From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #223 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 12 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 223 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Songs to Aging Children (aka Welcome to the Dark Side, Luke) sjc [Brian] Re: Joni Standard- more on the Arrangement [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Good News, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Exciting News [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Gay men in Joni's lyrics [Bryan ] ...suffer what they must [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: ...suffer what they must ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic [andeemac2005@comcast.net] Re: The Starry Night ["roberto munguia" ] Re: ...suffer what they must (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Exciting News (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] RE: ...suffer what they must [Catherine McKay ] Re: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic njc [Em ] Re: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic ["ron" ] Re: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic njc [Em ] Re: Songs to Aging Children sjc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Exciting News!! ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Good news njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Gary Wright and Me (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Gary Wright and Me (NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Gary Wright and Me (NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Songs to Aging Children (aka Welcome to the Dark Side, Luke) sjc http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/11/Perspective/Too_old_to_die_young.shtml#Anchor-49575 Too old to die young A generation that found meaning in rock 'n' roll now seeks guidance for aging gracefully in a culture of youth. By WILLIAM McKEEN Published June 11, 2006 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope I die before I get old. - - Pete Townshend, 1965 Well, Pete - old buddy old pal - you didn't make it. You're over 60, but you were barely 20 when you wrote that famous line in My Generation. And, dude, I'm not saying 60 is old. Not at all. Time is relative, as Dr. Einstein would say, and the older I get, the younger 60 (or 70 ... or 80) seems to me. It's all a state of mind, right? But back then, maybe 60 seemed old. With the invincible fury of youth, anyone over 30 was ancient. But from where we sit today, 30 is a whippersnapper and 40 is a punk. As those of us in the baby boom generation lurch toward our assumed retirement, it's interesting to ponder that those icons of our youth ... our rock 'n' roll stars ... are getting there just before us, maybe (once again) giving voice to our feelings, as they did back in the 1960s. Popular music is an industry built on youth - which is to say on sand - and so when a rock 'n' roll artist reaches a milestone, we all feel it, because we've marked our time by their lives. Maybe we first fell in love to Rubber Soul, and so when George Harrison died, it was a personal loss. An old girlfriend I hadn't spoken to in 10 years called me that day, to talk about George. He was the quiet one, the most reserved of the Beatles, and he sang the standoffish and self-protective If I Needed Someone on Rubber Soul. (I had courted that girl with Beatle music.) Love was so simple for John Lennon and Paul McCartney. It was more complex for George, who seemed to understand us. Maybe we felt our first rush of independence - and all the joy and fear that it meant - when we heard the confusion and anger in Bob Dylan's rant, Like a Rolling Stone. He might have just been telling us to grow up (as our parents always did), but he said we must do it on our own terms and we must do it now. And maybe, after our hearts were broken the first few times, we began to feel the premature resignation and weariness of Joni Mitchell in The Circle Game, looking back on her fractured life from the vantage of an ancient 24-year-old. The seasons, they go round and round. Music is a great and mysterious motive force in human life, so it's no surprise that musicians have come to represent more than mere entertainment to those of us in the pampered and largely affluent postwar generation. Maybe we're selfish, thinking this is just a baby boom thing and that earlier generations didn't invest so much of themselves in their artists. To us, Bob Dylan, John Lennon and Joni Mitchell were people who spoke for us when we couldn't form the words. Unlike the musical icons of before - Rudy Vallee, Bing Crosby, even Elvis Presley - the Dylan/Lennon/Mitchell generation sang songs that they wrote. It was all very personal. And so now, those of us who fall into the two-decade-wide window of baby boomer, are beginning to turn 60 this year. Those who provided the soundtrack of our youth are - mostly - no longer in the arena. Some are dead, some are retired, some are shunned by the marketplace that celebrates youth - the youth they used to have, the youth their lives and music used to embody. A few are still on the road, heading for another joint, playing new music or flogging their oldies. These are the artists who made the music of our odd generation - in many ways we are