From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #177 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 6 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 177 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- How Would A Patriot Act? (political content PC - NJC) ["Marian Russell" <] njc life sentence for Moussaoui ["Laurent Olszer" ] NJC Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: njc - Thanks -Political [Duarte Moniz ] RE: the fun thing about ipods njc ["Azeem" ] Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Leonard Cohen Cover Story [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui NJC and Bjork [Catherine McKa] Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui (PC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: NJC Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui NJC and Bjork ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Black NJC now Murderball ["J.DAVID SAPP" ] Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC [Em ] Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Myrtle [Smurf ] Re: Black NJC now Murderball ["J.DAVID SAPP" ] njc Goodbye All [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: Myrtle [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Myrtle [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc Goodbye All [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Myrtle -- njc [Smurf ] Re: Black NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: njc Goodbye All ["Azeem" ] Re: njc Goodbye All [Catherine McKay ] Re: Myrtle [Catherine McKay ] Amelia NJC [Em ] Re: Myrtle NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Myrtle NJC [Smurf ] Covers Vol 76 [Rebecca Blundell ] Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC ["Mark Scott" Subject: How Would A Patriot Act? (political content PC - NJC) Have been reading Glenn Greenwald's blog in the last months. His book 'How Would A Patriot Act?' will be published on 15 May. I would urge anyone concerned about the state of the union to at least have a look at the book website here: http://www.workingassetspublishing.com/ and if you have time, try to read some of his postings at his blog, Unclaimed Territory, here: http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/ I find his writings very clear and convincing and, in my opinion, they would be of interest to persons of both liberal and conservative persuasions. He encourages dialog from everyone, even (and maybe even especially) from people who hold views different from his own. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:31:47 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: njc life sentence for Moussaoui boy!, this is sure a compassionate crowd. myself, it's money and manpower wasted to keep him alive. what's scary is that there are probably thousands like him out there. given the opportunity and means they would do harm to us. he is really a small fish. i don't know, kill/murder him, send him back the middle east. i just know keeping him in prison doesn't help anybody. Gene I believe the lawyer for Moussaoui's mother is asking the french government to request extradition, in the hopes that his "cruel" sentence can be reduced over here! Another show of the French government abiding to internal pressure IMO. However the U.S. can decline it if the crime was political, so I guess they'll try to demonstrate that no crime was actually committed and that if it was, then the motives weren't political. I don't think they expect the U.S. to agree though. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:48:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui NJC I was watching CNN last night and they were saying that he's already been assigned to the "Supermax" prison in Colorado, where he'll be totally isolated in mega-security solitary confinement. The same locale as Ted 'Unabomber' Kazinsky, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, etc. And to make it worse they pipe Bjork into the cells non-stop. I made that last part up. Bob NP: Mark-Almond, "The City" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Remember that Hitler was destroying and killing all of Europe and the USA government said: "It is nothing with us"... until Pearl Harbor. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:17:22 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: the fun thing about ipods njc Ron wrote: << sitting in the office, talking to my boss & some coworkers, the ipod playing away on random. suddenly i become aware of the looks of shock, horror, surprise & confusion slowly growing on their faces. diamanda galas is definitely not everyones cup of tea :-) >> Hahaha!! I know whatcha mean Ron. I've had a Diamanda Galas album for ages, but I've only played it once, not because it's not good but because I'm afraid the neighbours will call the police to report a murder next door. And now we have a baby, of course, this would amount to child cruelty... Azeem in London NP: Jill Sobule's TOTALLY WONDERFUL fifth album Underdog Victorious, downloaded legally and for peanuts from emusic.com. Any other fans of Jill here? She just keeps getting better and better: Terrific lyrics, glorious melodies and unexpected chord progressions, beautifully sung. - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 04/05/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:24:01 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui Compassion, pragmatism, whatever. How can I say, it is simply fact that it costs far more to execute someone than to have the person serve a life sentence. For cost savings to the taxpayer, life sentences are