie ["Mark Scott" ] Re: LAURA NYRO Inquiry (NJC) [Gary Z ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:23:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni & B.B. at Bread & Roses I remember the short version ala tom rush... thanks for the backstory... I guess joni is best when allowed time to write & edit... >Then, they did "The Thrill Is Gone". He sang the first verse, soloed, and then nodded Joni towards the mic. She looked unsure, and stood back, shaking her head, so he sang again, and next time 'round Joni stepped up and belted this out... The thrill is gone The thrill is gone away The thrill is gone You left me And I hope you DIE A friend of mine was backstage that day, and hung out with Joni later that day, and she said that she had been incredibly nervous before going on with B.B. When he suggested "Thrill", she said, "what am I going to sing? and he said "Why don't you write something from your perspective".< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:27:15 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Judee Sill video (NJC) From an article in UK Sunday newspaper The Observer http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,1369079,00.html > Brilliant and bewitching, she could have been the most > famous singer-songwriter of the Seventies. But Judee Sill > was different from her Californian peers ... > While Joni Mitchell and her willowy sisters worked > their way round the folk circuits of Greenwich Village, > Judee was in reform school in Ventura, California. > While Joni was warbling of Chelsea mornings in Manhattan, > Judee was being arrested for stick-up jobs in the corner > stores of LA's San Fernando Valley, driven to such > desperate measures by a $150-a-day heroin habit. Still find it so hard to believe, especially when watching this, a video of Judee playing her amazing song "The Kiss" - which was from her second (1973) album 'Heart Food' - which someone has put up on YouTube (only until this Saturday June 17th, it says) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3EQVUkMzc&search=judee%20sill PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC Re: Songs to Aging Children (aka Welcome to the Dark Side, Luke) sjc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > You are right about garth. saw him a decade or so > ago with a touring band. > forget the others at this point but all major > players. imagine he is still > doing that. > I saw him and his wife Maude a few years ago. They were the opening act for Eric Andersen at Hugh's Room in Toronto, and Garth also accompanied Eric in his set. He was absolutely amazing. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:27:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Judee Sill video (NJC) - --- Paul Castle wrote: > Still find it so hard to believe, especially when > watching > this, a video of Judee playing her amazing song "The > Kiss" - > which was from her second (1973) album 'Heart Food' > - > which someone has put up on YouTube (only until this > > Saturday June 17th, it says) - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3EQVUkMzc&search=judee%20sill > Thanks for posting this, Paul. What a shame it's only going to be on until Saturday. Does anyone know a way of saving these things? You can't just right-click and save-as, it seems. That song is so amazing. The lyrics are of the kind that I would normally consider sappy, but somehow Judee transcends the sappiness. And the music is beautiful. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:58:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Claudia was magnificent! (njc) Hey Sherelle, thanks for your excellent report - sounds like a minifest to me! I'm glad that you got to meet and hear Randall...both of them are incredible singer/songwriters, and together they are a force to be reckoned with. Congratulations to all, including you with your Gary Wright gig - that's pretty cool. 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But it is NOT always the case that the original is as good as the cover - or at least not as catchy, well-sung, well-played or sometimes even heartfelt - that's why people have hits with cover songs. This is some people's problem with Laura Nyro, especially some Joni fans, although again, I heard Laura's versions of all the hits except Stoney End and Wedding Bell Blues - Stoned Soul Picnic, Sweet Blindness, Eli's Coming, And When I Die - first, and I think her versions are as well - if not as slickly - executed as the popular covers. Again, I'm going to make a plug for Linda Ronstadt here because the gal executes like nobody's business. I have many other great things to say about Linda Ronstadt but no one can deny that she can make a song a hit. She has the ability to hear a potential hit - artistically as well as commercially - and take it that extra step. She did this with several of Karla Bonoff's songs - "Someone to Lay Down Beside Me", "Trouble Again", "Lose Again" (I think their versions of "If He's Ever Near" and "All My Life" are pretty comparable, despite the addition of Aaron Neville to the latter). And in many cases, including but not limited to Karla Bonoff, she introduced a more pop-oriented audience to some great composers. I may never have listened to Little Feat or grown to love Lowell George's version of "Willing" if I'd never heard Linda's. But with Joni, all the elements add up. Some people don't like her versions of her own songs because her voice is "too perfect". I have never had an issue with this because I think, maybe because I've heard more of her