From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #213 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, June 4 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 213 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonifest in the Spring [Patti Witten ] Re: Dad, where do barrels of oil come from? njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC - National Review's Top 50 Conservative Rock Songs [Bob Muller ] re: NJC - National Review's Top 50 Conservative Rock Songs ["mia _" ] Re: Dad, where do barrels of oil come from? njc ["gene" ] njc Thank you Canada, for being on the alert [Brian Gross Subject: Re: Jonifest in the Spring Kenny B wrote: > I'd love to go, and March 29-April 1st seems fine for me, but I'd much rather > it was in warmer weather. I'll tell you that the end of March in upstate and central NY can be considered late winter. If you think 45F and raining is spring, then that's fine, but it could be 20F and snowing. It's unlikely that you'd notice anything like spring along the ditches quite yet. But the robins would be returning. :) Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:34:50 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Dad, where do barrels of oil come from? njc Gene wrote: .... coal fired plants are the biggest threat global warming. look at china, worse air in the world. what's the answer? alternative energy, conservation, development of mass transit, building less/bigger roads (the more roads built, the more cars are used), tax breaks for conserving, tax the large consumers, zoning laws to discourage long commutes, and most of all, personal commitment from the individual citizens to consume less. (Promoter of good environmental) Hi Gene, I read this about the year 1906 earlier this week: "There were only 8,000 cars in the U.S., and only 144 miles of paved roads." Comparing this number of paved roads and cars to what we have now... just look at Google Earth... leads me to believe we are an infection of the planet rather than just living as a helpful part of the planet. The earth will heal itself, and global warming is like a fever in response to this infection in my opinion. I have to wonder if the hurricanes and malignant melanoma with loss of the protective ozone layer are perhaps also part of an immune response the earth is mounting? I do think the microcosm of what goes on in the human body bears resemblance to what goes on in the macrocosm of the environment and visa versa. The earth is not just our mother that birthed us and set us out on our own. It is more like the whole of what we are, like the body is to the cell. So, what kind of cell are we? Are we like E. coli producing vitamin K and living symbiotically in the intestine or have we become like E. coli multiplying rapidly in the blood causing sepsis? We could live as symbionts. But the conquer mentality is more like a pathogen rather than a symbiont. Thank the good earth for Joni, Neil Young, John Michael Talbot, the Dixie Chicks, Kate Bennett, you? etc. whose music is good medicine in this pathogenic madness. I hope the medicine works before the immune response kills us all or the earth becomes so imbalanced it dies. I really doubt the later will happen because I do trust the earth has the potential for a hell of an immune response before it succumbs. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 03:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC - National Review's Top 50 Conservative Rock Songs Cassy - that was an interesting list, as I alluded to in an earlier post, it's just further proof that anything can be spun in either direction. If I had the time I'd take all 50 songs and spin them in the liberal pathway. For instance, the brilliant Graham Parker song they mention - "You Can't Be Too Strong"...I've always heard the key line to be: "YOU decide what's wrong..." and have interpreted it as a definite pro-choice song. I will say that at least the writers were creative and dug deep for some pretty obscure tracks. And I don't know if the list was written tongue in cheek, or to be ironic, or ignorant. Thanks for posting the list...and I will say that I always enjoy reading conservative writers - I think it's unhealthy to only read what the left is saying - even though I often do a lot of head-shaking and eye-rolling. Bob, off to Raleigh for the weekend for a wedding NP: (Conservative band) Cheap Trick, "Big Eyes" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:21:39 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc sonja kitchell alert this afternoon on NPR NPR just had a promo that they are doing a feature on her this afternoon (saturday June 3) on All Things Considered (5 pm Eastern time) I know some of you are fans and would not want to miss this (theRev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:31:44 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: 3 June -- njc Smurf wrote: >Today Billy Joe McAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie >bridge. > >--Smurf > > > It remains sad after all these years, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:47:54 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: NJC - National Review's Top 50 Conservative Rock Songs <<50. "Stand By Your Man," by Tammy Wynette. Hillary trashed it - isn't that enough? If you're worried that Wynette's original is too country, then check out the cover version by Motvrhead.