From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #209 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 31 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 209 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonifest? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Jonifest? [Michael Paz ] Re: Jonifest? [Michael Paz ] "This Is Us", njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: "This Is Us", njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Second World War njc ["gene" ] RE: Jonifest? and maybe music in new york? ["patrick leader" ] Re: njc, protest songs today [Bob Muller ] RE: "This Is Us", njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] memorial day thoughts njc ["Kate Bennett" ] The Second World War (njc) [] RE: Hallelujah njc ["mike pritchard" ] RE: Jonifest? (NJC) ["Hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:24:01 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest? Ashara wrote: The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through Monday April 1, 2007... What say you? Hi Ashara, I don't have my work schedule yet for these dates, but I looked at this last Spring's schedule, and it looks like it is a definite possibility for me! I would love to go to the Full Moon again!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:22:24 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest? The train idea is JUST jabberwocky at this point but I thought it would be fun for sometime this year or in the future not to collide with Full Moon. Don't stress hummy it's way to early for that. Love Paz NP-I'm So Tired-Govt' Mule > Paz wrote: > > <> > > It seems like every time someone asks to have Jonifest at Full Moon again, > there is another idea on the table within a day or so for Jonifest in a > different place. > > Because of the interest, I did call Full Moon last week and have a date from > them, and I need to let them know by Friday if we want it or not. I really > don't want to have conflicting Jonifests happening at or near the same time, > because I feel it is much more important to have as many people as possible in > one place, instead of people having to decide about their time and money and > have a divided group, some in one place, some in another, and perhaps not > enough in either to make it happen. > > The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through > Monday April 1, 2007. Would everyone rather do the train idea? If you all are > serious about Full Moon, and think you can make it happen for you for those > dates, I promise to make it happen for everyone. If everyone would rather go > for > the train idea, I'm fine with that. > > What say you? > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:32:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest? Sorry! I would be interested yes indeed. Conflict with my B-Day and Mikey's but those kinda things can be worked out. Besides its MY birthday. I like the idea of cooler weather it will be interesting to watch the ducks and other pond invaders. I hope those picky queens from south Florida find a way to come as well. Come on your guys maybe there is a radical new Cuban chef or something. And lets see some newbies! Come on you guys! Ganga Line! Toga Toga Toga!!! Best Paz NP-Afro Blue-Govt' Mule > Paz wrote: > > <> > > It seems like every time someone asks to have Jonifest at Full Moon again, > there is another idea on the table within a day or so for Jonifest in a > different place. > > Because of the interest, I did call Full Moon last week and have a date from > them, and I need to let them know by Friday if we want it or not. I really > don't want to have conflicting Jonifests happening at or near the same time, > because I feel it is much more important to have as many people as possible in > one place, instead of people having to decide about their time and money and > have a divided group, some in one place, some in another, and perhaps not > enough in either to make it happen. > > The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through > Monday April 1, 2007. Would everyone rather do the train idea? If you all are > serious about Full Moon, and think you can make it happen for you for those > dates, I promise to make it happen for everyone. If everyone would rather go > for > the train idea, I'm fine with that. > > What say you? > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:39:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: "This Is Us", njc Did anyone else hear "The World Cafe" today? David Dye played a song called "This Is Us", from the new collaboration of Emmylou Harris and Mark Knopfler. I think it's pretty cool. The two of them singing together are sorta... charming I guess... like those duets with Louis and Ella. Then they played someone ELSE singing "One Big Love", which Emmylou wrote. She's made a pretty good living singing songs written by others, so it always makes me smile to hear someone doing one of hers. Maybe you had to be there to appreciate it. