From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #194 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 18 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 194 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Priest lyrics query ["Hell" ] RE: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc ["Hell" ] Re: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc [Catherine McKay ] NJC Re: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.c] NJC Re: Santa Barbara , beach , lyrics and Coyote [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Priest lyrics query ["Cassy" ] Re: catholic school, njc ["Cassy" ] RE: NJC Re: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc ["Hell" ] sherelle njc ["mack watson-bush" ] njc, Happy Birthday, Smurf! ["Patti Parlette" ] Humour - The solution to high gas prices - NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: Magnificant Desolation: Walking on the Moon, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:42:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc Sounds cool to me - just don't let Les know, he'll have a "Joni Ringtone" section on JM.com before you know it. Bob NP: Talking Heads, "Totally Nude" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:15:49 +1200 From: "Hell" Subject: RE: Priest lyrics query JR wrote: > "Oh now the trials and trumpets scored > Or will we pass this test > For just as one loves more and more > Will one love less and less." > > I can't for the life of me figure out what is meant by that first > line. The lyrics on www.jonimitchell.com read slightly differently: Now the trials are trumpet scored Oh will we pass the test Or just as one loves more and more Will one love less and less Which has a different meaning (to me, at least) from the words you quoted. I would interpret that as meaning that the "trials" of relationships are "scored" (metaphorically) with trumpet-sounds, ie. she's scoring various aspects or her life (or whoever she's singing about), and these trials are highlighted with trumpet sounds, as opposed to something softer like strings, or piano. The following lines refer to the relationship, ie. as one partner develops deeper feelings, will the other lose feeling? Just my $0.02 worth.... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:20:41 +1200 From: "Hell" Subject: RE: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc Bob wrote: > I was at a funeral last year, and right when the family was entering the > chapel, this lady's phone rings (and of course it was an obnoxious ring > tone - "Play that funky music white boy" or something") Try sharing a building with a cellphone provider company (in my case, Vodafone - one of the biggest) and imagine a large cafeteria at lunchtime when every 4 out of 5 people has a cellphone with an individual ringtone set at the highest volume possible. Now THAT'S obnoxious! And while I definitely don't condone the use of cellphones at concerts, funerals or anywhere else where the noise could or does disturb others, my phone plays "Big Yellow Taxi" at a discreet volume. Isn't that OK?! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Darice Subject: Santa Barbara , beach , lyrics and Coyote And what is wrong with a Bobby Vee song??????? What else would you listen to on the beach???? I had always hoped that Coyote was Peter Coyote, quite the ladies man in the 60's and 70's. Darice emerging from lurkdom to champion Bobby Vee (and other 60's heart- throbs) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > like they don't notice that there's a zillion other > people on the train, standing, that might like a > seat, > including a little old lady with a cane, a pregnant > woman carrying bags of groceries, a guy with a > broken > leg and crutches.> > > But if you offer your seat to the lady, you're being > sexist ("What do you > think, Mister, I'm the weaker sex or something?"), > if you offer it to the > old lady, you're being both sexist and age-ist ("Are > you saying I look too > old to stand up?"), she gets pissed off and offended > and whups you with > her cane. And if you offer it to the guy with the > crutches, his machismo > is offended and he whups you with his crutch...so > it's like 'pick your > beating'. It's a no-win situation. > > I guess that's why I just drive a car. > > Bob Hey, I'm not askin' the guy to give up his seat. I'm just asking him to move his fat ass over and his gym bag on the floor so two other people can sit down. Let the other three duke it out over who gets the seats. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:44:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #142 - scholarly articles about Joni Hey Matt -- Good to hear you are doing your thesis on Joni and her music. Would love to read your thesis when its done. I read some stuff written about Joni in the past found mostly in book chapters or articles in our library. I have been working on an article with two grad students on music and sometimes in between search my search for a book, I would gravitate towards books about Joni, Dylan, Joan Baez, etc. I am not sure if you are looking for similar stuff that Whitesell has written (harmonic palate of early Joni) or the ones that use some social theory. But in any event, you may want to check out this book by Sheila Whiteley called "Women and Popular Music". She devoted chapters to various female singers (e.g. Tracy Chapman, Annie Lennox, Madonna, etc.) and has a chapter on Joni with something like "Joni, 'Blue' and Female Subjectivity" or some-such title (I dont have that book with me right now). I am amazed at Whiteley's immersion in Joni literature that contextualized Joni's music against her rural beginnings, 'rock and roll' revolution, and radical feminist movements in the 60s. Whiteley draws from the theoretical texts of bell hooks and even Deleuze. I recommend the book (interesting articles too on other artists in the same book especially P.J. Harvey, Spice Girls, Tori Amos). Then there's Stacy Luftig's "The Joni Mitchell Companion: FOur Decades of Commentary" which culls various articles written about Joni as well as interviews (with nice photos). Luftig thanked the List for much of the info that she unearthed for this book. The articles are thematically arranged with chapter titles like "The Seagull from Saskatoon," "Charismatic Siren ...Doom-Laden Seer", etc and the articles included in those chapters were taken from a pool of write-ups written between 1966 to 1998. Nice interviews too. I get a kick reading how certain songs were composed from completely random acts and how people labeled it far far differently from what she actually meant. Also there is Larry David Smith's "Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell and the Torch Song Tradition" which is even more engaging. For fans of Joni especially those who have been here in the List for a long time or those who read Joni stories in major dailies through the years, some of the things Smith wrote on Joni may seem like old news. But I like the way he insightfully writes about things based on materials previously written and opened up new debates about Joni's legend. He has this appealing way of drawing from various quotes and shape new ways of interpreting it. Also there are a few other books written about Joni that you can use that may be in opposition with other books' claims, but I guess it is exciting to draw out this dialectical tension between texts. Someone in the List asked about a book written by Vego (sp?) on Joni and if I remembered correctly, someone said it was a hodge-podge work. But it might be interesting to look at it as reference too. Our own JMDL member Karen O'Brien has written one on Joni as well. One quick look at amazon.com also revealed one written by Brian Hinton. And oh by the way, if you can come across this book called "Reading Pop" edited by Richard Middleton, there is an exciting chapter called "Three Tributaries of 'The River'" written by Dai Griffiths. Joni was mentioned only once but the song that is focused is Springsteen's "The River". There are Whitesell-like dissection of chords and melody in the said article, but thought you might want to compare this article with Joni's own "River". Anyway, enough said. Goodluck to the thesis (and yeah include my email too in your listserve devoted to Joni articles/write-ups). Joseph in Apple Chill np: The Decemberists "Los Angeles, I'm Yours" MattJones a icrit : Hello all! I am a Graduate Musicology student at The University of Georgia, and I am writing my thesis on Joni! For the summer, I am trying to gather as many articles (of the academic and journalistic sort) on Joni I can. It's pretty easy to get the reviews/ interviews thanks to jmdc, but I am having trouble finding scholarly writing on Joni. If anyone has any leads, that would be great! Thus far, I've only found Whitesell's article on joni's harmonic palate, an article on Woodstock by Camille Paglia (check it out if you haven't seen it, in her book "Break, Blow, Burn" she calls "woodstock" the most important poem since Plath's "Daddy.") and a handfull of others. I am not asking you guys to do my work for me, but if you have any guidance, that'd be fabulous. I am also considering starting a listserv for scholarly writers who study Joni. If anyone's interested in that, let me know. I'll try to have it going by the end of summer. Thanks! Matt Jones Athens, GA rats live on no evil star - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! 