>> LMAO!! I'm with Hillary on this one. What a ridiculous song! One would think other conservatives would be embarrassed to be associated with this song. I saw one of the compilers of this list on tv the other day. He talked about "Sympathy for the Devil" and how it is conservative because the Devil is taking responsibility for all those horrible things that have happened in history. Huh? why is that conservative? Did these guys ever hear of allegory and metaphor? <<11. "The Trees," by Rush. Before there was Rush Limbaugh, there was Rush, a Canadian band whose lyrics are often libertarian. What happens in a forest when equal rights become equal outcomes? "The trees are all kept equal / By hatchet, axe, and saw.">> Don't trees need sunlight to do their photosynthesis thingy? No photosynthesis=no life. This song is a little more than about equal rights. It's about survival. If the peasants can't eat, there will indeed be peasant revolts. Should the peasants just be quiet, obedient, and die? Or should they try do something about their situation? <<13. "My City Was Gone," by The Pretenders.>> How come Joni's "Big Yellow Taxi" didn't make the cut? lol! <<19. "Kicks," by Paul Revere and the Raiders. An anti-drug song that is also anti-utopian>> Does this mean non-conservatives are pro-drug? or pro-utopian? Heck, I've known alot of druggies who are conservatives. <<28. "Janie's Got a Gun," by Aerosmith. How the right to bear arms can protect women from sexual predators: "What did her daddy do? / It's Janie's last I.O.U. / She had to take him down easy /And put a bullet in his brain / She said 'cause nobody believes me / The man was such a sleaze / He ain't never gonna be the same.">> Is this the same right-wing media that trashed "Thelma and Louise" <<34. "Godzilla," by Blue Oyster Cult. A 1977 classic about a big green monster - and more: "History shows again and again / How nature points up the folly of men.">> Isn't Godzilla a metaphor for the atomic bomb? Yes, liberals sure love them nukes. <<29. "Rime of the Ancient Mariner," by Iron Maiden. A heavy-metal classic inspired by a literary classic. How many other rock songs quote directly from Samuel Taylor Coleridge?>> I'm sure there are many. The albatross comes up often as a lyric. (And then there is Rush's "Xanadu.") Btw, Coleridge evolved into a political conservative who was also a drug addict (and who often plagiarized). Cassy, thanks for sharing this list. It gave me a good chuckle! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:37:15 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: The Second World War (njc) Yeah.I know what you mean...... Marianne and I were driving in some vehicle a few days before Memorial Day and we past a business that had on their sign ..."Happy Memorial Day". I think of it as a somber day...but again that's me. I pointed that out to her at the time and how I felt that to be odd and inappropriate. Also ..I heard a little news blip on the radio that veterans from WW11 are dying at the rate of about 1800 a month. It won't be too long until they are all gone. A sadness came over me when I heard this. Whenever I see those old guys standing in front of stores collecting I always try to stop and give a thanks and ask them when and where they served. (if I have it I will drop a few $$ in their cans too) Anyway.... I think it would be better to celebrate July 4th but commemorate Memorial Day. Bree >While we are talking about war, I was also impressed with Mark's and Gene's >thoughts. Like Mark, I cannot see "celebrating" Memorial Day with a party >and a BBQ especially in these times. I went to a ceremony at the cemetery >where my dad, a veteran, is buried. It was an all day event honoring all >soldiers of all wars and it was all about them. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:00:22 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Dad, where do barrels of oil come from? njc thanks again kakki, nice of you to keep me updated. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "gene" Cc: "joni" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Dad, where do barrels of oil come from? njc > Hi Gene, > >>we may get 10% of our oil from the middle east--------but middle east oil >>sets the prices for the oil markets globally. > > Do you mean OPEC? I'm no expert on it but OPEC is comprised of 7 mid-east > countries and Algeria, Nigeria, Indonesia and Venezuela. Not many > countries friendly to the U.S. and they have had much control in the past > as I recall. I guess then I should say we get 20% of our oil from OPEC > member countries when you count Venezuela. > >> the united states does NOT have large resources of liquid oil. what >> wells we have are capped for emergency (military?) uses. what we do >> have, as does canada, are large resources of oil in form of shale and >> coal. to mine both of these is very very hard on the environment. coal >> fired plants are the biggest threat global warming. > >>From what I've read the past few years there is much more than that being > discovered in the U.S. and Canada. Not to mention Mexico. But I think so > many have this mindset that we can't ever drill for oil or develop new > sources ever again because of the environment. I think people need to > look at or revisit the issue based on new technologies and discoveries. > Why be held hostage to OPEC or any