From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #183 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 183 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Nazareth in Haifa [Mark-Leon Thorne ] now 3 choices njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - ["Paul Castle" ] Re: now 3 choices njc [Em ] Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast ["Cassy" ] Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast [RoseMJoy@aol.c] Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast [Bob.Muller@Flu] Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast [RoseMJoy@aol.c] Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast [Bob.Muller@Flu] NJC Five arguments against Gay Marriage [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast [RoseMJoy@aol.c] Volume 2 Covers [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] RE: Volume 2 Covers ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["Lori Fye" ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Volume 2 Covers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas [Catherine McKay ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas [Catherine McKay ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas [Catherine McKay ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas -- Paging Kay Ashley [Smurf ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas -- Paging Kay Ashley [Smurf ] Amazing Childhood catalogue [Kate ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas -- Paging Kay Ashley ["Lori Fye" ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["Lori Fye" ] Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas ["gene" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:22:20 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Nazareth in Haifa Nice review, Nuri. That must have been fun for you. By the way. Are you from Haifa? My ex-partner was from there. Actually, he was from Kiriat-Yam. Do you know it? Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:24:48 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: now 3 choices njc Jimi Hendrix Django Reinhardt Allman Bros w/Duane > From: Bree Mcdonough bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com > Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:49:13 -0400 > Curious..Bob...and anyone else ...who would you like most to see in > concert > that has past on from this life? Someone you never had a chance to > see..or maybe you weren't even born yet when this person was in their hay- > day. A friend and I were having fun with this..you can name three...my > choices... > > Janis Joplin > > Laura Nyro > > Freddie Mercury > > > Bree > > >>Bob >> >>NP: Tom Waits, "Jitterbug Boy" >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------- >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person >>or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >>business-confidential and/or privileged material. >>If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >>are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >>dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >>in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>material from any computer. 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Nuriel wrote: > I'd love to know more about the relationship between > them [Fairport Convention] and Joni, if there were any. Bob wrote: > In August of 1967, producer Joe Boyd & Joni went > to England and she played a couple of shows (one > of which is the Couriers Folk Club appearance in > Leicester which we are lucky to have recordings > from) and also shopped around tapes of her songs > to English folk musicians. Found this in Barney Hoskyns' article, "Queen Joni Approximately" @ http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/0401_hoskyns_joni.html > "I met Joni at the 1967 Newport Folk Festival," > says Joe Boyd, the American producer of the > Fairports and the Incredible String Band. "And > then she came to London later that summer, in > August. I introduced her to David Platz at Essex > Music, because she needed somebody to collect > her publishing. She didn't have a record deal, but > she had money coming in from George Hamilton IV. > [her first official cover, 'Urge For Going', a top ten > country hit in January 1967]. So she came to > England, and I got her a gig at the Speakeasy, > opening for the String Band." > Both in America and in England, people sat up > and noticed the blonde with the piercing prairie > soprano, the idiosyncratic guitar tunings, and > the introspective, wise-beyond-her-years lyrics. I've also just got hold of a copy of Joe Boyd's brand new autobiography, "White Bicycles". Unfortunately I can't find any direct references to Joni and Fairport, although I know that they did appear together at The Royal Festival Hall with several other artists - including Jackson C Frank, Al Stewart (interesting sync, Bob) and The Johnstons (with Paul Brady) in a concert called 'The Festival Of Contemporary Song' on Sept 28, 1968. "White Bicycles" only contains a couple of Joni references. When talking about The Incredible String Band's album "The 5000 Spririts Or The Layers Of The Onion", Boyd writes: > I sent a copy to the Newport Folk Festival committee, > who immediately invited them to the 1967 New Folks > concert along with Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen. > The Americans regarded them with amazement. Joni > was particularly impressed: the four of us sat under a > a tree one evening while they swapped songs. She > had yet to make her first record, but I felt I was in the > presence of three timeless talents. He also writes: > My trip to the USA with the Incredible String Band for > the '67 Newport Folk Festival in early August led to a > visit from Joni Mitchell. I promised to