From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #198 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 21 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 198 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Downloading Remix Project ["William Waddell" ] I beLIEVE in Father Christmas, I beLIEVE in the virgin birth..(njc) [Vict] Re: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Coyote [Bobsart48@aol.com] 35mm cameras on ebay are going cheap, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Da Vinci Code NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Da Vinci Code NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Da Vinci Code NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Da Vinci Code NJC ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Da Vinci Code NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Coyote ["Kate Bennett" ] article: 'Da Vinci Code': Truth behind the fiction NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Da Vinci Code NJC ["ron" ] Re: Coyote [Smurf ] RE: Coyote ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #143 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Da Vinci Code NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Coyote NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Coyote NJC ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:55:18 +0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Downloading Remix Project >>>It seems some people are having trouble following the link to download the remix compilation. Yes, I did too at first. I started the download and came back some time later (61MB is a heck of a file transfer) only to find the file was "corrupted". Not sure what to make of it or if to try again as my computer was doing some odd things afterwards, most worryingly virus protection disabled. I'm sure the file is fine and maybe just a blip at my end but be careful. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:04:36 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Downloading Remix Project Hi William. Sorry you're having difficulty with this file. It is rather large but that's why I split it into two parts. It was so big before, I couldn't even upload it. I'm no computer expert but there may be issues going from Mac to Windows computers. Many people have downloaded without any problem so far. I often have trouble with downloads when I have limited hard drive space left. The computer does a lot of unseen tasks that need more space. The files themselves shouldn't be corrupt. They're not on my computer. So, I suggest trying again. Mark. On 20/05/2006, at 7:55 PM, William Waddell wrote: >>>> It seems some people are having trouble following the link to > download the remix compilation. > Yes, I did too at first. I started the download and came back some > time later (61MB is a heck of a file transfer) only to find the file > was "corrupted". > Not sure what to make of it or if to try again as my computer was > doing some odd things afterwards, most worryingly virus protection > disabled. I'm sure the file is fine and maybe just a blip at my end > but be careful. > WtS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free > newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 07:05:48 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: I beLIEVE in Father Christmas, I beLIEVE in the virgin birth..(njc) As far as the DaVinci Code goes, I read the book last week, thoroughly enjoyed it, and am looking forward to seeing the movie for a couple of reasons, 1, because Audrey Tatou is in it and she rocks my world, and 2, so I can do my part to piss off the religious right! On another note, I had the pleasure of seeing Lieve last night at her friend Tom's house in Atlanta for an hour or two and had a most delightful time! I had a delicious piece of steak while catching up which was a welcome thing after watching so many people leave Whole Foods with steak wrapped in brown paper, thinking how nice it would be to be anywhere but at work. I had brought my guitar along and did a little impromptu performance which was fun as well as I need to brush up on my playing, having been so diverted with tedious school work. For those of you who are scoring at home, there were a couple of doubles, a grand slam, and certainly a few errors...lol Sailing September Bride Sailing to New Orleans Amelia (J.Mitchell) Boomerang Love I love that song Amelia more and more and it always sends me into some sort of trance/journey whenever I play it...the closest thing to magic I have experienced I think. Uhoh....I said magic...must mean I'm a pagan and a devil worshipper. We better ban this message along with those dreadful Harry Potter books before everyone becomes a bunch of heathens. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:31:43 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC Mike wrote: I hated the film and will probably never go to see it. Huh? You mean go to see it again? I'm looking forward to seeing it. Probably will rent it when it comes out on DVD though rather than paying so much to see it on the big screen. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:39:06 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Coyote David Lahm wrote: "Isn't "2 days on his tail" from DJRD? Am I missing something? Or am I losing my mid-term memory?" LAHM Aha ! Well, the hypothesis is that both Coyote and DJRD feature Sam Shepard (born 11/5/43 vs Joni's 11/7/43). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:40:25 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: 35mm cameras on ebay are going cheap, njc On Ebay, I was looking for an autofocus standard lens (50mm) worth $65, in used condition, for a Minolta 35mm film camera. The seller "thought" the camera was sometimes advancing 2 frames at a time, and said so in the auction. It also included an original instruction manual for the camera. Bidders stayed away because the camera looked like damaged goods and only the very high-end gear is worth fixing these days. So I got it all for $35. I cleaned up the camera with Q=Tips and ligher fluid (old camera repairman's trick) and it works perfectly. I got back pictures yesterday: perfect exposures in all modes, including LOW LIGHT (oh boy!). I figure I got the lens at a steep discount, and a working body with manual for free. I swtiched to Minolta because their digital bodies can help me reduce camera shake. I never could hand hold long exposures without getting some blur in there. Look at my PazFest pictures. Secondly, I can't focus with bifocals to save my life. I need autofocus cameras. This year I'm collecting lenses and a flash. Next year, I'll get a Konica-Minolta digital SLR. Yes, I know all Konica-Minolta camera gear is discontinued. Sony bought it and they are releasing new stuff this summer using the same mount. In several press releases, Sony has said that investments in the Konica-Minolta system will be usable in the unreleased Sony models. Note to John van Tiel: I wonder if Schneider will be making lenses in the Sony-Konica-Minolta "Alpha" mount. The deals are out there. Thanks for looking, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:48:23 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC Hi Laura, No, I have not seen yet (it opened yesterday here) and I will probably never see it, at least in a cinema. I was just expressing an opinion 'before the fact', it's an attitude very common in my experience that people criticise things before they see, hear, or try them, and feel free to criticise vicariously. "It's a crappy movie" '"you've seen it?" "No, but I heard it was poor" - ever heard this kind of dialogue? I have, many times, and I was just throwing my opinion into the ring, without any justification for it. I read the book and thought it was very poor, and for that reason I am not interested in putting more money into Mr Brown's pocket. There are too many better movies to see and better books to read and so little time to do these things, so I guess I could use my mortality as another excuse. There is a witty parody called 'The Da Vinci Cod' and it is a fishy tail/tale, to say the least. Not at all worried about insulting Opus Dei, this country is full of their supporters and the founder was from Spain, just concerned at the general dumbing down of the general public, worldwide.Not a movie snob either, I love the Marx Bros films and think they are a million times better than the biggest ever box-office comendy in Spain, 'There's something about Mary'. Please.... ----- Original Message ----- From: LCStanley7@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Cc: ink08@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC Mike wrote: I hated the film and will probably never go to see it. Huh? You mean go to see it again? I'm looking forward to seeing it. Probably will rent it when it comes out on DVD though rather than paying so much to see it on the big screen. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:33:25 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC In a message dated 5/20/2006 8:48:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: "It's a crappy movie" '"you've seen it?" "No, but I heard it was poor" - ever heard this kind of dialogue? I have, many times, and I was just throwing my opinion into the ring, without any justification for it. Hi Mike. You are very entertaining here. I love what you say. Yes, I've heard this before, and it isn't limited to retrospection but also happens prospectively. I read the book and thought it was very poor, and for that reason I am not interested in putting more money into Mr Brown's pocket. I haven't read the book and am not familiar with Mr. Brown except in Dr. Seuss' book Hop On Pop. I highly recommend this book if you've never read it. Wink. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:37:53 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC At the moment I've got a lot on my plate without getting into Dr Seuss - ever tried to read Zizek trying to 'explain' Deleuze? (Organs without Bodies - On Deleuze and Consequences), wish me luck. M ----- Original Message ----- From: LCStanley7@aol.com To: ink08@hotmail.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC In a message dated 5/20/2006 8:48:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: "It's a crappy movie" '"you've seen it?" "No, but I heard it was poor" - ever heard this kind of dialogue? I have, many times, and I was just throwing my opinion into the ring, without any justification for it. Hi Mike. You are very entertaining here. I love what you say. Yes, I've heard this before, and it isn't limited to retrospection but also happens prospectively. I read the book and thought it was very poor, and for that reason I am not interested in putting more money into Mr Brown's pocket. I haven't read the book and am not familiar with Mr. Brown except in Dr. Seuss' book Hop On Pop. I highly recommend this book if you've never read it. Wink. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:24:50 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC In a message dated 5/20/2006 9:37:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: ever tried to read Zizek trying to 'explain' Deleuze? (Organs without Bodies - - On Deleuze and Consequences), wish me luck. Hi Mike, I've only read a little of it. Reminds me of some of the neuroscience it is my job to convey to so many receptors in so many different brains... and also the arguments over "mind" and "brain." Rather than saying good luck, let me say I wish you favorable variables and/or variable favorites as you pursue your endeavors. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:37:25 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC Well, I'd heard another theory that the descendants of the Holy Prophet Jesus (ahem...;-)) are alive and well and living in Paris and working for a famous fashion house. But only according to the Givenchy Code... - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:54:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Da Vinci Code NJC We saw it last night... nice visuals... I thought the book was a better movie (in my mind) than the movie if you know what I mean... but still enjoyable (I didn't have high expectations knowing how hard it is to make a book into a movie) >Anybody else planning on going to see the flick this weekend? I'm planning on catching a Sunday matinee - seems appropriate to see it on a Sunday after all...< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:07:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Coyote >I had heard Coyote was about SS....that pretty much clinches it in my mind-I think he had a ranch out in the desert somewhere, too....(I guess you never know, since songs can be combinations of things, too...)....the part about being up early with the horses....not usually a musician's schedule, unless Guerin was a very different drummer. RR< Me too! Additionally, early am is an actor's schedule too... I don't think joni would ever be as literal as to name coyote after a man named coyote or blue after a man named blue... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:21:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: article: 'Da Vinci Code': Truth behind the fiction NJC (Here is an article posted in yesterday's local paper regarding the book .which btw I loved as a can't put down, page turner thriller but not because it was all that well written): 'Da Vinci Code': Truth behind the fiction MELISSA EVANS, NEWS-PRESS STAFF WRITER May 19, 2006 7:15 AM Sharan Newman didn't think much about "The Da Vinci Code" when she received an advance copy of the blockbuster novel three and a half years ago. "I sort of put it on a pile and forgot about it," said Ms. Newman, a medieval scholar who completed her doctoral work at UCSB. These days, it's hard to pick up a newspaper or magazine or walk through a bookstore without being smacked in the face by Dan Brown's fictional thriller about the origins of Christianity. The movie, starring Tom Hanks, is expected to draw millions when it opens today. Ms. Newman said she was surprised by the book's popularity -- Mr. Brown's theories are nothing new. The book challenges the divinity of Jesus and suggests that Christianity's most important figure was married to Mary Magdalene and that his bloodline continues today. The author delves into the medieval history of the Templars, an international military order formed during the Crusades; makes sinister claims about the secretive Catholic organization Opus Dei; and draws much of his material from the Gnostic Gospels, early texts that most Christian scholars have refuted. Still, readers seemed to think they had discovered some inside knowledge about Christianity, Ms. Newman said. "People were coming up to me, telling me things about medieval history," she said. "After a while, I finally realized where they were getting this strange information." She dusted off her copy of "The Da Vinci Code" -- which she describes as a good beach novel -- and decided to put the rumors to rest. Her encyclopedialike book, "The Real History Behind the Da Vinci Code," was one of the first to explain Mr. Brown's theories from a historical perspective. Published by Berkeley Trade Publishing, it came out a year after Mr. Brown's novel was released in 2003 and is available in most major bookstores. She took the people, places and organizations cited in Mr. Brown's book -- from the Priory of Sion, a romanticized religious order rumored to have been formed in the 1950s, to the Louvre, where the novel begins -- and laid out the secular, historical truth (according to most historians). She even included maps of France and drawings of the architecture Mr. Brown describes. She agrees with most scholars that there is little evidence that Jesus married, or that Opus Dei had a murderous role in protecting ancient secrets that repressed women. Ms. Newman, who now lives in Oregon, intended the book as a user-friendly guide that readers could refer to as they encounter names and historical claims in Mr. Brown's book. Since then, dozens of books penned by everyone from religious scholars to art history scholars have been written, most of which are aimed at debunking Mr. Brown's version of history. His book has nonetheless sold an estimated 40 million copies and has been translated into 44 languages. Pollsters estimate 30 million people will buy tickets to see the movie and millions more will see it on DVD or video. Despite the criticism from religious leaders (Vatican officials asked Catholics to boycott the movie), about a quarter of Catholics have read the novel, along with about 15 percent of Protestants, according a poll released this week by the Ventura-based Barna Group, a Christian research organization. And interestingly, 5 percent of readers -- or 2 million people -- said they had changed their religious beliefs because of the book's content, the Barna Group found in its telephone survey of 1,000 