selfless and altruistic, in other ways narcissistic and coddled. How will we handle aging? I suspect it won't be pretty. Vanity, thy name is boomer. No, we never met Pete Townshend, but after 40 years of listening to him, he seems like an old buddy. The records he made with the Who are the soundtrack of any teenager's frustration: I Can't Explain, My Generation, Won't Get Fooled Again. Bob Dylan, then and now, is a cipher, yet after four decades, we comfort ourselves with the illusion that when he croaks his ballads of mortality, he is speaking just to us. Joni Mitchell has content herself to stand on the side of the stage, making cogent and illuminating observations about the ridiculous parade of life, and in our darker moments, we think she has been reading our e-mail. (now me: You mean she *isn't* reading our jmdl mail??) It's hard to age gracefully in a culture of youth. It's hard enough just to live. Even rock stars have a tough time of it. Townshend is a rock icon, but he's also a sexually confused recovering substance abuser who may or may not have issues with child pornography. (Life ain't pretty.) Chuck Berry, a founding father of rock 'n' roll, has been busted spending some of his rocking-chair years watching surreptitious videos of women in the restroom of his nightclub. James Brown, the hardest working man in show business, schooled such pupils as Mick Jagger and Michael Jackson in the art of entertainment, yet seems to have issues with firearms and speed limits. Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys is one of rock's greatest eccentrics, and for a long period a near-Greta Garbo-like recluse. One of his collaborators once said of him, "He is a genius musician but an amateur human being." That seems to describe a lot of these people. * * * Every day, I stand in my den and look at the photograph framed over the couch. It's a signed, limited-edition print of an Elliot Landy picture instantly recognized by anyone of my generation - five young men standing on a hillside. It's sepia-toned, adding to the feeling that we are looking at some relic of the old, weird America. There's a 19th century feel to it, even though this picture of the Band was taken in early summer 1968, on a hill near Woodstock, N.Y. It appeared on the cover of Music From Big Pink, the 1968 album that changed the direction of rock 'n' roll music - taking it from the precipice of studio weirdness and hippy-dippy pretension back to the basics of three chords and the truth. The five members of the Band stood on that hillside, dressed - so one wag said - like frontier rabbis, giving us a calm, reasonable and reassuring voice in times of insanity. Where are these boys of summer now? Rick Danko, dead of a drug overdose; Levon Helm, his magnificent voice ravaged by cancer; Richard Manuel, dead of a suicide in a Florida motel room; Garth Hudson, musical genius and backwoods recluse; and Robbie Robertson, retired from performing, tinkering with a film score now and then. On that hillside, their lives held so much promise - they had paid their dues as a bar band but they were poised for greatness. They exuded confidence and potential. Their eyes were fearless. Their stances were ready. Their emergence marked a return to the simplicity of basic American music, an embrace of tradition after the madness of psychedelia. Although four of the five members were Canadian, they understood America better than most of us. Few artists, other than the Grateful Dead, could embody that communal ideal of music, peace and love as well as the Band. And now, those Band members still alive won't even speak to each other. Couldn't we keep them under glass, as an artifact of that more hopeful, innocent time when we were young? If we could do that, would we still be young? Afraid not. America is a culture that sanctifies and we cannot stop that culture from devouring those who have served their purpose, to make way for the Newer and Younger. Newer isn't necessarily better - in most cases, far from it. We try to hold on to youth with medicine and suture and with so much plastic surgery, some of our favorite performers look like perennially delirious reptiles. If our icons can't hold back aging, what makes us think we can? Can't we just celebrate what we are? Sure, perhaps it's hard to see Paul Rodgers, a man older than me, strutting around the stage in leather pants, belting out All Right Now. But if I had his talent and ability, wouldn't I want to do that? Aging gracefully might be possible - with regular workout, a healthy diet and the right sort of leather pants. * * * On the 20th anniversary of the Summer of Love and Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, the BBC produced a documentary about that era. Using the Beatles' song of that summer, All You Need is Love, as a starting point, the producers asked, "Is love all you need?" No, said radical leader Abbie Hoffman, we need justice. It's awareness we need, said poet Allen Ginsberg, because love arises from awareness. LSD guru Timothy Leary said we need much more than love - we need intelligence, precision and an absence of discrimination. And then they asked the question of George Harrison. He arched his eyebrow, calmly reached for the Bible on his end table and read this, from Apostle Paul's letter to the