the way to go. The cost of the appeals process as required in capital cases far outweighs the cost of imprisonment. The second factor on a cost analysis basis is the future cost of creating a martyr and everything that follows from that. I am against the death penalty in any case, but this guy has, to say the least, issues. He believes Bush is going to pardon him. I don't think we should be about the business of executing someone that far removed from reality. Society has its protection; he cannot cause futher harm alive. He can cause much further harm dead. The only reason to execute him is a desire for vengence and that is not a good long term strategy for the defense of our country and its people. (theRev) Vince - -------------- Original message -------------- > boy!, this is sure a compassionate crowd. myself, it's money and manpower > wasted to keep him alive. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:37:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Leonard Cohen Cover Story http://www.coverville.com/ The latest podcast (and you don't need an ipod to listen & enjoy) is all about Leonard. Thought it might be worth a mention here as there is a strong Leonard connection to Joni. And not a coincidence that so many of the artists in the playlist have Joni ties: Peter Gabriel: Duet with Joni (My Secret Place) Allison Crowe: Has recorded River & A Case of You kd lang: Has recorded Jericho & A Case of You, was part of the TNT tribute singing Help Me Jennifer Warnes: Recorded Chelsea Morning Coverville shows are always great. Bob NP: Mich Gerber, "Haboob" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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As far as extradition is concerned, maybe the US made a good move in not sentencing him to death. If someone is put in jail in Canada and another country wants to extradite him for crimes he committed in that country, we won't allow extradition if we know he will be executed in the other country. Is Moussaoui a French citizen? Then maybe there would be some reason for extradition. But, if he wasn't sentenced to death, then I can't see why extradition would be allowed and I think the French would be better off leaving him in the US. Of course, the taxpayers of the US will object to their tax dollars paying his stay in prison. I can't see why France would want him. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:53:02 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc life sentence for Moussaoui (PC) Hi Marianne: I've had a gut feeling for a long time about this one that I couldn't shake and I just felt that we should follow world protocol and not execute Moussaoui no matter what. I just have this very, very strong feeling that this is what we should done. I agree with you that life imprisonment seems far worse. The sentencing judge told Moussaoui that he will die with a whimper. Sherelle Marianne wrote: life sentence for Moussaoui: Yes, I was happy with this. . and I too am opposed to the death penalty. . life inprisonment seems far worse than death to me. . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:55:25 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: life sentence for Moussaoui NJC Is Moussaoui a French citizen? Then maybe there would be some reason for extradition. But, if he wasn't sentenced to death, then I can't see why extradition would be allowed and I think the French would be better off leaving him in the US. Of course, the taxpayers of the US will object to their tax dollars paying his stay in prison. I can't see why France would want him. Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Hi Catherine Yes he's a french citizen. I'm not saying that France wants him, his mother wants him here and maybe our government will want to make the French muslims happy by pretending to request extradition. Actually who cares? Laurent Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:29:54 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story > Jennifer Warnes: Recorded Chelsea Morning Her Famous Blue Raincoat is one of my Top Ten cd's. Though the album that Chelsea Morning come from, her first, is plain awful. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:53:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC It's not one of my desert island discs, but it is truly a great album. "First We Take Manhattan" is my favorite track but I like them all. And unlike some tributes, this is one that was BEGGING to be made as Leonard himself can't sing his way out of a paper sack. He is on my list of "great songwriters who should shut up and let others sing their songs" list, which also includes: Paul Williams Burt Bacharach (thankfully, he agrees for the most part) Kris Kristofferson Bob NP: OK Go, "A Million Ways" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:38:20 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC hi lots of info on the new movie & links to the trailer here: http://www.leonardcohenimyourman.com/ looks pretty good!