introduce her to > music publishers who could collect her songwriting > royalties on George Hamilton IV's recording of > "The Circle Game". Her first night at the flat was > brought to a spectacular end by the Flying Squad > breaking down the door at 6am. They had a search > warrant for 'seditious literature, guns and amunition'. > Tod had come to the attention of the police by > providing bail for Malcolm X when the Black Power > leader was arrested for incitement to riot. His > photograph leaving the court with Michael appeared > in the Daily Telegraph and his name must have gone > into a few notebooks. We had to stand in the hallway > in dressing gowns while they took the flat apart. They > opted not to plant any drugs or bombs, but it was > certainly an exciting welcome to London for Joni. very best to all PaulC http://www.pdcmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:29:09 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast Thanks Ron, some of our UK Bruce peeps were there and got in for the recording. They were so excited and were a yard away from the stage! I am so pleased for them and I'm loving the reports we're getting. This was actually recorded yesterday at some old church? rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:47:27 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: now 3 choices njc >Django Reinhardt My late uncle turned me on to him. Awesome...and lively! Bree > >>From: Bree Mcdonough bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com >>Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:49:13 -0400 > >>Curious..Bob...and anyone else ...who would you like most to see in >>concert >>that has past on from this life? Someone you never had a chance to >>see..or maybe you weren't even born yet when this person was in their hay- >>day. A friend and I were having fun with this..you can name three...my >>choices... >> >>Janis Joplin >> >>Laura Nyro >> >>Freddie Mercury >> >> >>Bree >> >> >>>Bob >>> >>>NP: Tom Waits, "Jitterbug Boy" >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-------------------------- >>>The information transmitted is intended only for the person >>>or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >>>business-confidential and/or privileged material. >>>If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >>>are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >>>dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >>>in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >>>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>>material from any computer. 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A friend and I were having fun with this..you can name > three...my > > choices... > > > > Janis Joplin > > > > Laura Nyro > > > > Freddie Mercury > > > > > > Bree > > > > > >>Bob > >> > >>NP: Tom Waits, "Jitterbug Boy" > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------- > >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person > >>or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > >>business-confidential and/or privileged material. > >>If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > >>are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > >>dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > >>in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > >>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > >>material from any computer. 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Eastern. http://www.cmt.com/shows/dyn/bruce_springsteen_the_seeger_sessions/series.jhtml?cid=21&sid=20064&eid=1&did=05/10/06+11%3A00%3A00&cid=21&sid=20695&eid=1&did=05/10/06+15%3A00%3A00 Warmly, Cassy NP: Mandolin Rain - (The other Bruce) Bruce Hornsby From: "ron" > coming up on saturday: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/soldonsong/whatson/springsteen_competition.shtml > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: now 3 choices njc Billie Holiday Judy Garland Edith Piaf Em wrote: > Woody Guthrie > Buddy Holly > Janis Joplin > > --- Randy Remote wrote: > >> Jimi Hendrix >> Django Reinhardt >> Allman Bros w/Duane >> >> > From: Bree Mcdonough bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com >> > Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:49:13 -0400 >> >> > Curious..Bob...and anyone else ...who would you like most to see >> in >> > concert >> > that has past on from this life? Someone you never had a chance >> to >> > see..or maybe you weren't even born yet when this person was in >> their hay- >> > day. A friend and I were having fun with this..you can name >> three...my >> > choices... >> > >> > Janis Joplin >> > >> > Laura Nyro >> > >> > Freddie Mercury >> > >> > >> > Bree >> > >> > >> >>Bob >> >> >> >>NP: Tom Waits, "Jitterbug Boy" >> >> >> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -------------------------- >> >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> >>or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> >>business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> >>If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >> >>are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >> >>dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >> >>in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Basically it is what is on the DVD side of his dual disc plus some extra coverage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:03:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast I enjoyed the video portion of the DVD - a very honest filming of some cool people making music. It did look to me like Patti Scialfa was forcing things a bit, making it look like she was really into it. She didn't seem sincere to me - not like everyone else. I was watching it and thinking how cool it must be to be hanging out with Bruce and playing and singing. As for the bonus audio tracks on the DVD, they were real stinkers. "Buffalo Gals" was OK but ultimately forgettable. "How Can I Keep From Singing" was just awful and darn near bordering on unlistenable, sounded like a singalong gone horribly wrong. No wonder these two tracks were relegated to 'bonus track' status. 