From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #208 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 30 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 208 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- I See That Now It's Josephine [Nuriel Tobias ] Two Days (Doris Day and Anita O'Day) NJC [Kerry ] Re: Jonifest? ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Hallelujah njc [Catherine McKay ] NJC Re: Jonifest? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Jonifest? (NJC) and Suzzy Roche dream ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Jonifest? [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: njc, protest songs today ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, protest songs today [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Jonifest? ["ron" ] Paul Simon (njc) [Victor Johnson ] sesame street gangstas (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Paul Simon (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] njc, great Memorial Day posts ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Hallelujah njc [Chris Marshall ] Re: Jonifest? [Chris Marshall ] njc, Women's Call for Peace ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Jonifest? ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] njc, for bo, "another mother for peace" info ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Hallelujah njc [JoniPD ] Re: Jonifest/NE Joni List [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Jonifest? [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: njc, for bo, "another mother for peace" info [Catherine McKay ] The Second World War [andeemac2005@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 01:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: I See That Now It's Josephine An article in the Telegraph.co.uk about: Russia's homosexuals defy attacks to hold country's first gay pride march Begins with the words: Running his hands down his pink micro-dress, Josephine the drag queen croons Joni Mitchell's Big Yellow Taxi to the couples smooching on the dance floor. It is a typical evening at one of Moscow's leading gay clubs. Now THAT'S what i call typical! Nuri - --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 05:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Two Days (Doris Day and Anita O'Day) NJC Hi Joseph, Your message about Doris Day got my attention because I'm a big fan (and proud of it! :>) I think she's been overlooked as a great singer because of her sometimes silly movie and TV work. I looked up "The Love Album" on Amazon and it looks like it's a reissue of a 1967 album. She hasn't recorded in ages. It makes me wonder what her voice would sound like today! Take care, Kerry Jospeh wrote: Although I ended up buying something else, I made a mental note to revisit Doris Day and buy this album. I don't know if the "Love Album" is the last record Doris Day cut but her voice never became a shadow of her former self. I was studying her timbre and phrasing and wished she also covered another Joni song of that era. Maybe "The Dawntreader". - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:47:45 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest? Paz wrote: <> It seems like every time someone asks to have Jonifest at Full Moon again, there is another idea on the table within a day or so for Jonifest in a different place. Because of the interest, I did call Full Moon last week and have a date from them, and I need to let them know by Friday if we want it or not. I really don't want to have conflicting Jonifests happening at or near the same time, because I feel it is much more important to have as many people as possible in one place, instead of people having to decide about their time and money and have a divided group, some in one place, some in another, and perhaps not enough in either to make it happen. The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through Monday April 1, 2007. Would everyone rather do the train idea? If you all are serious about Full Moon, and think you can make it happen for you for those dates, I promise to make it happen for everyone. If everyone would rather go for the train idea, I'm fine with that. What say you? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:42:18 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Demons in my computer!!!!!!!!!!!1 Bo wrote: I remembered, sadly, that I studied piano for a few years...very few...and actually I liked my teacher who told me I could sing as well as "really" play the piano. Hi Bo, Why not give it a try now? Coincidentally, we just got a free piano yesterday. My neighbors were moving and didn't want to move it all the way from Arkansas to Alabama so they gave it to us. I love the sound and feel of a piano. Keyboards are good, but they never have moved me like pianos do. I don't know "how" to play piano, but I can mess around playing things by ear. You probably don't even have a piano now, right? Well, you never know when you might get one... we didn't expect to get one "for free" like this. You can do it Bo. A few years ago, I saw a flute at a rummage sale, and it had "make an offer" tagged to it. So, I offered $25 to the priest who was selling it. He told me he could take it to a pawn shop and get $95 for it and refused my offer. So, I said oh well and gave up on the idea of getting it. When I went to the cash register to pay for the affordable stuff I'd found, the lady said, "Father decided he'd take $25 for the flute." I felt bad and gave