music than the average person, she uses her voice as its own unique instrument, particularly on later albums. In addition, the richness of her open tunings and complexity of her melodies more than compensates for any lack of intrique in the voice, imho. Happy over the hump day, everybody! Love, Kira (temporarily in Delaware) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:15:07 EDT From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: NJC - I Will Always Love You Garrett - In regards to I Will Always Love You, I agree that the Whitney Houston version is flawlessly executed but somewhat lacking in sentiment. The original version, however - Dolly's vocals coupled with the story of her relationship with Porter Wagoner - packs a much greater emotional punch. Love, Kira NP: Martha Wainwright, "This Life" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:24:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Ronstadt Hi Kira! I totally agree that Linda's versions of Bonoff's songs are the gold standard. Karla is a wonderful writer, and her voice is capable but a tad flat and Linda invests these songs with more than Bonoff herself is able to. By the same token, her attempt at covering Elvis Costello was a huge miss. Of the four that I'm familiar with, only "Talking In The Dark" is OK. Just like her versions of Warren Zevon songs, she hits the right notes but misses the irony and cynicism that the originals hit spot on. For her to even try to tackle "Party Girl" and "Alison" sort of proves that she misses the point of the song in the first place. Anyway, I don't want to diss Linda...I was a big fan and her voice is always a joy to behold. Her standards sessions with Nelson Riddle remain the bar that others shoot for - and miss. Bob NP: Los Killers, "Wondering How" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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By the same token, her attempt at covering > Elvis Costello was a > huge miss. Of the four that I'm familiar with, only > "Talking In The Dark" > is OK. Just like her versions of Warren Zevon songs, > she hits the right > notes but misses the irony and cynicism that the > originals hit spot on. Oh, I do like Linda's version of Zevon's "Poor pitiful me" but I doubt there'd be too many people who could do justice to any of his stuff. Speaking of people doing excellent covers and making singer/songwriters more well-known than they might otherwise be, did anyone mention Bonnie Raitt? I haven't been paying much attention lately, but I think someone did. I was just listening to some live stuff of hers and thinking what an excellent job she does and how she makes all these songs her own. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:53:35 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Claudia was magnificent! (njc) Wow, kudos to all of you!! You guys blow me away....you are truely amazing. We have so much talent here on the JMDL. You can still see the Claude and Randall's performance on the Kennedy Center website.Glad that I could finally hear Randall perform....thanks Sherelle _http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/archive.html_ (http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/archive.html) # hugs, rosie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:19:43 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Sherelle's note to Liz and Sam Sherelle wrote, so beautifully: Dear Liz and Sam, I am so sorry to hear about your loss. Your mother is very dear to us and her pain is our pain. I know you are taking this hard because you loved your father but I have to tell you, to have the ability to love this deeply is such a blessing. Thank God you loved your father this much! There are so many that cannot say that...but you can. Please don't be afraid to cry and show your sorrow...never bury it. But after you shed your tears and dry your eyes, breathe, take a moment and try to remember some special things about your father. I know there are many. That is what he would want. He would want you to smile through your tears when you think of him. He would like to always be alive in your heart...because he is. He really is there. He's not suffering anymore and that is something to remember. Rest as much as you can because this has been a traumatic experience for you. It takes a toll on your body...more than you know. Eat because your father would want you to. Sleep because he would want you to rest. Always keep him in your heart and it will be a comfort to you dear Liz and Sam. We here at the Joni Mitchell Discussion List really care for one another and try to be there for each other. We're taking you in and loving you too.... Love, Sherelle - ---- Sherelle, I am b l o w n a w a y by what you wrote. It is absolutely perfect! So kind and compassionate, but also filled with so much practical advice and "lesson-in-survival"-ness. Comfort food for the soul, and surely you touched mine. Not only will it help Lucy and Liz and Sam, but I am going to print it out and use it to get me through my first Fathers' Day without my father here on earth. I will read it "over and over and over again, my friend" and I'll bet Marianne and Donna B. and "you know there may be more" might do the same. "I hope you don't mind I hope you don't mind that I put down in words How wonderful life is while you're in the world" (-- Bernie Taupin) You are "in the zone" these days, mon amie, and you're bringing us all with you! Mille mercis! (a thousand thanks) Big hug, Patti P. P.S. Can't wait to hear you on the radio! Whoa oh oh On the