From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #203 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 26 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 203 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC)& Happy Birthday, Bob ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni on Crooks and Liars site [billdollinger ] Re: Message from Website - Morning Morgantown [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: new to the list... [Em ] Paris ["Mark Tatum" ] Re: Joni and The France Myth (NJC) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: new to the list... ["Michael Flaherty" ] njc, Federal Marriage Amendment ["Patti Parlette" ] Don Alias interview ["c Karma" ] Re: new to the list... [Catherine McKay ] Re: back to Joni work, porous with travel fever ["mack watson-bush" ] Joni ringtones (VLJC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Paris [Nuriel Tobias ] Jonifest? (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: new to the list... ["Cassy" ] Re: Don Alias interview ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) ["ron" ] Re: new to the list... ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni and the France Myth ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Don Alias interview ["c Karma" ] Re: new to the list... [MoVFTYite@aol.com] NJC Bob Dylan on Coverville [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Bob Dylan on Coverville ["Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC)& Happy Birthday, Bob > I wonder if Joni might like the sound of applause for a ring tone? Laura< >Happy birthday, Bob Dylan. Jerry< Just had to respond to these two posts & quote: I stood unwound beneath the skies And clouds unbound by laws. The cryin' rain like a trumpet sang And asked for no applause. BD, LDYWT (I just love that last line) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 03:54:21 EDT From: MoVFTYite@aol.com Subject: new to the list... Hello everyone, I'm Angela, a brand new "jimdle". I started listening to Joni's music about 5 years ago, and I became an instant addict, of course. I (try to) play some of her songs on guitar and I've looked for songbooks with original tablature, but so far the couple books that I've picked up have what looks to be simplified, fake chords/piano music and no tabs. It's disappointing, because I really want to play her music the way it sounds on the recordings. I found some tabs that people had created on the OnLine Guitar Archive as well as on the Joni site, but is there not a published book anywhere? I also just missed winning an ebay auction of a Joni Mitchell "Blue" songbook tonight. Now I am blue. :-( Hopefully another one will surface soon. Anyone have any idea of how rare her older songbooks are, and where (aside from ebay) I might be able to find another copy of "Blue"? Looking forward to reading the Joni discussions... Angela :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:56:33 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and The France Myth (NJC) Yes, she's baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!! After I don't know how long...I *finally* have some free time to start reading Joni mail again, and had to add my 2 cents here. (I missed you guys!) I think whether Paris is a romantic city or not, depends on who you are with and what you choose to do there, just like any other city in the world. I found Paris to be incredibly romantic last summer after Jonifest. But we chose to hang out on the lawn of the Eiffel Tower with the locals in the evening, sharing a bottle of wine, instead of waiting hours to get inside, go on the Ferris Wheel outside of the Louvre to get a bird's eye view instead on waiting hours to see the Mona Lisa, went into the expensive stores, pretending to be interested in $1,000 Hermes scarves, and giggling like crazy kids as soon as we got out of the store at the absurdity of it, etc. We ate in local small restaurants, went to the lesser known museums, etc. It was romantic, fun, and wonderful! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:02:43 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: new to the list... Hi Angela, and welcome aboard - I'm not a guitarist but the list is loaded with them. From everything I've read over the years, the JMDL guitar database is THE resource for guitarists & other musicians. As for the official songbooks, they are fairly common finds on ebay, so hang in there and don't tip your hand by bidding early. I've not bid on any of them but I haven't seen any that are really rare & expensive. Lots of JMDLer's have them, maybe someone out here has some duplicates and can get your collection started easily. Bob NP: The Streets, "Blinded By The Lights" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:58:44 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: RE: Joni and the France Myth Hi Nuriel (and everyone), I'm not sure if Joni's opinion of France changed any. In "Love Puts on a New Face" she seems to hint that unlike her (the woman who still "really doesn't know love at all"), the French accept the ever-changing nature of love - perhaps even embrace it. That's no so different a sentiment from "In France they kiss on Main Street, amour mama, not cheap display." Again, it's her suggesting that the French understand real love. Whether that's actually true or not, I don't really