From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #171 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 2 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 171 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Republican and Democrat Oxymorons (njc) [] find the cost of freedom? njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] our sons in coffins, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] New Orleans Spera's Spin njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: our sons in coffins, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Covers 76 - another shot [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] mea culpa -- Loudon Wainwright -- njc [Smurf ] Re: From the Mendel [Catherine McKay ] Re: our sons in coffins, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: From the Mendel [Kate ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol [Jerry Notaro ] RE: From the Mendel ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] RE: JazzFest Update (now njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: little breen -- njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Bruce Update (now njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Circle Game mp3 ["Jeffrey Zinkerman" ] Re: From the Mendel -- njc [Smurf ] Re: From the Mendel -- njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 01:05:33 -0700 From: Subject: Republican and Democrat Oxymorons (njc) Bree wrote: "Contemplating what Lori wrote the other day about both her parents being Republican. See in my case one parent was Democrat the other Republican. My mother eventually switched parties. I don['t know.. we are just born this way. I can't help it...it just happened." My mother was a democrat, but switched parties. Her family are all still Democrats. My father was a Republican, the only one in his family of 13 other than his father. All of my boyfriends except for one over (mumble mumble) years were Democrats. (I did convert one back in the 80s and he now listens to Rush Limbaugh!). The love of my life during the 90s thought Clinton was the absolute greatest president that ever lived. We never discussed Clinton after he said that and it would have been preposterous to even consider that would be a dealbreaker in our relationship. However, I ran into right before the 2004 election and he let me know that he was voting for Bush all the way. I was too stunned at the time to ever ask him why. I have female co-workers who are African American and Hispanic and who are evangelical Christians, stanchly anti-abortion and against gay marriage. They also Democrats who detest Bush and the war. I also have male co-workers who are gay and Republican. People vote the way they do for all kinds of reasons and most of them don't fall along neat lines. One issue that someone may think would mean the most to them might actually mean nothing to them and some other issue is more important. I think somehow in the big scheme of things there is some cosmic reason for this. If we were not each unique, we would risk being robotrons operating from the repitilian brain. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 08:23:02 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: find the cost of freedom? njc Wow, I didn't realize Neil Young was going to be there too! That is great. $24 for the woodstock ticket? I am gald to know that interesting bit of trivia, Edwin. thanks. : -) Marianne From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Mags, I won't try to defend the high cost of CSNY tickets, but I think I can explain it a little better perhaps. Economics is part of it as Bob said, but it is also the cost of putting on such a monster tour. Each of the 4 are stand alone artists on their own, and here in 2006 their entourages are huge. Buses, security, roadies, techs, and on and on. Patti and I have a dear friend who is a drum tech. He has toured with Supertramp, worked for Meatloaf for years, and right now is the tech for the B52's. He and I have talked about the way concerts have changed so much over the years. I carry my Woodstock ticket in my wallet (my holy grail) and it was $24.00...........for all 3 days !! These days the bands make plenty of money for sure, but they also spend tons to go out. They also make money on over priced T-shirts, key chains, and other knick knacks, but I guess those are also necessary evils. For me, I justify the cost in a couple of ways. First of all, it is all 4 of the boys together, and that is a beautiful thing. More than that, I haven't seen Neil so pissed off in a long time. In the past couple years he has written some of his best stuff since Goldrush, and Harvest, etc. The new album promises to be good as well. I can't wait to hear Impeach The President. The tour itself is called The Freedom of Speech tour. That tells me that all the boys are into bringing a message with this tour, and that excites me. Music is power, and a tour like this can only help compliment the Peace Movement which seems( God I hope) to be growing. I hope this tour has songs with the kind of impact as Chicago, and Ohio (wait till you see my post on Thursday). Anyway, for me it was a no brainer. I am not even working right now, but i was right at my computer at 10 AM sharp trying to get those $250.00 seats at Jones Beach. I had to settle for the $125.00 ones, but I will be there..........and I will sing, and throw the peace sign, and let my freak flag fly. Find the cost of freedom Buried in the ground Mother earth will swallow you Lay your body down. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 08:31:42 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: our sons in coffins, njc >I wonder if people SHOULD see more of these pictures. yes, show the pictures. . . show the realities. . . Marianne Deb wrote: Looking over our personal photos from the march, the most moving one is of Carlos Arredondo, whose sign featured a photo of his son (who died in Iraq) lying in his coffin. I thought of posting it to the list via yousendit, but it's really too intense, and I'm not sure I want to look at it myself anymore. All these human tragedies in the service of an imperialist fantasy devised by a cabal of arrogant, deceitful, evil men. Patti wrote: Madonna mia. Your son lying in a coffin. Now THAT is what war is all about, Charlie Brown. I'm not being flip, truly. I am totally serious. Deb, I understand completely how you would think of posting this picture to the list, and also why you did not. Your words alone, describing the photo, were like a dagger in my heart. Moving, indeed. Bless that father for sharing that heart-ripping image. Painful, yes, but a complete distillation of the essence of war. The truth hurts. On the other side of these clouds, I wonder if people SHOULD see more of these pictures. . . . .. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:37:30 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: New Orleans Spera's Spin njc As Bruce Springsteen led his sprawling Seeger Sessions Band onto the Acura Stage on Sunday, he confessed to a hint of trepidation. "It's our first gig," he said. "Let's hope it goes well." Moments later, he encountered a "technical problem" with his pants. Grinning, the embarrassed Boss turned his back to the vast audience and made the necessary adjustments. "It's not just a new band," he later explained, "but a new belt." That was his first, and final, glitch. For two hours, Springsteen and his glorious Seeger Sessions ensemble -- six horns, a banjo, accordion, pedal steel, fiddles, piano -- rendered vintage folk and protest songs stirringly alive and relevant in a tour de force performance. Like few others in popular music could, he crafted a show that spoke eloquently to the city's struggles, both welcome distraction and poignant reminder. The opening "O Mary Don't You Weep" set the tone. Springsteen led, then the full ensemble swung in behind him. A muted trumpet, a trombone and a saloon piano all took solos. Springsteen, as usual, heaved himself into the material at hand. The gravel in his voice stamped a ragged glory on "John Henry" over banjos and accordion. "Old Dan Tucker" and "Open All Night" were each a hoot. Big horn swells lit up a gritty "Jesse James." The best folk songs transcend time. In the old Irish anti-war ballad "Mrs. McGrath," a cannonball claims her son's "two fine legs"; it could just as easily have been an improvised explosive device. Certain lyrics resonated more directly for locals: "There'll be better times by and by." "God gave Noah a rainbow sign, no more water, but fire next time." "The bank holds my mortgage and they want to take my house away." "The only thing we did right was the day we started to fight." And it was easy to imagine "Louisiana" swapped into the lyrics to "My Oklahoma Home," which was "blown away" in a natural disaster. In his most overtly political statement, Springsteen recalled his visit the previous afternoon to the 9th Ward. "I saw some sights I never thought I'd see in an American city," he said. "The criminal ineptitude makes you furious." In response, he adapted Blind Alfred Reed's "How Can a Poor Man Stand Such Times and Live" with new lyrics dedicated to "President Bystander": "My old school pals had some high times there/What happened to you folks is too bad," he sang, mocking President Bush's comments in the early days after Hurricane Katrina. The set's watershed moment, literally, was "My City of Ruins." Originally written for his adopted hometown of Asbury Park, N.J., on Sunday he dedicated it to New Orleans. To a hushed audience, Springsteen closed his eyes and began: "There's a blood red circle on the cold dark ground, and the rain is falling down/The church door's blown open, I can hear the organ's sound, but the congregation's gone . . . the boarded-up windows, the hustlers and the thieves, while my brother's down on his knees . . . now tell me how do I began again? My city of ruins. . ." And then the refrain: "Come on, rise up! Rise up!" Thousands lifted their hands to the sky. I wept, my wife wept. And we were not alone. Just as quickly, Springsteen kicked back into good-time gear with "Buffalo Gals" and a zydeco rubboard and accordion reimagining of "You Can Look (But You Better Not Touch)," from his 1980 album, "The River." A tuba, improbably enough, was the final instrument onstage before the encore at a Springsteen show. Then he presented one last gift. A hundred bands in New Orleans, Springsteen said, could play this last song better than he. But he had come across two lesser-known verses that he thought might be appropriate. With that, he unspooled "When the Saints Go Marching In," not as a boisterous, high-kicking second-line, but as an acoustic prayer, delivered in a desperate hour. Face clenched, he sought the promised land: "Now some say this world of trouble is the only world we'll ever see/But I'm waiting for that moment when the new world is revealed." No other artist could have spoken to, and for, the city of New Orleans at this most important of Jazzfests more purposefully, more passionately and more effectively than Bruce Springsteen and the Seeger Sessions Band. Thank you Bruce...you do us proud rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 08:59:51 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: our sons in coffins, njc In honor of these posts, and Judy's 67th birthday, I offer these great lyrics. I will never forget my first Judy Collins concert where she came out and opened with this song. It was the height of the anti-war movement. Rarely had any song affected me so deeply. It has been some 35 