Corinthians: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast. It is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking. ... It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." Then Harrison closed the Bible, looked in the camera and said, "We stand by our story." Creating art allows us to beat the odds and find immortality, without having to do the whole Doctor Faustus thing. Buddy Holly, though dead two generations, is still young and hiccuppy when he sings Rave On. When we hear Baby, Let's Play House by Elvis Presley, he is still fresh and beautiful and undeniably the King. When dancers gaze into each other's eyes, they still hear the Drifters' yearning, soaring voices telling of the wondrous moments up on the roof or under the boardwalk. Somewhere, someone is falling in love to Otis Redding singing Try a Little Tenderness and somewhere else someone is hearing Jimi Hendrix for the first time and realizing that rules are for losers. All of those voices are dead, but when we hear them crackling out of a car speaker today, they are forever young. We can't blame our musical icons for aging - we should celebrate them and revel in the glorious spectacle of generations changing hands. They're the lucky ones. Think of the alternative - our absent friends Hendrix, Redding, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, half of the Beatles, two of the Beach Boys ... (Think of them, but if you start to sing Rock and Roll Heaven I will leap out of this page and strangle you.) Maybe we can learn from those still with us. Some of them are aging pretty darn gracefully. The Stones, remarkably, continue to roll - and they do it quite well. Joni Mitchell continues to blend her varied musical influences into a seamless, idiosyncratic fabric. Bob Dylan recently turned 65 and still manages to do onstage nightly what that other Dylan (Thomas) suggested: "Do not go gentle into that good night / Rage, rage against the dying of the light." Perhaps those of us who have clung so long to our youth can continue to learn something from our musical icons. Maybe, if we'll listen to them and what they are saying now, they can give voice to our disjointed thoughts as we step closer to the Great Beyond. In his 20s, full of fire and fury, Dylan asked us: "How does it feel - to be on your own, like a rolling stone?" Today, in his 60s, he sings in acceptance: "Some of these memories you can learn to live with - - and some of them you can't." Artists do what they have always done - take the burdens of life and explain them, ease them or simply ponder them. They carry that weight for us. Take a load off Fanny Take a load for free Take a load off Fanny And (and) (and) you can put the load right on me. William McKeen is chair of the University of Florida journalism department and the author of Highway 61. [Last modified June 11, 2006, 06:22:43] ) 2006  All Rights Reserved  St. Petersburg Times 490 First Avenue South  St. Petersburg, FL 33701  727-893-8111 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:37:04 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Standard- more on the Arrangement When I posted about the Arrangement capturing a male perspective, I forgot to mention that while the song appears to be from a third person perspective, I have always felt that the actual perspective was that of a man's conscience (or sub-conscious) - viz, a man talking to himself. The words "yes I know it gets hard" may seem to contradict this - one could see this whole song as "second person omniscient/understanding", I suppose, uttered by an an outside party. However, I have taken that as the man consoling himself, rationalizing if not quite forgiving himself. More compelling is the haunting, whispered "you could have been more than a name on the door, you could have been more, you could have been more" at the end of the song, words that one is so much more likely to repeat to oneself in silent contemplation or in a dream, unable to run away from, than to hear over and over from a third party. Bobsart Another song, capturing a different slice of life from a male perspective, is The Arrangement. When I introduced my father to Joni's LOTC 35 years ago, that was the song he immediately spotted as being relevant to him. I confess its relevance ex post facto to my own life. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:21:16 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Good News, njc Garret wrote: I've been offered a little place on a doctoral programme that i have been building up to for as long as i can remember! Congratulations Garret!!! If you pick a mentor in your particular program, choose somebody who has a history of graduating other students in a timely manner. Big smile for you!