them $35. I didn't play flute but was fascinated by the instrument. I hung on to my flute for about a year and then a friend told me of a high school girl who was giving lessons to people in their homes. I took the flute to a music store to get it serviced so I could start lessons, and the guy at the store asked me what school my child was at. So, I told him I have 3 at the same school, and he asked me which one was going to take flute lessons, and I told him none that I was going to take flute. His reaction was comical. It woke me up to limits that don't need to be there. I took flute until the girl moved to college. I was terrible at it. My sister-in-law laughed uncontrollably at me when I played for her. She couldn't help it, and I didn't hate her for it but felt rather hopeless. She tried to apologize in between sobbing laughter and told me she didn't know it took so much wind to play a flute. I was breathing wrong obviously. I played for my best friend, and she flat out told me I was really bad. I was. The reality hurt, but I thought to myself if others can do it there must be a way for me to do it too. It wasn't until after I lost my teacher that I "learned" to play flute. I don't blame her for my inability. I've never been able to play an instrument by reading music from a book. I thought if I was going to learn to play flute, I needed to close the book. So, I did. I started playing simple Christmas carols by ear since they are engrained in my head, and as I played I walked around in circular paths through my house to regulate my breathing and enjoyed the dizzy walking without passing out. Then I bought a Marshall Tucker CD because I love the flute in those songs. I listened and tried to play along with them until I got it right. My friend Betty who came to the fest with me in 2004 is an excellent flutist, a music major. But we are so different. She is book dependent, and I can't play using books. So, when we were working up Free Man in Paris to do at the fest I got out my flute and figured out the parts because we didn't have the written music. Betty wrote down what I was playing, and that's how we got the flute part. I don't play flute in public. I can't because it has to come from my heart and if my heart is all in a tizzy because I know I'm being listened to, I freeze. Demons in my brain... But, I don't let them hold me back from enjoying playing music in private or for a few friends once in a while. I play guitar and sing at church when I'm well hidden in the choir loft. The easiest JMDL friend for me to play guitar and sing for is Bree. I fell totally at ease playing and singing for Bree for some reason. Speaking of the brain, this afternoon we are moving a class load of brains into storage for next year's neuroscience course. What an awesome gift these people have given to medical sciences for raising new doctors. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Demons in my computer!!!!!!!!!!! njc - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Hi Bo, > > Why not give it a try now? > > Coincidentally, we just got a free piano > yesterday. My neighbors were > moving and didn't want to move it all the way from > Arkansas to Alabama so they > gave it to us. ... and somehow I heard "Boulder to Birmingham" from this.... > > You probably > don't even have a piano now, > right? Well, you never know when you might get > one... we didn't expect to > get one "for free" like this. I love free pianos, as long as they don't drop onto my head, Wile E. Coyote-style! I have a keyboard, but you're right, Laura - it really doesn't feel the same and anyway, mine has fewer keys, so it's hard to get those low notes - they aren't there! But it has one thing going for it and that is - it's portable. (Another - you can change its voice to sound like other instruments and some of the voices are awesome, but I still prefer it's piano sound.) I have a friend who has one of the more expensive Yamaha Clavinets. Supposedly they feel like a real piano. They certainly look like them (and are also much less portable than the cheaper one I've got.) > ...he asked me which one was going to take > flute lessons, and I told him > none that I was going to take flute. His reaction > was comical. It woke me > up to limits that don't need to be there. > > I took flute until the girl moved to college. > I was terrible at it. My > sister-in-law laughed uncontrollably at me when I > played for her. She > couldn't help it, and I didn't hate her for it but > felt rather hopeless. The thing is, you wanted to do it and you did it, and you did it your way and if you hadn't tried, you'd always be wondering and regretting. And you kept at it and threw away the book and that worked for you - can't knock that! > My friend Betty who came to the fest with me in > 2004 is an excellent > flutist, a music major. But we are so different. > She is book dependent, and I > can't play using books. So, when we were working > up Free Man in Paris to do > at the fest I got out my flute and figured out the > parts because we didn't > have the written music. Betty wrote down what I > was playing, and that's how we > got the flute part. I remember that and I am still impressed. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:55:02 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Demons in my computer!!!!!!!!!!! njc Catherine wrote: ... and somehow I heard "Boulder to Birmingham" from this.... LOLLLL good analogy! Wonder what's up with those Birmingham girls, Cindy and Giselle? Helloooooooo!!!! (Tigger style) Thanks for being so entertaining and encouraging Catherine. I really appreciate you! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:30:03 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Hallelujah njc A few days ago i watched a youtube video of Allison Crowe singing Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah; really loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIMOdVXAPJ0&search=allison%20crowe Not that i had forgotten what an amazing song this is,but i was moved. This got me to thinking about different versions of this song that i know: Jeff Buckley (he owns it now man) John Cale Rugus Wainwright Jack L K.D. Lang hallelujah memories: 1. Sam singing Hallelujah at Jonifest in France last year. 2. Chris Marshall playing a great Jonifest performance of Hallelujah for me (i cannot remember who was singing it, you were deadly whoever you are;-) 3. Rufus Wainwright with full band playing Hallelujah when opening for Elton John last summer 4. Sitting in a friends flat in London drunkenly trying to sing along with the crowd 5. Daiman Rice bringing Delicate into Hallelujah and back again at a music festival three years ago 6. Hearing Jeff Buckley's version for the first time all those years ago I am a Cohen fan, but i do not think i have ever heard his version of Hallelujah. GARRET NP- Jack L. - Hallelujah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:22:25 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jonifest? Ashara and all, It looks like quite a few are ready to go back to Full Moon, and since you have already found a date available, why not go ahead and plan for it? If the train idea comes to fruition, that's great too. But as of now, there's not anything concrete date-wise or destination-wise for that. Folks out there who want to go to Full Moon in the spring please speak out now and let's help Ashara make this happen, it will be a great time as it always has in the past!!! To people who have never been to Full Moon Resort or to a Jonifest, this is a must for all Joni lovers at some point in their lives. These fests, wherever they are held, but particulary at Full Moon in upstate New York are literally 3 days of peace and music. You will have the most stimulating, fulfilling time of your life and make friends that will last and last. Please do go to the Jonifest section of the JMDL website and check out the accounts of the times we've had there in the past. Donna >>> 5/30/2006 7:47:45 AM >>> Paz wrote: <> It seems like every time someone asks to have Jonifest at Full Moon again, there is another idea on the table within a day or so for Jonifest in a different place. Because of the interest, I did call Full Moon last week and have a date from them, and I need to let them know by Friday if we want it or not. I really don't want to have conflicting Jonifests happening at or near the same time, because I feel it is much more important to have as many people as possible in one place, instead of people having to decide about their time and money and have a divided group, some in one place, some in another, and perhaps not enough in either to make it happen. The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through Monday April 1, 2007. Would everyone rather do the train idea? If you all are serious about Full Moon, and think you can make it happen for you for those dates, I promise to make it happen for everyone. If everyone would rather go for the train idea, I'm fine with that. What say you? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:15:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hallelujah njc - --- Garret wrote: > A few days ago i watched a youtube video of Allison > Crowe singing Leonard > Cohen's Hallelujah; really loved it. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIMOdVXAPJ0&search=allison%20crowe > > Not that i had forgotten what an amazing song this > is,but i was moved. > > This got me to thinking about different versions of > this song that i know: > > Jeff Buckley (he owns it now man) > John Cale > Rugus Wainwright > Jack L > K.D. Lang > > hallelujah memories: > > 1. Sam singing Hallelujah at Jonifest in France last > year. > 2. Chris Marshall playing a great Jonifest > performance of Hallelujah for > me (i cannot remember who was singing it, you were > deadly whoever you > are;-) I betcha, just betcha, this was Gisele Hawkins who sang it at the memorial for Mary Grace, Jonifest 2004. Not a dry eye in the house. What a beautiful feckin' song. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:57:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Jonifest? I'm definitely in, already looking forward to it. Bob NP: Jimi, "All Along The Watchtower" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:37:43 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Jonifest? (NJC) and Suzzy Roche dream ....funny...The Roches are playing here in our little N.Cal town as part of the Kate Wolf Memorial Folk Festival; all 3 of them, June 25th...hopefully I will be there. I was a sub DJ on Friday on the local radio station and played "Want Not" from the Fripp produced album you mentioned, my fave by them. Roche on! RR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Witten" > I don't know why, but I want to tell you that I had a dream just before I > woke up this morning that I was hanging with Suzzy Roche. We were actually > climbing a tree in the dark as we talked. Huh, that has to be a metaphor > for > the music biz. At first she was reserved and didn't remember