other country? It's way overdue to do > something different. > >> look at china, worse air in the world. > > I'm glad you said that! ;-) Also, part of the reason for the high prices > is the exponential increases in demand from China and India the past few > years. > >> what's the answer? alternative energy, conservation, development of mass >> transit, building less/bigger roads (the more roads built, the more cars >> are used), tax breaks for conserving, tax the large consumers, zoning >> laws to discourage long commutes, and most of all, personal commitment >> from the individual citizens to consume less. > > Some of that has been done but not enough in some areas and not enough new > ideas in others. And some of these suggestions, while they sound good on > paper are really negative ideas to many people (more taxes, sacrifices, do > without, etc.) Some of those kinds of actions have a ripple effect that > hurts the economy and will still not eliminate the need or demand for > oil. There is no easy answer but I think we need to move beyond the > stalemate and mindset of 30 years ago. > > Maybe when I have some more time, I will post about some of the new > information out there. > > Kakki > > > !DSPAM:144,448126af9161631717467! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:02:01 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: 3 June -- njc http://redbirdjan.freeyellow.com/ode.html Smurf wrote: >Today Billy Joe McAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie >bridge. > >--Smurf > >. >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:09:57 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Dad, where do barrels of oil come from? njc nice post laura. i agree with you natural laws are the same for all living creatures-------humans included. enjoy life while you can, hug the people you love, matter of fact hug the people you don't love, do things that make you smile, because this is as good as it gets. thanks again, gene ----- Original Message ----- From: LCStanley7@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Cc: gmock@psyber.com Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:34 AM Subject: Re: Dad, where do barrels of oil come from? njc Gene wrote: .... coal fired plants are the biggest threat global warming. look at china, worse air in the world. what's the answer? alternative energy, conservation, development of mass transit, building less/bigger roads (the more roads built, the more cars are used), tax breaks for conserving, tax the large consumers, zoning laws to discourage long commutes, and most of all, personal commitment from the individual citizens to consume less. (Promoter of good environmental) Hi Gene, I read this about the year 1906 earlier this week: "There were only 8,000 cars in the U.S., and only 144 miles of paved roads." Comparing this number of paved roads and cars to what we have now... just look at Google Earth... leads me to believe we are an infection of the planet rather than just living as a helpful part of the planet. The earth will heal itself, and global warming is like a fever in response to this infection in my opinion. I have to wonder if the hurricanes and malignant melanoma with loss of the protective ozone layer are perhaps also part of an immune response the earth is mounting? I do think the microcosm of what goes on in the human body bears resemblance to what goes on in the macrocosm of the environment and visa versa. The earth is not just our mother that birthed us and set us out on our own. It is more like the whole of what we are, like the body is to the cell. So, what kind of cell are we? Are we like E. coli producing vitamin K and living symbiotically in the intestine or have we become like E. coli multiplying rapidly in the blood causing sepsis? We could live as symbionts. But the conquer mentality is more like a pathogen rather than a symbiont. Thank the good earth for Joni, Neil Young, John Michael Talbot, the Dixie Chicks, Kate Bennett, you? etc. whose music is good medicine in this pathogenic madness. I hope the medicine works before the immune response kills us all or the earth becomes so imbalanced it dies. I really doubt the later will happen because I do trust the earth has the potential for a hell of an immune response before it succumbs. Love, Laura !DSPAM:144,448165de9161655573851! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:40:48 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Grateful Dead keyboardist V. Welnick passes away NJC Sad news of another Dead pianist, dead. This AP report based news just released by Dead historian and archivist, Dennis McNally. Our own Maggie McNally's brother. My prayers and condolences go out to Dennis, the members of the band and their families and the vast Deadhead community. Not fade away... - -Julius Grateful Dead keyboardist Vince Welnick dead at 51 JOHN ROGERS Associated Press LOS ANGELES - Vince Welnick, the Grateful Dead's last keyboard player and a veteran musician of several other bands, including the Tubes and Missing Man Formation, has died at age 51, the Grateful Dead's longtime publicist confirmed Saturday. Welnick died Friday, said Dennis McNally, who declined to release the cause. Welnick lived in the northern California town of Forestville, but McNally didn't know if he died at home or in a hospital. "His service to and love for the Grateful Dead were heartfelt