From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #169 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, May 1 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 169 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc, Kidnapping Catherine ["Kate Bennett" ] Neil Young in observer ["Garret" ] RE: njc, picking up hitchers ["Marianne Rizzo" ] NJC Monkees [Chuck Eisenhardt ] 76 Joni Covers in the big parade...(Covers, Volume 76) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.] Re: NJC Monkees [Em ] Jethro Tull on the Simpsons (njc) [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Hillary, njc [lcstanley7@aol.com] Re: Jethro Tull on the Simpsons (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: NJC - Thanks ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] NJC Re: find the cost of freedom??? [Allmanfan54@aol.com] RE: NJC - Thanks ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Jethro Tull on the Simpsons (njc) [Smurf ] RE: Al Stewart in concert (NJC) ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Hillary, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Hillary, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Lobster's Ball [Kate ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Hillary, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Judy - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Hillary, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hillary, njc ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] njc, our sons in coffins ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Mitt, njc - pol [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Hillary, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc, our sons in coffins [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Hillary, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Hillary, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Hillary, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Hillary, njc ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 01:34:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc, Kidnapping Catherine >- --Smurf, having fun at Patty Hearst's expense, although I think she was a victim, that she truly suffered, and never should have spent a second in prison< Did I ever tell my patty hearst story here? Back when she was on the loose at some point they thought she might be in the area where I was living/working & so one evening on the way home from work, driving in an old beat up station wagon with my coworker, we were pulled over by some very aggressive police who ordered us out of the car & to put our hands on the roof of the car (or something like that, at least we weren't forced to lie on the ground)... at first it was very disconcerting cuz we had no idea why they were doing this but turns out I guess I sort of looked like her or so they thought (all hippies look a like I guess) but they soon figured they were mistaken & sent us on our way... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:29:07 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Neil Young in observer There was a full page spread in yesterday's Observer about Neil Young. It was a decent history lesson and introduction to the upcoming album, plus a couple of Joni mentions to keep all of us happy. I'm looking forward to the final cd release of this album. GARRET NP- Death In Vegas, Hands Around My Throat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 06:26:48 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: RE: njc, picking up hitchers : -) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Patti Parlette" To: bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org, treegreen1@hotmail.com Subject: njc, picking up hitchers Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:03:20 +0000 Bree and I have our thumbs out. . pick us up on the way to Toronto. k? LO VE Marianne - ---------- Fait accompli! I just picked up two hitchers Two prisoners Of the fine white lines Of the white lines on the free free way And Bree? Either she's going to have to stand and fight with the Democrats Or take off out of here! With a wink and a smile, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 07:26:44 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Monkees Patti notes that Carole King wrote some of the Monkees tunes (and among them, a couple of the best) along with husband Jerry Goffin. If you look at the complete simian discography there are also a couple of Neil Diamond tunes ('I'm a Believer'). The songwriting center of their albums beings and ends with Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart. (The Monkees own stuff, as they began to write, was mostly forgettable) Boyce and Hart released one of two albums as such but mostly just cashed those Monkees royalty checks. The Monkees discography: http://prescott.imbri.com/music/composition/influences/monkees/ index.shtml (npimh: 'I Wanna Be Free' (of this song) ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:09:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: 76 Joni Covers in the big parade...