From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #191 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 16 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 191 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: mini fest, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] sjc, Cindy on Canada ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, Good luck to Kate, and lots of SB memories [Catherine McKay ] RE: njc, Good luck to Kate, and lots of SB memories ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: njc, more 1967 Santa Barbara ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: sjc, Cindy on Canada njc [Doug ] Re: sjc, Cindy on Canada njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: NSA (NJC), US political content, from the center ["Jim L'Hommedieu, L] Re: Places of Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Cindy on Canada njc ["Patti Parlette" ] A song about Santa Barbara ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:43:22 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: mini fest, njc Kate wrote: Laura keeps threatening to come this way so maybe we can coordinate a mini fest of anti war mother's of sons jmdlers! Hi Kate, I'll be coming... that's another threat. Wink. Yes, I'd like it if we son-bearing mothers who have had the experience of arranging parties and parties and parties for our sons do at some point coordinate a mini fest in Cal... but let no son or daughter be excluded, even the pro-war ones who love Joni. My oldest son Michael, 14, wants to be a professional drummer. He practices about 5 hours a day. He can play some really cool Led Zeppelin beats. I told him I'm behind him making a career of it as long as he takes at least a few business courses in the process. He talks about moving to California in the future. I'm encouraging him toward Memphis and Nashville because these are closer to Arkansas, but I know if he's got that aching in his heart, he'll be going to California. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:10:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc, Cindy on Canada Bonjour! I just found this new article by Cindy: Oh No, Canada! By Cindy Sheehan t r u t h o u t | Perspective Saturday 13 May 2006 Is it just JMOCDed moi or does the title sound rather Joniesque? ; ) Maybe it just refers to the anthem, though. Zut alors! When I met Cindy I was DYING to ask her if she liked Joni, but the timing was never appropriate. I know she likes Carly, because at dinner she mentioned her daughter (author of that heartbreaking poem). I asked her if she named her after Carly Simon, and she smiled and said yes. Ah, the conversation turns to female singers. Perfect! I was just about to ask her if she liked Joni when some other dinner guest had to open his trap and ask her about the war. I wanted to jump up and knock him off his seat and tell him we had more important things to talk about, but I restrained myself. (ONLY KIDDING!) Anyway, enjoy this, all you gracious Canadiens. Here is just one shining snippet to reel you in: ".......Canadians have to be the healthiest looking and most polite citizenry that I have encountered in my travels. The British people that I have met are very polite but have nowhere near the graciousness of Canadians. Canadians are truly civil, and they mean it. Canadians have been proud of their country's role of world peacekeeper and as the beacon of peace and hope and refuge for us Americans who feel that our country's aggressive militarism endangers us and harms our reputations and souls. Now Canadians need to wake up to the fact that their new minority, disliked government is leading them down this same slippery slope to the fascistic militarism of their immediate neighbors to the south...." It's all here: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306Y.shtml Oh, Canada! Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Good luck to Kate, and lots of SB memories - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > > It was more beautiftul than I remembered. We drove > through the town (as the > children let out from the schools) and my mom and > dad and I were oohing and > ahhing at everything. I remember thinking: "1967 > was the best year of my > life", when my dad said, from the back seat, "I > think 1967 was the best year > of our lives." > > Sigh. > > I miss my Dad. I am so glad we got back to SB > together. It is now a very > cherished memory for me. [...] > To make a long story short (oh, I wish I could be as > succint as Catherine > and Smurf!), Being succinct isn't always a good thing. I can ramble with the best of them, and I'm generally only succinct when I'm pissed off or just plain mean. (I don't know what Smurf's excuse if and Lord knows I won't even attempt to speak on his behalf - pah! as if I could, but I digress...) That was a beautiful piece of writing, mon amie. I was just so there with you. I wanna go to Santa Barbara in the 60s! I'm guessing you moved out there & then back again because your Dad was transferred. It sounds like he wanted to stay there too. My Dad was transferred a couple of times too, but not that quickly! I'm so happy for you (see, I'm not always mean!) that you got to go back there with your Dad and that you felt the same way about it - and that you both said so. Lucky you. You got out of Catholic school once you got to high school. I endured it all the way through high school. That probably explains my social ineptitude. Oh wait. Maybe not. My sisters are normal enough, normal being a relative thing. In any case, it sounds like heaven and I hope our Kate blew their socks off. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:04:51 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Places of Joni fell "into your arms." _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:22:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc, Good luck to Kate, and lots of SB memories Catherine & Patti, now you've got me still thinking of 1967 again this morning... rereading this paragraph below... it could be an episode from the wonder years... but better! How cool that you both had that same feeling about 1967... even though I hadn't yet made it to CA ... yes summer 1967 was something very very special to me... in spite of the Vietnam war (that I was not quite aware of yet)... before the assassinations of two more leaders of peace... it was a special & innocently sweet moment with so much possibility... > It was more beautiftul than I remembered. We drove > through the town (as the > children let out from the schools) and my mom and > dad and I were oohing and > ahhing at everything. I remember thinking: "1967 > was the best year of my > life", when my dad said, from the back seat, "I > think 1967 was the best year > of our lives." > > Sigh. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:03:43 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, more 1967 Santa Barbara Not-at-all-mean Catherine wrote: >That was a beautiful piece of writing, mon amie. I was >just so there with you. I wanna go to Santa Barbara in >the 60s! > Well, maybe we can! There is a physics professor here at UConn working on time travel. I'm not kidding, mon amie! http://www.physics.uconn.edu/~mallett/main/time_travel.htm I'll sign us up for his first test run, okay? Nah. We shouldn't get on that flight tonight. On second thought (two thoughts are better than one) we should wait until he perfects it. We don't want to end up in Europe during the Bubonic Plague or hanging out with Marie Antoinette when they go "off with her head" or anything. And if we want to go in THIS moment of the world, we can hitch a ride with Laura who keeps threatening Kate. ; ) Yes! I can already hear the caressing rev of motors on the Joni Mitchell magic doubledecker bus for aging children right now-- --- bus, bus, magic bus -- , air-brushed with Mark E.'s beautiful wallpapers, with Marianne driving at the top (shooby dooby) as we cruise through flip city, flashing the peace sign out of the windows as the streets are filled with passers-by, with Em and Lori as our motorcyle escorts in the red states. Vroom, Joni vroom! We can pick up some hitchhikers on the fine white lines of the free freeway and get to Kates just as she's finishing brushing out her brood mare's tail and we'll laugh and toast to Joni and the entire JMDL. I can't believe no one has written a song about beautiful Santa Barbara. All that beautiful Spanish architecture with the white buildings and red tile roofs, El Paseo, the charming shops, the beautiful courthouse where that lawyer/whatever show was filmed at. The big fiesta in early August, with all the bright flags hung out on holidays. The harbor! The harbor lights. The seafood. The art show on the beach. The mission. There are so many songs about the City of the Fallen Angels and the City by the Bay. Kate, have you ever thought of writing one, or do you know of one? Kate, did you go to Dos Pueblos or San Marcos? I would have had to decide between them because we lived right on the line, right off of Paterson Avenue. 5232 University Drive. I'll never forget that address. (NPIMH: "Get back, get back, get back to where you once belonged...") And in a very Proustian way, I can still smell the fern and fauna of the creek beds there....and the eucalyptus or sycamore trees scent on the beach paths....see the purple and fuschia flowering rubber plants at El Cap that, if you snap them, are all watery and jelly and juicy coooool inside....smell the coppertone...see the tanned surfer boys with strains of "Ruby Tuesday" coming from the woodies in the parking lot...sandy legs and toes... (no beach tar on your feet yet because it was before the big oil spill)...sun-kissed skin turning brown...golden in time....spraying Sun-In in our hair for that "natural" California look so we could look like Cheryl Tiegs or Peggy Lipton...lol!......walking down to Taco Bell when it was new and good for 15 cent tacos and burritos...beachtowels tied around our youthful waists...camping trips at El Cap with 4 neighbor families....stealing my dad's pillowcase to put the gopher snake in....cooking real taco shells in hot oil on the green Coleman stove...and those Coleman lamps that you pump up...seeing for the first time in my life the last crescent of orange sun slip into the ocean....so surreal! running back to shore at night with the kids your age looking to see if the grunion are running...walking back up the beach path in the dark (beware of the power of moons!) w/ Danny Baker ("I can't see me lovin' no body but you, the rest of my life....") holding your hand and trying to kiss you and your little brother acting dorky, popping out of the bushes (so much for "I think we're alone now") pretending he has a movie camera, saying "Take ONE!" "Take TWO!" every time he tries. Oh, those were the days, my friends. I hope you all have such good memories of your youth. We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came.... NPIMH: Lesley Gore California Nights Along the sand, Let's walk the shore together, now, just hand in hand. It's gonna be fair weather, now, When the stars come out, stop to count them in the sky. Love California nights, When I'm walkin' with you hand in hand by the shore, Yes, I love California nights, At the beach where we'd swim with the tide rolling in. And there will be beneath the midnight sky above Just you and me, and we will whisper words of love While the fire light softly flickers in the sand. Warm California nights, With