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Exciting News Marianne Rizzo wrote: From: Lori "I'm not the type who sits enthralled by every performance at Jonifest. . ." "I am and I was" Marianne my dear, you won't have even the faintest idea what sitting enthralled truly means before you've seen my imitation of Travelogue's Circle Game. Love, Nuri _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Gay men in Joni's lyrics And is there a significant difference between a transvestite, a drag queen & a cross-dresser? Bob Not really, these are just three different kinds of homosexuals. Bryan Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:58:25 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: ...suffer what they must When I stealthily tried to sneak the quote "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" into casual conversation with my very wise friend today, just to get a reaction I guess, he said this: I just want to pass it on. :-) - -Julius B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:04:41 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: RE: ...suffer what they must Or, to quote Frank Zappa: "The meek shall inherit nothing" and "The meek shall inherit the earth, but not until the strong are done with it, by which time it won't be worth a f%$k." JR in NH Original Message: - ----------------- From: JRMCo1@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:58:25 EDT To: joni@smoe.org Subject: ...suffer what they must When I stealthily tried to sneak the quote "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" into casual conversation with my very wise friend today, just to get a reaction I guess, he said this: I just want to pass it on. :-) - -Julius B - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:19:04 +0000 From: andeemac2005@comcast.net Subject: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic It was said " americana is exploding - blending country, blues, folk, jazz into one amazing big melting pot.then theres all the electronica & hip hop & stuff - who knows whats going on out there? & how about all the blending of genres & traditions. bands like afro celtic sound connection blending african & celtic music to great effect." Sorry to point this out. But this is my point how long have we seriously had "Rock" or "Jazz Rock" or " Electronic Music" I think all three of these came to the fore late 60's into the 70's?? which was my point, and Electronic Music started in Germany with Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream, Edgar Frose and Christopher Franke ( of Tang Dream) helped design Synths and Midi Software like Cubase through the 80's and from there foundation work we have what has exploded into Electronic Ambient scene we have now, This is another of my points, all of this came out of the 70's. and Peter Gabriel had a huge say in the development of Afro Celtic music Owning the Real World Label and singing on some of there albums All of this 70's generated so this is my definitive point, Apart from Rap and Hip hop, when are we going to get new music thats not Rock Country Jazz, Jazz Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk, Rock, Afro Celtic, Electronic, Ambient, New Age, Soul, R& B, Mowtown, Reggae, Singer Songwriter, if that is a genre, Because not one of these where Created in the Century 2000 not even 1990- 1999, I hope that is a bit clearer, you cant deny the facts. Maybee Im missing something, is there a new Music form called different from the above list The thing that i find difficult to understand is that, the people that apreciate the Genius of Artists like Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, and Jackson Browne, and there wonderfull Original Music and Lyrics, Can then drop from these Heights to an Artist or Band that is infanantly inferior, in all aspects of the Art, and even infer that there as good as?????. If you like i am penalising my self, but I cant bring myself to buy just well, "Good enough" CD's, It seems a waste of money. " Tori Amos" is up there with the greats in my opinion she is a modern day Genius, to cap it all I adore her PIANO playing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:55:35 -0500 From: "roberto munguia" Subject: Re: The Starry Night Nuri, You are absolutely right! It was Pollock. Turbulent Indigo!!! There's alot-o-angst to being an artist! It's the struggle to overcome the WORLD that pulls us to distraction. The late artist Agnes Martin said: " Painting is not about ideas or personal emotion. Paintings are about freedom from the cares of this world, of worldliness." I most certainly agree. Roberto _____________________________________ see my art at: www.robertomunguia.net On 6/10/06, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > Since the lyric "He'd piss in their fireplace" was mentioned on one > version of this thread, i'd like to say that though Turbulent Indigo is > mainly a song about Van Gogh, > i think that this lyric, however, refers to another painter who was also > considered a bit mad (Joni mentions him and his work as an influence to her > early abstract paintings) - Pollock. In the book "Pollock - An Americam > Saga" (and i also think it features in the movie "Pollock" with Ed Harris), > a famous incident that since then has become sort of a sybmbol to an > artist's frustation, deals with Pollock pissing in the fireplace at a party > at Guggenheim's townhouse during a fancy cocktail event. I think it's him > that she's refering to in the pissing lyric. > > Nuri > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:24:08 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: ...suffer what they must (NJC) > "The meek shall inherit the earth, but not until the strong are done with > it, by which time it won't be worth a f%$k." The "strong" are strong only because the rest of us, due to our unwillingess to take action, allow them to be. Lori, guilty of lack of action too ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:18:24 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Exciting News (NJC) > From: Lori >> I'm not the type who sits enthralled by every performance at Jonifest. . . > I am > > and I was And that's cool, Marianne. There's a ton of talent within the JMDL community. I've often regretted being elsewhere when someone at Jonifest gave an amazing performance. Nonetheless, I'm just not the "rapt" type -- in fact, I'm a WHISPERER! At times, anyway. I don't mean any disrespect to performers or listeners ... sometimes I'm so amazed by the performance I cannot help but whisper my reaction to someone nearby. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:33:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: ...suffer what they must "It's not the earth the meek inherit, it's the dirt." --- Lerner and Lowe - --- "bluejr@adelphia.net" wrote: > Or, to quote Frank Zappa: > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" > > and > > "The meek shall inherit the earth, but not until the > strong are done with > it, by which time it won't be worth a f%$k." > > JR in NH > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: JRMCo1@aol.com > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:58:25 EDT > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: ...suffer what they must > > > When I stealthily tried to sneak the quote "the > strong do what they can and > the weak suffer what they must" into casual > conversation with my very wise > friend today, just to get a reaction I guess, he > said this: > > selection in the evolution of > carbon-based life forms, e.g., like bGod helps > those that help > themselves.b> > > I just want to pass it on. :-) > > -Julius > B > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic njc All music is derivative. And all music is original too, in a sense. Everytime a person plays a song its diff in some way. Anyway, I for one love music that springs from a common human past, aka rock and roll. The late 60's and 70's were amazing, no doubt, but I don't really feel the need for a new 21 st century genre per se - something that was never heard of til after the millenium. Just beat on a drum and twang on a string like humans have always done. Its all good. I wish something new would come along and blow your mind. I'm lucky, my mind has been blown quite satisfactorily over the last 3 years or so. LArgely due to recommendations made by folks on this list. Why would you want music to be COMPLETELY different?? "Modern" ain't gonna happen again for a very long time. But post-modern is really cool, I think. Really and truly, you're wondering why the wave that was the 20th century isn't happening again. Its just not time for a century like that to happen again. Til then we're stuck with post-modern. But I like it. You can do whatever you want pretty much. I mean you may not ever get a record contract, but you can do whatever. Em ps what you are asking for seems impossible in the same sense that there is no color that is brand spanking new. Every color is a mix that happens within our perseptible spectrum. If it ain't in the spectrum then you ain't seeing it. Unless you do acid or you somehow shoot yourself off to another dimension. Maybe somewhere out there in infinity there is a "color" none of us has ever seen, because it doesn't occur in our earthly spectrum....but til we "go there" we're left to mix the colors we DO have all kinds of ways on our lowly palettes - and every once in a while something is PRETTY COOL! - --- andeemac2005@comcast.net wrote: > It was said " americana is exploding - blending country, blues, folk, > > jazz into one amazing big melting pot.then theres all the electronica > & hip > hop & stuff - who knows whats going on out there? & how about all the > > blending of genres & traditions. bands like afro celtic sound > connection > blending african & celtic music to great effect." > Sorry to point this out. But this is my point how long have we > seriously had "Rock" or "Jazz Rock" or " Electronic Music" I think > all three of these came to the fore late 60's into the 70's?? which > was my point, and Electronic Music started in Germany with Kraftwerk > and Tangerine Dream, Edgar Frose and Christopher Franke ( of Tang > Dream) helped design Synths and Midi Software like Cubase through the > 80's and from there foundation work we have what has exploded into > Electronic Ambient scene we have now, This is another of my points, > all of this came out of the 70's. and Peter Gabriel had a huge say in > the development of Afro Celtic music Owning the Real World Label and > singing on some of there albums > All of this 70's generated so this is my definitive point, Apart from > Rap and Hip hop, when are we going to get new music thats not Rock > Country Jazz, Jazz Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk, Rock, Afro Celtic, > Electronic, Ambient, New Age, Soul, R& B, Mowtown, Reggae, Singer > Songwriter, if that is a genre, Because not one of these where > Created in the Century 2000 not even 1990- 1999, I hope that is a > bit clearer, you cant deny the facts. Maybee Im missing something, > is there a new Music form called different from the above list > The thing that i find difficult to understand is that, the people > that apreciate the Genius of Artists like Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, > Bruce Springsteen, and Jackson Browne, and there wonderfull Original > Music and Lyrics, Can then drop from these Heights to an Artist or > Band that is infanantly inferior, in all aspects of the Art, and even > infer that there as good as?????. If you like i am penalising my > self, but I cant bring myself to buy just well, "Good enough" CD's, > It seems a waste of money. > " Tori Amos" is up there with the greats in my opinion she is a > modern day Genius, to cap it all I adore her PIANO playing. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:46:56 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic hi > It was said " americana is exploding - blending country, blues, folk, > jazz into one amazing big melting pot.then theres all the electronica & > hip > hop & stuff - who knows whats going on out there? & how about all the > blending of genres & traditions. bands like afro celtic sound connection > blending african & celtic music to great effect." > Sorry to point this out. But this is my point how long have we seriously > had "Rock" or "Jazz Rock" or " Electronic Music" I think all three of > these came to the fore late 60's into the 70's?? which was my point, and > Electronic Music started in Germany with Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream, > Edgar Frose and Christopher Franke ( of Tang Dream) helped design Synths > and Midi Software like Cubase through the 80's and from there foundation > work we have what has exploded into Electronic Ambient scene we have now, > This is another of my points, all of this came out of the 70's. and Peter > Gabriel had a huge say in the development of Afro Celtic music Owning the > Real World Label and singing on some of there albums > All of this 70's generated so this is my definitive point, Apart from Rap > and Hip hop, when are we going to get new music thats not Rock Country > Jazz, Jazz Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk, Rock, Afro Celtic, Electronic, > Ambient, New Age, Soul, R& B, Mowtown, Reggae, Singer Songwriter, if that > is a genre, Because not one of these where Created in the Century 2000 > not even 1990- 1999, I hope that is a bit clearer, you cant deny the > facts. Maybee Im missing something, is there a new Music form called > different from the above list > The thing that i find difficult to understand is that, the people that > apreciate the Genius of Artists like Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Bruce > Springsteen, and Jackson Browne, and there wonderfull Original Music and > Lyrics, Can then drop from these Heights to an Artist or Band that is > infanantly inferior, in all aspects of the Art, and even infer that there > as good as?????. If you like i am penalising my self, but I cant bring > myself to buy just well, "Good enough" CD's, It seems a waste of money. > " Tori Amos" is up there with the greats in my opinion she is a modern day > Genius, to cap it all I adore her PIANO playing. electronica: while electronica may have started back then, the availablilty of computers etc for home mixing has taken it to a whole new level. just like the advent of electric guitar, amplifiers & sound effects took guitar to a whole new level back then. only its not quite as noticable. the leap from acoustic to electric guitars & amps was quite obvious. the leap from synthesizers to electronica, trance, etc is probably just not quite as obvious - but every bit as revolutionary. kind of like the comparison between bin laden's crash into the wtc and the patriot act. one big flashy, one slightly less so. both significantly altering the course of history & life in america. i have heard some really good trance music mixed by friends on home computers. who's to say there isnt some revolutionary genius out there now at work in his study? americana: well - yes. blues, and folk, and jazz, and country, has been around for ages. but not in the way it is blended together now. there are some truly great artists out there. world music/afro celt: first off - you are clearly missing the point. while i mentioned them by name - its just as an example of the blending of two diverse music forms. which just happened to be african & celtic. (tho to be fair there are so many music forms in africa & what they do is just a small portion of it). while peter gabriel may have had some influence as the label owner & guesting on a couple of songs, i think perhaps you are somewhat overestimating it. the band was the brainchild of simon emmersen. anyhoo - again - they were just named as an example. if i had named someone like beeskraal you wouldnt have got the point? and although some artists like joni, & paul simon have dabbled in this - it remains dabbling. tori amos: yeah - she's pretty good. but what has she done thats original by your standards? i would have thought that the whole women songwriter with piano thing would surely just be a cheap copy of laura nyro & judee sill? (and you know there may be more) in some ways i agree with you. the boot you in the face effect of the transition from acoustic to electric, & sound effects etc, meant that some of the musicians who were active at the time, and innovative at the time, stood out big & dramatically (like wtc). but it doesnt mean that the great artists of today are any less innovative