and essential. He had a loving soul and a joy in music that we were lucky to share," the group said in a statement on its Web site. "Our Grateful Dead prayer for the repose of his spirit: May the four winds blow him safely home." Welnick was the last in a long line of Grateful Dead keyboardists, several of whom died prematurely, leading some of the group's fans to conclude that the position came with a curse. Welnick had replaced Brent Mydland, who died of a drug overdose in 1990. Mydland had succeeded Keith Godchaux, who died in a car crash shortly after leaving the band. And Godchaux had replaced the band's original keyboard player, Ron "Pigpen" McKernan, who died at 27 in 1973. Welnick was the last musician to join the group before lead guitarist and unofficial leader Jerry Garcia's death in 1995. The death hit Welnick particularly hard, McNally said. "The loss of Jerry obviously affected everybody in the band, but I think in some ways it was just harder on Vince," he said. After struggling for several years after leaving the Tubes, he embraced the opportunity Garcia and the others gave him when they asked him to play keyboards in 1990. "To lose it within five years hurt him I think maybe worse than anybody else in the band," McNally said. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: njc sonja kitchell alert this afternoon on NPR - --- (theRev) vince wrote: > NPR just had a promo that they are doing a feature on her this afternoon > (saturday June 3) on All Things Considered (5 pm Eastern time) > > I know some of you are fans and would not want to miss this Here's the article about the piece: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5449851 (with links to listen to some of her music or the archived story) Kitchell's 'Words' Get an Encouraging Reception Sonya Kitchell performs a song from her new album, just for NPR: 'Too Beautiful' Two From 'Words' 'Train' 'Tinted Glass' All Things Considered, June 3, 2006 7 At 17, Sonya Kitchell has appeared on Letterman, performed with Herbie Hancock and she has her own CD, Words Came Back to Me. And she wrote every song on the album, a blend of blues, jazz, folk and pop. Reviewers, comparing her to Joni Mitchell and Norah Jones, marvel at her mature sound. But Kitchell has been at this business for longer than you might think. She wrote her first song when she was 12 years old. She chats with Howard Berkes about songwriting, her musical roots and how a teenager from rural Massachusetts "gets" the blues. Related NPR Stories April 10, 2006 Sonya Kitchell's Precocious Debut: 'Cold Day' Feb. 10, 2004 Norah Jones: 'Feels Like Home' May 3, 2005 Singer-Songwriter Missy Higgins Oct. 20, 2004 Joni Mitchell on a Life in Music Enjoy your weekend everyone, Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:34:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Just some thoughts...reactions Hello to all in Joni-land! Just finished reading the Digest.....Les, I don't know anything about Wild Oscar but I sure do know I loved his photograph of Joni. Oh those purple hues....I'll do some research. Mike, thanks for telling us about Imogen Heap. I'll have a listen to her CD. I want to tell everyone about Ane Brun. Does anyone know her work? Her US debut is titled: "A Temporary Dive". She's been described as a "modern-day Joni". For me there are no modern-day Joni's. There are talented musicians...lyrics that reflect thought provoking reactions....but I haven't EVER come across ANYONE or could even be slightly compared to Joni. I do, however, hear Joni's influence. But "like Joni"...NEVER. Bob....they're on the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The recent storms have been so violent here....lightning bolts make me NEED to choke back memory jolts of last August when the apartment building I was living in was struck....bad thing...but, as we've all heard that "something good comes from blah blah blah" or that "when one door closes another opens".....well, that sort of happened. It's so much better where I am now. Ah....my computer blues have finally been properly diagnosed and treated. Seems there was a wee wire cracked somewhere close outside....NOT MY computer...not me and my oh so sophisticated computer skills (huge joke). But I'm actually beginning to feel plugged in with no worry of losing our connection. AHA!!!!!! Thumps and bumps and a threatening yet "Hissing Of Summer Lawns" sound right outside my window....and the jolts must be on their way. Love and hugs from Bo "Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust; we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper." -Albert Einstein Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: njc Thank you Canada, for being on the alert http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060603/ap_on_re_ca/canada_terrorism_arrests Canada nabs 17 terror suspects in Toronto By BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writer Canadian police foiled a homegrown terrorist attack by arresting 17 suspects, apparently inspired by al-Qaida, who obtained three times the amount of an explosive ingredient used in the Oklahoma City bombing, officials said Saturday. The FBI said the Canadian suspects may have had "limited contact" with two men recently arrested on terrorism charges in Georgia. About 400 regional police and federal agents participated in the arrests Friday and early