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "This Is Us", njc - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > Then they played someone ELSE singing "One Big > Love", which Emmylou wrote. > She's made a pretty good living singing songs > written by others, so it > always makes me smile to hear someone doing one of > hers. Maybe you had to > be there to appreciate it. > I can't tell if you're being ironic or not, but Patty Griffin wrote "One big love". Maybe it's her version you heard? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:52:25 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: The Second World War njc hi, have to chime in on this one. if there is any one thing that i would change i would do away with all these hollywood movies about war. we have become a culture of rambos, chuck norrises------we think we can cure anything with firepower, people don't bleed, and the good guys don't die. we have the best trained and equip soldiers in the world, and all this doesn't mean squat. we are virtually being fought to a standstill in iraq by a bunch of rag tag insurgents with their ied's (individual explosive devices. what we haven't learned yet is a war is won with your heart. they are willing to die for what they believe is just, we aren't. and yes, the good guys do die. don't be so hard on our soldiers, they are well trained. patti's friend andy--------he's a soldier, he deserves to be respected and he believes cindy sheean is disrespecting him and his service. the same goes for patti's friend the ex-marine----------20 years a marine------once a marine always a marine. they're soldiers. my truck, is with our leaders. our soldiers are only as good as their leaders. if there leaders are looking for decorations, promotions, or the fast lane for better duty------it'll come at the sacrifice of their men. we have brave men and women dying everyday in iraq and afganistan------for what? you'll have a few who will spout the political line, but everyone can't wait to rotate out and come home. we can beat anybody physically in this world.l but if you can't win their hearts and mind what do you win then? like vietnam we have no heart for this war in iraq. and as far as comparing iraq to vietnam or world world II------war just fucking sucks!!!!! remember, the good guys do die, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: The Second World War >I too watched Saving Private Ryan the other day, and watch replays of >Band of Brothers, and I think at times not (wishing to offend anyone) we >lose sight of what American Soldiers truly went through in that period in >time. > They were fighting an enemy with enemy Aircraft, enemy Tanks and indeed an > enemy Army, something that troops in Iraq dont have to deal with at all. > I do think the whole hero's status of troops out in Iraq is over done, I > mean they didnt have to face an organised Army when invading Iraq, It was > mass surrender all round. > When our troops fought there way to Berlin ( those that survived) from the > French beaches, they were told " Your now going to fight the Japanese " > Also Vietnam was terrible for the US Soldiers that endured that war. > > Our current Force out in Iraq is more a Police force surley, where is the > Iraq front line, were is the enemy Tanks, there is none. what Iraq is > going through now is the begining of Civil War, and our Soldiers are > getting in the way. > I also think the US Army Chiefs are very glad that our troops are in > Iraq, because it gives them fantastic training oportunities to train, far > better than War manouvers back home. can anyone deny this I ask??? the US > Army has to train to a high level of realism and Iraq gives the three star > Generals there opportunity, when you join any Army its not some carrear > where you learn a trade, you must be prepared to die. > I get very sad when I see the films I mentioned at the begining because > our troops > had to fight the Germans constantly for years, facing freezing conditions, > there bravery was amazing and when the Germans surrenderd, they then had > to go out to fight the Japanese truly these were hero's, lets define the > meaning of the Word. > I do hope I havent broken any rule in posting this. > > !DSPAM:144,447ce0b072151310213067! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:59:53 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Jonifest? and maybe music in new york? folks on the northeast list, ashara's exploring the possibility of another jonifest in march/april 07 and needs to hear about the level of support by friday, june 2. see her messages below mine. i would dearly love to see another jonifest at full moon. many people who came into new york for the joni carnegie tribute got a sense of what it would be to hang together for longer, three or four days, talking, making music etc. there is nothing quite like a jonifest, and full moon is just a wonderful place to gather. i'd say, if you've always wanted to go, tell ashara and start making plans. bring your partner or family. musician or not. if we start working on it now, perhaps we can arrange to have a musician performance evening in new york city, at the rockwood, around this event (wednesday, march 28, 07). i will pledge, right here and now, to invite