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All this > technology (esp. cellphones > that take pictures and where you can watch movies - > why??? - and listen to > mp3s and download horrible ringtones) - just say no! > > > when i was a kid, i was the one who taught my > parents to programme the vcr, > now im the old toppie, im screwed - no kids to teach > me to use my cellphone. > the print in the manual is too small (i dont bring > my glasses home form > work), so i just take the cheapest phone & gift > voucher when i renew my > contract. i figure i can use the voucher to buy a > real camera, & get the > best of both worlds. > > > ron > Yeah, it's not so much being technically inept as being blind. I've been really myopic since I was about 7 (OK, I wasn't really myopic WHEN I was 7, but y'know - - it was all downhill from then on) and then I hit my 40s and the presbyopia set in. I can't read any small print, so cellphones, remote controls and oh yeah, the print on medicine bottles are impossible to read. Pushing buttons blindly sometimes helps and I'm all for it. For everything else, I call upon my kids, usually Matthew because he may give me a dirty look but he does my bidding, whereas Sarah will want to engage in a debate about it. And I've also discovered that, although my hearing is fine, my ability to differentiate among a number of different noisy things going on has gone to hell. The kids can be arguing over something, the TV can be on, the cats can be yelling for something to eat and I'm completely oblivious to it all. It's great! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:02:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc Let the other three duke it out over who gets the seats.> So you want to see a fight between an old lady, a pregnant lady, and a cripple? Sounds pretty twisted floop-shooby to me, but you can probably tune into FOX or MTV tonight and see something close. Bob NP: Wilco, "Jesus, Etc" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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The trial of Ethel and Julius Rosenburg in 1951 brought media "trumpeting" (loudly publicizing) to the forefront as an agenda to garner support of court charges, particularly for espionage or political events: Eric Alterman, The Nation (29th April, 1996) <<< Here we go again. New York Post editor Eric Breindel, writing in The New Republic and The Wall Street Journal, insists that the recent release by the National Security Agency of an encrypted document sent by a Soviet spy in Washington to his superiors in Moscow on March 30, 1945, constitutes "the smoking gun in the Hiss case," proving "beyond doubt" that Hiss "was still a Soviet agent in 1945." Since I am writing in what Breindel (who has died since this article was written) preemptively calls "America's leading forum for Alger Hiss apologia," one could be forgiven for expecting yet another plea for justice for Hiss. Sorry. I take no position on guilt or innocence (in truth, I still can't make up my mind). Today's lesson deals instead with a disturbing nexus of scholarship, journalism and Cold War fanaticism that, based on either a careless or a deliberately malicious reading of declassified national security documents, threatens our ability ever to make sense of the past half-century of our history. The drill has become a familiar one: Hitherto secret documents or ex-spy confessions, often backed up by a major publishing campaign, reveal that so-and-so was a spy all along. Journalists trumpet the charge, calling on "respected" academics to either endorse or debunk the charges. Depending on the usually predictable political orientation of the academic in question, a person's reputation is either destroyed or merely damaged. The story then goes away until the next batch of documents appears or the next spy gets religion. The latest cycle began back in 1990 with a book co-written by KGB defector Oleg Gordievsky, and Christopher Andrew, a respected British intelligence historian, titled KGB: The Inside Story. Though he did not endorse the charge himself, Gordievsky argued, in Andrew's words, that as a young agent he had been reliably informed by many important Soviet intelligence officials that Harry Hopkins, FDR's most trusted adviser, had been a Soviet "agent of major significance." Time trumpeted the charges in a much-publicized excerpt but, owing to both the unbelievability of the charges and the authors' unwillingness to stand by them, they did not cause much of a stir. Most reviewers were decidedly unimpressed with the work. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. scored Time for publishing the excerpt and said "the whole Hopkins passage smells of sensationalism on the part of the book's authors." The great military historian Sir Michael Howard noted that nothing in the book was likely to surprise Western intelligence services, though "there is probably much that they know not to be true." The only reputations to suffer significant damage were those of Time and Andrew. (Being a KGB defector, Gordievsky did not have much to lose, reputation-wise.) Recently, it is U.S. intelligence releases that have been making news. After classifying its intercepts as top secret for decades and refusing all scholars' entreaties for access, the National Security Agency called a press conference in July 1995 to announce the release of forty-nine intercepts, dubbed the Venona papers, that dealt with the case of the Rosenbergs. Sanho Tree, a research fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies, had applied for these same documents under the Freedom of Information Act in 1993 but was informed that they were properly classified as top secret. Tree received the documents by Federal Express just hours before the press conference began. Apparently, the NSA decided it would endanger national security if an IPS scholar saw the material before it had a chance to invite favored journalists to a screening, complete with fancy booklets and brochures. This first batch of transcripts convinced many (including me) that Julius Rosenberg was indeed a spy. Even committed Rosenberg partisans Walter and Miriam Shneir were convinced. But Ronald Radosh, transformed from obscure New Left historian to well-funded, right-wing hatchetman during the Reagan era, crowed that the documents proved "the Rosenbergs were not only Communists" but "were recruited right out of the party for Soviet espionage." Radosh, however, only proved once again his ability to read into documents what he wished to believe in the first place. The intercepts did nothing to prove Ethel's espionage involvement or mitigate the accusation that the government executed an innocent woman in a failed attempt to extract a confession from her husband. (Radosh and Joyce Milton, his coauthor of "The Rosenberg File," had contended that "it seems almost certain that (Ethel) acted as an accessory.") Nor did the intercepts prove that Julius operated a spy ring on the order necessary to have carried out the plot for which he was executed, though this may have been the case. >>> Trials being "trumpet scored" could be about whether one could withstand the scrutiny surrounding unpopular actions and the line about the Christians clapping and the germans grinning could thinly reference the shenanigans surrounding the Rosenberg trial... or: 2. A classic French movie "The Trial of Joan of Arc" - 1962 Directed by Robert Bresson contained NO music other than a drum roll at the beginning and a trumpet fanfare introducing Joan's first interrogation. I like to think of our Joan as a fan of Joan of Arc's and/or perhaps a fan of foreign films and can see the "trials are trumpet scored" as bringing to mind a religious interrogation of sorts. Her asking "Will we pass the test" in my way of thinking means if the relationship with a priest came down to close scrutiny would they pass the test and appear to be "above board" regarding their level of intimacy. The line "Make them both confess" seems to be a veiled reference to interrogation and the fact that trumpets are the only music surrounding Joan's interrogation in the film seemed to make sense to me at the time. I am sure there are others who have some sort of theory regarding these lyrics... these are strictly my own thoughts, not sanctioned by any government agency or conspiracy theorists. Warmly and with a bit of tongue in cheek, Cassy NP: Orchestra Square - Gary Zack (yes OUR Gary Zack!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:27:53 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: catholic school, njc Marianne wrote: <<< I am curious. . . whomever or whoever (?) would like to respond. . Did you go to catholic school? What grades? Anything you'd like to say about it? >>> From the age of 5 until I was 15 I attended Catholic schools. First in primary school I had both male and female teachers, then to grammar school where I was taught by the sisters of the Cross and Passion until my family emigrated to the USA in 1969.. Transferring from a convent school of 400 all-white all-girl students to an integrated school of 6000 was somewhat traumatic and distracting. A new country, a new school, no friends, no idea of how to "fit in" was certainly eye-opening. The summer of 1969, man's first walk on the moon, the aftermath of the Detroit riots, anti war protests, tie-dye shirts and ragged bell-bottom jeans from the "crisp white sheets of curfew" (actually gold shirts and brown pleated skirts with straw boatas in the summer) and my first Joni moments... what a year! The only thing I have to say about catholic school is that I was raised in guilt all my life up until 1969 and I swear that my fascination with kink came from my frequent early canings. Warmly, Cassy NP: Summertime - Joni and Herbie Hancock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:24:38 +1200 From: "Hell" Subject: RE: NJC Re: NJC Re: now customer service & cellphones njc Bob wrote: > So you want to see a fight between an old lady, a pregnant lady, and a > cripple? Sounds pretty twisted floop-shooby to me, but you can probably > tune into FOX or MTV tonight and see something close. The name "Jerry Springer" comes to mind pretty damn fast.... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:57:20 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Surveillance - NSA (njc) Sure. Just because the audience knows the answer and the spokesman won't comment, doesn't mean he's covering up, or lying. He appears to be a buffoon so it makes "good video". Because it's "good video", it's "News" but that's just shallow entertainment. Remember when our troops landed on the shore somewhere at night (Iraq?), and the news crews were on shore, waiting for them, lights blazing? Our troops' night vision goggles were blinded by the light. It wasn't funny to me at all, but the press tried to spin it like the White House spokesman was a buffoon because he wouldn't confirm we had landed troops. In some situations, there's less to it than meets the (camera's) eye. Jim > From: kbhla@sbcglobal.net [mailto:kbhla@sbcglobal.net] Bottom line > is that most > people who work in sensitive government positions (and that would > obviously > include people working in the White House) cannot comment on > certain things, > even if those things are common knowledge or can be easily determined by > research. Not to mention how dumb it would be to announce to the > whole world > in a press conference what we are up to. > > And yet how sad that Bush's new press secretary just minutes ago on > > national television said he would not comment on a program they haven't > > admitted even exists. Maybe you should call the White House and > give them > > the facts. > > > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:09:21 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Ping Pat Henry Bolland!!! Please contact me!!! Your email addy on the JMDL site doesn't work.... sorry for the bandwidth.... thanks, Rosie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:04:11 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in the workplace Way to stand up for your rights, Patti Parlette! And a nice bit of analysis of your own, I might add . I'm going back to blaming God for this sort of thing. I hope She can take it as well as She dishes it out. - -Julius Now looking at the framed photo of Wollman Rink in NYC's Central Park beside me, acquired when I visited there during the recent NY JoniFest. It's a favorite. I've got a photo fo the "Poet's Walk" there, too. Nice. Thanks for the memories. Patti writes: > Hey, now don't you threaten ME, you mean old daddy! I'll hip-check you > right into the boards at Wollman Rink! Hip-check-a-BOOM! You'll crash into > someone's arms! > > I am not responsible for your earworms or your behavior or anything else. > My analyst told me! > > Laughing it all away, > > Patti P. > > >Revenge will be served cold, my dear. :-) > > > >-Julius, npimh: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:25:10 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Priest lyrics query For what it's worth (which ain't much these days), I'm going to throw something into this 'ring we're in'. Mostly because this verse of this song has always puzzled me. The lines that follow the lines that jr quoted are: 'Oh come let's run from this ring we're in Where the Christians clap and the Germans grin' To me this suggests the Roman coliseum in the days of the Roman Empire. It sounds like somebody is being thrown to the lions or maybe forced as gladiators to fight to the death. That would certainly be a 'trumpet scored' event or trial, if you will. As to what she meant by it and how the Germans come into it, I'm dashed if I know! If 'the priest' is Leonard Cohen, and I think there is some evidence to suggest that might be the case, then mixing up sex, love, hate, death, religion, confession, guilt, redemption, self denial, with a possible reference to martyrs & so forth would be entirely appropriate to the song. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Priest lyrics query > Of course! OK, how about this: > 1) The 'trials' refer to the start of a new relationship. > 2) Now, I'm no orchestral composer, but what if the final parts of any > particular score are the trumpet parts? That would mean that the new > relationship is past the 'trials', or 'new' phase and then the > accompanying > worry or concern at that point (by either side) that they'll be unlucky > enough to be the one who 'loves more and more', while worrying that the > other person will be the one who 'loves less and less'. I would guess > that > the test that is trying to be passed is not having the relationship turn > out just that way. > If that's the case, then it makes perfect sense! > (Never thought I'd ever utter these words, but) Thanks Hell! > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Hell hell@ihug.co.nz > Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:15:49 +1200 > To: bluejr@adelphia.net, joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Priest lyrics query > > The lyrics on www.jonimitchell.com read slightly differently: > > Now the