Saturday. "These individuals were allegedly intent on committing acts of terrorism against their own country and their own people," Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in a statement. "As we have said on many occasions, Canada is not immune to the threat of terrorism." The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested 12 adult suspects, ages 43 to 19, and five suspects younger than 18 on terrorism charges including plotting attacks with explosives on Canadian targets. The suspects were either citizens or residents of Canada and had trained together, police said. The group acquired three tons of ammonium nitrate  three times the amount used to blow up the Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995, in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and injured more than 800, said assistant Royal Canadian Mounted Police commissioner Mike McDonell. The fertilizer can be mixed with fuel oil or other ingredients to make a bomb. "This group posed a real and serious threat," McDonell said. "It had the capacity and intent to carry out these attacks." Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations with Canada's spy agency, CSIS, said the suspects "appeared to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by al-Qaida" but that investigators have yet to prove a link to the terror network. Five of the suspects were led in handcuffs Saturday to the Ontario Court of Justice, which was surrounded by snipers and bomb-sniffing dogs. A judge told the men not to communicate with one another and set their first bail hearing for Tuesday. Alvin Chand, a brother of suspect Steven Vikash Chand, said outside the courthouse that his brother was innocent and authorities "just want to show they're doing something." "He's not a terrorist, come on. He's a Canadian citizen," Chand said. "The people that were arrested are good people, they go to the mosque, they go to school, go to college." FBI Special Agent Richard Kolko said in Washington there may have been a connection between the Canadian suspects and a Georgia Tech student and another American who had traveled to Canada to meet with Islamic extremists to discuss locations for a terrorist strike. Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, U.S. citizens who grew up in the Atlanta area, were arrested in March. Officials at the news conference displayed purported bomb-making materials including a red cell phone wired to what appeared to be an explosives detonator inside a black toolbox. Also shown were a computer hard drive, camouflage uniforms, flashlights and walkie-talkies. A flimsy white door riddled with bullet holes was on display but no details about it were available. According to a report Saturday in The Toronto Star citing unidentified police sources, the suspects attended a terrorist training camp north of Toronto and had plotted to attack the Canadian spy agency's downtown Toronto office, among other targets in Ontario province. Authorities refused to confirm those reports. The suspects lived in either Toronto, Canada's financial capital and largest city, or the nearby cities of Mississauga or Kingston. Also at the court hearing was Aly Hindy, an imam of an Islamic center that houses a school and a mosque and has been monitored by security agencies for years. He said he knows nine of the suspects and that Muslims once again were being falsely accused. "It's not terrorism. It could be some criminal activity with a few guys, that's all," said Hindy. "We are the ones always accused. Somebody fakes a document and they are an international terrorist forging documents for al-Qaida." Rocco Galati, lawyer for two suspects from Mississauga, said his client Ahmad Ghany, 21, is a health sciences graduate from McMaster University in Hamilton. He was born in Canada, the son of a medical doctor who emigrated from Trinidad and Tobago. Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, is a computer programmer who emigrated from Egypt 20 years ago with his father, now an engineer with a nuclear utilities services company, the lawyer said. The charges came under Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act, which was passed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks  and after Osama bin Laden named Canada as one of five "Christian" nations that should be terror targets. The other countries  the U.S., Britain, Spain and Australia  have all been targeted. Portelance, of Canada's spy agency, said it was the nation's largest counterterrorism operation since the adoption of the act and that more arrests were possible. The adult suspects from Toronto are Chand, alias Abdul Shakur, 25; Fahim Ahmad, 21; Jahmaal James, 23; and Asin Mohamed Durrani, 19. Those from Mississauga are Ghany; Abdelhaleen; Zakaria Amara, 20; Asad Ansari, 21; Saad Khalid, 19; and Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43. Mohammed Dirie, 22, and Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, are from Kingston. Copyright ) 2006 The Associated Press Brian, back to lurkdom - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:20:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: a painful reminder but a must read njc Was the 2004 Election Stolen? Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House. BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #213 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------