at least two or three people to sleep at my apartment for a couple of days around a jonifest. it's very cheap to get to full moon, from new york, whether by bus or rented jalopy. only 10 months to go!!! patrick np - comedy central, chapelle show rerun ++++++++++++ message 1 from ashara Because of the interest, I did call Full Moon last week and have a date from them, and I need to let them know by Friday if we want it or not. I really don't want to have conflicting Jonifests happening at or near the same time, because I feel it is much more important to have as many people as possible in one place, instead of people having to decide about their time and money and have a divided group, some in one place, some in another, and perhaps not enough in either to make it happen. The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through Monday April 1, 2007. If you all are serious about Full Moon, and think you can make it happen for you for those dates, I promise to make it happen for everyone. What say you? Hugs, Ashara +++++++++++++++++++message 2 from ashara Jamie wrote: <> It really is a bit unpredictable. This year, we had a few days in February that were 70 degrees, (*extremely* unusual!!) so, you never know. I would suggest bringing layers so you will be prepared for anything. My guess is that we would be indoors almost all the time, and probably be spending a good deal of time in the Performance Space, even during the day. I can imagine the big fireplace getting a lot of use!! Julius wrote: <> LOL!! Let's decide if we all want to do this first! (It looks like enough people do.) And it will be first come, first serve on the singles, so be tuned to this space!! :-) And Rose asked: <> Yes, this was THE only date they have for us because of the weddings. I think it will work out just fine, especially for those that are flying. The airfares go WAY up during the summer months. I hope that answers most of the questions so far. We haven't heard from any newbies yet. Are any of you game for meeting some of these crazies in person?? ;-) Oh, that reminds me, that some of you may think, "I can't go to Jonifest because I'm not a performer." That is SO far from the truth!! There are many, many of us that don't perform and have a GREAT time at Jonifest!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: The Second World War > I do hope I havent broken any rule in posting > this. Yes & No...your post was a very good one and your points were well made. Any subject is fair game, just be sure and put the letters "NJC" in the subject field so that the filter will keep it from going to the folks who only want posts with Joni content. Bob NP: Pearl Jam, "Why Go" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, protest songs today But I can't get into this jukebox.> It works OK for me...do you get the little "waves" animation when you bring up the page? If not, you have to download the Macromedia Player, the link is displayed pretty prominently. If you see the radio waves, just click on Hifi or Lo-fi, select a genre and click on the forward arrow. Or just play your Neil CD on repeat, with some Steve Earle, Green Day, Pearl Jam, thrown in for good measure. Bob NP: The Delfonics, "Didn't I" (one of my all-time faves) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:26:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: "This Is Us", njc Thanks, Catherine. The liner notes in "Red Dirt Girl" say, 'All songs by Emmylou Harris except where noted', and "One Big Love" is one of the exceptions. Jim > From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" > wrote: > > Then they played someone ELSE singing "One Big > > Love", which Emmylou wrote. > > She's made a pretty good living singing songs > > written by others, so it > > always makes me smile to hear someone doing one of > > hers. Maybe you had to > > be there to appreciate it. > > > > I can't tell if you're being ironic or not, but Patty > Griffin wrote "One big love". Maybe it's her version > you heard? > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:49:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: memorial day thoughts njc I thought of posting this yesterday. Thanks to all who posted their memorial days thoughts. Like some criticize Cindy Sheehan, this memorial on our beach has made a few people crazy. They see it as a protest, not a memorial. Anyway, here's a good first hand, if not objective, perspective. Kate Heartache and hope on a stretch of sand Shelley Jorgensen - 05/24/06 It starts and ends the same way, an empty expanse of sandy beach. At about 7:30 a.m., the Veterans For Peace roll up, pulling a rickety trailer straining to hold its load of white crosses. While artists begin setting up their booths along the waterfront, the veterans begin laying a grid for the placement of 2,440 crosses in the sand. These crosses, along with the somber work of placing, watching over, and removing them, make up the Arlington West memorial. Each cross represents one American soldier killed in Iraq. Every Sunday since November of 2003, when the crosses numbered 271, this monument has been assembled in the morning and