me, but she > warmed up when I mentioned the Roches' "Hammond Song." I just now realized > that in the dream I had that song mixed up with the McGarrigles' "Goin > Back > To Harlan." That must be why in the dream Suzzy started to morph into Kate > McGarrigle. (She was married Loudon Wainwright III before he started up > with > Suzzy. He and Suzzy have a daughter, Lucy, and he and Kate have two kids, > Rufus and Martha. It's a ridiculously talented clan.) There is a beautiful > guitar solo in that song by none other than Robert Fripp -- who actually > produced that record ("The Roches," Warner Bros., 1979). I can still hear > the sound of that guitar in my head. Hmmm. I have a song called "Goin Back > To Moline." Maybe I subconsciously link it with both the Hammond Song and > Goin Back to Harlan. But that's the subconscious for you. It works in > mysterious ways. Suzzy comes to me in a dream when I am about to make > another record despite misgivings about some aspects of the biz, and even > though several years ago, in real life, Suzzy actually warned me away from > being a singer-songwriter. Now I know what her enigmatic caution meant, > I'm > sorry to say. It can be pretty unforgiving out there, as many of you know. > Nevertheless this life has chosen me so there I am and there you go. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Jonifest? If you build it, I will come. XO, --Smurf Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:53:17 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest? > > XO, > > --Smurf> > Me too. Is it too early to put dibs on a single? - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:09:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, protest songs today Cassy wrote: > >A song I've listened to quite a bit lately is a song by singer/songwriter >Jim Lesses. The song is called "No Blood for Oil" and was written in >January of 2003 > >One can listen to it and read the words here: > >http://unionsong.com/u169.html > Thanks, Joniamiga! The more songs the better! The title reminds me of Deb Messling's poster: "How many lives per gallon?", a picture of which I have taped to my office door. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:34:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc, protest songs today Subject: Re: Jonifest? hi >>>ashara wrote > What say you? count me in ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:23:09 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Paul Simon (njc) I've been listening to the new Paul Simon now for several weeks and I am liking it more and more. I like the touches that Brian Eno added...this might be my favorite new album of the year though there's still quite a bit of time left. My favorite lyric is "I'm gonna stand guard like a postcard of a golden retriever..." Victor NP: Paul Simon "Outrageous" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:28:51 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: sesame street gangstas (njc) I'm sure most people have heard about these shirts by now that depict the sesame street gang as thugs and gangstas. I saw a photo of one and I love it! Only they seem to be amazingly hard to find now. If anyone in Chicago, Mass, or New York comes across any, please pick one up for me. I would love to have one. And I agree that they shouldn't be worn by kids in schools but I don't see what the big uproar is about. I think its hilarious. How long has South Park been around now? The Don't-Mess-Wit-Me Street shirt seems pretty mild in comparison. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:39:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Paul Simon (njc) I've liked what I've heard of the Paul Simon record - a new-ish sound for him. My favorite lyric so far in 2006 is Patterson Hood's from the Drive-By Truckers CD..."the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits". Bob NP: David Byrne, "Like Humans Do" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:35:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, great Memorial Day posts Dear Mark and Gene: Applause, applause! A round resounding for you way up here! Your Memorial Day posts were so perfect! Wonderful! Thank you so much for speaking out. Mark, you were not rambling at all! If you will allow me once again poetic license w/ Joni lyrics: "Your talking as it did NOT ramble did NOT reveal suspicious reasoning." What a cogent and compelling argument against this war. Gene, you too. Bless you both. I wish you would both consider sending your posts (or versions thereof) to your local newspapers....take it to the streets.....talk it up. Because, in my opinion, you two can speak to the people and help them see the light. You just tell it like it is. You see both sides. You explain how you DO honor the soldiers. Yes, of course we do! You bring up the conflicting emotions and explain the incredibly complex situation very eloquently and intelligently. This is not all black and white, or red and blue. George Bush would like you to think it is, though. Us against evil. "The War on Terror." Oh, my aching back. How can you have war on a NOUN???? And he DARED to say he's "a uniter, not a divider?" Madonna mia!!! I have never seen this country so divided in all my 52 years. This may not be a particularly smooth segue (the idiomatic logic that goes on in my head....lol), forgive me please, but it drives me *completely* out of my heart and mind when people say that Cindy Sheehan is disrespecting her son's memory. Example: here is the worst encounter