know. I do know that I saw couples, young to very old, holding hands and indeed stealing a quick but private kiss on the streets of the city. As for the city of Paris, I have to admit to wanting to go there from the time I was in first grade. There was a boy in third grade whose family had just moved from Paris to Boston. I loved to hear him speak, and even though I didn't know what Paris was, I knew I had to go there some day. It wasn't until last year that my sister and I finally set foot in the City of Light. Ooh-la-la! It was everything I dreamed of and more. I love the language and always have, and I speak it well. I think that may be the highest compliment to a Parisian. Everyone treated me so kindly. I have never felt as welcome anywhere in my life. It was like the whole city was welcoming me home. The thing that surprised me most was the light itself. I always thought of the "City of Light" title being solely due to the way the city lights up at night. Although true, the way the sunlight slants and dances was a complete surprise. I understood immediately why the impressionists painted light the way they did. Walking through the Tuilleries was like walking through a Monet painting. And the women completely changed the way I see myself. I was beginning to dress in what I call the American "woman as a rectangle" school of fashion. Everything boxy, not fitted. I saw women older than me in fitted jackets and pants. They weren't trendy, but timelessly stylish. And why not? I'd felt I lost my femininity after my bout with cancer. The women of Paris gave that back to me through their example. Do I love everything French? Not at all. They certainly haven't won my admiration for their politics through the years (although damn if they weren't right to warn us to stay out of Viet Nam and later Iraq!) And a lot of French cheese is just too pungent for me. I could go on and on, but I won't bore everyone any further. (I could do an entire dissertation comparing French and American Engligh language and literature... don't get me started...) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:10:13 -0400 From: billdollinger Subject: Joni on Crooks and Liars site Hey folks, The Web site Crooks and Liars has a regular music feature that features Joni today, with a version of Big Yellow Taxi by Pinhead Gunpowder. This is the second time in about two weeks that Joni has been featured. The first was a clip of Coyote from S&L. See the text below which explains why she has been so prominent here. Bill Dolllingerf http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/05/24.html#a8426 C&L's Late Night Music Club with Pinhead Gunpowder (Howie Klein used to run Reprise Records for many years and is going to be posting every Wednesday night for the Club. He will defeintely add something quite unique to Late Night.) "One of the worst things about working at a record company-- if you're a fan of music-- is that you don't get much time to listen to music, especially not from other labels. Before I went to work for Warner Bros, I had been a dj and rock journalist, so I was really used to listening to music all the time. By the time I wound up running Reprise Records, it was next to impossible for me listen to anything we weren't planning out a marketing campaign for. However, every now and then something would come my way that I would listen to just for sheer enjoyment. Thank God. And one of the songs that has stuck with me and that I still listen to is a version of "Big Yellow Taxi" by Pinhead Gunpowder, an indie punk band from the East Bay and a for-fun-only side project of Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day. "Big Yellow Taxi" was always one of my favorite Joni Mitchell songs. And this version is mind blowing. When I played it for Joni at her house, she was so excited she started dancing-- with abandon! - --Howie Klein Compulsive Disclosure by Pinhead Gunpowder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:47:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Message from Website - Morning Morgantown Hi Andy - Joni never attended WVU, and she never lived in Morgantown, WV. As for the inspiration for the song, I don't think she's ever mentioned it in any of the interviews I've read or heard. I tend to think she chose the word simply because "Morgan" is similar to the German word for "morning". She's never performed there, according to the record. I've always believed the song to be a fantasy morning for her spent with the daughter that she had to give up for adoption. Hope some of that is helpful to you. Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: new to the list... Hi Angela, welcome to this list, which is so much more, really, than your typical elist. Its a community of not always like-minded individuals, drawn together, of course by Joni. There's other glue too, besides Joni - other musical stuff. I, myself, haven't been on here as long as alot of these other folks, and I am consistently delighted by the musicality of the JMDL folks, in general. (and by the intelligence and humor and "heart" of the list) I am not a musician these days, but I see that you *are* - and so you will find yourself in excellent company here. Enjoy! Em Tampa, FL - --- MoVFTYite@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm Angela, a brand new "jimdle". I started listening to Joni's > music about > 5 years ago, and I became an instant addict, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:55:49 -0500 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Paris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nuriel Tobias" > > France, in that song, is more of an ideal, rather > than the glorious city > > of lovers presented in Joni's earlier France-Paris > songs. > > > > I'd love to hear your take... Sitting in a park in Paris France Reading the news and it sure looks bad They won't give peace a chance That was just a dream some of us had Still a lot of lands to see But I wouldn't want to stay here It's too old and cold and settled in its ways here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:36:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni and The France Myth (NJC) We missed you too, Ashara - glad to see you back. Does this mean we can start talking about a Jonifest? I'm like you...when traveling I would much rather go off the beaten path than to do the touristy stuff. I've gotten claustrophobic in my old age. I drove through Paris with John & Claud, enroute to Holland. Hopefully I'll get to go back someday and see some of the sights. Bob NP: The White Stripes, "As Ugly As I Seem" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:31:50 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: new to the list... On Thu, 25 May 2006 03:54:21 EDT MoVFTYite@aol.com wrote: I really want to play her music the way it sounds on the > recordings. Hi, Angela. Welcome. If you want to sound JUST like Joni you'll need to do a lot of tuning, as rarely plays in the standard. As Bob said, check out the web page. Have fun! Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:00:12 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Federal Marriage Amendment Bonjour, Joniami(e)s en Amerique: Here is a message from Harry Reid that might interest you. HELLO????!!!!! There happens to be a war going on, with no end in sight, and they have to bring up this crap? Love, Patti P. NPIMH: "...I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down...." Dear Patricia, Each week, Senator Frist and the Republican Leadership make choices about the Senate agenda. They could focus our work on record high gas prices, the war in Iraq, or skyrocketing health care costs. But there's an ugly truth: it's election season and down-in-the-polls Republicans are turning to their same old playbook - fear and division. During the week of June 5th, Bill Frist, in an attempt to appease extreme right wing elements of the Republican Party, has promised that the Senate will vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment and attempt to write discrimination into the Constitution for the first time in 230 years. Join me in telling Senator Frist, "The Senate should be working on real issues - not writing discrimination into the Constitution" by visiting: http://giveemhellharry.com/realissues This divisive and unnecessary amendment that would undermine the Constitution has overwhelmingly failed each time the Senate has voted on it. We don't need another Terri Schiavo moment where we spend valuable time away from the important work that needs to be done. Now, more than ever, it's time to focus on security, solutions for the high cost of healthcare and gas prices. We need a President and a Congress that doesn't play divisive politics. At a time of war, Republicans should unite the country, not divide and undermine its founding principles. http://giveemhellharry.com/realissues Thank you, Harry Reid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:04 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Don Alias interview Excerpt: "AAJ: What about when you moved on and started working with Joni Mitchell? DA: Oh yeah, and then there was the time that I took Joni by Miles' house. Oh! [laughs] That's another story. With Joni, I'm in California. Miles at this time had gone to live in this villa with Juliette Greco; famous French actress. So anyway, I've got two kids and I can't afford to do this shit, so I went and I got a call from Lou Rawls. And Lou Rawls was big time in that field, Las Vegas, MGM Grand, that circuit. And I got to make some money. AAJ: Was Jaco in that band? DA: Oh no. I got Jaco in that band. All this happened at the same time I was getting a divorce, so I moved out to California. Joni and I had a beautiful four year relationship together." Maybe this has been discussed before but to my knowledge, that's the first indication of a face to face between Miles Davis and Joni that I've read. Joni had wanted to include Miles on the "Mingus" set but couldn't work it out (or Miles declined...?) Does anyone have knowledge of how the Joni and Miles' meeting went down? The four year relationship Don refers to doesn't surprise me. I'm sure Joni was writing from personal experience in "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat." "Don and me, we look up and there's a sign up on the awning. It says, 'Pork Pie Hat Bar'. And there were two little musicians dancing there tonight." CC "Emmy Mae ran away with a man as dark as night. You can see him if you go there. Second trumpet to the right."