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:10:34 -0500 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: Re: Black NJC now Murderball ///I did however finally get to see "The Sea Inside" last night/// For a completely different view of life as a quad see the documentary = Murderball. peace, david No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 5/4/06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > He is on my list of > "great > songwriters who should shut up and let others sing their songs" list, > to me the fragile and tentative and raw and rough nature of a song sung by LC, is part of the texture of the whole experience - texture being an important compenent. Some work better than others, but I can't even imagine, say, "Chelsea Hotel" by anyone but him. It would so obviously be a "cover". (altho covers can, of course, be a groovy thing) To hear it by him, is so much hearing an "original" and to me it smacks more of art, as opposed to the craftwork which would be a "cover". His recordings, to me, all have the feeling of demos. Rough drafts. Sketches. But I like that. The songs are nearly at their genesis. I feel when a song retains some sketchiness, it also retains "promise" for future listening. Rather than if it was NAILED the first time, its done, it is no more. But like I said, some work better than others and some are a bit painful to hear. (so I think I know where you're coming from, Bob) Especially with that freaky little "angel girl" chorus..barf. But the places that man takes me with his words - whew.. "Suzanne" by HIM is a trip. Nearly literally, as it lifts me up and out of my head and makes me fly around. Its just miracle stuff. Not saying the covers aren't great - they ARE. But I can't imagine a world without listening to Leonard doing his own stuff. Can't wait to see that flick. Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone, Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC - --- Em wrote: > to me the fragile and tentative and raw and rough > nature of a song sung > by LC, is part of the texture of the whole > experience - texture being > an important compenent. Excellent point, Em. I don't like listening to Leonard singing Leonard for an extended period, but sometimes his own voice sounds best - and his voice does have texture! I was listening to some Leonard once when the kids were younger and they asked me if we could listen to something else, because "that man sounds scary." Jennifer Warnes' "Famous blue raincoat" is one of my all-time favourites. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:19:08 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Black NJC now Murderball That was one of our Upstate Film Society films last year - great movie, hard to watch at times but a wonderful film. What were your thoughts, David? Bob NP: Tabla Beat Science, "Palmistry" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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And maybe it's the same with Myrtle, who wouldn't be accustomed to sitting on stage in front of all those people and cameras unless she was lecturing, as her teaching experience would have been. Bill is probably a much more easygoing person. At any rate, no mother who isn't very proud of her daughter would keep all that school work as the girl grew up. No way. Also, a lot of Saskatchewan people can be kind of -- um -- not publicly expressive of their love for or pride in family members. My dad adored my mom and misses her terribly since she died last May, yet when I wrote the obit I was not to "overdo" it and yesterday when I called to consult him about putting a memoriam notice in the local paper, he advised me not to make it too flowery or "over the top." In other words, there are many who don't wear their hearts on their sleeves, and who think it unseemly to do so. My goodness, what will others think of them? Myrtle is one of those who care what the neighbours think, as we know from Joni's song Face Lift, and you can be sure she was being careful not to show too much pride at the Mendel. She wouldn't want those neighbours saying she thought she was any better than the next guy, you know, just because her daughter is a famous genius. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Myrtle Kate, I loved everything you said and I agree with you. I heard someone recently talking about how his face makes a natural frown. Someone asked him, "How are you today?" The sour-faced guy said, "I'm fine." And the other guy answered, "Well, tell your face!" --Smurf, who also has one of those faces . . . Kate wrote: Bob: > Meanwhile, Myrtle was sitting there with a sour look on her face, probably > wondering "who do these people think she is - Kitty Wells?" Oh, I don't know, Bob. Some people just have that kind of face. I'm one of them. "Old Stoneface," I sometimes call myself. It's not that I'm miserable in the least, or thinking critical thoughts. I just look that way. My dad's got the same scary face, and so did his mother ... and we like to laugh and have fun just as much as the next person! And maybe it's the same with Myrtle, who wouldn't be accustomed to sitting on stage in front of all those people and cameras unless she was lecturing, as her teaching experience would have been. Bill is probably a much more easygoing person. At any rate, no mother who isn't very proud of her daughter would keep all that school work as the girl grew up. No way. Also, a lot of Saskatchewan people can be kind of -- um -- not publicly expressive of their love for or pride in family members. My dad adored my mom and misses her terribly since she died last May, yet when I wrote the obit I was not to "overdo" it and yesterday when I called to consult him about putting a memoriam notice in the local paper, he advised me not to make it too flowery or "over the top." In other words, there are many who don't wear their hearts on their sleeves, and who think it unseemly to do so. My goodness, what will others think of them? Myrtle is one of those who care what the neighbours think, as we know from Joni's song Face Lift, and you can be sure she was being careful not to show too much pride at the Mendel. She wouldn't want those neighbours saying she thought she was any better than the next guy, you know, just because her daughter is a famous genius. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org - --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:56:12 -0500 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: Re: Black NJC now Murderball Well as some of you know I live a full, happy life as a quad. So = Murderball was my pick of the 2 films - more life affirming. peace, david ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com=20 To: J.DAVID SAPP=20 Cc: joni list ; owner-joni@smoe.org ; Bob Muller=20 Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Black NJC now Murderball =20 That was one of our Upstate Film Society films last year - great = movie, hard to watch at times but a wonderful film. What were your = thoughts, David?=20 Bob=20 NP: Tabla Beat Science, "Palmistry" = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary,=20 business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:01:19 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: njc Goodbye All http://www.savelivesinmay.com/EricJulien-En.htm the world ends May 25th. keep reading til you get to where the crop circle shows the earth is... missing. It's been fun, everyone, thanks for all the good times, and certainly the end of the world is one way to end the Bush administration, so its all good! (theRev) Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:15:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Myrtle Very true, Kate, and a good point. I was just making a bum joke at poor Myrtle's expense. It's obvious that both of them (Bill & Myrtle) are pretty crazy about their Joan and proud of her too. After all, Myrtle saved all those things over the years, with no forethought that she would grow up to be the foremost composer of her times. Of course, I'd bet that most parents save that kind of memorabilia from their children. When my Mom died, the saddest thing in the world was going through all of her "treasures" to dispose of them, and finding all the crayon "I Love You Mommy" pictures, the "handprint" pictures, all the Mother's Day Cards, photos etc. that she had from us. She never cared for joo-wels but she had a big box of 'treasures'. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Revolution" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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The sour-faced guy said, "I'm fine." > And the other guy answered, "Well, tell your face!" > > --Smurf, who also has one of those faces . . . > > Kate wrote: > Bob: > > > Meanwhile, Myrtle was sitting there with a sour > look on her face, probably > > wondering "who do these people think she is - > Kitty Wells?" > > Oh, I don't know, Bob. Some people just have that > kind of face. I'm one of > them. "Old Stoneface," I sometimes call myself. It's > not that I'm miserable > in the least, or thinking critical thoughts. I just > look that way. My dad's > got the same scary face, and so did his mother ... > and we like to laugh and > have fun just as much as the next person! And maybe > it's the same with > Myrtle, who wouldn't be accustomed to sitting on > stage in front of all those > people and cameras unless she was lecturing, as her > teaching experience > would have been. Bill is probably a much more > easygoing person. At any rate, > no mother who isn't very proud of her daughter would > keep all that school > work as the girl grew up. No way. > > Also, a lot of Saskatchewan people can be kind of -- > um -- not publicly > expressive of their love for or pride in family > members. My dad adored my > mom and misses her terribly since she died last May, > yet when I wrote the > obit I was not to "overdo" it and yesterday when I > called to consult him > about putting a memoriam notice in the local paper, > he advised me not to > make it too flowery or "over the top." In other > words, there are many who > don't wear their hearts on their sleeves, and who > think it unseemly to do > so. My goodness, what will others think of them? > Myrtle is one of those who > care what the neighbours think, as we know from > Joni's song Face Lift, and > you can be sure she was being careful not to show > too much pride at the > Mendel. She wouldn't want those neighbours saying > she thought she was any > better than the next guy, you know, just because her > daughter is a famous > genius. > > Kate > http://xoetc.antville.org > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:36:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc Goodbye All When I saw the subject line I thought you were uns*bbing, Vince. Certainly glad to see that was not the case and you were just pointing us to a nutjob's website. Penn & Teller's show had a GREAT episode on the end of the world, and how many times it's been predicted. The "Left Behind" dudes have certainly made a bajillion dollars from tapping into the mentality. Has anyone read any of those books? I tried reading the first one and I was laughing so hard after about 20 pages and the writing was SO awful that I couldn't continue. Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Thinking About Tomorrow" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Myrtle -- njc Ugh! I once murdered an old lady who said, "Smile! What are you so glum about?" This was years ago and no one has found her body that I know of, so please don't tell a soul, Catherine. --Smurf, who refuses to walk around smiling for no apparent reason . . . Catherine McKay wrote: Don't you just love it when a complete stranger passes judgement on you for that? I've had that happen to me too. (Stranger: Smile! Me: Feck off!) It happens to my daughter too and she's generally a happy person! Poor Myrtle! - --- Smurf wrote: > Kate, I loved everything you said and I agree with > you. > > I heard someone recently talking about how his > face makes a natural frown. Someone asked him, "How > are you today?" The sour-faced guy said, "I'm fine." > And the other guy answered, "Well, tell your face!" > > --Smurf, who also has one of those faces . . . > > Kate wrote: > Bob: > > > Meanwhile, Myrtle was sitting there with a sour > look on her face, probably > > wondering "who do these people think she is - > Kitty Wells?" > > Oh, I don't know, Bob. Some people just have that > kind of face. I'm one of > them. "Old Stoneface," I sometimes call myself. It's > not that I'm miserable > in the least, or thinking critical thoughts. I just > look that way. My dad's > got the same scary face, and so did his mother ... > and we like to laugh and > have fun just as much as the next person! And maybe > it's the same with > Myrtle, who wouldn't be accustomed to sitting on > stage in front of all those > people and cameras unless she was lecturing, as her > teaching experience > would have been. Bill is probably a much more > easygoing person. At any rate, > no mother who isn't very proud of her daughter would > keep all that school > work as the girl grew up. No way. > > Also, a lot of Saskatchewan people can be kind of -- > um -- not publicly > expressive of their love for or pride in family > members. My dad adored my > mom and misses her terribly since she died last May, > yet when I wrote the > obit I was not to "overdo" it and yesterday when I > called to consult him > about putting a memoriam notice in the local paper, > he advised me not to > make it too flowery or "over the top." In other > words, there are many who > don't wear their hearts on their sleeves, and who > think it unseemly to do > so. My goodness, what will others think of them? > Myrtle is one of those who > care what the neighbours think, as we know from > Joni's song Face Lift, and > you can be sure she was being careful not to show > too much pride at the > Mendel. She wouldn't want those neighbours saying > she thought she was any > better than the next guy, you know, just because her > daughter is a famous > genius. > > Kate > http://xoetc.antville.org > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:37:45 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Black NJC mike said: Bob added: >>I went to add this in my Netflix queue but it's not to be found - drats. I did however finally get to see "The Sea Inside" last night, a wonderful, wonderful Spanish film with lots of Barcelona mentions - definitely brought back some good memories. Javier Bardem was amazing, as was this film. I highly recommend it, just have some tissues handy.<< mike adds: And the director of 'The Sea Inside' (Alexander Almenobar) also directed Kidman's 'The Others', and 'Abre Los Ojos' (Open your eyes) which became 'Vanilla Sky' in its US remake. His early film 'Tesis' is a very good thriller too. Such a young man and so talented, he writes a lot of the music in his films too, and the screenplay too, obviously, as well as writing the music for many other films. One to watch. mike in bcn NP Sly and Robbie - Masters of Dub ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:08:02 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: njc Goodbye All Bob added: << NP: Beth Orton, "Thinking About Tomorrow" >> Ah, Bob, I can hardly express how much I love, love, love this song! It makes me feel chilled, happy, sad, tearful, hopeful. It's an example of Beth's alchemical talent, and by several light years the best song on her very disappointing third album. Reminds me, I must check out her new one, which has been warmly received. Azeem in London NP: Neil Finn - Sinner - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 04/05/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc Goodbye All - --- vince wrote: > the world ends May 25th. > ... > It's been fun, everyone, thanks for all the good > times, and certainly the end of the world is one way > to end the Bush administration, so its all good! > > (theRev) Vince > So long, and thanks for all the fish! The good news is, when Smurf and I vanish into the ether, we'll both be the same age! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:10:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Myrtle - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > kind of face.> > > Very true, Kate, and a good point. I was just making > a bum joke at poor > Myrtle's expense. It's obvious that both of them > (Bill & Myrtle) are > pretty crazy about their Joan and proud of her too. > After all, Myrtle > saved all those things over the years, with no > forethought that she would > grow up to be the foremost composer of her times. I sometimes wonder about that Joni-Myrtle relationship. Imagine being 60 and having both your parents still alive. I wonder how Myrtle deals with Joni's dissing her in songs? I wonder if some of what Joni says about her mother is tongue-in-cheek? I imagine they're both really proud of their daughter and never thought, back when Joan was still doing coffee house gigs, that she'd receive so many honours at home and elsewhere? > Of course, I'd bet that most parents save that kind > of memorabilia from > their children. When my Mom died, the saddest thing > in the world was going > through all of her "treasures" to dispose of them, > and finding all the > crayon "I Love You Mommy" pictures, the "handprint" > pictures, all the > Mother's Day Cards, photos etc. that she had from > us. She never cared for > joo-wels but she had a big box of 'treasures'. > My Mum went through all the stuff before she died. She had cancer, so she knew she wouldn't be around forever. She gave each of us kids a big bag full of stuff, including old report cards, drawings and cards we had made, baby pictures and so on. It's a great thing to do for your kids. I've got a load of stuff that my kids made for me too and, when they're old enough to appreciate it, I'm going to do the same for them. All of my report cards said, "Catherine should participate more in class" or "Catherine should speak up more in class." Handwriting was my worst subject in the early grades. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Amelia NJC fwiw, tonight at 8 on Travel channel is a show about "Finding Amelia Earhart" Might be something I've seen, not syre. Thought I;d through it out there. Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Myrtle NJC My favorite report card comment (I still have the card) from Mrs. Klemkowsky, 4th grade: "Bob sometimes gets lost in foolish behavior - I'm sure he will outgrow this" Most times, the comments said that I wasn't working up to my potential...as if anybody does. Bob NP: Victor Johnson, "Carolina" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Myrtle NJC - --- Bob Muller's teacher once wrote: > "Bob sometimes gets lost in foolish behavior - > I'm sure he will outgrow this" Heaven forfend! XO, - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 15:02:34 +1200 From: Rebecca Blundell Subject: Covers Vol 76 Bob - thanks so much for putting those links up. So far I've only listened to the first lot - I've still got dial-up internet and the first file took 4 hours to download!! Anyway - some thoughts: 1. Inga Swearingen - Black Crow: Loved it. Interesting arrangement and well performed - I'll be listening to that one a few more times... 2. Vikki and James - Big Yellow Taxi: Average. I think the guitar and voice sound good, but there's nothing really unexpected or original here, and the "Shoo-bop-bops" are kind of flat. 4. Roger & Susanne - The Circle Game: Cringeworthy to say the least. It's really badly recorded, and I'm wondering if that ah-ah-ah-ah-ah... is actually Susanne's vocal or some kind of tech fault. Sounds sort of like the tremolo switch on the old electric organ I used to have. 5. Patrick Thompson - Woodstock: Initially I was interested by the colour of what is definitely an unusual voice - but grew to hate it pretty quick. I think the slow arrangement could work - it just needs to go somewhere, which this doesn't. 7. Mark Murphy - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (live): This song really suits Murphy's style and voice. I like it. (incidentally, Murphy's not English - he was born in Syracuse NY, and spent the early part of his career in NYC, moving to London when vocal gigs started to dry up in the 60s. I think he's been back in the US since '72 though.) 8. The Swingin' Medallions - How Do You Stop: I like this one for its slightly different take on the song - seems to me to emphasise different lyrics, and I like it when a cover adds something new, rather than just tries to copy the original. 11. Michael Sagmeister & Britta Medeiros - Night Ride Home: Hey this is nice. Pretty much just a re-hash of Joni's vocal, but well-performed and recorded, and I like the guitar. 13. Yuki Murakami - Both Sides Now: Truly awful. As Ron pointed out - some nice guitar, but that vocal sent shivers down my spine. IMO if you're going to sing in a language that's not your own - learn how to pronounce the words first. 14. Mixed Company - Big Yellow Taxi: The arrangement for this song doesn't really work for me - seems a little slick for the lyric - however, I really like the sound of the group. 19. Moishe Lichtfuss & The A-Signifying Semiotics - People's Parties: The lead singer's nasal voice and tuning problems really put me off - although I think the arrangement's quite good - couldn't listen to that voice though! Thanks again Bob for putting those songs together - once I've coaxed my PC into downloading the rest, I'll let you know what I think. Rebecca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:00:01 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen Cover Story NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > It's not one of my desert island discs, but it is truly a great album. > "First We Take Manhattan" is my favorite track but I like them all. And > unlike some tributes, this is one that was BEGGING to be made as Leonard > himself can't sing his way out of a paper sack. He is on my list of "great > songwriters who should shut up and let others sing their songs" list, > which also includes: I finally got a copy of 'Famous Blue Raincoat' from Amazon and listened to it for the first time tonight. I was not blown away by it. Maybe I'm used to other interpretations and am totally in love with Judy Collins' versions. I don't know. The production, her voice (too much like Linda Rondstadt but not enough like Linda Ronstadt or something) - something just wasn't right to my ears. I will give a few more listens. I agree with Em. There's something about Cohen's versions of his own songs that are very haunting and beautiful. I can see how somebody might find them a bit spooky, though. I also got the remastered with extra tracks version of Kate Bush's 'Hounds of Love' and am loving it. Got it cranked right now. Mark E. in Seattle np: And Dream of Sheep - Kate Bush ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #177 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------