the breeze blowin' in - time for love to begin. I would miss California nights if I went on my way, Thinkin' now that I'll stay. Ooh, baby, Love you, baby, Mm, baby. Love California nights, Always close as a kiss, nothing's sweeter than this, And we'll spend California nights, Always close as a kiss... [Fade Out] No wonder Joni's "California" made me crazy when it came out. It just fed the whole California Dreamin' thing. Cheers to all of you lucky folks in California. Hey, no. Wait a minute. You have enough cheer. Cheers to all of us who are NOT in California! Love, Patti P., in a petite pique of jalousie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:34:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc, more 1967 Santa Barbara >I can't believe no one has written a song about beautiful Santa Barbara. ... There are so many songs about the City of the Fallen Angels and the City by the Bay. Kate, have you ever thought of writing one, or do you know of one?< I am not sure if I have ever heard a song about SB (other than a pretty lame one about christmas in sb written for the annual holiday charity...) having lived here for so long & seeing so much change I'm afraid my song would be a bit more cynical ('this used to be my town' is the title I keep thinking of)... we've moved out of sb into the santa ynez valley where there is more sun (yesterday at the beach was overcast all day- typical summer weather during june especially... note to visitors, come in september or October when it is the most beautiful here!), less congestion, more space... but yes sb is still very beautiful for sure... you experienced it at its best I think Patti, when it was still a small sleepy surfer town... now it's a city with lots of good things that a city brings but something is lost too... >Kate, did you go to Dos Pueblos or San Marcos? I would have had to decide between them because we lived right on the line, right off of Paterson Avenue. 5232 University Drive. I'll never forget that address. < My sister & brother went to san marcos (lol wondering if either of them knew danny baker!)... I was out of HS when I arrived here in 1971 (but went to SBCC & graduated UCSB)... those first years here were pure magic for me too... lots of time at the beach & drinking smoothies & eating guacamole (heavenly food!) for the first time! & yes going down at night to see the grunion run... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:38:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc, more 1967 Santa Barbara Have you ever google mapped (with the satellite photo) this address? I did that with the house I grew up in & retraced all my old stomping grounds as a kid, where I'd ride my bike etc... its kind of fun... >we lived right on the line, right off of Paterson Avenue. 5232 University Drive. I'll never forget that address.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:01:38 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: sjc, Cindy on Canada njc Patti I listened to an interview with Cindy on the local CBC Ottawa radio when she was here. I was very impressed with her arguments, not that I ever disagreed with her point of view, but she was very articulate. It's inspiring to see someone rise to the challenge as she has. Too bad our new Prime Minister doesn't want to listen to her. He's probably afraid he'll offend his new best friend GWB. I don't believe this Conservative government will survive the next election, which will likely be in about 2 years. The Conservatives were elected in response to a corruption scandal in the Liberal party and IMO the weak direction/leadership of the previous Prime Minister. I expect that Harper, with his wagon hitched to GWB, is in for a bumpy ride. Within 2 years, King George will be seen by all for the fool he is. With a new leader, the Liberals will be back next time, I'm sure. I'm more concerned about the 2008 US election. What alternative is there to the Dem/Rep "War Party", as Cindy calls it. Please don't say Hillary. This is all in my humble opinion, of course. Doug Patti Parlette wrote: > Bonjour! > > I just found this new article by Cindy: > > > Oh No, Canada! > By Cindy Sheehan > t r u t h o u t | Perspective > Saturday 13 May 2006 > > > Is it just JMOCDed moi or does the title sound rather Joniesque? ; > ) Maybe it just refers to the anthem, though. > > Zut alors! When I met Cindy I was DYING to ask her if she liked > Joni, but the timing was never appropriate. I know she likes Carly, > because at dinner she mentioned her daughter (author of that > heartbreaking poem). I asked her if she named her after Carly Simon, > and she smiled and said yes. Ah, the conversation turns to female > singers. Perfect! I was just about to ask her if she liked Joni when > some other dinner guest had to open his trap and ask her about the > war. I wanted to jump up and knock him off his seat and tell him we > had more important things to talk about, but I restrained myself. > (ONLY KIDDING!) > > Anyway, enjoy this, all you gracious Canadiens. > > Here is just one shining snippet to reel you in: > > ".......Canadians have to be the healthiest looking and most polite > citizenry that I have encountered in my travels. The British people > that I have met are very polite but have nowhere near the graciousness > of Canadians. Canadians are truly civil, and they mean it. Canadians > have been proud of their country's role of world peacekeeper and as > the beacon of peace and hope and refuge for us Americans who feel that > our country's aggressive militarism endangers us and harms our > reputations and souls. Now Canadians need to wake up to the fact that > their new minority, disliked government is leading them down this same > slippery slope to the fascistic militarism