or original - just a little more subtly so (like the patriot act). if i think of artists like happy rhodes, regina spektor, diamanda galas, sheila chandra, meret becker, raya o. coal, laura sippola, ani difranco, beth orton, bjork, jayne cortez, mary gauthier, thalia zedek, im not too sure that i can think of any frame of reference for them? genius of artists like joni mitchell: well - im not too sure if youve been reading the list lately. i think the general consensus here, not too surprisingly, is that she stands out well above the rest. of the musicians you name i think only bob could be in the same category as her. and of artists you dont name i think only jimi hendrix comes close to her in terms of all out greatness - music, songwriting, lyrics, production, energy, emotion, originality. so yes - it would be nice to have the big dramatic revolution hit us from somewhere. it may already be happening & in 20 years well be able to tell our kids (if we have any) that we were there. but maybe not - maybe we'll have to just make do with some subtlety... ron np - zoe bliss - i remember (thanks mags!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic njc - --- Em wrote: > Just beat on a drum and twang on a string like humans have always > done. > Its all good. One more thought, if I may be so pathetic as to respond to my own post. All those music forms you'd mentioned as being so new and orig. from the 70's, the electronica, etc are just one more way to beat on a drum and twang on a string. Just add technology - aka a new drum, a new kind of paint brush. The technostrides NOW are more in the areas of "how" we get the music. Satellite radio, iTunes and all things computer. Em Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:12:23 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs to Aging Children sjc Mind boggling, Brian. I enjoyed this article very much. Thanks. - -Julius In a message dated 6/11/06 6:08:23 AM, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: > > http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/11/Perspective/Too_old_to_die_young.shtml#Anch or-49575 > > > Too old to die young > A generation that found meaning in rock 'n' roll now seeks guidance for > aging > gracefully in a culture of youth. > By WILLIAM McKEEN > Published June 11, 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:27:19 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Exciting News!! Hi Lori, I checked this song out as well and Wow!!! I love it!!! I also checked out their website and saw a link thanking the JMDL for their contribution to them learning guitar tabs. Woo-Hoo! Christina has an absolutely beautiful voice! I feel so terrible that I don't know more about "Big Yellow Taxi" but I plan to correct that. They are awesome!!!!! I also listened to "Case of You" and loved it as well. Hubby Rob was listening in the background and asked if that was early Joni! She captured Joni's essence in this song! And our dear Joan has given her blessing on this!!! Am I right??? This is too cool!!!!! Sherelle Lori wrote: >http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 >While you know & love most of these titles, >Henning has selected 3 songs that Joni composed >but never released. These are my faves on the >disc, particularly "The Way It Is" which is just >mind-bending. WHOA. I'll say! I just listened to the clip of "The Way It Is" on the site, and just the 2 minutes I got to hear blew my mind! In addition to Christina's superb vocal, there's some very psychedelic guitar work! When was this song written? Sounds like it was written around the same time as STAS. Thanks for sharing this with us, Bob! I'll be buying at least one copy of this CD -- and that's based on just 2 minutes of this one song. Can't wait to listen to the rest!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:35:42 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Good news njc Garrett....congratulations!!! This is wonderful news!!!!! I am so, so very happy for you! When something you've worked so hard for comes to past, it is a surreal feeling. Just savor the moment and know that dreams do come true! I'm so proud of you!!!! This is so cool!!! I love when my Joni people achieve!!!!!!! Sincerely, Sherelle Garrett wrote: I've been offered a little place on a doctoral programme that i have been building up to for as long as i can remember! It has been a stressful six months and most of my spare time has been spent gearing up to application and two rounds of interviews and written assessments etc etc but it paid off. From october i will be doing the clinical psychology doctorate here in DUblin. I really am surprised that they offered me a place. I guess i could say i'm overwhelmed. I had already begun preparing my applications for next year (and was, in some ways, hoping to end up back in London but am absolutely thrilled to offered a place here and will accept it of course) when i got their letter offering me a place. I'm nervous and a bit scared - - - this will be the most difficult thing i will ever have done. My plan is to continue working as i am for the summer. Then take a couple of weeks to get myself together just before the training programme starts. We have a week in Berlin booked at the end of september so that is good timing too. I feel restless and totally excited (the Grumpy Old Women dislike the use of 'totally' by us young people, so i will totally make sure that i totally don't use that all of the time. Totally. That show is gas;-) GARRET (wouldn't you know it.... you work hard all week long, the hottest week of the year and probably hotter than any week last year and then the bloody sun decides to hide on a saturday morning *and* you went and paid a small fortune yesterday for wild strawberries so you could make ice cream to enjoy sitting in the garden with an Iris Murdoch novel!