cleared away in the evening, a weekly facet of Santa Barbara's popular beach front. One by one, volunteers place cards on each cross bearing the soldier's name, age, hometown, military rank, and the day and way that he or she died. Early on Mothers Day, Arlington West was busier than usual. While the Veterans For Peace and about 30 volunteers devotedly constructed the memorial, groups of mothers arranged flowers, hung colorful banners, posted children's art work, set up stage and sound equipment and welcomed the musicians and honored guests who would be part of the day's events. Today, these mothers would happily forego Sunday brunch and well-deserved pampering to be here. They would gather their families and their community together to mourn the loss of 2,440 mothers' children, and to proclaim by their presence their belief in the power of maternal love to bring more peace to this world. The "Return to the Spirit of Mothers Day" event at Arlington West was all that Julia Ward Howe might have hoped to see in her day, when she wrote her plea that women might meet "for a great and earnest day of counsel . . . to bewail and commemorate the dead," and to "take counsel with each other as the means whereby the great human family can live in peace." She was an 1870s peacenik, expressing the deepest longing of most people, let alone mothers, I know today. I traveled from Forest Grove to Santa Barbara for this occasion because my sister, who lives there, organized it. My sister has no history of strong political activism or background in grassroots movement leadership (or even, if you were to ask family members, highly discernable organizational skills!). But inexperience was no obstacle to her in responding to a call from within her mother heart. From a sense of despair and powerlessness over the escalating violence and seemingly endless course of the war in Iraq, she listened to an interior voice suggesting there was something positive she could do. She envisioned a response that would synthesize Howe's sentiments, the hopes and sorrows of all mothers in dangerous, violent times and places, and the profound reflection of the human cost of war in the still rows of crosses on a stretch of sand in Santa Barbara. When she shared her idea with the founder of Arlington West, and her concern that perhaps her plans were too fuzzy, he advised her, "just step out and do it, and others will follow." She heeded his advice, and her friends followed. As did her friends' friends, and their friends. More was given in time and services than was requested, culminating in the gathering of nearly 300 people to share Mothers Day on this corner of the beach, with music, speeches, and the white crosses stretching out far beyond the edge of the spectators. The final, participatory piece of the program was the most compelling, powerful aspect of the day. While a local duo of female vocalists sang, all present were invited to walk through the memorial in silence, and we did. It takes a long time to cross through the memorial, spanning more than 300 feet in rows of 40 crosses per row - a long time for a crowd to be silent. Our broad, slow wave of people made its way, reverently and consciously, between and among the 2,440 names to the other side, where the silence was broken only by murmurs at first, by the few words anyone could think of to say. Some have charged that Arlington West is an unpatriotic political statement. But I see it as a straightforward statement of fact. As I placed American flags and 80-some names on those crosses in the sand where I might otherwise have been carelessly strolling or playing with my own vibrant boys, I read each name, and it didn't feel like protest. It felt like grief. And when I walked through the memorial along with scores of people I didn't know, holding my own mother's and niece's hands, it didn't feel like protest. It felt more like love. There is a sign posted in the memorial acknowledging the more than 100,000 Iraqis that have died - the majority of these being noncombatants - and another sign recognizing the major religions represented among those killed. I wonder if these are the facts that bother the people who find Arlington West so unsettling. I wonder how it is possible for people to find solace in songs and creeds glorifying patriotism, heroism and sacrifice, but not make room for the truths expressed so simply on this beach. After spending a very special Mothers Day at Arlington West, I reflect on the desolation of the mothers who lost their sons, the perseverance of elderly peace activists, the poignant music of peace, the poetry of laureates and of children who really don't understand why war must be so immutable. I am stunned by the immensity of Arlington West, perplexed by the controversy it provokes, and awed by the steadfast commitment and display of loyalty, respect, and tenderness offered by the Veterans For Peace for these lost young lives. I search for what gives resilience and strength for action when futility and cynicism so easily dominate my mind. I am aware that the complexities of geopolitics and world history exceed my grasp, and wonder whether it's just too simplistic to believe in peace on earth. But the mother I know as my sister put all uncertainty and gloom aside, called out the nurturing, protective, maternal potential in others, and found there a collective will so powerful and universal it just might prevail someday. And at the end of this Mothers Day, I looked out at the beach where, just hours before, the crosses had stood. Though it again looked like an empty expanse of sand, I saw it with all my heart - and it looked like a place for hope. Shelley Jorgensen lives in Forest Grove. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:11:10 -0700 From: Subject: The Second World War (njc) Andee, I thought yours was an interesting post. As far as rules (and this might have already been mentioned but I'm on digest) you only need to mark your post NJC so the Joni only list will not receive non-Joni related posts. I think you bring up some good points about relative hardships in the wars in which we have been involved. Certainly the older generations overall felt much more sacrifice on a relative scale. We (civilians) are not currently having to ration precious war-needed materials for one thing. On the other hand I have heard from my dad and uncles who served in WWII that the country was so behind that effort that everyone did everything they could to help out, including treating soldiers and their families very generously (with housing, food, perksm, whatever) Now we do not fight an identifed army with uniforms and marked artillery. We fight the so-called "insurgents" who are mainly either part of Al Queda or those who want a civil war. They are "unmarked" and our soliders are fighting against a kind of urban terrorists in reality. I have never understood how people can compare this war to Vietnam or WWII or other wars. Each is unique, of course. I think our soldiers today have much valor even though they may not be facing precisely the same set of circumstances as in other wars. While we are talking about war, I was also impressed with Mark's and Gene's thoughts. Like Mark, I cannot see "celebrating" Memorial Day with a party and a BBQ especially in these times. I went to a ceremony at the cemetery where my dad, a veteran, is buried. It was an all day event honoring all soldiers of all wars and it was all about them. With Gene, I agree very strongly with the feeling about not wanting to fight other peoples' wars. I am an isolationist at heart and am so ambivalent about being sucked in as the "superpower" to handle the world's problems. I also disagree with Gene that this war is all about oil. Yes, the mid-east is full of oil but so is the U.S. - we just don't want to drill it here. For those who think I am "pro-war" I would say that I am pro-defense and not because I am brainwashed but because I have been following and have been privy to these issues through some of my work for 25 years. There really is and has been a threat for many years. For me to say there isn't and that we can just paper it over for a convenient peace would not be conscionable for me. That is just my personal decision and those who think otherwise are entitled to their opinions and their own conscience. It is not an easy equation, either way. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:50:20 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Hallelujah njc Hi Garret, As a Dubliner, you should probably know about Bono's version of this song on the Leonard Cohen Tribute 'Tower of Song'. Quite different to the others that I have heard, but worth a listen. Other great versions on this CD too, including Tori Amos, Suzanne Vega, Sting & Chieftains, Peter Gabriel and a lot more... mike in barcelona np PJ Harvey - Is this desire? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:28:24 +1200 From: "Hell" Subject: RE: Jonifest? (NJC) Ashara wrote: > If you are seriously interested, and there is a good chance of > you attending > a Jonifest at Full Moon sometime next April, please e-mail me > privately and > let me know. If there is enough interest, I'll start the proceedings. While it's unlikely I'll be able to attend a Jonifest in April (I was hoping for August), I will chime in with a message to any "newbies" even vaguely considering attending with one response - "DO IT!" You definitely won't be disappointed. I've travelled from New Zealand to attend two Jonifests - 2001 and 2002, and don't regret a second spent (or dollar spent for that matter). It's an incredible experience, and one that can't be properly described adequately in email. Every second is an absolute blast, and Full Moon is an incredible venue - just perfect for everyone. And as Ashara has already said, you don't need to perform on stage to be a part of it all. I don't sing and don't play an instrument (some might suggest I "perform" in other ways!) but it's definitely not a prerequisite. You'll make some life-long friends, and the JMDL will seem even more like a second home after it all ends. Sign up now, and be a part of JMDL history! Hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #209 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------