I have had over that. I had Christmas dinner w/ Andy's family (Andy is my son Michael's former best friend, the one who is now in Afghanistan). I was still feeling incredibly empowered and all peaced-out after having had dinner with Cindy just a few weeks before, but I was not talking about that because Andy was there. (Believe it or not, I DO know when to shut up! ) All of a sudden, out of the blue, Andy blew up. He started screaming: "You know who I HATE? I HATE CINDY SHEEHAN!!!!! She is totally disrespecting her son's memory! I HATE HER!" He was totally enraged, veins bulging and red-faced as he ranted. Wow. I can see where poor Andy is coming from. Here he is, putting his LIFE on the line for the "noble cause" he's been brainwashed to believe. (NPIMH: "Well there's a wide wide world of noble causes And lovely landscapes to discover...." but Iraq and this war ain't one of 'em!). This poor kid. Actually, he doesn't like this administration either, but he's in the army now and that is his job. So I understand how he's got to believe in what he's doing. I gently tried to explain that what Cindy is doing is motivated totally by her love for her son and her pure and fervent desire to save other mother's sons. I told him how much we love him and respect him and honor him and thank him for his service. He finally calmed down, and his parents and his grandmother and his 10 year-old sister and I all just looked at each other with sad eyes. This just breaks my f#$%ing heart. Andy is like my third son. I have had a similar, though calmer, debate with my brother. He was a Marine for 20 years. I have only seen him perhaps a dozen times in the last 25 years. He lives in CA, so when his daughter got married in Houston last week, I went (chosing love over money) to be supportive of him and his daughter, and to keep the family together in a way. I gently told him, too, that this isn't all black and white, that you can support and respect and honor the soldiers but not support the war. That seems to be a borderline some people can't get past. A few weeks ago he sent me an email....a very rare occurance, and I brightened when I saw his name in my in-box. "Ooh! A message from Pete!" But then, when I read what he wrote, I cried. He sent me pictures of Karla Comfort and her hummer. She is a mother who lost her son in Iraq. Her way of honoring him was to buy a huge hummer and have it airbrushed/painted with pictures of her son and his fallen comrades, w/ eagles and flags and all kinds of patriotic symbols on it. http://www.citydebate.com/florida/miamibeach/template.php?url=0105210602.htm I had already seen the story on TV and while it would not be MY cup of tea, I totally respect each person's right to grieve any way that helps them. If that makes her feel better, good for her. God bless her and comfort her. No mother wants her son to die in vain. And no mother wants her son to die, period. So that is why I align myself more with Cindy, who is trying her damndest to stop the madness. But here is what my brother wrote that made me cry. No salutation, no "hello", no "how are you, sis?", no "love", just this: "Look what this lady did. Why don't you send this to what's her name?" I was stunned as if I had been slapped in the face. (Sorry, I'm sensitive about these things.) That my own brother could be so disrespectful to Cindy's ("what's her name"???) work and message and then to try to tell me that THIS is the right way to think and grieve, well, that just really hurt. I did not even write back because the argument I had welling up in me had to be made in person, and gently. So that's what I did in Houston. When the subject came up, I told him that this is NOT all black and white. That I believe that this war is wrong and immoral and based on lies and faultly (perhaps fabricated) intelligence and that real people are DYING. Our sons are coming home in coffins, as cargo. I told him that many veterans have joined Cindy, how she founded Gold Star FAmilies for Peace, that the movement is not just a bunch of burned-out hippies and lefties and commies. He actually listened, looked thoughtful, and gave me some respect that might not have happened in emails. I may not have changed but his mind, but I do know I got him to think. (On a more humorous note, when Pete mentioned the mother and her hummer while we were driving around Houston, he said: "I bet you wouldn't see Patty Sheehan doing that!" I just had to laugh, cause it's all so crazy, and replied: "Cindy, Pete. It's CINDY Sheehan." He said: "Whatever." The next day he mentioned "Patty Sheehan" again, and I did not bother to correct him.) To end this too-long and rambling post, I think this is what we need to do. Talk to people, one or two at a time, one-on-one. Calmly. Gently. I encourage you, Mark and Gene, to talk it up. You guys "get it". Thank you. I am so relieved to read your posts. I really wish you would consider sending your letters to the editor, or somewhere. If more people like you speak out, we just might get the groundswell going. Remember what Joni said on MOA: "The more voices, the better!" Sorry for the rant. Maybe I should stop playing Neil's CD so often. I really didn't need to get any more pumped up! Love and peace, Patti P. P.S. Has Joni said anything lately about the state of the world? She has been so quiet! I miss her. - --------------------- "But war itself is not romantic or exciting. It is ugly and horrific and tragic and is not something to be glorified or wished for." Mark Scott hi mark, i'm a vietnam