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I still have those shot glasses:~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:56:07 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast Luckily there is not a lot of audible evidence of her on the CD - thank goodness. That wobbly-warble of hers sends me over the edge. Bob NP: Donald Fagen, "Brite Nitegown" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Of the songs in Part 2 - I really enjoyed Wynonna's Help Me (I had heard that one from the JM tribute) and two others that I had not heard before - Barbara Streisand's cover of "I don't know where I stand" and Betty Buckley's version of "I had a King". I have never heard anyone cover either of those songs before. I expected that Barbara Steisand's version would be very good and it was - she and Katie Lang have to have two of the prettiest voices I have ever heard. But I had never heard of Betty Buckley before so I looked her up on the internet and I see she is an actress and a Tony Award winner. Does anyone else cover "I had a king"? 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JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:41:11 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas *Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas It would revolutionize America. It would make us all better humans. But could you handle it?* By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, May 10, 2006 From http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/05/10/notes0510 06.DTL, this: "*N*o wait, not six. To hell with that. Make it 10. Ten bucks a gallon, no matter what the going rate for a barrel of light sweet crude. That would so completely, violently, brilliantly do it. Revolutionize the country. Firebomb our pungent stasis. Change everything. Don't you agree?" "Look, I adore cars. I adore driving and I cherish open roads and smooth horsepower and a musical exhaust note and I fully believe most German automotive engineers should be sent gifts of candy and Peet's coffee and porn. I would, like most everyone else, be absolutely loathe to give much of it up. "But you know what? Big freaking deal. I could learn to live without so much. I like to think I would be able to step back and see the bigger picture, realize what is and isn't absolutely essential, what does and does not absolutely define my identity and my life, modify accordingly and laugh/shrug/sigh it off in the process. In other words, I could make it work. And so could you." __________________________________________________________________ I've been saying $10 a gallon for more than a year. I would love to see it happen. Disagree if you will (I expect that from most), but the things that Morford describes as a result of $10 a gallon gas could be GOOD things. Afterall, without a healthy planet, all other discussions are moot. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:29:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas An interesting point...I'm not sure what price/gallon gas will have to reach before people change their consumption habits. Different responses for different layers of the social strata, I would imagine. A bigger-than-ever percentage of the population is buying their gas on credit and going deeper and deeper in debt anyway. (And the only thing worse than $6/gallon gas is $6/gallon gas bought on a credit card with an 18-24% APR). The price really doesn't matter to these people anyway...it just becomes more debt. The savings rate in America was a negative number in '05, the first time that's happened since the depression. What surprises me is that not only do people not want to give up their gas-guzzlers, they don't even want to drive in a way that would give them better fuel mileage. I see folks everyday screaming down the road, just to beat me to the next red light. Then again, if people are driving less (like me), how do you know it since they're not driving? Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Let It Be Me" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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And if you do check out "I Had A King", you'll see that it's been covered 9 times (to the best of my researching ability), by such folks as Adrienne Barbeau (from Maude), Gail Martin (Dean's daughter), and Turid (Swedish language version). Buckley's recording is really beautiful...she does an excellent River as well. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Reason To Believe" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Whenever you talk about the price per gallon, I get mixed up. We use litres here and even when we used gallons, we used the imperial gallon, which is not the same as the US gallon. How did that happen? I dunno. In any case, how does $6 US per US gallon translate into litres? Gas here is (I think, because I no longer have a car and don't pay that much attention) somewhere around $1.00 a litre (give or take ten cents). That's Canadian dollars, but the loonie is now worth 91 cents US and rising. When I was in France in the summer, diesel was about 1 euro a litre. At that time, the Euro was about $1.50 Canadian. I think there are about 4 litres in a gallon (but is that a US or an Imperial gallon?) In any case, that would mean in Europe, in the summer, they were already paying $6.00 a gallon, if I've figured this out right. Why has Europe been paying more all along? What about the rest of the world? You don't see a lot of SUVs in Europe. You see a lot of small cars. They cope. They deal with it. I don't know about the US, but it appears that people here in Canada are now less inclined to go for the big ugly SUVs. Dealers and car companies are offering 20c a litre off gas for the first year you buy a car. But you still see a lot of unnecessarily big, ugly SUVs, including the ugliest of them all - the Hummer. Why someone living in a city *needs* a hummer is beyond me. But there are those people that like to cry, "Hey! Look at me! I'm rich! I'm cool! I drive a big ugly vehicle!" Fossil fuels are dead. Bring on the alternate fuel sources. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc- bruce springsteen - seeger sessions live webcast - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I agree Bob, I don't care for her too much. She's a > big show off. One night > I met her at the Pony and she seemed like a bit of a > snob to me. Not very > friendly. She sat there most of the night talking to > Sean Penn who they had > brought with them and poor Bruce was just sitting at > the bar with no one to talk > to and he looked a bit uncomfortable to me. That was > the night he bought Jim > and I shots of tequila. I still have those shot > glasses:~) > 1.) Why would Bruce want her when he could have you?? 2.) He was sitting with no one to talk to??? Why didn't you get your @ss over there and chat him up? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:46:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas 1 Gallon = 3.78 Liters, so $6/Gallon translates to $1.58/Liter. I agree with you about the Hummers - a joke gone terribly wrong. The auto makers have done a wonderful job of creating a "my vehicle is bigger than yours" mentality, and it hasn't hurt that our government created tax breaks for buying the guzzlers. And on another note, I agree with Joni that all that oil is down in the earth for a reason - what's going to happen when we suck the last drop of it out? Bob NP: Ani, "God's Country" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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How about instead of letting high cost drive down use, we ration fuel, and keep the price down. So the poor people aren't the victims. I guess that wouldn't tickle certain people. It would tickle the sh_t out of me. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:58:31 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas Original Message: - ----------------- From: Catherine McKay anima_rising@yahoo.ca Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:13:29 -0400 (EDT) To: lrfye58@gmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas >Why has Europe been paying more all along? It's not so much that they've been paying 'more', as it is that we in the US have been paying MUCH less, because of the fact that gas prices have been kept artificially low to 1) keep us hooked, and 2) to marginalize ideas about alternative fuels. Of course, with rising gas proces, that's (finally, Thank God) starting to change. JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:10:46 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas Selling America on all those SUV's was a move of sheer genius on the part of the automakers. They are quickly becoming obsolete-unaffordable, and will have to be replaced by fuel efficient vehicles. Average miles per gallon for American cars has not improved in 20 years-this is shameful. Gas is over $3.50/gal in my town now (N. Cal). Unfortunately, $10/gal gas will mostly hurt the poor, esp working poor, and fill the coffers of the oil companies even more. Hummers? I call them Dummers. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:20:43 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas hi catherine asked > What is an American gallon in litres? bob & moni replied that its around 3.8 liters, and a "real" gallon is around 4.5 litres i didnt know the us gallon was smaller since i really thought everything was bigger there - oh wait - its only an illusion - i get it now..... :-) we pay six rand a litre, which translates to around 95 us cents & $3.60 per us gallon the big 4x4's (our term for suv's) are very popular & quite a status symbol - also the object of much scorn & ridicule since most people who have them only use the 4 wheel drive to get over the kerbs to park at the malls. still - i cant poke too much fun at them since my tiny little car uses about as much fuel & can carry about two and a half people if they have no baggage.... living without a car (or motorbike) here is just not an option. everything is so spread out, & public transport is a dangerous joke ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:51:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - --- ron wrote: > hi > > catherine asked > > What is an American gallon in litres? > > bob & moni replied that its around 3.8 > liters, > > > and a "real" gallon is around 4.5 litres All I remember is that, when I was a kid and my family went to Maine for summer vacation, the US gallon of milk was equal to about three of our quarts. Since that time, Canada went metric, for which I am truly grateful. No more trying to convert inches to feet to yards to miles, or cups to pints to quarts to gallons or - worse - US gallons! > i didnt know the us gallon was smaller since i > really thought everything was > bigger there - oh wait - its only an illusion - i > get it now..... :-) > > we pay six rand a litre, which translates to around > 95 us cents & $3.60 per > us gallon It sounds like you pay about the same as we do in Canada (the last time I bothered to check - it can go up and down by 20c or more within the same day - what a scam!) > the big 4x4's (our term for suv's) are very popular > & quite a status > symbol - also the