radio whoa oh oh On the radio whoa oh oh On the radio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:49:27 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: The "Joni Standard" Wow. Great post, Kira. Very insightful, beautifully written and lot's of food for thought. I guess I was hungry. :-) I concur! And thanks for reminding me of what a pleasure of Karla Bonoff and Linda's music. I had the good fortune to meet Karla Bonoff with jmdlers Kate and Kakki in Santa Barbara a few years back at a semiprivate concert. She is one of the singer/songwriter greats, as you aptly illustrate. I would resist the urge to characterize how other listeners might regard Joni's musical gifts, though, as that can't be proven. Just a thought. - -Julius - -Julius In a message dated 6/14/06 5:24:06 AM, Snapple1984@aol.com writes: > But with Joni, all the elements add up. Some people don't like her > versions > of her own songs because her voice is "too perfect". I have never had an > issue with this because I think, maybe because I've heard more of her music > than > the average person, she uses her voice as its own unique instrument, > particularly on later albums. In addition, the richness of her open tunings > and > complexity of her melodies more than compensates for any lack of intrique in > the > voice, imho. > > Happy over the hump day, everybody! > > Love, > Kira (temporarily in Delaware) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:09:39 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Judee Sill video (NJC) hi >>>paul castle >>> Judee playing her amazing song "The Kiss" - >>>catherine wrote >>>> That song is so amazing. The lyrics are of the kind that I would >>>> normally consider sappy, but somehow Judee transcends the sappiness. >>>> And the music is beautiful. has anyone listened to the recent release of judee's last album - dreams come true? i got it recently - havent had much time to listen but am really enjoying what ive heard so far. ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:28:29 -0500 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: Re: Joni & B.B. at Bread & Roses thanx for the memories....i was also there peace, david No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 6/12/06 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:30:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie did anyone mention Bonnie Raitt?> You did, and she certainly is a perfect example of someone who can take a song from even the finest and make it her own. There are only a few people who believe that Joni's "Midway" is better than Bonnie's, and others like "Angel From Montgomery"(John Prine), "Thing Called Love" (John Hiatt), "Under The Falling Sky" (Jackson Browne) prove that her song choices are impeccable. Of course it's worth pointing out that she is a helluva songwriter in her own right. Bob NP: Bela Fleck, "Moonlight Sonata" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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'Joni knew who Judee was," says guitarist Art Johnson, who accompanied Sill. 'Let's just say their cautious conversation was memorable.' Joni fans probably won't be happy with this book, which is no better and no worse than others of this genre. She doesn't come across as especially likeable, but neither do David Geffen, David Crosby, Steven Stills and virtually all of The Eagles. There is, however, a great photo of Joni with her arm around Jackson Browne's neck. I had never seen this one before. Furthering the Joni/Judee connection, Judee Sill wrote "Jesus Was A Crossmaker" with the line "He's a bandit and a heartbreaker" about her ex-boyfriend J. D. Souther, who thought Judee was a genius but left her for Linda Ronstadt. J.D. then left Linda supposedly for Joni -- and God only knows who else. In a message dated 6/14/2006 5:41:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: From an article in UK Sunday newspaper The Observer http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,1369079,00.html > Brilliant and bewitching, she could have been the most > famous singer-songwriter of the Seventies. But Judee Sill > was different from her Californian peers ... > While Joni Mitchell and her willowy sisters worked > their way round the folk circuits of Greenwich Village, > Judee was in reform school in Ventura, California. > While Joni was warbling of Chelsea mornings in Manhattan, > Judee was being arrested for stick-up jobs in the corner > stores of LA's San Fernando Valley, driven to such > desperate measures by a $150-a-day heroin habit. Still find it so hard to believe, especially when watching this, a video of Judee playing her amazing song "The Kiss" - which was from her second (1973) album 'Heart Food' - which someone has put up on YouTube (only until this Saturday June 17th, it says) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3EQVUkMzc&search=judee%20sill PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Sherelle's note to Liz and Sam - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Sherelle wrote, so beautifully: > > Dear Liz and Sam, > > I am so sorry to hear about your loss. Your mother > is very dear to us and > her pain is our pain. I know you are taking this > hard because you loved your > father but I have to tell you, to have the ability > to love this deeply is > such a blessing. > Sherelle, I am b l o w n a w a y by what you > wrote. It is absolutely > perfect! So kind and compassionate, but also filled > with so much practical > advice and "lesson-in-survival"-ness. > Comfort food for the soul, > and surely you touched mine. I just want to add a big "me too" to that. Sherelle, you had me in tears. Beautifully written, straight from the heart, and all true. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:19:20 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Cindy Sheehan in "The Nation" Make my day!!! I just learned that my hero Cindy Sheehan is on the cover of the June 12th edition of "The Nation." The article is: "Cindy Sheehan: Mother of a Movement?" When you have time on your hands, you can find it here: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060612/houppert Here's a snippet for you: "I think the people in power want you to feel helpless, because if we all find our voice, our power, we really can make a lasting difference in this country," she says. "I think we have almost two-thirds of Americans opposed to the war today, and these people just need to find their voices." Remember what Joni said on MOA? "The more voices the better, and the more out of tune voices the better?" And our friend Neil Young just got over a hundred voices together. It's time to sing. Love, Patti P., singing soprano in the upstairs choir ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:24:01 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > There are only a few people > who believe that Joni's "Midway" is better than Bonnie's > I am one. Which of Joni's "Midways" are you referring to? Which of Bonnie's? - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:47:44 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie I am one. Which of Joni's "Midways" are you referring to? Which of Bonnie's?> The only Joni recording of "Midway" that I'm aware of (not including live boots) is on Clouds. The only Bonnie recording of "Midway" that I'm aware of is on Streetlights, possibly re-released on compilations but never re-recorded that I know of. Maybe I didn't understand the question. Bob NP: Iron & Wine & Calexico, "Prison on Route 4" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Which of Joni's "Midways" are you referring to? Which of > Bonnie's?> > > The only Joni recording of "Midway" that I'm aware of (not including live > boots) is on Clouds. > The only Bonnie recording of "Midway" that I'm aware of is on Streetlights, > possibly re-released on compilations but never re-recorded that I know of. > > Maybe I didn't understand the question. > > Bob > > NP: Iron & Wine & Calexico, "Prison on Route 4" > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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I do think it's worthwhile and interesting to compare an artist's studio recordings against the live ones, though. Look at Peter Frampton; in the studio he was a limp dishrag but on stage he could rock. By the same token, some of Joni's live recordings (released and boots) surpass her studio recordings. As much as I enjoy Mingus, the live band she put together for the S&L tour took those songs and really brought them to life. Bob NP: Jane's Addiction, "Jane Says" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Look at Peter Frampton; in the studio he was a limp dishrag but on > stage he could rock. By the same token, some of Joni's live recordings > (released and boots) surpass her studio recordings. As much as I enjoy Mingus, the > live band she put together for the S&L tour took those songs and really > brought them to life. > > Bob > > NP: Jane's Addiction, "Jane Says" > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:11:57 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Good news njc Thanks for all the good wishes and advice guys, it's appreciated! Cheers GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:52:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie Difficult, but not impossible, bro. :-)> Very true - and as a postscript I'll say that every Joni performance I have of Midway is pretty dang awesome, especially the 1970 Joni-JT concert version. That whole concert just oozes beauty. Bonnie just brings a soulfulness to it that blows me away, and I have a nice live recording of Bonnie's as well. Judy Collins' version was pretty but didn't approach either one, although she was miles ahead of the unlistenable Dave van Ronk version. Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt (with the Blind Boys of Alabama), "When The Spell Is Broken" (synchronicity...this one just popped up on Radio Paradise.com and is another example of Bonnie taking a great songwriter's work (Richard Thompson in this case) and taking it to another level.) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Martin. > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:37:39 +0000 > From: "Sherelle Smith" > Subject: Claudia and Randall at the Kennedy Center!!!! (njc) > > Hi everyone! > > I am so proud of our own Claudia San Soucie who will be appearing tonight > at > the Kennedy Center's Millenium stage with Randall Williams at 6 pm! I am > going to beeeee there!!!! Hooray for our Claudia!!!! Admission is free so > if > you live in the DC area, come and see her!!!! Here is a link to the > Kennedy > Center! Hooray!!! > > Sherelle > > http://www.kennedycenter.com/programs/millennium/schedule.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:43:31 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: AAA I hear the term AAA bandied about as a music style, but I've no idea what it stands for. Could someone enlighten me? Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:55:53 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: AAA AAA stands for Adult Album Alternative, it's a radio format-and here in the US a fairly small slice, but it's the type of music people on this list would be most likely to listen to, where Dave Mathews and Paul Simon live. Here's a current AAA chart: http://www.radioandrecords.com/Formats/Charts/Triplea_Chart.asp - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Giles" >I hear the term AAA bandied about as a music style, but I've no idea what >it stands for. Could someone enlighten me? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:10:25 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: AAA The chatr has a pretty wide range of music in it, eh? Paul Simon, Snow Patrol, Little Willies ..Thanks for that Randy. Martin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "Martin Giles" ; Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Re: AAA > AAA stands for Adult Album Alternative, it's a radio format-and > here in the US a fairly small slice, but it's the type of music people > on this list would be most likely to listen to, where Dave Mathews > and Paul Simon live. Here's a current AAA chart: > > http://www.radioandrecords.com/Formats/Charts/Triplea_Chart.asp > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Giles" > >>I hear the term AAA bandied about as a music style, but I've no idea what >>it stands for. Could someone enlighten me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:46:52 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie In a message dated 6/14/06 1:58:25 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > Bonnie just brings a soulfulness to it that blows me away, and I have a > nice live recording of Bonnie's as well. > I appreciate what you're saying, Bob. To paraphrase a wise friend: "...our soul reveals its possibilities in two basic ways: The first is in an open and free manner, the second through a distorted and disconnected process. In the former case, the soul manifests itself in a real and authentic way, while in the latter case, the soul becomes diminished, distorted, and disconnected from its true nature. Both of these experiences (authenticity and distortion) are inherent in the potential of the human soul." -A.H. Almaas - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:08:15 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: LAURA NYRO Inquiry Matt Jones wrote: Howdy All, I should start off by saying that I am an extremely lucky person. By studying musicology, I've been able to devote my life's work to the music of so many wonderful women and men, particularly Joni. Now, I am in the formulating stages of a paper on Laura Nyro (Joni-Thesis will be completed sometime in the next year and hopefully worth the wait). Are there any other Laura Nyro fans out there? I know Joni said once that Laura was one of the few women musicians she felt honored to be compared with/ ranked alongside. Having said all that, does anyone here know of any Laura Nyro footage, aside from the Monterey clips? I managed to find one video of a song, Laura performing on a brightly lit stage. Pictures from this same performance are in the photo archive on lauranyro.net, and I wondered if anyone could tell me the story. Was this a whole concert recorded for television or broadcast on television? Matt J Athens, GA Welcome, Matt! Wow -- a scholarly thesis on Joni? Can't wait to read it! Another jmdler, Karen-Marie from Norway (whom I don't think we have heard from in a while....how are you, Karen? And how is Oddmund? It seems like many dim years ago!) is also writing one. I'm so glad to see scholars starting to write about our Joan. And as far as Laura Nyro goes, all I can say is: PAGING GARY Z! PAGING GARY Z! JMDL! STAT! At the Joni Tribute in NYC in early February, I had le grand plaisir to meet Gary and to break French bread with him in a bistro (along with Donna B. and Cassy and Sherelle, beautiful Joni women all) and this he told me: "I love Laura as much as Joni." I hope you two can connect and share. It would be a rich exchange, seems to me! Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:15:12 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC - I Will Always Love You - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:15 AM Subject: NJC - I Will Always Love You > Garrett - In regards to I Will Always Love You, I agree that the Whitney > Houston version is flawlessly executed but somewhat lacking in sentiment. > The > original version, however - Dolly's vocals coupled with the story of her > relationship with Porter Wagoner - packs a much greater emotional punch. > > Love, > Kira > Hello Kira, Love Dolly's version but Ronstadt's version on 'Prisoner in Disguise' is tops in my book. Whitney kill it, as far as I'm concerned. Oversung without much true feeling behind it. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:20:50 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC Re: The "Joni Standard" now Bonnie - ----- Original Message ----- From: > did anyone mention Bonnie Raitt?> > > You did, and she certainly is a perfect example of someone who can take a > song from even the finest and make it her own. There are only a few people > who believe that Joni's "Midway" is better than Bonnie's, And you have done a formalized poll? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:36:42 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Judee Sill video (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Castle" > Still find it so hard to believe, especially when watching > this, a video of Judee playing her amazing song "The Kiss" - > which was from her second (1973) album 'Heart Food' - > which someone has put up on YouTube (only until this > Saturday June 17th, it says) - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3EQVUkMzc&search=judee%20sill > Beautiful song. But did anyone else have the last 20 seconds cut off when they played this? A bit irritating. Sort of like coitus interruptus. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:57:40 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: LAURA NYRO Inquiry (NJC) Thank you sweetheart Patti, and Hi Matt, I see two videos on lauranyro.net - one is Laura performing "Broken Rainbow," and also the clip of "Poverty Train" from the Monterey Pop video. Accordig to Michele Kort's book "Soul Picnic - The Music and Passion of Laura Nyro:" (Matt - I would highly recommend this book to you) "Nyro further supported her beliefs by making a couple of charitable appearances. On April 22, that year's (1990) Earth Day, Nyro was videotaped singing "Broken Rainbow" and the tape aired on VH1's weekend Earth Day programming. A couple of months later, on June 10, she performed on the steps of the U.S. Capitol at the conclusion of a first-ever March for the Animals event. Her long hair swirled about her face as she sang in front of one of the most potent symbols of America - a word and ideal she had so often evoked in her songs." (end quote) But the Monterey performance including "Poverty Train" was Laura's live debut. She sang four songs, two of which I believe survive on video - (a partial "Wedding Bell Blues" was also captured.) She was backed by what was considered by some as an inadequate band but still did a fine job, despite a number of setbacks, including the fact that after the performance, it was said that she was booed off stage when in fact, it was someone in the audience yelling Beauuuutiful!!! At least that is what Pennebaker found when he began to archive his Monterey footage in 1997. Laura always believed she was booed off stage, and always took control of the music by playing piano herself live from then on. From Michele Kort's book "Soul Picnic," "For the rest of her career, Nyro would perform at the piano, controlling tempo and mood; that night at Monterey she sang standing at the microphone, leaving her at the mercy of both the band and the crowd." I believe Pennebaker spoke with Nyro after discovering the footage, and after all those years, Laura finally learned that she wasn't "booed," but Laura passed away before she was able to view the footage again. I think that Monterey was a major reason why she shyed away from television and video during her career and very few known videos exist so far. Laura was also known, later in her career, to destroy many tapes of takes of her recordings that she didn't like. However, a couple of my tribe friends on the Laura Nyro list may be able to add to this, as they are on this list as well - and there are a couple of videos which are wonderful gliimpses into early Laura on this site: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1A4676EB087A865B I recommend "He's A Runner," "Save the Country," and the "CBS Sunday Morning" program. Laura was dark, magical and a mystical figure to me and the music was like nothing I had ever heard - haunting and beautiful - and many of her most intense and beautiful songs weren't hits for anyone..."New York Tendaberry" is a reeling trip through New York City, like a roller coaster in the night. I fell in love with both Joni and Laura by reading every lyric when listening to their songs in those early days....I hung onto every word....magical! Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit Patti Parlette wrote: > Matt Jones wrote: > > Howdy All, > > I should start off by saying that I am an extremely lucky person. By > studying > musicology, I've been able to devote my life's work to the music of > so many > wonderful women and men, particularly Joni. > > Now, I am in the formulating stages of a paper on Laura Nyro > (Joni-Thesis > will be completed sometime in the next year and hopefully worth the > wait). Are > there any other Laura Nyro fans out there? I know Joni said once that > Laura was > one of the few women musicians she felt honored to be compared with/ > ranked > alongside. > > Having said all that, does anyone here know of any Laura Nyro > footage, aside > from the Monterey clips? I managed to find one video of a song, Laura > performing on a brightly lit stage. Pictures from this same > performance are in > the photo archive on lauranyro.net, and I wondered if anyone could > tell me the > story. Was this a whole concert recorded for television or broadcast on > television? > > Matt J > Athens, GA > > Welcome, Matt! Wow -- a scholarly thesis on Joni? Can't wait to read > it! Another jmdler, Karen-Marie from Norway (whom I don't think we > have heard from in a while....how are you, Karen? And how is > Oddmund? It seems like many dim years ago!) is also writing one. I'm > so glad to see scholars starting to write about our Joan. > > And as far as Laura Nyro goes, all I can say is: > > PAGING GARY Z! > > PAGING GARY Z! > > JMDL! STAT! > > At the Joni Tribute in NYC in early February, I had le grand plaisir > to meet Gary and to break French bread with him in a bistro (along > with Donna B. and Cassy and Sherelle, beautiful Joni women all) and > this he told me: "I love Laura as much as Joni." > > I hope you two can connect and share. It would be a rich exchange, > seems to me! > > Love, > > Patti P. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #226 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------