trials are trumpet scored > Oh will we pass the test > Or just as one loves more and more > Will one love less and less > > Which has a different meaning (to me, at least) from the words you quoted. > I would interpret that as meaning that the "trials" of relationships are > "scored" (metaphorically) with trumpet-sounds, ie. she's scoring various > aspects or her life (or whoever she's singing about), and these trials are > highlighted with trumpet sounds, as opposed to something softer like > strings, or piano. The following lines refer to the relationship, ie. as > one partner develops deeper feelings, will the other lose feeling? > > Just my $0.02 worth.... > > > Hell > ___________________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:44:24 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: sherelle njc Sherelle, who are you thinking about as you sing "you are my heart?' mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:48:29 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Happy Birthday, Smurf! Smurf's cherished friend Catherine wrote: And, on this day, May 17, in 1953, Mrs Murphy gave birth to a bouncing bundle of joy - and a bouncing bundle of joy he remains to this day. H*A*P*P*Y B*I*R*T*H*D*A*Y, B*O*B M*U*R*P*H*Y! Bounce on, baby boy! - -------- Dear Mr. Murphy: I am a very important person, but I'm taking time out from my busy schedule to wish you a happy birthday. I think you are the Joni cat's pajamas! Best wishes, Kitty Wells - ------ Bonne anniversaire, Shirley Yu! Mmmmmwah! Lots of love, Patti P., in a packing frenzy, heading for the Lone Star State tomorrow. Why, you may ask? Ostensibly for my niece's wedding in (sugar) Magnolia, although a quick mapquest tells me that Camp Casey/Crawford Peace House is only a 4 hour and 10 minute drive....hmmmm....a peace pilgrimage, peut-etre? Texas Tush (db) and Mack -- are you near Houston at all? Call my cell if so....Marianne or Julius can gived you the number. I would *love* to see some Joni people (if I'm not detained and handcuffed when I step off the plane!). ("Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, they call me the clapper" -- another earworm for you, Julius! LOL....) Love and peace to everybody. How am I going to live without the JMDL for four days??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:06:49 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Humour - The solution to high gas prices - NJC Gas Prices and Illegal Immigrants My mailbox is being flooded with mail concerning gas prices and illegal immigrants. To boycott oil companies or not; to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants or not, etc. Since I have become jaded to the various solutions proposed by the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Sierra Club, ACLU, etc. I have elected to solve the problems as they affect me. It solves both my gas and illegal immigrant problems. I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car. They're plentiful and cheaper than buying gas. (Forgive me, in the recent South-Detroit protests broadcast on local news we were informed that illegal immigrants prefer to be addressed as "undocumented residents") Warmly, Cassy NP: Ask Me No Questions - Albert King/Stevie Ray Vaughan 1983 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:15:18 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: njc njc coyote since we're on the subject of coyotes. i know what i like about coyotes, they're fun to watch as they watch me. this morning, 6:45, taking allie for he morning walk-----out in the big pasture i saw these two eyes and two ears looking at me. maybe 50-60 feet away. we just stood there watching each other waiting for someone to make a move, allie finally caught the scent and barked, coyote bounded, didn't run, but bounded like a antelope in the tall grass for the rocks and jump on top of one of the rocks. sat there in the classic coyote yoga style and stared back at me. i think he was trying to tell me something like, "nice house, college education, good money---we all make mistakes." anyway someone in a passing car honked and spook him, he literally ran up a fence post to get out of the pasture. nice morning. gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:36:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Magnificant Desolation: Walking on the Moon, njc Hopi prophecy warned us not to bring back anything from the moon... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:53:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Surveillance - NSA (njc) >most people who work in sensitive government positions (and that would obviously include people working in the White House) cannot comment on certain things< I remember arguing with my dad, who defended Nixon during his tenure with this very same argument... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #194 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------