years, and it seems like yesterday. Lyrics by Jacques Brel. Sons Of Sons of the thief, sons of the saint Who is the child with no complaint Sons of the great or sons unknown All were children like your own The same sweet smiles, the same sad tears The cries at night, the nightmare fears Sons of the great or sons unknown All were children like your own... So long ago: long, long, ago... But sons of tycoons or sons of the farms All of the children ran from your arms Through fields of gold, through fields of ruin All of the children vanished too soon In tow'ring waves, in walls of flesh Among dying birds trembling with death Sons of tycoons or sons of the farms All of the children ran from your arms... So long ago: long, long, ago... But sons of your sons or sons passing by Children we lost in lullabies Sons of true love or sons of regret All of the sons you cannot forget Some built the roads, some wrote the poems Some went to war, some never came home Sons of your sons or sons passing by Children we lost in lullabies... So long ago: long, long, ago But, sons of the thief, sons of the saint Who is the child with no complaint Sons of the great or sons unknown All were children like your own The same sweet smiles, the same sad tears The cries at night, the nightmare fears Sons of the great or sons unknown All were children like your own... Like your own, like your own >> I wonder if people SHOULD see more of these pictures. > > yes, show the pictures. . . show the realities. . . > > > Marianne > > > > Deb wrote: > > Looking over our personal photos from the march, the most moving one is of > Carlos Arredondo, whose sign featured a photo of his son (who died in Iraq) > lying in his coffin. I thought of posting it to the list via yousendit, but > it's really too intense, and I'm not sure I want to look at it myself > anymore. All these human tragedies in the service of an imperialist fantasy > devised by a cabal of arrogant, deceitful, evil men. > > > > > Patti wrote: > > Madonna mia. Your son lying in a coffin. Now THAT is what war is all > about, Charlie Brown. > > I'm not being flip, truly. I am totally serious. Deb, I understand > completely how you would think of posting this picture to the list, and also > why you did not. Your words alone, describing the photo, were like a dagger > in my heart. Moving, indeed. Bless that father for sharing that > heart-ripping image. Painful, yes, but a complete distillation of the > essence of war. The truth hurts. > > On the other side of these clouds, I wonder if people SHOULD see more of > these pictures. . . . .. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:21:43 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Covers 76 - another shot Just in case anyone was not able to get #76 due to the link being exhausted, here's a new one, ready for plucking: Parte Uno: http://download.yousendit.com/74E7515606B1FE3A Parte Dos: http://download.yousendit.com/818551E168F83795 If anyone has downloaded it and listened to parts of it, I'd love to hear your thoughts. 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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:34:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: From the Mendel - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Kate had sent this to me and inadvertently left > the rest of you guys off distribution. So I got > to see it first, neener neener neener... > > Anyway, it's very cool stuff, and thanks to Kate > for the effort. I love how Joni's lyric writing > was at such an advanced stage even then. Notice > the rhyming schemes, they are not the standard > you would expect, then again when has Joni done > what was expected? > > Thanks, Kate!!! > When you consider Joan would have been 12 when she wrote this, it is mind-boggling. I think you could do a great kids' book using this, with illustrations. Kate, was what you saw in her own hand-writing, or had it been typed? I'm curious to know if her spelling and so on was correct or not. Just curious, because back then, there was a lot more emphasis on proper spelling and grammar than there seems to be now. I can't imagine too many kids these days writing something like that. I think I sometimes get too hung up on proper spelling and grammar, but even some of the so-called professional writing I've seen lately is atrocious (and I had to check spelling on that last one because I had two /t/s to begin with.) To quote one of my co-workers, we're going to hell in a handbasket. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: our sons in coffins, njc Jerry, one of my favourite songs sung by Judy and I worked out some guitar chords for it back when that album came out. And unfortunately it is still relevant and most likely always will be. - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > In honor of these posts, and Judy's 67th birthday, I > offer these great > lyrics. I will never forget my first Judy Collins > concert where she came out > and opened with this song. It was the height of the > anti-war movement. > Rarely had any song affected me so deeply. It has > been some 35 years, and it > seems like yesterday. Lyrics by Jacques Brel. > > Sons Of > > Sons of the thief, sons of the saint > Who is the child with no complaint > Sons of the great or sons unknown > All were children like your own > The same sweet smiles, the same sad tears > The cries at night, the nightmare fears > Sons of the great or sons unknown > All were children like your own... > So long ago: long, long, ago... > But sons of tycoons or sons of the farms > All of the children ran from your arms > Through fields of gold, through fields of ruin > All of the children vanished too soon > In tow'ring waves, in walls of flesh > Among dying birds trembling with death > Sons of tycoons or sons of the farms > All of the