of their immediate > neighbors to the south...." > > It's all here: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306Y.shtml > > Oh, Canada! > > Love, > > Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sjc, Cindy on Canada njc - --- Doug wrote: > I don't believe this Conservative government will > survive the next > election, which will likely be in about 2 years. The > Conservatives were > elected in response to a corruption scandal in the > Liberal party and IMO > the weak direction/leadership of the previous Prime > Minister. > I expect that Harper, with his wagon hitched to GWB, > is in for a bumpy > ride. Within 2 years, King George will be seen by > all for the fool he is. > With a new leader, the Liberals will be back next > time, I'm sure. I think so too. I hope so. I really like Bob Rae, and I'd love to see him leader of the Liberal party and our next PM, but I'm not sure if he has a chance because of his past NDP-ness. A bunch of us at work were discussing Harper before the election. Most of us are convinced that he's not actually human. There's something... missing. A soul, perhaps? There is something vaguely reptilian... and a little plastic as well. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:35:10 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: NSA (NJC), US political content, from the center Okay, I believe you when you say that someone owns the backbone. But said you are "counteract a tendency toward fatalism". Does that mean that you think email is unscanned and private? I'm not trying to bait you, I just want to know. BTW, I use the backbone to keep my long distance charges down- VoIP rocks, sometimes. Jim > From: djp [mailto:djp@djpnet.net] > It is simply and completely untrue that no one owns the internet > backbone. > It is owned and operated by long distance carriers like MCI, SPRINT, GTE, > ATT, etc (who are themselves owned by each other, no doubt). These > carriers are under contractual obligation to each other and to > ISPs. They > also operate under constitutional, statutory, and regulatory constraints, > many of them dealing with privacy (Fourth Amendment law, Electronic > Communication Privacy Act, etc). > > I agree with most of your post, but I just had to chime in here, to > counteract a tendency toward fatalism. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:55:33 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: Places of Joni Hi Mark, Yes, it is a cultural reference. African-Americans still face struggles every day. I see it all the time when someone is waiting at McDonald's during off-peak times. I walk in, and none is taking the order from an African-American. The counter staff is often talking about football in the kitchen. I ask, "Isn't anyone helping you?" They say, "No, they're busy back there." I say, "EXCUSE ME. Could we buy some food please?" Then I turn, and say, "You have to look out for yourself, sometimes." But we both know what it is: it's often "a black thing". No offense to you. I know you're not even in North America. It's just an conditioned response on my part. Jim Mark-Leon Thorne, in Sydney said, >Hi Jim. I did indeed forget Harlem. Not intentionally, I assure you. I'm a bit confused by your comment, "It's a black thing". I understand there is a district in New York called, Harlem that is mainly populated by African/Americans but your comment still confuses me. Is this a cultural reference?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 03:05:03 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Cindy on Canada njc Doug wrote: >I listened to an interview with Cindy on the local CBC Ottawa radio when >she was here. I was very impressed with her arguments, >not that I ever disagreed with her point of view, but she was very >articulate. It's inspiring to see someone rise to the challenge as she has. Absolument. She is very articulate, and she speaks very calmy and directly. She doesn't get rattled when provoked. I have wondered what her educational background is, but haven't been able to find her c.v. anywhere. All I can say is, she's done a lot of homework. A real lot. I admire her like no other. To turn her unspeakable grief into such dog-eat-dog determination is a lesson to us all. Sweet inspiration. (Uh oh! Joni Tic... oh well Just another hard time band With Negro affectations I was a hopeful in rooms like this When I was working cheap It's an old romance the Boho dance It hasn't gone to sleep.. no real relation to the subject at hand.... Joni just crept into my head, comme d'habitude. You know how it is! ; ) But back to serious...... Catherine wrote: "A bunch of us at work were discussing Harper before the election. Most of us are convinced that he's not actually human. There's something... missing. A soul, perhaps? There is something vaguely reptilian... and a little plastic as well." Well then, he's got a friend in Dubya. "Friend of the devil is a friend of mine...." Cindy told our dinner party that when she looked into GWB's eyes, at that first meeting (when he was supposed to be consoling the parents) that he had NO soul, NO compassion, NO eye contact. Dead, no-depth, shark eyes. Sorry, mes ami(e)s. I'm getting a little dark cafe-ish ce soir. As much as we joke about all this, it's not funny. Maybe it's paranoia, maybe it's sensitivity....but I worry sometimes. Even anti-cowboy girls get the blues. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:14:11 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: A song about Santa Barbara I heard this on the syndicated "Acoustic Cafe"-it was a nice song, not especially happy, though: "Santa Barbara" - World Party ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #191 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------