From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #205 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 28 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 205 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- youtube / lets impeach the president NJC ["ron" ] The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Welcome to the list ["Anita Gabrielle Tedder" ] Re: Jonifest? (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Welcome to Angela and a few thoughts [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Bob Muller ] Re: Busy weekend, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Michael Paz ] alt tunings;further thoughts [Dave Blackburn ] erratum Re: alt tunings;further thoughts [Dave Blackburn ] Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Catherine McKay ] Re: Jonifest? (NJC) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:35:18 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: youtube / lets impeach the president NJC hi im not sure who first mentioned youtube - i think it was on this list but whoever it was - a great big thank you is due anyhow - heres a link to a stunning video of bush with soundtrack by neil young: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEcWdolLAZk & another one which is also pretty good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDsbmmtMr8c (you have to copy & paste the links) ron np - dixie chicks - taking the long way (thanks kate!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio Imagine there was a Joni radio station where you could hear nothing but songs by Joni, songs by artists directly influenced by Joni, songs by artists who worked with Joni, and Joni covers? All you need to do is go to www.pandora.com and type Joni Mitchell. Then, a Joni Mitchell radio station will be created for you - isn't this great? It's all for free and no subscription needed. Have fun! Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:40:09 +0100 From: "Anita Gabrielle Tedder" Subject: Re: Welcome to the list I'd also like to say hi to Angela and say that not only will you get more information and knowledge about Joni Mitchell that probably Joni doesn't even know/remember, you'll also get great emotional support when you need it. I know because I have from time to time. The joni list  couldn't do without it. Love Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:35:13 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest? (NJC) <> Here's the problem: We can't have a weekend at Full Moon any time between early May and late October/early November because of the weddings that are the bread and butter of their business. So, in the fall, that would mean it would have to be very close to Thanksgiving, which I am assuming would not be good for people. (It would not be particularly good for me.) We could take any mid-week days in the summer or fall, but again, I think there would be too many people that would not be able to attend if it didn't include a weekend. So, that leaves April, which would not be ideal, but I am thinking about the big fireplace in the Performance Center, and how cozy that would be! :-) So far, I've only received e-mails from about 9 people, which isn't enough to move forward.......yet. I'm hoping there will be enough interest to make this happen. I'd LOVE to see all of you again, and especially meet the new members here! Perhaps some previous Jonifest-goers can talk about what their experiences have been for those that have yet to take the plunge? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:05:55 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome to Angela and a few thoughts Bo wrote: I feel that Joni offers all of us to challenge ourselves with our personal feelings in response to what she shares with us in her music, her lyrics and her painting. Hi Bo and YES - welcome to Angela!! I agree with you Bo. I also have experienced that Joni connects things in a way that makes them memorable and understandable through conveying and entering into a realization of the union of the physical and spiritual. She speaks to my heart (my "deepest center" to use San Juan de la Cruz lingo) from a place of the senses as well as from the intuitive mind. There's an additional level of touch when one experiences the song on guitar and I would imagine on piano too... walking in the footsteps of her fingers so to speak, like following the Buddha. It is good to sit under the Bodhi tree with Joni and experience the many facets of life, like the facets of a diamond. "The kind of seed sown will produce that kind of fruit. Those who do good will reap good results. Those who do evil will reap evil results. If you carefully plant a good seed, You will joyfully gather good fruit." Dhammapada I see the joyful gathering of people on this list and the incredible love for and sharing with each other as a testimony to the good seed Joni has planted by so generously and humbly sharing her talents with us. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 06:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio Pandora is very cool, but it doesn't really work that way, Nuri...the purpose for it is to promote artists other than the ones you create it for. A "Joni Mitchell" station will give you artists and songs in a similar style to Joni (at least they're similar to Joni according to the folks who assign different musical qualities to the myriad of songs in the library). I created a Joni Mitchell station and was very disappointed with it. They did on occasion play a couple of Joni tunes, and you can finetune it a bit, but I think anyone who created a JM station expecting to hear lots of Joni & Joni-related tracks is going to get very frustrated - my fave Pandora stations are my Miles Davis & Pink Floyd stations. From what I've read about the genome principle that Pandora employs, it would be really tough to pinpoint the qualities of a "Joni Mitchell" song...after all, she has touched on just about every genre and style there is. All that being said, Pandora can be a lot of fun, is a great way to hear good music from artists you've not heard of, and like you say it is totally free. Bob NP: Traffic, "Smiling Phases" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:02:34 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Busy weekend, njc Be careful my friend! We do what we have to do don't we? I hope all goes well and that you can get the boat back home without incident. This is the one you showed me a picture of isn't it? I wish you all the best. I know it means a lot to you! Love, Sherelle Jim wrote: I'm driving up to apple-growing country this weekend, to retrieve my Dad's 18-foot sailboat. The trailer needs some work before it will be road-worthy. During 15 years of storage, the license plate was removed from the trailer. The State of Ohio wouldn't license the trailer until they certify its weight. I'll put an automobile plate from a different state on the trailer, hoping to fool the cops in NY, PA, and OH. This part reminded me of the JMDL. I'm making the return trip without all of my "papers" in order, but there's nothing I can do about it. The return trip is going to be a flight of sorts, without blame. There doesn't seem to be a word in the English language for this... Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:48:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio I have had a Launchcast Station on Yahoo for years (jmichaelpaz). It is great. It askes you to rate artists that you like from 1-4, 4 being the best and it feeds you those artists + more like those artists and every so often throws new stuff at you. I have perfected mine over the years and on an average day at work where I use it I hear about 5-6 Joni songs a day + lots of CSNY, Jonatha, Tori, Ryan Adams, Whiskeytown, Sarah Lee and Johnnie, eastmnountainsouth, etc. Check it out I think you will like it. Best Paz > type Joni Mitchell. Then, a Joni Mitchell radio > station will be created for you - isn't this > great? It's all for free and no subscription > needed.> > > Pandora is very cool, but it doesn't really work > that way, Nuri...the purpose for it is to promote > artists other than the ones you create it for. A > "Joni Mitchell" station will give you artists and > songs in a similar style to Joni (at least > they're similar to Joni according to the folks > who assign different musical qualities to the > myriad of songs in the library). > > I created a Joni Mitchell station and was very > disappointed with it. They did on occasion play a > couple of Joni tunes, and you can finetune it a > bit, but I think anyone who created a JM station > expecting to hear lots of Joni & Joni-related > tracks is going to get very frustrated - my fave > Pandora stations are my Miles Davis & Pink Floyd > stations. > >> From what I've read about the genome principle > that Pandora employs, it would be really tough to > pinpoint the qualities of a "Joni Mitchell" > song...after all, she has touched on just about > every genre and style there is. > > All that being said, Pandora can be a lot of fun, > is a great way to hear good music from artists > you've not heard of, and like you say it is > totally free. > > Bob > > NP: Traffic, "Smiling Phases" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:00:17 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest? (NJC) I knew that! Well I am still definitely on the yes I am interested list altho the last weekend of April and the first weekend of May is always Jazz Fest so they are never any good. So it will be touch and go for me whenever you schedule it. As far as testimonials about the fest, just go to the site and read peoples first hand accounts of the events and see the pictures. In a nutshell tho it is SEX DRUGS AND ROCK AND ROLL. Then there are the "WHITE ASS DEAR" sightings down by the pond. The food is great. Non stop sensory overload!!! If you are sensory deprived this festival is for you. The hugs alone are worth the price of admission. The colaborations between people musically are highlight for me. The pool room has always been my fave place because it turns into an after hours club with " bring your own _______ (fill in the blank)" lots of acoustic guitars and so many moments I wish we had on film and tape, but it is probably better those moments just live in our memories. You know what ever happens in the pool room stays in the pool room. I DON'T THINK SO!!! Cause they are still talking about some of those parties. Anyways all you newbies head over to the jmdl site and read some of the stories we have told. Best Paz NP-Superstition-Beck, Bogert, and Appice > < that time of the year.