children ran from your arms... > So long ago: long, long, ago... > But sons of your sons or sons passing by > Children we lost in lullabies > Sons of true love or sons of regret > All of the sons you cannot forget > Some built the roads, some wrote the poems > Some went to war, some never came home > Sons of your sons or sons passing by > Children we lost in lullabies... > So long ago: long, long, ago > But, sons of the thief, sons of the saint > Who is the child with no complaint > Sons of the great or sons unknown > All were children like your own > The same sweet smiles, the same sad tears > The cries at night, the nightmare fears > Sons of the great or sons unknown > All were children like your own... > Like your own, like your own > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:41:48 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol Personally..I don't want to get married but I know there are gay couples who do. And like I wrote last week on the list: There are many Democrat politicians who also believe marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman. So does that make a Democrat who believes in same-sex marriage want to sign off from the democratic party? I think each state should decide...let each state's legislative body work it out. I think one day...probably not in our lifetime...same-sex couples will have the same rights as married couples...it will be a union..and all the rights that comes with that...but with a different name. I don't think necessarily that when someone is against gay marriage that automatically they should be considered homophobic. We are the minority after all....it's going to take time for people to come around..and some never will. People have a great fear of the unknown...so forcing with in-your-face tactics is NOT the best way to go about it..imo. So on protecting marriage..I understand where they are coming from....but change will come about eventually. Promoting a culture of life...I agree with this one hundred percent. It is probably one of the reasons I sought out the Republican party. I think all life is sacred. I think the fetus (meaning little one in Latin) should be protected. I think we should be very cautious when in these areas on who lives and who dies.... I have never wavered on this. So how can I go from thinking that all life is sacred to being supportive for war with Iraq... knowing that thousands of innocent people would probably die? The war on Iraq I felt was just..I know that position is debatable.....abortion is never just...it's strictly death. Even though war is immoral in many ways.. SOMETIMES a greater good comes from it. The tens of thousands who were against us going to war with Iraq....I'm sure even they would say there have been wars throughout history that were JUST. Abortion takes a human life deliberately...it isn't just. Should we condemn woman who have had them or who are thinking of having one...absolutely NOT?! Again...I'm not for in -your -face-tactics. So..J..I really don't feel that I'm riding in the back of the bus...but in some ways the driver at the top. Thanks for asking ..Jerry. Bree >So tell me, Bree. Two VERY important parts of the 2004 Republican Party >Platform are as follows. As a lesbian Republican do you support them? > >Protecting Marriage >We strongly support President Bush9s call for a Constitutional amendment >that fully protects marriage, and we believe that neither federal nor state >judges nor bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living >arrangements as equivalent to marriage. We believe, and the social science >confirms, that the well-being of children is best accomplished in the >environment of the home, nurtured by their mother and father >anchored by the bonds of marriage. We further believe that legal >recognition >and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that >unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically >been called marriage. >After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence, and millennia of >human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to >change >the most fundamental institution of civilization, the union of a man and a >woman in marriage. Attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city >could have serious consequences throughout the country, and anything less >than a Constitutional amendment, passed by the Congress and ratified by the >states, is vulnerable to being overturned by activist judges. >On a matter of such importance, the voice of the people must be heard. > >Promoting a Culture of Life >As a country, we must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the >Declaration of >Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental >individual right to >life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the >Constitution >and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the Fourteenth Amendment9s >protections >apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial >protection of that >right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues >for abortion >and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the >appointment of judges >who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human >life. > > > So if I wasn't a Republican lesbian it wouldn't be quite as bad ...J? >You > > would be surprised..there are quite a few of us out here. >Geez..J..it'a > > a big wide world out here...you ought to be glad that we are not all the > > same. That's diversity to me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:18:33 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol Bree's opinions should always, and always are, held in the highest regard here in Mack's head. - --I consider myself a liberal but I can find after reading some of the posts of members of the JMDL that I am not