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:38:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Gary Wright and Me (NJC) I really knew what Garrett was feeling when he announced he was accepted for his doctorate program. It is surreal. I have some news as well. This Wednesday, I'm going to be singing background vocals for Gary Wright ("Dream Weaver", "Love Is Alive") at the XM Radio Studios here in Washington DC. It won't be live (Whew!) but it will air about thirty days from then. Okay..."how did this happen???" you may ask. Two years ago I signed myself on the DC Jazz website as a singer/songwriter and then promptly forgot about it. The night I got a call from the XM engineer, I was actually listening to and singing along with "Love Is Alive" in the car five minutes before I got home. It was the most uncanny thing! When I walked into my house, Rob had this perplexed look on his face and said to me, "You have a message". I returned the call and left a message that I was definitely interested in singing with Gary Wright!!!! He later told me that he forwarded my website and CD Baby links to Gary who chose me out of four singers (myself included). So there you have it. Garrett, I definitely understand that "surreal" feeling you are experiencing. Things definitely happen when you least expect it! (Smile) Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:32:30 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Gary Wright and Me (NJC) Sherelle, your news BLOWS ME AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:14:15 -0700 From: Subject: Exciting News!! OMG! Wow! Absolutely beautiful! I see they are already out of stock but it looks like more will be available. These are GORGEOUS covers and I really hope a copy somehow makes its way to Joni. Wowohwow. Thanks for the alert, Bob. Kakki http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 The follow-up to Henning & Christina's "Big Yellow Taxi" hits the street today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:53:09 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Gary Wright and Me (NJC) Yes...I was just sharing this news with my sister.. Angie...who is big..big fan of Sherelle's. (We just listened to Eleanor Rigby) Bree NP: Victor..Heavenly Eyes > >Sherelle, your news BLOWS ME AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:57:53 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: re Folk Blues Country Afro- Celtic NJC In a message dated 6/11/06 12:49:49 PM, andeemac2005@comcast.net writes: > All of this 70's generated so this is my definitive point, Apart from Rap > and Hip hop, when are we going to get new music thats not Rock Country Jazz, > Jazz Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk, Rock, Afro Celtic, Electronic, Ambient, New Age, > Soul, R& B, Mowtown, Reggae, Singer Songwriter, if that is a genre, Because > not one of these where Created in the Century 2000 not even 1990- 1999, I > hope that is a bit clearer, you cant deny the facts. Maybee Im missing > something, is there a new Music form called different from the above list > Interesting that you should use the word "form" to describe your needs. It occurs to me that what you may be searching for, or trying to remember more accurately, is what's known as a Platonic form. Such forms do not 'exist' spatially or temporally, but merely are...like redness..the state of being red. "Music" could be considered a form, and songs, therefore, 'participate' in the form of music. Long story short: such unique form perceptions are highly personal and can't be taught or learned from experience. They have to be dredged from pre-birth innate knowledge (a priori knowledge) to consciousness by a process of reason and intellection. These are perception skills very few people have been *known* to develop. But these mysterious forms are clearly there, if you put any stock in Plato, and lately I do. So, you may be onto something. Good luck with that. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:29:13 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Gary Wright and Me (NJC) << The night I got a call from the XM engineer, I was actually listening to and singing along with "Love Is Alive" in the car five minutes before I got home. It was the most uncanny thing! When I walked into my house, Rob had this perplexed look on his face and said to me, "You have a message". I returned the call and left a message that I was definitely interested in singing with Gary Wright!!!! He later told me that he forwarded my website and CD Baby links to Gary who chose me out of four singers (myself included). >> Input, output ... synchronicity!!!! What great news, Sherelle!! Congratulations!! Love, Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #223 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------