>> > > Here's the problem: We can't have a weekend at Full Moon any time between > early May and late October/early November because of the weddings that are the > bread and butter of their business. So, in the fall, that would mean it would > have to be very close to Thanksgiving, which I am assuming would not be good > for people. (It would not be particularly good for me.) > > We could take any mid-week days in the summer or fall, but again, I think > there would be too many people that would not be able to attend if it didn't > include a weekend. > > So, that leaves April, which would not be ideal, but I am thinking about the > big fireplace in the Performance Center, and how cozy that would be! :-) > > So far, I've only received e-mails from about 9 people, which isn't enough > to move forward.......yet. I'm hoping there will be enough interest to make > this happen. I'd LOVE to see all of you again, and especially meet the new > members here! > > Perhaps some previous Jonifest-goers can talk about what their experiences > have been for those that have yet to take the plunge? > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:50:37 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: alt tunings;further thoughts A couple of further thoughts came to me after my post about alt tunings that I'd like to offer. I recommended buying the heaviest strings you can for tunings that drop below D. In itself that is good advice as the string tension is better and so you stay in tune better. BUT the slots in your nut are usually carved for light guage strings and are usually plastic unless you have a premium guitar. When you put fatter guage strings on you stress those nut slots and I have had two of them shear off because of it. I have taken my guitars now to a luthier and had him carve me new nuts with wider slots out of cowbone. Problem solved. In the case of Joni's alt tunings some strings are actually tuned up from standard (the 4th string in Coyote, Just like this Train for ex) and heavier guage strings are a bad idea in that instance. Hence my suggestion to create mixed sets (an extra light would do nicely in that case). I come from a jazz guitar background and chords are somewhat a specialty of mine; I have found that many Joni songs can be played note for note in standard tuning if you don't mind a reach here and there. As Joni was self taught as a guitarist she originally gravitated towards easy-to-play guitar parts using only one or two fingers; to get the voicings she wanted she chose to "turn the knobs" instead of mastering new chords with her hand and in doing so created a "trap" for herself as she called it, making live performing a problem. So in SOME cases (For the Roses is one I do in standard tuning and sounds exactly the same) you don't even need the alt tuning. That's easier on the guitar AND your brain. hope this helps.... Dave Blackburn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:47:05 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: erratum Re: alt tunings;further thoughts I wrote: In the case of Joni's alt tunings some strings are actually tuned up from standard (the 4th string in Coyote, Just like this Train for ex) and heavier guage strings are a bad idea in that instance. Hence my suggestion to create mixed sets (an extra light would do nicely in that case). I meant to say My Secret Place, not Coyote or Just like this Train. Getting confused in old age!.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:25:27 EDT From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Circle Game Video Hey Bob! In my heart, I know its a beautiful song and I DO love it, but I have to agree with you about being just a little tired of the ubiquitous THE CIRCLE GAME. However, when that choir of children started singing the chorus of the song in Chinese in the Steven Curtis Chapman video...well...it was very moving. The song really is a masterpiece in its simple way... isn't it? It has a particular power for me today since we just buried my grandmother this morning. Thanks for sharing the link to the video, Bob. AND, wow, just now on Jonathan Schwartz' New York Public Radio program, Schwartz was talking about how the work of Joni Mitchell has yet to be really studied and appreciated to the degree it deserves, 'though he's sure it will be in the future. Then he played a recording of a guy singing "Little Green"...Beautiful. Have a great weekend. All the best, Harry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Circle Game Video Hi Harry, Thanks for the note, and please accept my sympathies regarding your Grandmother. I was very close to my maternal Grandmother (she lived with us for about 25 years) and we all still talk about the memories whenever we get together. Appropriate for Memorial Day weekend. I heard Joni's original LOTC version on XM radio a couple weeks back and after it played the DJ said: "Did you cry? You're supposed to, you know." Sometimes it gets to me, sometimes not. Probably will soon a bunch since my boy will turn 20 in October and is growing up SO fast. I just heard a nice Dutch-language version by Miek & Roel yesterday. The Little Green cover you heard was most likely the version by NYC cabaret singer Jack Donahue. It is most excellent. Bob NP: Arrested Development, "Man's Final Frontier" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I have had a Launchcast Station on Yahoo for years > (jmichaelpaz). It is > great. It askes you to rate artists that you like > from 1-4, 4 being the best > and it feeds you those artists + more like those > artists and every so often > throws new stuff at you. I have perfected mine over > the years and on an > average day at work where I use it I hear about 5-6 > Joni songs a day + lots > of CSNY, Jonatha, Tori, Ryan Adams, Whiskeytown, > Sarah Lee and Johnnie, > eastmnountainsouth, etc. Check it out I think you > will like it. > > Best I've done this too and the more you rate, the better stuff they give you, because they get closer to your taste. I can tell them who I love a lot and who never to play again. However, if you want the free one, you have to be subjected to lousy commercials every so often. And I listened to it mostly at work where we have crappy old computers that mess up so often that I stopped bothering - however, we are getting brand new computers at work soon, so I'll go back to listening then. You can pay too to get the without-commercials version, but I'm too cheap to do that - I'd rather get the free one and complain about the ads. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifest? (NJC) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I knew that! Well I am still definitely on the yes I > am interested list > I'm definitely interested, but don't know if this year is going to work for me, only because of upheavals in my personal life. I'm hoping all that will be well behind me by spring though. > > As far as testimonials about the fest, just go to > the site and read peoples > first hand accounts of the events and see the > pictures. In a nutshell tho it > is SEX DRUGS AND ROCK AND ROLL. Then there are the > "WHITE ASS DEAR" > sightings down by the pond. Oh, and the spring-fed, not-even-solar-heated pool would probably be extra groovy in April in the mountains - invigorating, yes? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:46:42 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest? (NJC) I meant to say earlier that I met a guy, Jerome Trahan, on the train "City of New Orleans" in Chicago (during the Arlo Guthrie tour) who is THE GUY with Amtrak promotions and music stuff an such. We are working on a train ride for a Joni Fest. One sleeper car has 56 berths. If we load up one sleeper car we get a club car and a seats car as well all private. The club car has a club style thingy on top with bar and sound system etc. and downstairs is the galley and dining area. We were thinking about the Sunset Limited which runs between Atlanta and L.A. It really has possibilities with people like Cindy and Giselle, and Jerry, and, Muller and Jimmy and That Feckin Cuban, not to mention the Mingus contingent, through New Orleans to the West Coast for a fab show on the left bank. And back or beyond. Seattle anyone. We are working on possible details with Jerome who was here last night with his wife. Someone with more patience than myself or even Jerome who is suppose to know this shit, can look at the line and come up with a concept (Amtrak.com). Anywhere on the Amtrak line is open to us. Step up to the plate and see if you can come up with an Amtrak route that would be a great Jonifest run. I know they hit Chicago Memphis Charlottesville Washington as well as many other US cites. I don't know why I did not think of it before. The possibilities of people uniting in one city (free passage) and continuing on a Jonifest trip together at a low cost. And what if what if what if someone stepped on a train in NYC started partying with some folks from DC an hour later went down to SC and picked up some yahoos who knew some folk in HOTlanta with the contingents from Birmingham and Florida passed thru Mississippi and Louisiana picked up a Texas Tush and headed west thru the damn state of Texas and Nuevo Mexico headed west to L.A and S.F. Yonder to north Seattle and maybe Vancouver and even if everybody didn't make it each step of the way the feeling would go and and on and well you get the meaning. It is a diversion of the cruise theory but I am liking it. This is actually a sub chapter of a conversation I had with Jerome on tour talking about a Singer/Songwriter pass that would put you on a train headed on a route that they do all the time anyway. It would allow you to get on a train and have the best possible accommodations available at the time (understanding that you might night have a sleeper on a leg or two of your tour if NOT planned properly. BUT for so many cats like Gregg Cagno, Victoe Johnson. The Divine Ms. Claudia, Jack Neilson, (add your name here cause I don't have that much time). All trains would have a club car where musicians could utilize and open mic policy and play music in the club car and pimp their cd's and other travellers would have great enetertainment and musicians could get around on tour for a lot less money than gas would have you do. Anyways am I making sense? I just cooked a great Phat Thai and Tom yung Koong and I have had a couple of martinis and a few tunes on guitar. Talk amongst yerselves and tell me if I have lost it or if I am mad or if I have had toooooooo many (oh please no). Love Paz > --- Michael Paz wrote: > >> I knew that! Well I am still definitely on the yes I >> am interested list >> > > I'm definitely interested, but don't know if this year > is going to work for me, only because of upheavals in > my personal life. I'm hoping all that will be well > behind me by spring though. > >> >> As far as testimonials about the fest, just go to >> the site and read peoples >> first hand accounts of the events and see the >> pictures. In a nutshell tho it >> is SEX DRUGS AND ROCK AND ROLL. Then there are the >> "WHITE ASS DEAR" >> sightings down by the pond. > > Oh, and the spring-fed, not-even-solar-heated pool > would probably be extra groovy in April in the > mountains - invigorating, yes? > > > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #205 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------