--JM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:23:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: new to the list... There are some published books that have *some* of the alt tunings but many of them do not. "For the roses" has some and is the one that finally clued me in to the fact that the reason Joni's guitar work sounds so different is that there is such a thing as alt tunings. Up until that point, I had no idea. I believe "Court and spark" has maybe one song in alt and that was a bit disappointing after "Roses".) And the later-published ones have more, including "Hits" and "Misses", "Taming the tiger", and you know there may be more. The earlier ones are disappointing, and most disappointing of the lot is "Hejira", which I bought anyway, but it has NO alternate tunings on it and "Hejira" is the ultimate alt tuning album. You can get away with playing a lot of Joni stuff in standard tuning and it still sounds OK, but not like Joni. But "Hejira" demands to be played in alt tuning and nothing but. Of course, that's just my opinion. I've got many of the newer books as well, but find them hard to work with, since I don't read tab very well. I learned music by reading chord charts and notation and trying to learn tab at my advanced age is something I probably could do, but am just not terribly interested in doing, when there are so many other things. I find the stuff on the website easier to read and understand, and, if you sort by tuning family, you can do a bunch in the same tuning without having to go through contortions to change tuning all the time and break a bunch of strings. You can often find Joni books on E-Bay but, like Muller (or whoever it was!) said, don't bid too early. Wait until the last minute so you don't end up paying more than you need to for something that might not be quite as "rare" as the seller would have you believe. Some books seem to be in plentiful enough supply that you can "Buy now!" for a reasonable enough price without bidding. I got a Hejira and Hissing that way - and yet, it's the website I go to for the good stuff. The books are more "just because" items that appealed to my acquisitive side and cuz I like the pictures. There's also another mail-list/group for guitarists/musicians and I'm a member of it but I'll be darned if I remember how you go about getting on it. I can't find it on the newly designed website, so maybe it has disappeared, temporarily or otherwise. There's not a lot of action on it, because I guess it relies on people who know what they're doing to pipe up and say something, or for people who have questions, to pipe up and ask. I wouldn't count myself among those who know what they're doing, hence I remain quiet on that list. Anything I know how to do on guitar, I could never explain to other people so unfortunately I'm not a lot of use that way, although some people find me mildly amusing and that's good enough for me. Maybe another person who has read this far will know what the hell I'm talking about and can shed some light - the website was kind of a sub-website and was called "The wanderer" or some such. I'm sure that was all very helpful... In any case, welcome to the list and I betcha if you have a guitar-specific question, someone (but most likely not I!) will be able to answer it. - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2006 03:54:21 EDT > MoVFTYite@aol.com wrote: > I really want to play her music the way it sounds on > the > > recordings. > > Hi, Angela. Welcome. If you want to sound JUST > like Joni > you'll need to do a lot of tuning, as rarely plays > in the > standard. As Bob said, check out the web page. > Have fun! > > Michael Flaherty > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:50:13 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: back to Joni work, porous with travel fever Patti wrote: but I ended up with a subset of people > that set up true trembling in my bones. I've heard people like this > existed, but I've never been in their homes before, and I am still shocked > and saddened by some of the mindsets I encountered. - --Do tell Patti. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:44:27 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Don Alias interview On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:04 +0000 "c Karma" wrote: > Maybe this has been discussed before but to my >knowledge, that's the first indication of a face to face >between Miles Davis and Joni that I've read. They met at Isle of Wight (29 August 1970). In fact, on the dvd of Miles's performance ("a different kind of blue") you can see (but not hear) Miles and Joni exchange a few quick words. This is either right before or right after Miles went on stage. There are also a few brief interview clips of Joni. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:22:40 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Joni ringtones (VLJC) Or the arbutus trees rustling? Or the bumpin' of the logs? Jim Laura> Joni might like the sound of applause for a ring tone? Or the wind maybe? Smurf wrote>>For what it's worth, I have long suspected that one 'ringtone' Joni loves is the sound the cash register makes.