combat vet and your above words hit the nail right on the head. war is even more odious when it is fought for someone's profit. such as the case we have in iraq. memorial day is truly a sad holiday that we masked by bbqing, picnicing, camping, and whatever and i wonder how many people really think about the people that died in war. not just the soldiers but the civilans as well. war is not the answer, never has been, never will be. and i greived not only for the dead and their families but for the returning soldiers as well. because after all is said and done, history will show that their efforts, however heroic, were needless, their sacrifice senseless. they'll come back to homes where there is probably no well paying job, rising health care, and public apathy for their sacrifice. what of the ones who come home without limbs and worse yet, come back home with injuries the eyes cannot see. what of them? we can find millions of dollars for public projects name in honor of some congressman, but try to get addittional funding for veteran's healthcare is like pulling teeth. so today i think about the one's who died and the ones who are living as well----and why we always end up fighting someone else's war. gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:38:41 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Hallelujah njc On 30 May 2006, at 17:15, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Garret wrote: >> 2. Chris Marshall playing a great Jonifest >> performance of Hallelujah for >> me (i cannot remember who was singing it, you were >> deadly whoever you >> are;-) > > I betcha, just betcha, this was Gisele Hawkins who > sang it at the memorial for Mary Grace, Jonifest 2004. > Not a dry eye in the house. Ding! Got it in one. Astounding performance... - --Chris http://www.myspace.com/stryngs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:47:26 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Jonifest? I'm late in on this, but I'm game. I love Full Moon as a location, and the mix of facilities on offer is a pretty good package IMHO. - --Chris http://www.myspace.com/stryngs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:06:53 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Women's Call for Peace I invite you all to go here: http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/codepink/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=185&t=WSNTW2.dwt and sign the "Women's Call for Peace". It's a global call for peace. Men in solidarity with "Women Say No to War" are invited to join also. I just signed on as the 64,900th person. I don't know what real good it will do, but it feels good to connect my name with the cause on a global list. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:43:56 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Jonifest? Hi Ashara For me I'd love to go! As it's in New York State, that's miles easier for me, I think. Is it cold that time of year? I'm guessing that it is. I will keep my eyes peeled for updates! Much JOni Jamie Zoob On 30/05/06, Donna Binkley wrote: > Ashara and all, > > It looks like quite a few are ready to go back to Full Moon, and since > you have already found a date available, why not go ahead and plan for > it? > > If the train idea comes to fruition, that's great too. But as of now, > there's not anything concrete date-wise or destination-wise for that. > > Folks out there who want to go to Full Moon in the spring please speak > out now and let's help Ashara make this happen, it will be a great time > as it always has in the past!!! > > To people who have never been to Full Moon Resort or to a Jonifest, > this is a must for all Joni lovers at some point in their lives. These > fests, wherever they are held, but particulary at Full Moon in upstate > New York are literally 3 days of peace and music. You will have the > most stimulating, fulfilling time of your life and make friends that > will last and last. Please do go to the Jonifest section of the JMDL > website and check out the accounts of the times we've had there in the > past. > > Donna > > >>> 5/30/2006 7:47:45 AM >>> > > Paz wrote: > > <> > > It seems like every time someone asks to have Jonifest at Full Moon > again, > there is another idea on the table within a day or so for Jonifest in a > > different place. > > Because of the interest, I did call Full Moon last week and have a date > from > them, and I need to let them know by Friday if we want it or not. I > really > don't want to have conflicting Jonifests happening at or near the same > time, > because I feel it is much more important to have as many people as > possible in > one place, instead of people having to decide about their time and > money and > have a divided group, some in one place, some in another, and perhaps > not > enough in either to make it happen. > > The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through > > Monday April 1, 2007. Would everyone rather do the train idea? If you > all are > serious about Full Moon, and think you can make it happen for you for > those > dates, I promise to make it happen for everyone. If everyone would > rather go for > the train idea, I'm fine with that. > > What say you? > > Hugs, > Ashara > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:28:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, for bo, "another mother for peace" info "I rambling here.....don't want to waste anyone's time. " It's Memorial Day....I've had several hours today of quiet contemplation. Sadness overwhelms