From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #185 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 12 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 185 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: top 3 choices njc [Smurf ] Re: NJC 3 choices [Allmanfan54@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas [LCStanley7@aol.com] Coasting NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Coasting, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: (NJC) was Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - now scary religions [Cather] 3 choices/NJC/San Francisco sound 40 years later ["MIKE HICKS" ] Re: (NJC) was Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - now scary religions ["Lori ] Re: Mendel book ["Randy Remote" ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["ron" ] Re: (NJC) was Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - now scary religions [LCStan] joni icedancing? [djp ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: joni icedancing? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas [LCStanley7@aol.com] Keep those Joni Covers rolling...now volume 3 [Emiliano ] Re: Rapture (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Keep those Joni Covers rolling...now volume 3 ["ron" ] Re: Keep those Joni Covers rolling...now volume 3 [Catherine McKay ] Joni's BBC concert with James Taylor ["Steve Lytle" ] RE: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:00:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas >And are European kids as screwed up as American (and presumably Canadian) kids, with all the ADD, etc.?< I don't consider ADD as something 'screwed up'... in fact everyone I know with ADD is rather brilliant... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:06:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: top 3 choices njc Beatles (young) Elvis Tim Buckley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: top 3 choices njc The Beatles Louis Armstrong Judy Garland Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:57:52 EDT From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC 3 choices 1.) The Beatles on the roof of Abbey Road studios 2.) Woody Guthrie inspiring intererant workers at a work camp 3.) Pink Floyd doing Umma Gumma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:09:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > *Unless you believe the bible in which case the > earth has been around for > > 6,000 years and the rapture is coming soon anyway > so why bother? > > That's the Far Christian Right's answer to why we > should drill in ANWR and > shouldn't bother to recycle. "God gave us this > earth to use up." Ugh. > > Lori Catherine wrote: Actually, I think it was Muller that started that but I deleted the e-mail. Where does the idea of the "rapture" come from anyway? Since I was raised as a Catholic, there was a lot of, "That's a sin!" "That's a mortal sin!" "That's only a venial sin!" but nuttin' 'bout no rapture. Is that in the Bible somewhere? (I'm being serious. I've seen too many Simpsons' episodes that deal with it, but I don't really get it!) Where do they get the idea the earth is 6000 yrs old? Hi Catherine, I have a really thick book I haven't totally read on the history of the errors of the concept of rapture. Apparently, the word rapture isn't in the Bible but mention of the second coming of Christ is. Strange predictions of a rapture before the second coming are usually a misconception of the book of Revelation based on fundamentalist fear-based beliefs. When the Bible is cut into pieces and not take with consideration of the history and tradition of the religions it came from, Jewish for the old testament and Christian for the new testament, things get crazy. This fear-based predicting has been going on since the early days of Christianity. As early as about 177AD the bishop of Lyons, Irenaeus, made a prediction that the earth would end 6000 years after it started, basing this on 2 Peter 3:8 which reads, "... In the Lord's eyes, one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years are as a day." This bishop said: "For in as many days as the world was made, in so many thousands of years shall it be concluded... In six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year." That would have meant the earth should have ended in 1000AD using the understanding of the age of the earth in Irenaeus' time. So the bishop was wrong. And, more recently people stretched what he said to mean the earth would end in the year 2000AD. They were wrong too. One fundamentalist group that currently publicize a lot about a rapture are the Tim LaHaye group. I'm familiar with him and his wife Beverly because I used to be in a group she started called Concerned Women for America. Worried women would be a better way to describe them. These types of fundamentalists are fear based and really don't deserve our time and consideration. They thrive on hot emotions, the flames of fear and anger, anger over the fear and fear over the anger. They make money from it and keep their ideas and organizations going by promoting negativism, using fear and anger as a fulcrum. That's what I learned from my short-lived trip with CWA. I said forget this when I saw how they portrayed gays, showing only the most obnoxious parades and behaviors. It was no place for a peaceful Catholic bisexual. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:12:43 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Coasting NJC I saw this little thing on the news the other night about the ways people are saving on their fuel costs. One guy built wings on his VW bug and by doing got almost 1000 miles on one tank of gas. Another guy coasts into red lights..stop signs..etc. So for the last week I've been doing the coast method...and I think I might have actually saved some fuel by doing so. Of course ..I'm sure..it can get annoying for the guy behind you. (I"ve gotten a few beeps here and there..a couple of hand gestures. I'm sure they were just waving ...) But it has slowed me down and takes some real discipline. My usual way is to zoom into stops. Bree PS. Wondering IF Laura would like to try the coast way of driving? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:29:31 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Coasting, NJC Bree wrote: Another guy coasts into red lights..stop signs..etc. So for the last week I've been doing the coast method...and I think I might have actually saved some fuel by doing so. Of course ..I'm sure..it can get annoying for the guy behind you. (I"ve gotten a few beeps here and there..a couple of hand gestures. I'm sure they were just waving ...) But it has slowed me down and takes some real discipline. My usual way is to zoom into stops. Bree PS. Wondering IF Laura would like to try the coast way of driving? Hi Breep Breep, Can you go a little faster? In answer to your question, I done coasted since I was in high school. Still do when I the needle's on E and the light goes on... "like an empty spot light." In high school, we coasted to save gas and would try to out do each other stretching our miles per gallon. We have enough hills to really do well coasting here. We can coast for a mile or more sometimes. Yes, I go coast to coast when I can and think about it. Guess the race is on again. Let's see who can improve their mpg the most. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:40:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) was Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - now scary religions - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Apparently, the > word rapture isn't in the > Bible but mention of the second coming of Christ > is. Strange predictions of > a rapture before the second coming are usually a > misconception of the book of > Revelation based on fundamentalist fear-based > beliefs. Thanks, Laura. Good explanation. Lori, there are definitely Catholics who still go for the fear-based style of religion and maybe there are some that believe in "rapture", whether they use that particular expression or not. A lot of the old-style Irish Catholics were into scaring the shite out of kids (and adults) - just about anything you could do, say, or even think about was a sin and we're all goin' ta hell! Fortunately, my family was the moderate type, but I still reject the whole thing because of the statements on gays, abortion and so on. (It's OK to BE gay, as long as you don't practice the "gay lifestyle." Gimme a break and concentrate on poverty, world hunger and war as the great evils, wouldya?) These days, I just see religions of any kind as some variation on creation myth and/or guidelines for people to better themselves and aspire to a higher plane - very interesting, but not to be taken literally. To hell with scaring people! Hell? Oh yeah, another myth! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:53:47 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: 3 choices/NJC/San Francisco sound 40 years later Jimi Hendrix Spirit - with the original lineup Jefferson Airplane - with Spencer Dryden and Papa John Creech(although he joined the Starship, still he was really cool) BTW the Starship is celebrating their 40 years of San Francisco music touring this summer. Country Joe McDonale is supposed to be present and Grateful Dead's first keyboardist(is that a word?) will appear. Mike NPIMH: Comin' Back To Me - Jefferson Airplane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: 3 choices/NJC/San Francisco sound 40 years later funny you mention Airplane. Yesterday with all those ecology posts I was reminded of 'Eskimo Blue Day" aka "Doesn't Mean Sh_t To a Tree" You think Grace will tour with them? My understanding is she's not real interested in that anymore. :) Em - --- MIKE HICKS wrote: > Jimi Hendrix > Spirit - with the original lineup > Jefferson Airplane - with Spencer Dryden and Papa John > Creech(although he joined the Starship, still he was really cool) > BTW the Starship is celebrating their 40 years of San Francisco music > touring this summer. Country Joe McDonale is supposed to be present > and Grateful Dead's first keyboardist(is that a word?) will appear. > > Mike > NPIMH: Comin' Back To Me - Jefferson Airplane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:28:23 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas > I don't consider ADD as something 'screwed up'... in fact everyone I know > with ADD is rather brilliant... Kate, I hope you will accept my apology for my off-the-cuff remark about ADD. I wouldn't say that people who have ADD aren't brilliant. I'm sure many -- perhaps most, perhaps all -- are. I think it's over diagnosed, anyway. What I do see is a lot of kids whose behavior is completely out of control. I'm not talking about kids who are in trouble -- yet. I'm talking about kids who can't hold still; they are literally jumping and bouncing everywhere. And they won't -- or can't -- calm down. I don't think prescribing Ritalin or similar drugs is the answer. Maybe in some severe cases, yes. But I think most of us can agree those types of drugs are over-prescribed. I know times have changed, but I don't remember there being so many kids bouncing off the walls when I was growing up. (Do you?) And there has to be a reason for it. So, what's the reason? And what can we do differently to get things back to "calm?" Or am I just imagining this is a problem, and it's really not? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:32:03 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) was Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - now scary religions > Lori, there are definitely Catholics who still go for > the fear-based style of religion and maybe there are > some that believe in "rapture", whether they use that > particular expression or not. A lot of the old-style > Irish Catholics were into scaring the shite out of > kids (and adults) - just about anything you could do, > say, or even think about was a sin and we're all goin' > ta hell! Fortunately, my family was the moderate > type, but I still reject the whole thing because of > the statements on gays, abortion and so on. (It's OK > to BE gay, as long as you don't practice the "gay > lifestyle." Gimme a break and concentrate on poverty, > world hunger and war as the great evils, wouldya?) "Religion is the opiate of the masses." Opium is illegal. There's a reason for that. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:19:31 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Mendel book There's one on ebay for 325.00 "buy it now" price. I know I've seen them cheaper-must be "voices" fever going around. There is also a 2" Otari reel-to-reel that the seller claims was once Joni's, if you have an extra $3000. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&satitle=Joni+Mitchell+voices&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=3%26fsoo%3D2&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi= - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" > The current price on Amazon.com is between $490 and $525 for used/new > after-market copies (No new copies are available first hand - out of > print) > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1896359280/qid=1147231630/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-7404067-5940841?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 > > I have an original copy with printed autograph (in black). This was > picked up for me by a kind JMDLer as I was unable to attend the showing in > person. > > Warmly, > Cassy > > NP: A Man and a Woman - U2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:17:20 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas hi >>>catherine wrote > Actually, I think it was Muller that started that but > I deleted the e-mail. Where does the idea of the > "rapture" come from anyway? Since I was raised as a > Catholic, there was a lot of, "That's a sin!" "That's > a mortal sin!" "That's only a venial sin!" but nuttin' > 'bout no rapture. >Where do they get the > idea the earth is 6000 yrs old? its not mentioned by that name - that was just something developed along the way to describe a whole process - which is also linked into the whole 6,000 year thing. if you work through the bible, taking all the genealogies, & people's ages, etc, you can apparently ( i dont have the patience or the interest to try it myself) come up with around 4,000 years between adam and jesus. add another two grand on top of that and you come up with around 6,000 to now. there are however some gaps in the timeline which make the result very approximate. this ties in with what laura said about the thousand years as a day thing. it has been interpreted by some people as implying that the creation of the earth in seven days is either a foreshadowing of a second creation of 7,000 years, or, alternatively that it is still the process of creation happening right now. the general thinking is that after 6,000 years will come the day of rest - as in the creation. jesus will come back, grab all the christians - both alive & dead - cleanse the world with fire, move the non christians somewhere else (not sure if the move is befor or after the fire?) then bring the christians back for a 1,000 years of peace & rest. then the final judgement happens & everyone goes off to wherever they go. the 6,000 years story also gained in popularity by the writing of a man named harold hill, who wrote some christian books a while ago. he is (claims?) to have been a nasa consultant, and president of the curtiss engine company. his story is that nasa were tracking the movement of planets & stars & all that gunk in space. working backwards the found two things. the first was that if you worked the orbits backwards, all the heavenly bodies merged into a single point around 6,000 years ago, and the second was that there was 23 hours & 40 minutes missing somewhere - and that this related to the two incidents in the bible where the sun stopped (24hrs for joshua) & moved backwards (elijah if i remember rightly). in the book this was claimed as fact, however 2 minutes on google seems to indicate otherwise. http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.htm http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/joshuaday.htm most of these "christian" books doing the rounds need to be taken with a good healthy dose of skepticism (books by tim lahaye who laura mentions are very much included) - just like books on other religions, history, politics, music, pop psychology, or any other topic. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:54:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) was Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - now scary religions Catherine wrote: (It's OK to BE gay, as long as you don't practice the "gay lifestyle." Gimme a break and concentrate on poverty, world hunger and war as the great evils, wouldya?) Top of the mornin' to you Catherine! The focus of the Catholic church is directed toward charity, accepting God's love and loving others regardless of their differences. Historically, charity and love have prevailed although for sure there has been and will be much imperfection from the human component of the church. Although there isn't much written in the Catholic catechism about homosexuality, it does state that the genesis of homosexuality is unexplained and that the numbers of homosexual men and women are not negligible, that homosexuality is not a choice, and that homosexuals should not be discriminated against. Given the history of the way the church deals with scientific understanding, slow though it might be, as the genesis of homosexuality is better understood by the scientific community, the church will base it's teaching accordingly. The church always tries to err on the side of caution, and will continue to do so until science shows homosexuality to be a natural condition rather than a disorder. We tend to think of science as being progressive and intelligent, but actually, it wasn't until 1943 that DNA was postulated to be the basis for physical traits. And it took another 10 years, 1953, before DNA was proven to be the means of passing on traits from one generation to the next. Until 1973 homosexuality was seen by the medical community as a "mental illness." Growth is relatively slow regardless of whether we are talking about science or the Catholic church. Historically, where there have been attempts by the church to define or interpret things scientifically using the bible or church tradition, these have failed. So the church tries to steer clear of this. The way the Catholic church acknowledges and sees no threat in the theory of evolution shows this type of progress. The bible and church don't define science, but science is used by the church to define the way it deals with human issues. I am not convinced the bible addresses homosexuals at all. If did, it would mention the homosexual orientation of children, but it doesn't. When I read the scriptures people claim to be about homosexuals, these scriptures seem to me to be written more about either heterosexual male adults taking advantage of boys or of heterosexual adults being promiscuous with people of their same sex. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:25:57 -0500 From: djp Subject: joni icedancing? I've never seen this. Is it from the Shaodws and Light DVD? Is there a Shadows and Light DVD? Do I have it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_I1MCSggc djp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:32:44 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas Interesting..Ron. I wanted to add that there are two camps (and you know there could be more) ..there are pre-tribs and the post-tribs people (tribulations) ... ..meaning Jesus Christ will either come and meet all righteous people in the air/sky before all hell breaks lose...end of the world ..and the others who think ..no..the righteous will be right down here with the unrighteous...during the complete destruction of the planet. But all agree..fundamentalists...Pentecostals...and others... that Jesus Christ will return sometime during the chaotic mess. (most of the drawn from Revelaion) About Revelation...I think it can get really..really tricky for anyone to try to decipher exactly what St. John meant while on that island. Isn't most of it dream-like? I use to enjoy Hal Lindsay's books and his talks about understanding Revelation. Then I heard a lay Catholic scholar...Dr. Scott Hahn...take on it.....basically..it's the marriage supper of the Lamb....Jesus Christ...Holy Communion... a woman who would crush the head of Satan: The mother of God. Actually...when you looked at the Revelation the way Hahn did...it's elementary. He simplified it... again..it's his interpretation..with the approval of the Church. Interesting stuff for believers and unbelievers alike..I would think.... Bree >the general thinking is that after 6,000 years will come the day of rest - >as in the creation. jesus will come back, grab all the christians - both >alive & dead - cleanse the world with fire, move the non christians >somewhere else (not sure if the move is befor or after the fire?) then >bring the christians back for a 1,000 years of peace & rest. then the final >judgement happens & everyone goes off to wherever they go. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:55:09 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: joni icedancing? Yep. Yep. Yes, it's under the sofa, behind an old TV guide and that missing remote. (Am I good or what?) Bob NP: Wilco, "Hummingbird" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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"It wasn't hard to guess that the end would be a mess". Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:32:00 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas Bree wrote: Then I heard a lay Catholic scholar...Dr. Scott Hahn...take on it.....basically..it's the marriage supper of the Lamb....Jesus Christ...Holy Communion... a woman who would crush the head of Satan: The mother of God. Actually...when you looked at the Revelation the way Hahn did...it's elementary. He simplified it... again..it's his interpretation..with the approval of the Church. Hi Bree, I heard Scott Hahn talk about going to Mass for the first time and sitting in the back not intending to get involved. He was a fairly newly graduated scripture scholar at the time just enrolled in a graduate program at a Catholic university for further study, but he was trained as a Protestant minister and had never been to a Mass before. As the Mass began, he started quietly quoting scriptures to himself, seeing the book of Revelation come to life before his eyes. Yes, he basically says the book of Revelation is the Mass, the Lamb's supper. His is a good explanation of how without an understanding of the Mass, trying to interpret the book of Revelation can get really bizarre. An interpretation like that would be like trying to fly an airplane using a driver's manual... woops wrong vehicle. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:48:46 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Keep those Joni Covers rolling...now volume 3 Hi, dears!!! I'm just some two hundreds of post behind in my reading of the JMDL, but... I must say that I really don't know what I appreciate much: the *real* Joni covers that Bob lovingly compiles and shares with us... or the comments in each new volume that Bob himself writes for our pleasure!!! Keep on, please!!! Well: since Bob has started sharing via yousendit the previous volumes, and I think it's a Wonderful idea, I feel free to help with this: I don't have the "remastered" volume 2, but I can begin with the next in line: volume 3. It's already here: part 1: Joni Covers 3.zip (32 MB) http://download.yousendit.com/82EF3C213EE12016 part 2: Joni Covers 3I.zip (37 MB) http://download.yousendit.com/2422781966A9EA78 (I'm not sure why they aren't bigger files: they're compressed at a bitrate of 160 kBs/s: if you want them in better bitrate, just let me know it; I parted the file in two for easier downloading) What's in there? Well, you can go to http://www.jonimitchell.com/undercover/byvolume.cfm , as usual for knowing it, but they're... 1. Tom Rush  Tin Angel 2. Tom Rush  Urge For Going 3. Tom Rush  The Circle Game (all of them from "The Circle Game", 1968) 4. Natalie Cole  Both Sides Now (from "For Our Children Too!", 1996) 5. David Crosby  Yvette in English (from "Thousand Roads", 1993) 6. The Staton Brothers Band  Night In the City (from "The Stanton Brothers Band", 1972) 7. Neil Diamond  Both Sides Now (from "Love Songs", 1989) 8. Richard Dworski  Woodstock 9. Richard Dworski  The Circle Game (both from "Back To The Garden", 1992) 10. Phil Mattson & The P.M. Singers  Night In The City (from "Setting Standards", 1985) 11. Kate Wolf  Both Sides Now (from "Carry It On", 1996) 12. Amy Grant  Big Yellow Taxi (from "House of Love", 1994) 13. Mary Black  Urge For Going (from "Babes in the Wood", 1991) 14. Frank Sinatra  Both Sides Now (from "Cycles", 1968) Well, as you can see, a couple of favourites (Mary Black and Kate Wolf), the best male singer to cover Joni (Tom Rush), a couple of very delightful instrumentals by Richard Dworski, the Crosby rendition of Yvette, a couple of versions that leave me indifferent (Amy Grant and The Stanton Bros.), one version that, for me, is painful to listen to because of its "modern" treatment (the one by Phil Mattson and...) and a couple of famous names that I can't help but diss profoundly: Natalie Cole (yes her dad was a perfect performer, but she's boring to my ears), Neil Diamond (hey, his free man in Paris is even worst: I can't stand him when he puts himself so dramatic)... and Frank Sinatra: sorry. Anyway, a very enjoyable compilation (please, don't take any care to my judgements!), put together by King Bob around 28 April 2000. In a couple of days, the 4th volume: "The Power of Cheese"... have a Wonderful time! Emiliano PS: I almost forget!!! A Gazillion (European, that's bigger, he he) thanks! to Eric (musicisspecial) for starting that " Perpetual Joni Covers Train" just two years ago... apart from my eternal gratitude to Bob.. for being Bob. NP: Chuir m'Athair Mise Dha'n Taigh Charraideach, by Karen Matheson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:32:15 -0700 From: Subject: Rapture (njc) What I know from Catholicism is that they don't believe in "the rapture" but do believe in some eventual end of the world and final judgment. Catholics also believe that no one can, or should attempt to, predict signs of the "end times." I also knew a few Catholics who became "pentecostal" years ago and they now belong to other religions. They disagreed with Catholicism in great part because Catholics are not taught, or do not believe in, literal interpretation of the scriptures in the Bible. Which made me think of a Catholic-tinged walk into the bar joke ;-) Joni, a parrot and a priest walk into a bar. Bartender says "well if it isn't the pirates of penance." Joni answers "arghhh, matey." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:03:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Rapture (njc) And now all the "end-timers" are worried about the upcoming date of June 6, '06 (666 being the Mark of the Beast/Antichrist). I wonder how many boys born on that day will be named Damien? Bob NP: Joe Henry, "Dead To The World" NPIMH: Blondie "Rapture" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Thanks for the assistance and for the kind words, and not to worry, the Joni covers juggernaut will continue to roll on (Just Like This Train)...I'll get the rest of Volume 2 out over the next couple of weekends, thanks for putting #3 out there - some fine tracks to be sure. You're right about Neil Diamond - Free Man in Paris is the worst, then Both Sides Now, then Chelsea Morning...stinkers all. And we'll soon have a very exciting announcement about a new Joni Tribute CD from our good friends in Denmark... Bob NP: Harry Manx, "Shadow Of The Whip" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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IF it ain't one thing, it's another. > > NPIMH: Blondie "Rapture" ... which is what I always think of when I hear that word! P.S. How come some of these e-mails are addressed both to joni@smoe and to owner.... something. I just deleted that from the copies line in my response, because it's a duplication, n'est-ce pas? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Keep those Joni Covers rolling...now volume 3 - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > There you are Emiliano - I thought you had "gone > missing" as they say down > south. > They say that here too. It's a fairly recent phenomenon speechwise up here in the great white north, I think, and a lot of people object. They write "shocked and appalled" letters to editors about it. I don't understand how someone can *go* missing and yet, apparently, they do, on a regular basis. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: Springsteen again, njc Cassy, What are these? Chimes of Freedom Streets of Philadelphia My Hometown Before the Fame I don't have them, but I have the MTV on VHS. Is "The Streets of Philadelphia" a soundtrack? Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:44:30 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Springsteen again, njc The record in question is Before the Fame, a two-CD collection of very early Springsteen recordings put together by Jim Cretecos and his Pony Express Records. The recordings were made while Springsteen was under the control of Cretecos and former manager Mike Appel, a business relationship that Springsteen spent three years in court during the late seventies attempting to sever. In the nineties, Springsteen has battled against the release of these recordings, and yet they remain easily available ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:15:10 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc rapture The rapture is a belief of a small minority of Christendom that is not based on Scripture but drawn from inferences of Scripture (which is an acceptable way to theologize) which pertain to their particular eschatological views. Mainstream Christian thinking (which is not always right) has never accepted the premillenialist views of those who include Rapture in their thinking. Christianity is not matter of agreed opinions. I personally think that the teachings on Rapture by those who espouse it are wholly incorrect. However, that is not a matter of faith or division, at least by that part of Christendom where I stand. The idea that Scriptures are "inerrant" in the fundamentalist use of those words is likewise a small minority view in Christendom. It is a concept that arose in the 1920s. It is not traditional nor accepted Christian teaching. I personally believe that mindset is intellectually bankrupt, let alone theologically corrupt. However, that is not a matter of faith or division, at least by that part of Christendom where I stand. Probably half my family holds that viewpoint and while I personally think they are wholly wrong, Christianity is not a matter of agreement of opinions and it is a matter of division only if one wants it to be. People switch church bodies (and faith traditions) for many reasons. Many are the ways to understand God, or at any rate, that which lies beyond our own existence by whatever we term it, and I thank God as I am given to understand God that there are many ways, not one way. Christianity must confess its own sins. There has been much wrong done in the name of the Church. That is the personal starting point of my own theology. There is no faith tradition, or non faith tradition, that is without sin, that has not done wrong, that has not committed evil, including my own. That may negate faith; it also negates lack of faith. The depth of faith is not that "my way is better than yours" or "my way is the perfect way" or "my way is the complete way" or "my way is the only rational way" whether that belief system is in a faith tradition or that belief system is in the rejection of faith traditions. We are sinful people in a sinful world. That statement alone will upset