as far left as many. When this country is attacked, if we are attacked, I am 100% behind attacking the mothers back and obliterating them. That was not the case with Iraq. We had no business going there and have no business being there now. The presence of our military is a war crime in the highest degree and much, much more than immoral. How a country that purports to be 'Christian' can behave in this manner is far beyond hypocrisy. Shameful, absolutely pathetic. I loathe George Bush and that began when he was the governor here in Texas. Stupid he was then and nothing has changed. I will never forget him refusing to sign the hate crime bill because it included homosexuals and will never forgive him for it. Nor will I forgive him making Texas the most polluted state in the U.S. by allowing the large companies to police themselves concerning environmental waste and pollution. What he has done since makes these things seem like small potatoes + now he is allowing the entire U.S. to go to pot environmentally. The North Pole melts while the man with the most powerful position in the world twirls around on his stupid stick with his head stuck right up his ass. He will get his in the end, one way or the other. - --Gay marriage? It is simply not right that heterosexuals are allowed to marry, and marry and marry again. They can put benefits here and there for this old spouse or that new spouse but homos aren't allowed the same privelege in the land of the free. Free for some, not so much for others. I don't want to get married either. I don't find taking what the establishment has, and fucked up, something to yearn for. I don't need a ring on my finger or a license from city hall either to feel connected. Okay for those that need it, not me. Sanctity of marriage? Complete bullshit is the whole notion. Nothing more than homophobia and discrimination. If the laws that are supposedly protecting marriage are based on the Holy Bible, which they are, then they should follow the letter of the Bible, which forbids multiple marriages by heterosexuals, as well. Homophobic, discriminatory heterosexuals want their cake and eat it too. And they get it. Though I don't want it, the laws should be the same for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!! Have to disagree with Bree on this one. The only thing that is going to work concerning gay marriage is force. They are never going to just give it away. Too much ignorance and too much hate for that. A minority so we should just take what we get? I don't think so. 'LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.' Paying the same taxes as everyone else, and in most cases more since I have to pay an exorbitant amount of money for school tax so their children can be educated, and following the rules as I should. I do everything any other citizen does and I want the same rights, NOT SPECIAL RIGHTS, as they are getting. I DEMAND THEM. - --Abortion? Think that abortion is not right. But, but, the government has no business telling any woman what she can or can not do with her body. That is her right!!!! No one, NOBODY else's business. Mack > Personally..I don't want to get married but I know there are gay couples who > do. And like I wrote last week on the list: There are many Democrat > politicians who also believe marriage should be defined as between a man and > a woman. So does that make a Democrat who believes in same-sex marriage > want to sign off from the democratic party? I think each state should > decide...let each state's legislative body work it out. I think one > day...probably not in our lifetime...same-sex couples will have the same > rights as married couples...it will be a union..and all the rights that > comes with that...but with a different name. I don't think necessarily that > when someone is against gay marriage that automatically they should be > considered homophobic. We are the minority after all....it's going to take > time for people to come around..and some never will. People have a great > fear of the unknown...so forcing with in-your-face tactics is NOT the best > way to go about it..imo. > > > So on protecting marriage..I understand where they are coming from....but > change will come about eventually. > > > Promoting a culture of life...I agree with this one hundred percent. It is > probably one of the reasons I sought out the Republican party. I think all > life is sacred. I think the fetus (meaning little one in Latin) should be > protected. I think we should be very cautious when in these areas on who > lives and who dies.... I have never wavered on this. > > So how can I go from thinking that all life is sacred to being supportive > for war with Iraq... knowing that thousands of innocent people would > probably die? The war on Iraq I felt was just..I know that position is > debatable.....abortion is never just...it's strictly death. Even though > war is immoral in many ways.. SOMETIMES a greater good comes from it. The > tens of thousands who were against us going to war with Iraq....I'm sure > even they would say there have been wars throughout history that were JUST. > Abortion takes a human life deliberately...it isn't just. Should we > condemn woman who have had them or who are thinking of having > one...absolutely NOT?! Again...I'm not for in -your -face-tactics. > > > > So..J..I really don't feel that I'm riding in the back of the bus...but in > some ways the driver at the top. > > Thanks for asking ..Jerry. > > > Bree > > > > >So tell me, Bree. Two VERY important parts of the 2004 Republican Party > >Platform are as follows. As a lesbian Republican do you support them? > > > >Protecting Marriage > >We strongly support President Bush9s call for a Constitutional amendment > >that fully protects marriage, and we believe that neither federal nor state > >judges