me and the tears flowed. Love to all from Bo Patti, how do you join AMP?" Don't think twice, it's all right, dear Bo! I love rambling! We're all wasting away in Jonimitchellville any way! And thanks for sharing your sadness. Makes me feel not so alone. Here is where you can join Another Mother for Peace. http://www.anothermother.org/contact.html Also, this is the only place where you can buy (through the Center for Political Graphics that they direct you to) that poster so many of us had on our bedroom and dorm walls in the early 70's: "War is not healthy for children and other living things." It's not the day-glo version I had in high school, though. Wish I still had THAT one! Hot pink and bright orange and neon green....remember those colors? And all those daisies and mandala decals on our VWs and Volvos? That reminds me. On a recent visit to my eye doctor, *somehow* Joni came up, and she told me she LOVED Joni Mitchell back in the old days. She said she used to drive around in her VW bug w/ some fancy reverb speakers (or something) and sing with her. And she had those daisies on her car! She asked what Joni has been up to (she seemed to have lost her after C & S) so I blathered on for a good ten minutes. (It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it!) The young nurse/tech in the examining room had never heard of Joni before, but now that has been corrected. (I wonder if they put some notation on my chart -- "Joni Nut", "Chatterbox", suspected OCD, or something....) Love, Patti P., another ramblin' (wo)man P.S. Another great website is www.codepinkalert.com. That's where I found that "Women Say NO to War" petition, which one of my colleagues has just signed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:46:53 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jonifest/NE Joni List If it wasn't already, could someone please forward Ashara's original mail to the NE Jonifest List? I am sure John Moore and Bette and others who only take that list would be interested. I'm home now and the home system isn't set up for much but the basics or I'd do it myself, Thanks, Donna >>> "Jamie's Box of Paints" 05/30/06 12:43 PM >>> Hi Ashara For me I'd love to go! As it's in New York State, that's miles easier for me, I think. Is it cold that time of year? I'm guessing that it is. I will keep my eyes peeled for updates! Much JOni Jamie Zoob On 30/05/06, Donna Binkley wrote: > Ashara and all, > > It looks like quite a few are ready to go back to Full Moon, and since > you have already found a date available, why not go ahead and plan for > it? > > If the train idea comes to fruition, that's great too. But as of now, > there's not anything concrete date-wise or destination-wise for that. > > Folks out there who want to go to Full Moon in the spring please speak > out now and let's help Ashara make this happen, it will be a great time > as it always has in the past!!! > > To people who have never been to Full Moon Resort or to a Jonifest, > this is a must for all Joni lovers at some point in their lives. These > fests, wherever they are held, but particulary at Full Moon in upstate > New York are literally 3 days of peace and music. You will have the > most stimulating, fulfilling time of your life and make friends that > will last and last. Please do go to the Jonifest section of the JMDL > website and check out the accounts of the times we've had there in the > past. > > Donna > > >>> 5/30/2006 7:47:45 AM >>> > > Paz wrote: > > <> > > It seems like every time someone asks to have Jonifest at Full Moon > again, > there is another idea on the table within a day or so for Jonifest in a > > different place. > > Because of the interest, I did call Full Moon last week and have a date > from > them, and I need to let them know by Friday if we want it or not. I > really > don't want to have conflicting Jonifests happening at or near the same > time, > because I feel it is much more important to have as many people as > possible in > one place, instead of people having to decide about their time and > money and > have a divided group, some in one place, some in another, and perhaps > not > enough in either to make it happen. > > The date that Full Moon is holding for us is Thursday, March 29 through > > Monday April 1, 2007. Would everyone rather do the train idea? If you > all are > serious about Full Moon, and think you can make it happen for you for > those > dates, I promise to make it happen for everyone. If everyone would > rather go for > the train idea, I'm fine with that. > > What say you? > > Hugs, > Ashara > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:00:32 +0200 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: Hallelujah njc Garret escribis: A few days ago i watched a youtube video of Allison Crowe singing Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah; really loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIMOdVXAPJ0&search=allison%20crowe Not that i had forgotten what an amazing song this is,but i was moved. [...] I am a Cohen fan, but i do not think i have ever heard his version of Hallelujah. GARRET NP- Jack L. - Hallelujah Hi, Garret! Oh, dear, you're a Cohen fan, but not as much as myself! The original Cohen rendition of this sooooo beautiful song (yes, you're absolutely right!) is now here for you to listen: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7FB35EDD56C461D5 from his 1984 Various Positions album (maybe the one I love the less from him), produced and arranged by John Lissauer, it got *a lot* of