households. Several Christian organizations and churches have capitalized on the popularity of the movie and book by hosting forums, discussions and workshops about early church history. A lecture last week by Westmont College historian Bruce Fisk drew a standing-room-only audience at the University Club downtown. UCSB is planning a similar panel discussion in June. Ms. Newman, who has written 14 novels and historical books, said she has received calls from reporters as far away as Russia, China and Spain seeking comment. Mr. Brown "put together a good, fast-paced thriller that got people thinking," she said. "Everybody is talking about it." Even though she's passionate about history, she doesn't think one has to be "intensely dull" about the subject, either. "I can't wait to see the movie," she said. "I think it'll be great." e-mail: mevans@newspress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:29:45 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" > We saw it last night... nice visuals... I thought the book was a better > movie (in my mind) than the movie if you know what I mean... but still > enjoyable (I didn't have high expectations knowing how hard it is to make > a > book into a movie) That's kinda what I was thinking-I loved the book-couldn't put it down, so that might kind of spoil me for the movie. I finally saw "Brokeback Mountain"; it's now on PPV...I was mildly interested in seeing it, but it really grabbed me. I'm one who thinks there should be a law (or at least a stringent application process) against making movies longer than two hours, but didn't feel that way about this one. Great movie. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:00:48 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC hi >>>randy wrote >>>> That's kinda what I was thinking-I loved the book-couldn't put it down, >>>> so that might kind of spoil me for the movie. I finally saw "Brokeback Mountain"; it's now on PPV...I was mildly interested in seeing it, but it really grabbed me. I'm one who thinks there should be a law (or at least a stringent application process) against making movies longer than two hours, but didn't feel that way about this one. Great movie. with my attention span these days - the most i can stand is the 30 second bunny version of movies http://www.angryalien.com/ theyve got brokeback mountain there - looks like a good movie :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Coyote - --- Kate wrote: > I don't think > joni would ever be as literal as to name coyote > after a man named coyote or > blue after a man named blue... Or WIlly after Willy, for that matter. - --Smurf . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:17:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Coyote Exactly right! It works imo because it was his nickname that wasn't known to the public (until she wrote the song I guess)... > I don't think > joni would ever be as literal as to name coyote > after a man named coyote or > blue after a man named blue... Or WIlly after Willy, for that matter. - --Smurf . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:32:58 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #143 In a message dated 05/18/2006 3:01:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: ultimate trivia question We had a pretty in-depth discussion about that topic way back when - I think it was Julius who put forth the conjecture that Sam Shepard was the guy, with some good evidence to back him up. If I'm not remembering that correctly, some veteran can chime in and offer up other info. Bob Has Tom Scott ever been mentioned in the mix? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:41:32 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code NJC In a message dated 5/20/2006 12:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, jamiezubairi@gmail.com writes: Well, I'd heard another theory that the descendants of the Holy Prophet Jesus (ahem...;-)) are alive and well and living in Paris and working for a famous fashion house. But only according to the Givenchy Code... I think that was the Holy Prophet Sleezus... and the famous house is in New Orleans, not Paris. Anyway, this doesn't come out until the six hundred and sixty sixth sequel when Darth Sleezus tells Abraham Luke, "I am your father." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:47:55 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Coyote NJC Out of lurkdom for a bit, but I did read some of the Coyote posts regarding Joni and Sam Shepard. I'm only posting today, because I'm cleaning out my closet and came across all the crap that I've saved for several years. Along with many Hit Parade Magazines from the 60's, National Lampoons, Hustlers, Playboy mags from the 70's, I have the Sept. 1980 Playgirl magazine which names Sam Shepard as one of the 10 sexiest men along with Gary Hart, Tom Brokaw, Willie Nelson, and Bob Seger. YUCK! At least Sam's pic looks good. Wish I had the time to get rid of this stuff on Ebay! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:29:48 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Coyote NJC I tried to watch this documentary movie the other night about Sam Shepard directing a semi-autobiographical play in SF with Sean Penn and Nick Nolte, but it was boring and I eventually gave up. Tom Brokaw? Really? - ----- Original Message ----- From: the Sept. 1980 Playgirl magazine which > names Sam Shepard as one of the 10 sexiest men along with Gary Hart, Tom > Brokaw, Willie Nelson, and Bob Seger. YUCK! At least Sam's pic looks > good. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #198 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------