nor bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living > >arrangements as equivalent to marriage. We believe, and the social science > >confirms, that the well-being of children is best accomplished in the > >environment of the home, nurtured by their mother and father > >anchored by the bonds of marriage. We further believe that legal > >recognition > >and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that > >unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically > >been called marriage. > >After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence, and millennia of > >human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to > >change > >the most fundamental institution of civilization, the union of a man and a > >woman in marriage. Attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city > >could have serious consequences throughout the country, and anything less > >than a Constitutional amendment, passed by the Congress and ratified by the > >states, is vulnerable to being overturned by activist judges. > >On a matter of such importance, the voice of the people must be heard. > > > >Promoting a Culture of Life > >As a country, we must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the > >Declaration of > >Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental > >individual right to > >life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the > >Constitution > >and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the Fourteenth Amendment9s > >protections > >apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial > >protection of that > >right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues > >for abortion > >and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the > >appointment of judges > >who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human > >life. > > > > > So if I wasn't a Republican lesbian it wouldn't be quite as bad ...J? > >You > > > would be surprised..there are quite a few of us out here. > >Geez..J..it'a > > > a big wide world out here...you ought to be glad that we are not all the > > > same. That's diversity to me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:28:50 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Re: From the Mendel Catherine McKay: > > When you consider Joan would have been 12 when she > wrote this, it is mind-boggling. I think you could do > a great kids' book using this, with illustrations. Absolutely! One of you artists on the list should contact Joni about it. There was the Chelsea Morning kids' book for sale in the gift store, by the way. I assume this is available everywhere. She hadn't done the illustrations herself -- strangely enough, as she would be so capable of it, if it interested her. > Kate, was what you saw in her own hand-writing, or had > it been typed? The Lobster's Ball was typed. I copied it exactly as written -- no spelling problems. What I did see handwritten was well done. Joni would have made good marks in her English classes. There was one little booklet hung on the wall by a string; she had printed that in Grade One with a little story -- very neat, good spelling and punctuation -- I'm surprised they displayed it this way though, as someone could easily make off with it and my guess is that one day it will be worth a pretty penny. I think Joni will be as revered and well known as Beethoven or Bach, for instance, in the centuries to come. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 12:53:12 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol > Personally..I don't want to get married but I know there are gay couples who > do. And like I wrote last week on the list: There are many Democrat > politicians who also believe marriage should be defined as between a man and > a woman. So does that make a Democrat who believes in same-sex marriage > want to sign off from the democratic party? I think each state should > decide...let each state's legislative body work it out. I think one > day...probably not in our lifetime...same-sex couples will have the same > rights as married couples...it will be a union..and all the rights that > comes with that...but with a different name. I don't think necessarily that > when someone is against gay marriage that automatically they should be > considered homophobic. Nice, but not quite to the point. Yes, there are Democrats who oppose gay marriage, but are NOT opposed to civil unions as you yourself describe them. The Republican platform CLEARLY is against ANY form of same sex union and the benefits that come with it. And no, because someone is against gay marriage that does not make them homophobic, but if they are CLEARLY against ANY same sex union, it does. The platform CLEARLY opposes gays and lesbians adopting children or becoming foster parents. You mention state's rights. The Republicans in many sates are using this very same Republican platform, including here in Florida, to make state laws prohibiting gays and lesbians from adopting. Are you in favor of that? Is that not homophobic? > Promoting a culture of life...I agree with this one hundred percent. It is > probably one of the reasons I sought out the Republican party. I think all > life is sacred. I think the fetus (meaning little one in Latin) should be > protected. I think we should be very cautious when in these areas on who > lives and who dies.... I have never wavered on this. There is a big difference between promoting a culture of life, and prohibiting all forms of abortion. Again, states are using this very platform to outlaw all abortions. > So..J..I really don't feel that I'm riding in the back of the bus...but in > some ways the driver at the top. Well, like the white supremacists used to tell the Blacks in the South, at least your on the bus. The Freedom Riders of 1961 sang this