>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Paris Mark Tatum wrote: Sitting in a park in Paris France... But I wouldn't want to stay here It's too old and cold and settled in its ways here Good point, Mark - not at all that cool Paris from In France They Kiss and Free Man. I think that by the time C and S came out Joni was "glamouros" enough to enjoy a glamouros city like Paris, and that in the Blue days she was still closer to the folk image. Another Paris song is Yvette in English. The black water of the river where the man is left alone - that's the spookier side of both romance and Paris. Nuri - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:30:33 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest? (NJC) Bob asked: <> Good question, Bob, and one I've been wrestling with. Here's my dilemma: The last time there was talk about Jonifest at Full Moon, there was much dissension about going back there. Many people said they were not interested in going back to Full Moon because they wanted to go elsewhere. I'm game for doing another Jonifest at Full Moon sometime next Spring (probably April) if there are enough people *truly* interested in attending. So....I will throw this out to the community: If you are seriously interested, and there is a good chance of you attending a Jonifest at Full Moon sometime next April, please e-mail me privately and let me know. If there is enough interest, I'll start the proceedings. I've been told there are many new people here, so if you have no idea what we are talking about, go to: _www.jonimitchell.com_ (http://www.jonimitchell.com) and click on "community" and then click on "Jonifest". The last 3 years have been held at Full Moon in Oliverea, NY and you can see pictures and testimonials about Jonifest there as well as previous years in other places. It would be great to meet all of you new people as well as connect with the old! Hugs, Ashara P.S. If you are in touch with someone that might be interested in this, but know that they are either not reading the list at this time, or on Joni-only, please forward this message to them. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:37:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) Typewriters. The band sounds like typewriters. What the hell is a typewriter? - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > Or the arbutus trees rustling? Or the bumpin' of > the logs? > > Jim > > > Laura> Joni might like the sound of applause for a > ring tone? Or the wind > maybe? > > Smurf wrote>>For what it's worth, I have long > suspected that one 'ringtone' > Joni loves is the sound the cash register makes.>> > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:54:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) Aww, crap. I wasn't going to do this, but that part of my brain is taking over. Here's some more (and PS, I hate ringtones! They ALL sound cheesy.) - --------------------------------------- The stab and glare and buckshot of the heavy, heavy snow. The hissing of summer lawns. "Night train," so snaky. The summer serenade of taxi horns and fun arcades. The music midnight makes. Charlie's bass and Lester's saxophone In taxi horns and brakes A sigh, a foggy lullabye tiny hammers hurled At beveled mirrors in empty halls The ukulele man The fireworks All this ranting, all this wind Filling our ears with trash. A bed of sighs and screams. The beat of black wings. The cwazy cwies of love. - ------------------------------------ That Joni Mitchell sure can write, eh? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:00:42 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: new to the list... Hi Angela, welcome to the group. I'm curious (if you don't mind sharing with us) what your favourite Joni album is and also your favourite song? I don't know how experienced a musician you are but when Joni was a girl she had polio. In later years this limited her mobility with a guitar and in order to play the sounds she wanted she experimented with alternative guitar tunings. When I saw her live much of the audience became restless when she fiddled with those tunings on stage, unaware of the reasoning behind that necessity. These alternative tunings not only made it easier for her to play guitar but also made the sounds she created very unique. One of the tunings I know she has used is Open D - "People's Parties" comes readily to mind and I'm sure there are others In case you're not familiar with alternative tunings there is a good page regarding Open D tuning at: http://www.strummeronline.com/dtuning.html The excellent guitar players in the group will probably be able to give you more guidance regarding alternative tunings should you need help. Warmly, Cassy NP: Damnation's Cellar - Elvis Costello with The Brodsky Quartet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:36:07 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Don Alias interview - ----- Original Message ----- From: "c Karma" > Maybe this has been discussed before but to my knowledge, that's the first > indication of a face to face between Miles Davis and Joni that I've read. Isn't he saying Miles was in France, he just showed her his house? It's a little unclear, but that's what I got from it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:43:15 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) >>>>Smurf wrote >>>>For what it's worth, I have long suspected that one 'ringtone' Joni >>>>loves is the sound the cash register makes.>> ah - but only one "ringtone" got a song all of its own - the cigarette machine......... ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:23:12 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: new to the list... Hi Angela, and welcome to the list- Regarding Joni's songs in their proper tunings, as Catherine said, "For The Roses" was put together by long-time Joni friend Joel Bernstein, and has the correct tunings for the guitar songs (the piano transcriptions are pretty good, too). It may cost you $30 or so on ebay. Don't bother with Blue-it's translated to standard tuning. The anthology song books are pretty much useless, too, although one of them might have the FTR songs mixed in, I'm not sure. The others Catherine mentioned, Hits, Misses, TTT have tunings in them. Your best source is the jonimitchell.com website, a number of intrepid members have "reverse- engineered" her songs-a great help to us all. There are 160 songs in 89 tunings ! http://www.jonimitchell.com/guitar/ RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:47:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni ringtones (VLJC) Ahhhh - Empty, Try Another. Despised my many, but loved by me! Jerry >>>>> Smurf wrote >>>>> For what it's worth, I have long suspected that one 'ringtone' Joni >>>>> loves is the sound the cash register makes.>> > > > ah - but only one "ringtone" got a song all of its own - the cigarette > machine......... > > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:39:06 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni and the France Myth - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Sandstrom" > Do I love everything French? Not at all. They certainly haven't won my > admiration for their politics through the years (although damn if they > weren't right to warn us to stay out of Viet Nam and later Iraq!) And a > lot of French cheese is just too pungent for me. If I remember my history correctly, France was involved in Vietnam before the US was. I think we took over the franchise. ...never been to Paris, but I like the stinky cheese...and the language, which I don't understand...and Jane Birkin... RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:35:11 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Don Alias interview You mean Joni and Don were just checking out the real estate? Just like regular folks? Now I don't feel so guilty for cruising slowly thru Bel Air. CC >From: "Randy Remote" >To: "c Karma" , >Subject: Re: Don Alias interview >Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:36:07 -0700 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "c Karma" >>Maybe this has been discussed before but to my knowledge, that's the first >>indication of a face to face between Miles Davis and Joni that I've read. > >Isn't he saying Miles was in France, he just showed her his house? >It's a little unclear, but that's what I got from it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:49:23 EDT From: MoVFTYite@aol.com Subject: Re: new to the list... Hi Cassy, Michael, Catherine, Bob, and everyone else on the list! Wow, what a friendly welcome. Thank you so much for what you all have written. In reading your emails, I realized I wasn't too specific in describing my guitar knowledge when I wrote (having been part of other discussion groups, I wasn't sure how tolerant people would be of a longer email, so I was brief to start)... people have asked if I'm familiar with alternate tunings. I'm not only familiar with them; I am drawn to them, and I truly do appreciate what it takes to play in alternate tunings. Some of my other favorite musicians in addition to Joni are: The Indigo Girls, CSNY, David Wilcox, Willy Porter, Justin Roth -- all of whom use alternate tunings. The more, the better! It's like re-inventing the guitar every time. I've been playing the guitar for about 15 years. I'm self-taught, and I have a job leading/teaching/singing music and accompanying myself on the guitar. The music I lead and teach in my job is all standard and fairly basic. When I'm not working, I much prefer to play the non-standard and non-basic. Though I don't practice nearly enough to have a solid repertoire of songs mastered for an instant open mic session (I wish!), when I do make myself practice, songs by the above mentioned artists are what I work on. I gravitate towards the intricate and complicated, both by ear and by desire to play. I suppose I'm sort of a glutton for punishment! But I'm so thankful to have an appreciation for this incredible music... and the lyrics -- well, there's yet another complicated universe! But the music is what I hear first. I've watched the video "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind" a few times and been moved by it each time. Last year I took a dulcimer class briefly because I was inspired by the dulcimer sound in some of Joni's songs on the Blue album (the class ended and I have intended to sign up for private lessons since then but still haven't!)... Blue is the album I got to know first. Since last year, Ladies of the Canyon has been the other one I've really listened to a lot. I could (and have) put LOTC or Blue in my CD player and listen to the music over and over again. I have Hejira and For the Roses and Miles of Aisles too -- haven't listened to them as much...yet! So I suppose that the answer to Cassy's question about my favorite album/song is a tough one to answer -- LOTC and Blue are the favorite albums (so far). Songs -- All I Want, A Case of You, Woodstock, Ladies of the Canyon, The Priest... oh, do I have to narrow it down? I also love the song Urge for Going. Well, I hope to keep learning more about Joni and her music through this list... and if there are any guitar players out here in Denver, CO (or nearby) who like to play Joni's music (and other great music too!), it would be fun to collaborate sometime! Angela :-) :::====(=o| ) <---- simple characature of my guitar. In a message dated 5/25/2006 11:01:07 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Siquomb@Comcast.net writes: Hi Angela, welcome to the group. I'm curious (if you don't mind sharing with us) what your favourite Joni album is and also your favourite song? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Bob Dylan on Coverville I'm not sure when we'll get our Joni Mitchell cover story, but in the meantime the latest Coverville podcast features an all-Dylan show in honor of his B-day, and it starts off with HIS cover of BYT... http://www.coverville.com/ Bob NP: Cream, "Crossraods" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:59:36 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: NJC Bob Dylan on Coverville I believe a Joni tune will show up soon on Dylan's XM Radio show Theme Time... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:31:30 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Interesting stuff to not worry about, njc * "Stewardesses" is the longest word typed with only the left hand and "lollipop" with your right. (Bet you tried this out mentally, didn't you?!!) * It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. * Maine is the only State whose name is just one syllable. (I'll bet you're going to check this out.) * No word in the English language rhymes with month, orange, silver, or purple. * "Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the letters "mt". (Are you doubting this?) * Our eyes are always the same size from birth, but our nose and ears never stop growing. * The sentence: "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" uses every letter of the alphabet. (Now, you KNOW you're going to try this out for accuracy, right?) * The words 'racecar,' 'kayak' and 'level' are the same whether they are read left to right or right to left (palindromes). (Yep, I knew you were going to "do" this one.) * There are only four words in the English language which end in "dous": tremendous, horrendous, stupendous, and hazardous (You're not doubting this, are you?) * There are two words in the English language that have all five vowels in order: "abstemious" and "facetious." (Yes, admit it, you are going to say ...... a e i o u) * TYPEWRITER is the longest word that can be made using the letters only on one row of the keyboard. (All you typists are going to test this out) * All 50 States are listed across the top of the Lincoln Memorial on the back of the $5 bill. (Honest!) * A dime has 118 ridges around the edge. (I wonder why?) *A cat has 32 muscles in each ear. (Check it out!) * A crocodile cannot stick out its tongue. (but who really cares?) * A dragonfly has a life span of 24 hours. * A goldfish has a memory span of three seconds. (Some days that's about what my memory span is) * A "jiffy" is an actual unit of time for 1/100th of a second. * A shark is the only fish that can blink with both eyes. * A snail can sleep for three years. (I know some people that could do this too!!) * Al Capone's business card said he was a "Used furniture dealer". (A gangster by any other name!) * Almonds are members of the peach family. * An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain. * Babies are born without kneecaps. They don't appear until the child reaches 2 to 6 years of age. * Butterflies taste with their feet. * Cats have over one hundred vocal sounds. Dogs only have about 10. * February, 1865, is the only month in recorded history not to have a full moon. * In the last 4,000 years, no new animals have been domesticated. * If the population of China walked past you, in single file, the line would never end because of the rate of reproduction. * If you are an average motorist, in your whole life, you will spend an average of 6 months waiting at stop lights. * Leonardo Da Vinci invented the scissors. * On a Canadian two dollar bill, the flag flying over the Parliament building is an American flag. (Somebody mistook Old Glory for a Maple Leaf!) * Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite! * Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated. ( So does milk!) * The average person's left hand does 56% of the typing. * The cruise liner, Queen Elizabeth II, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel that it burns. * The microwave was discovered after a researcher walked by a radar tube and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket. (Good thing he did that!) * The winter of 1932 was so cold that Niagara Falls froze completely solid. * There are 293 ways to make change for a dollar. * There are more chickens than people in the world. (I know a lot of people who are "chicken"!) * Tigers have striped skin, not just striped fur. * Winston Churchill was born in the "ladies' room" during a dance. (His mother Jenny, an American, had just finished dancing the "Jive" when it happened!) * Women blink nearly twice as much as men. *Your stomach has to produce a new layer of mucus every two weeks; otherwise it will digest itself. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #203 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------