object of much scorn & ridicule > since most people who have > them only use the 4 wheel drive to get over the > kerbs to park at the malls. Yup. They appeal to the same kind of people the world over. > still - i cant poke too much fun at them since my > tiny little car uses about > as much fuel & can carry about two and a half people > if they have no > baggage.... > > living without a car (or motorbike) here is just not > an option. everything > is so spread out, & public transport is a dangerous > joke > Our public transit is very good, but I'm going to be moving downtown anyway, so we'll all be able to walk to work/school and so on. I may get a bike, but who wants to ride a bike with all the crazy drivers around? We're lucky that we have lots of trees and parks. I'm not sure how it's going to be with so many damn people around, but I'll probably be able to go home for lunch. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:54:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > And on another note, I agree with Joni that all that > oil is down in the > earth for a reason - what's going to happen when we > suck the last drop of > it out? > If you suck the juice out of something, it caves in, doesn't it? I think of the earth as one big organism. How many millions of years did it take to create oil? I agree that it has to be there for a reason. We are doomed, I tellya! DOOMED! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:57 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas >> And on another note, I agree with Joni that all that >> oil is down in the earth for a reason - what's going to >> happen when we suck the last drop of it out? > If you suck the juice out of something, it caves in, > doesn't it? I think of the earth as one big organism. > How many millions of years did it take to create oil? > I agree that it has to be there for a reason. > > We are doomed, I tellya! DOOMED! I've always envisioned the earth, after the last of the oil is sucked out, just kind of drying up and falling apart ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas - --- Em wrote: > here's an idea. How about instead of letting high > cost drive down use, > we ration fuel, and keep the price down. So the poor > people aren't the > victims. > I guess that wouldn't tickle certain people. It > would tickle the sh_t > out of me. > Em I like your idea better. Ration it. Remember rationing? Here's another thing to worry about. Food and the relative cheapness of it in the US and Canada compared to Europe. Food costs twice as much in Europe. Food is cheaper here because of mega-farms. We can buy cheap food because we treat animals as if they were objects and not living creatures. We feed them garbage and make them breed and grow too quickly. We pump them full of hormones and antibiotics and feed them food that is not natural to them. We turn chickens into cannibals. We breed chickens with bigger breasts because more people like the white meat. We spray insecticide on our crops. We are spoiled rotten. We think our food should be cheap and a lot of people can't afford organic. Food costs more in Europe, but it tastes better, and they don't eat as much as we do. And they're not as fat as we are. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:27:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas Well, we can't suck all of it out anyway, most of it is just too darn hard to get. But I do think we'll get enough to cause some Tectonic plate shifting...like they say in the Meskin restaurants "Be careful the plate is hot..." And it won't mean anything to the Earth, which has been around for hundreds & hundreds of millions of years*. Might not be too groovy for people however. Bob NP: Ani, "Diner" *Unless you believe the bible in which case the earth has been around for 6,000 years and the rapture is coming soon anyway so why bother? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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DOOMED! >> Oh, great. Thanks for that, you little ray of sunshine, you. Now I'm really wearing what Mike "The Streets" Skinner calls a "proper sorry frown." :-( --Smurf, glad anyway that the world is ending *after* my pretty years . . . . - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas -- Paging Kay Ashley Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: << Well, we can't suck all of it out anyway, most of it is just too darn hard to get. But I do think we'll get enough to cause some Tectonic plate shifting... >> MOM!!! They're scaring me!!! Please, Kay, put on your geologist's hard hat and tell me this isn't so. --Smurf, now with a bigger frown . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:02:30 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas -- Paging Kay Ashley << Well, we can't suck all of it out anyway, most of it is just too darn hard to get. But I do think we'll get enough to cause some Tectonic plate shifting... >> > MOM!!! They're scaring me!!! > > Please, Kay, put on your geologist's hard hat and tell me this isn't so. Smurf, what are YOU worried about? You're in Massachusetts! I'm 20 miles north of San Francisco!! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Re: Walks into a bar (NJC) A priest, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar. The bartender says "What is this, a joke?" - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas -- Paging Kay Ashley I'm worried for YOU, Lori, and all of humanity -- or at least the humane ones. XO, --Bob Lori Fye wrote: << Well, we can't suck all of it out anyway, most of it is just too darn hard to get. But I do think we'll get enough to cause some Tectonic plate shifting... >> > MOM!!! They're scaring me!!! > > Please, Kay, put on your geologist's hard hat and tell me this isn't so. Smurf, what are YOU worried about? You're in Massachusetts! I'm 20 miles north of San Francisco!! ; ) Lori - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:47:09 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas > Food costs more in Europe, but it tastes better, and > they don't eat as much as we do. And they're not as > fat as we are. And are European kids as screwed up as American (and presumably Canadian) kids, with all the ADD, etc.? My partner and I think U.S. kids are screwed up because of all the chemicals in our food (exacerbated, of course, by 50 million TV channels, all those video games, too many school subjects and not enough play time, lack of parental involvement, and so on). Comments? Lori, who (thankfully) has only cats to worry about -- and nieces and nephews, but they're an "indirect" worry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:25:06 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Amazing Childhood catalogue Richard: > Is there a catalogue for the Amazing Childhood exhibition. I want such a > thing if it exists. Sorry, I did not see anything like this when I was there. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:21:51 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas -- Paging Kay Ashley > I'm worried for YOU, Lori, and all of humanity -- or at least the humane ones. Thanks, honey. : ) It's a funny thing, but in the 5 1/2 months I've lived in Northern California, I don't think I've felt a single tremor. The only earthquakes I've ever felt were in San Antonio TX, and in Bethesda MD. Go figure. But I have a plan, just in case: If I'm in a building, I'll do the "duck, cover, and hold" thing that's recommended by everyone. If I'm riding around on my motorcycle, I'll RIDE VERY FAST!!! Particularly if I'm on a bridge!! Lori, who, incidentally, passed Wavy Gravy yesterday on the 580 (freeway) (http://www.wavygravy.net/) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:50:20 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas > Well, we can't suck all of it out anyway, most of it is just too darn hard > to get. But we'll kill the earth and ourselves trying, you can bet on it. > But I do think we'll get enough to cause some Tectonic plate > shifting...like they say in the Meskin restaurants "Be careful the plate > is hot..." LOL (tempered with a healthy respect) ... > *Unless you believe the bible in which case the earth has been around for > 6,000 years and the rapture is coming soon anyway so why bother? That's the Far Christian Right's answer to why we should drill in ANWR and shouldn't bother to recycle. "God gave us this earth to use up." Ugh. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:05:44 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas as much as i love the "freedom of the road", i have to agree with you. the only thing that will break our dependence on foreign oil is raising the cost of the fuel. of course, we'll have a myriad of problems; such as, as gas theft, increase in road rage, a few riots here and there, real estate prices dropping in the rural areas, unemployed truck drivers. basically our whole system is petro reliant poised to become chaos. consequently the stock market will drop and a deep recession will happen. but that's a small price to pay for saving the earth--------eventhough, by year 2050 we will be experienceing some dramatic climate changes. dimming of the sun will lessen so the earth will increase it's rate of global warming. sea levels will rise, our ocean currents will change to who knows what, and increase radiation from the sun will affect all. worse of all, i'll have to go higher and later in the season to ski. $10 a gallon gas? why not. myself? i believe we're headed for more war. gene "under capitalism, man exploits man. under communism it's just the opposite." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: (NJC) Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas > *Bring On The $6 Gallon Of Gas > It would revolutionize America. It would make > us all better humans. But could you handle it?* > By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist > Wednesday, May 10, 2006 > > From > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/05/10/notes0510 > 06.DTL, > this: > > "*N*o wait, not six. To hell with that. Make it 10. Ten bucks a gallon, no > matter what the going rate for a barrel of light sweet crude. That would > so > completely, violently, brilliantly do it. Revolutionize the country. > Firebomb our pungent stasis. Change everything. Don't you agree?" > > > > "Look, I adore cars. I adore driving and I cherish open roads and smooth > horsepower and a musical exhaust note and I fully believe most German > automotive engineers should be sent gifts of candy and Peet's coffee and > porn. I would, like most everyone else, be absolutely loathe to give much > of > it up. > > "But you know what? Big freaking deal. I could learn to live without so > much. I like to think I would be able to step back and see the bigger > picture, realize what is and isn't absolutely essential, what does and > does > not absolutely define my identity and my life, modify accordingly and > laugh/shrug/sigh it off in the process. In other words, I could make it > work. And so could you." > __________________________________________________________________ > > > I've been saying $10 a gallon for more than a year. I would love to see > it > happen. Disagree if you will (I expect that from most), but the things > that > Morford describes as a result of $10 a gallon gas could be GOOD things. > > Afterall, without a healthy planet, all other discussions are moot. > > Lori > > !DSPAM:144,44623048119277716275653! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #183 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------