song through their ride: Don't "Tom" for Uncle Charlie Don't listen to his lies Cause Black folks haven't got a chance Until they organize Which side are you on? Which side are you on? And 1. If you miss me from the back of the bus And you can9t find me nowhere Come on up to the front of the bus I9ll be riding up there (3x) 2. If you miss me from Jackson State And you can9t find me nowhere Come on over to Ole Miss I9ll be studying over there (3x) 3. If you miss me from the cotton fields And you can9t find me nowhere Come on down to the courthouse I9ll be voting right there (3x) 4. If you miss me from the Thrifty Drug Store And you can9t find me nowhere Come on over to Woolworth9s 9Cause I9ll be sitting in there (3x) 5. If you miss me from the picket line And you can9t find me nowhere Come on down to the jailhouse I9ll be rooming down there (3x) 6. If you miss me from the Mississippi River And you can9t find me nowhere Come on down to the municipal plunge 9Cause I9ll be swimming in there (3x) 7. If you miss me from the front of the bus And you can9t find me nowhere Come on up to the driver9s seat I9ll be driving up there (3x) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:27:21 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: From the Mendel Kind of a cross between Lear's "The Owl And the Pussycat" and Carroll's "Lobster Quadrille." Fascinating stuff! I sure wish I could see this exhibit. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kate Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:29 PM To: Catherine McKay; Bob Muller; JMDL Subject: Re: From the Mendel Catherine McKay: > > When you consider Joan would have been 12 when she > wrote this, it is mind-boggling. I think you could do > a great kids' book using this, with illustrations. Absolutely! One of you artists on the list should contact Joni about it. There was the Chelsea Morning kids' book for sale in the gift store, by the way. I assume this is available everywhere. She hadn't done the illustrations herself -- strangely enough, as she would be so capable of it, if it interested her. > Kate, was what you saw in her own hand-writing, or had > it been typed? The Lobster's Ball was typed. I copied it exactly as written -- no spelling problems. What I did see handwritten was well done. Joni would have made good marks in her English classes. There was one little booklet hung on the wall by a string; she had printed that in Grade One with a little story -- very neat, good spelling and punctuation -- I'm surprised they displayed it this way though, as someone could easily make off with it and my guess is that one day it will be worth a pretty penny. I think Joni will be as revered and well known as Beethoven or Bach, for instance, in the centuries to come. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:00:41 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol > > Promoting a culture of life...I agree with this one hundred percent. It is > > probably one of the reasons I sought out the Republican party. I think all > > life is sacred. Yes, the Republicans show us the sacredness of life every day. In Iraq. In Afghanistan. In the death penalty. In cut backs in food stamps. In cut backs on unemployment benefits. In despoiling the environment and blocking efforts to curb global warming. In opposing universal health care. In efforts to deny education and medical care to children based on their parents immigration status. In efforts to deny medical care and fair wages to adults based on their immigration status. In its response to Katrina. Frankly, anyone who claims to support a culture of life and supports the Republican platforms of 1964 onward is going to have to a lot of tap dancing in front of God. (theRev)Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:42:32 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: JazzFest Update (now njc) Ah!!!! Wonderful Paz! I felt like I was right there!!! I am very, very happy that this video was taken! Hooray!!!!! I definitely did enjoy dear Paz!!! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: Hi Gang http://www.msnvideo.com/jazzfest will be broadcasting tomorrow Sunday and next sunday 5 hour specials on the groups we have been taping. 2pm till 7pm central on Sunday the 30th of April and May 7th. HOPE YOU ENJOY! Best Paz P.S. Rosie. Springsteen was suppose to due a rehearsal on the site tonight but we qare going to have some really bad weather so I don't think it is going to happen. Roberta (Mrs. Springsteen) is here with her husband Tom. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:45:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, apologies Oh!!! You are so good at Jonispeak! I love it!!! (Sigh!) Love, Sherelle Patti Parlette wrote: Oh, dear! My sincere apologies. Thank you for the correction, Mark E.! Of course, this "weak and a lazy mind" knows the two different and individual Marks. Mark E. in Seattle who loves Carly (and many others, of course), lives with Travis and has family in Iowa. And then our brother Mark-Leon Thorne in Sydney, where they had those beautiful fireworks (was that New Year's Eve?), who designs the gorgeous Joni wallpapers. Maybe I was hearing/thinking the "e" in LEon when typing the E.? Fumbling deaf dumb and blind, please forgive me, chers Messieurs. Love, Patti P. (not Patti W. or Patti S. or Patty Duke or anyone else) (but not sheepleish, liebe Lori!