some, but there is no reflection on human history that I can accept that holds that we are not sinful. Human violence against one another alone negates, to me, any other understanding other than that humans are sinful. That is not judgment. That is not damnation. That is reality. It is a given as I see all things that humans have done. We have been called to a higher way, a better way. Regardless of what belief system we have - one that is theist in that it accepts religion, spirituality, a faith tradition - or one that is a-theist (not a term of judgment, just a description) - we have been called to a better way than what we currently experience of human life. And maybe not our experience, but the experience people of Dafur at this moment at least. I know what I term God through Jesus Christ. I believe in God as expressed through the faith of the Christian Church. That is an affirmation of my belief. It is not a rejection of any other belief. I can affirm my faith without denying the beliefs of others. I am the most evangelical of Christians, as that term is used in the Gospels, and that is not a denial of what others affirm as their belief system. God - or that which lays beyond ourselves - is experienced and known by us all in the ways that are real for us. I will argue - as you well know - when someone says, "this is what Christians believe" and the "this" is a particular interpretation that we are free to differ on. I will never argue that the way that I know God is the only way, or the right way, or the preferred way. I often find more kinship with those who not believe in God/a god because we are almost always looking at the same experiences and regretting what has been done in the name of God. And to quote Queen Elizabeth I - something done too seldom - we do not have windows to peer (pry) into the souls of others. A person who does not accept a faith system in the integrity of their lives is my kin much more than those who espouse a faith or belief system that they would make binding on others. I have said too much. I haven't said enough. (theRev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:08:12 -0400 From: "Steve Lytle" Subject: Joni's BBC concert with James Taylor Hello, I have heard bits and pieces of the live BBC concert on XM Radio (folk channel). Seems like I get in the car, its on, I get to where I am going and miss the rest of it. It was originally broadcast in 1970 I think. I wonder if anyone has this recording or knows where I can buy it? I have looked on Amazon, etc. Any help is appreciated. I would like to have this music. Steve Lytle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:23:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas >I know times have changed, but I don't remember there being so many kids bouncing off the walls when I was growing up. (Do you?) And there has to be a reason for it. So, what's the reason? And what can we do differently to get things back to "calm?" Or am I just imagining this is a problem, and it's really not? Lori< Kids are supposed to be bouncy IMO! Like tigger! I think as we age our perspective changes (youth have more energy & tolerate that in others but as we age some people can be less tolerant of kid cacophony.). having raised one myself, & taught kids I think there are all kinds of kids just like there always have been. what has changed over time is the kind of diet people in this country partake in. there are so many preservatives & other crap including sugar in so many foods that gets amplified in little bodies. as any parent hosting a b'day party knows, it is important to schedule the cake & icecream at the very end just before pick up time so the parents get to deal with the melt downs not the host!. lol. also, if kids aren't getting the attention they need at home (parents working lots, stressful parents, tired parents, single parents, etc) then they are more apt to act out in other ways to get attention. I do think that it is a more stressful & harsher world in many ways & kids are often reflective of that reality sort of like the canary in the coal mine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 04:13:07 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc, Just a song before I go to sleep "Just a song before I go...." (from Graham Nash, who loved Joni like no other, imo....) My two cents ce soir: "Let us be wary of mass solutions, let us be wary of statistics. We must love our neighbors as ourselves.....There is perhaps no surer road to peace than the one that starts from little islands and oases of genuine kindness, islands and oases constantly growing in number and being continually joined together until eventually they ring the world." - --- Father Dominique Pire, 1958 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize "I do believe it, I do believe it's true..." (S & G) Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:31:41 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: joni icedancing? My god, you're right! Those old Cheetos were still pretty tasty, too! djp At 01:55 PM 5/11/2006, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > >Yep. > > > >Yep. > > > >Yes, it's under the sofa, behind an old TV guide and that missing remote. >(Am I good or what?) > >Bob > >NP: Wilco, "Hummingbird" > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. 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