airplay in Spain in these days (we were so more younger, then ;-). I've already told you that Leo is way more known in Spain that our Joni, didn't I? and oh! yes I've missed Sam's rendition (where was I? in the pool, maybe?). I've got to repeat that loving Jonifest experience... first days in April 2007 will be the high ordeal for me (that's when I'll know if I've got the IQ Net certification for my high school)... so maybe I'll escape from all this jazz and just enjoy the moment! bye! (for now) Have a Hallelujah time! Emiliano (who loves Damien Rice's Allelujah most of all) NP: Leonard Cohen: If It Be Your Will ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:39:07 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest/NE Joni List I'm with the Full Moon too, but I am not sure about that time of the year. Were those the only dates they had available Ashara? I like it much better there in the warmer weather. rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:52:54 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest? Jamie wrote: <> It really is a bit unpredictable. This year, we had a few days in February that were 70 degrees, (*extremely* unusual!!) so, you never know. I would suggest bringing layers so you will be prepared for anything. My guess is that we would be indoors almost all the time, and probably be spending a good deal of time in the Performance Space, even during the day. I can imagine the big fireplace getting a lot of use!! Julius wrote: <> LOL!! Let's decide if we all want to do this first! (It looks like enough people do.) And it will be first come, first serve on the singles, so be tuned to this space!! :-) And Rose asked: <> Yes, this was THE only date they have for us because of the weddings. I think it will work out just fine, especially for those that are flying. The airfares go WAY up during the summer months. I hope that answers most of the questions so far. We haven't heard from any newbies yet. Are any of you game for meeting some of these crazies in person?? ;-) Oh, that reminds me, that some of you may think, "I can't go to Jonifest because I'm not a performer." That is SO far from the truth!! There are many, many of us that don't perform and have a GREAT time at Jonifest!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, for bo, "another mother for peace" info - --- Patti Parlette wrote: I > wonder if they put some > notation on my chart -- "Joni Nut", "Chatterbox", > suspected OCD, or > something....) > Or, "Call security! Stat!!!" Hee hee hee. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:05:48 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, protest songs today >Hey Patti, sounds like you need the "Peace Jukebox": > >http://www.peace-not-war.org/Jukebox/index.html > >Bob Ya think? My friends and kin would disagree! Thanks, Musik Meister. How on God's little green earth do you find this stuff? Do you have some super duper uber Ph.D in how to find music all over the world? Wow! I have a friend who is still totally lost in that music site you sent us a few weeks or months ago. He thought he had every Zappa and Hendrix thing out there, but nooooo. His wife is ready to kill me because he hasn't mowed the lawn since! (Okay, I'm exaggerating a little.) But I can't get into this jukebox. ("I wanna wreck my stockings in some jukebox dive...." JONI TIC!) I installed the macromedia/whatever player, and clicked on "hi-fi" on the left, and I get "this page cannot be displayed." Love, Patti P., not a techno-babe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:04:09 +0000 From: andeemac2005@comcast.net Subject: The Second World War I too watched Saving Private Ryan the other day, and watch replays of Band of Brothers, and I think at times not (wishing to offend anyone) we lose sight of what American Soldiers truly went through in that period in time. They were fighting an enemy with enemy Aircraft, enemy Tanks and indeed an enemy Army, something that troops in Iraq dont have to deal with at all. I do think the whole hero's status of troops out in Iraq is over done, I mean they didnt have to face an organised Army when invading Iraq, It was mass surrender all round. When our troops fought there way to Berlin ( those that survived) from the French beaches, they were told " Your now going to fight the Japanese " Also Vietnam was terrible for the US Soldiers that endured that war. Our current Force out in Iraq is more a Police force surley, where is the Iraq front line, were is the enemy Tanks, there is none. what Iraq is going through now is the begining of Civil War, and our Soldiers are getting in the way. I also think the US Army Chiefs are very glad that our troops are in Iraq, because it gives them fantastic training oportunities to train, far better than War manouvers back home. can anyone deny this I ask??? the US Army has to train to a high level of realism and Iraq gives the three star Generals there opportunity, when you join any Army its not some carrear where you learn a trade, you must be prepared to die. I get very sad when I see the films I mentioned at the begining because our troops had to fight the Germans constantly for years, facing freezing conditions, there bravery was amazing and when the Germans surrenderd, they then had to go out to fight the Japanese truly these were hero's, lets define the meaning of the Word. I do hope I havent broken any rule in posting this. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #208 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------