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:48:46 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: little breen -- njc Hi Smurf! It's a cup of tea but my glass is raised to dear Walt! To Walt...Cheers!!! Thank you for the update! Tell him we miss him! Love, Sherelle Smurf wrote: Hello, listahs! I just got off the phone with Mr. Joni Noodle himself, Walt Breen, and he asked me to let you know that he is doing fine and he's working on a little essay for the list. He has been very busy since Robert's final illness and passing, and says he hasn't been near the Internet in months, but he's well and in very good spirits. He was going out tonight to celebrate his 50th birthday a little bit after the fact with some friends. (His real birthday is Earth Day, which I guess is why he's such a nuturing lover of all things earthy!) So raise your glasses of whatever to Walt! - - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:04:46 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Bruce Update (now njc) Sigh, sigh...heavy (but happy) sigh....Ah... How nice! How nice indeed!!!! I can't tell you how happy I am to see my friends experience such wonderful things! First Rose, and now you Paz! Very nice! I wish goodness like this for all my Joni friends! And Paz, this is a little extra added goodness for your heart and soul right now...enjoy! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: Hi Everybody from Jazz Fest New Orleans. We had breakfast with Bruce this morning and he trested us to about a 6 song rehearsal. He played Mary Don't You Weep and the most powerful version of My City In Ruins. I looked out over the flooded track from last nights rain and I was overcome with emotion be reminded of my own city under water a few short months ago. What an amazing day. Last night DMB was incredible. We are live this afternoon on msnvideo.com/jazzfest. Bruce's first 2 songs of the set will be on l.ive at 5:30pm. You can watch the whole show starting at 2pm till 7pm. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:06:51 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol Testify, Brother!! Don't forget about the religious right's interest in curbing the population boom and the spread of AIDS in Africa, as long as it can be done without condoms. Gotta save that base! J/ Original Message: - ----------------- From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:00:41 +0000 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol > > Promoting a culture of life...I agree with this one hundred percent. It is > > probably one of the reasons I sought out the Republican party. I think all > > life is sacred. Yes, the Republicans show us the sacredness of life every day. In Iraq. In Afghanistan. In the death penalty. In cut backs in food stamps. In cut backs on unemployment benefits. In despoiling the environment and blocking efforts to curb global warming. In opposing universal health care. In efforts to deny education and medical care to children based on their parents immigration status. In efforts to deny medical care and fair wages to adults based on their immigration status. In its response to Katrina. Frankly, anyone who claims to support a culture of life and supports the Republican platforms of 1964 onward is going to have to a lot of tap dancing in front of God. (theRev)Vince - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:12:47 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Zinkerman" Subject: Circle Game mp3 Live Circle game w/ James Taylor -- http://www.zinknet.com/music/Joni%20Mitchell,%20James%20Taylor%20-%20The %20Circle%20Game%20(Rare%20Live).mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: From the Mendel -- njc - --- Catherine wrote: > even some of the > so-called professional writing I've seen lately is > atrocious (and I had to check spelling on that last > one because I had two /t/s to begin with.) To quote > one of my co-workers, we're going to hell in a > handbasket. So, let me get this right, Catherine . . . to describe the current state of the written word, your coworker farted out 'hell in a handbasket', one of the oldest cliches known to humanity? Ha! While we're on the subject of writing, I am often amazed that so many members of a generation raised on Sesame Street-type TV shows (which emphasized learning the alphabet and reading) can't take a phone message. And then there are times when I'll hear something like a Patty Griffin song with her singing about 'this trail of tears' and wonder whether that's poetic license at work, or if she just doesn't know that a (possibly?) more appropriate cliche she might have used is 'vale of tears'. BUT . . . I am also delighted on a daily basis by things I read and hear -- in music, on blogs, and here on the JMDL. And after six years or so on this list I have seen many people here grow into pretty damn good writers. Spelling and punctuation may not always be a strong suit, but that doesn't mean that what has been written can't be enjoyed. - --Smurf, who was just given a ticket tonight to The Streets in performance June 21 in Boston! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:52:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: From the Mendel -- njc - --- Smurf wrote: > > So, let me get this right, Catherine . . . to > describe > the current state of the written word, your coworker > farted out 'hell in a handbasket', one of the oldest > cliches known to humanity? Ha! Hey, I'm not here to defend the little guy. I guess it's in the delivery. It's kind of his trademark. And, by the way, what is a handbasket anyway? > And then there are times when I'll hear something > like > a Patty Griffin song with her singing about 'this > trail of tears' and wonder whether that's poetic > license at work, or if she just doesn't know that a > (possibly?) more appropriate cliche she might have > used is 'vale of tears'. > Not that I have any idea what Patty was thinking, but she could have been referring to the Trail of Tears - the Cherokee in Georgia being forced out of their homes by the US gov't back in 1838. Google it, babe. Google. Now there's a fun word. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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