(Covers, Volume 76) Incoming! Mayday! Mayday! Time once again to ring in the new month, and it MAY mean that it's time for yet another collection of covers of songs composed by (and in some cases made famous by) our favorite composer. As always, this month offers up another collection of tantalizing, terrific, and in some cases torturous renditions. And while I'll take the lion's share of the blame/credit, I do want to thank my longtime pal Stephen Elliott in NYC for his assistance. I've had to split it in two parts because of its size - - so go get it here: Part 1: http://download.yousendit.com/EC8A1C78544A10C4 Part 2: http://download.yousendit.com/6C97DBE770D36FBB and dig the following: 1. Inga Swearingen - Black Crow: Volume 76 opens on a kickin' note, a fine piano jazz interp of the Hejira classic, switching tempos, and features some great scat vocals as well as a poppin' piano solo. This crow soars! 2. Vikki and James - Big Yellow Taxi: Bringing us back down to earth is this homemade recording of BYT from Richmond, VA. 3. Frisyr I London - Chelsea Morning: Not sure where the originators of this recording are from - the Pacific rim, perhaps. A bit crude, but very pure & innocent-sounding. 4. Roger & Susanne - The Circle Game: This is a very straightforward reading of TCG, sincere but not particularly stellar and Susanne's voice has a bit too much vibra-a-a-a-a-a-ato for my taste. 5. Patrick Thompson - Woodstock: Now this one is just plain wrong. The vocal is detached, blase, nasally and melodically limited. The guitar sounds out of tune and plays arhythmically and dirge-like. Some words get dropped or changed, others are re-sequenced. A strong candidate for "Sour 16", if I was ever inclined to assemble one. 6. Curt Southall - Both Sides Now: A solo acoustic guitar version, patterned after Randy Scruggs' recording and very pretty. 7. Mark Murphy - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (live): English jazz singer Murphy first recorded GPPH in the studio in '98, this is a live version from his 2004 release "Bop For Miles". Mark's voice has that velvet fog quality, he recorded BSN early in his career (a rare recording that I have finally acquired) so he must be a good Joni fan; after all, what self-respecting jazzer wouldn't be? 8. The Swingin' Medallions - How Do You Stop: South Carolina's own! Hailing from Greenwood, SC and famous for their 60's garage classic "Double Shot of My Baby's Love", the Medallions now tour the southeast as a beach music/party band. This is a fairly solid cover of the non-Joni song with lively percussion, horns, and guitar work. 9. April - Both Sides Now: A recent recording from April, a Scandinavian combo. A nice mix of acoustic and electric instruments, and a very pretty vocal blend as well. A very straightforward arrangement, but scoring high on execution. 10. Bros Rock Crew - This Flight Tonight: Poor TFT...what started out as a simple acoustic song has been taken down the path of heavy metal, death metal, speed metal, and now it gets the hip-hop/electronic-sample rock break dance B-boy treatment. All that being said, I enjoy it, creative combination of samples and sounds. Definitely would make me bust a move except for the fact that I already have problems with my joints. 11. Michael Sagmeister & Britta Medeiros - Night Ride Home: From Germany, Michael & Britta graced us earlier on with their loverly take on BSN, here they tackle one of Joni's later songs to equally engaging effect. 12. Carolyn Montgomery - People's Parties/The Same Situation: Don't know much about Carolyn, but this piano-voice cabaret-type duet track is definitely to my liking. Done appropriately as a medley, one song leading into the next just as Joni intended. And Carolyn's voice is not Joni's, but it's great nonetheless. 13. Yuki Murakami - Both Sides Now: A wonderful light and airy acoustic guitar/vocal version. A strong accent on the part of the singer just adds to the charm. And an original peppy arrangement to boot, always a pleasant surprise. 14. Mixed Company - Big Yellow Taxi: Acapella from Stanford University. More spirited than most, and very 'busy' in that there are lots of different things going on. The arrangement and execution are at a very high level for college acapella. Of course, most of these kids think they're covering a Counting Crows song... 15. Carole Kaye - Twisted: Carole is in this case, the bassist and not the vocalist, so the accent is on the "walking electric bass" here. An enjoyable jazz piece. 16. Geraldine - Michael From Mountains: 17. Geraldine - Cactus Tree: No, this is not Flip Wilson in drag singing Joni Mitchell songs...I guess Geraldine, a 70's singer from the UK, figured she would be another Melanie or Cher and so she didn't bother with the last name. In any event, these obscure 1971 recordings are certainly adequate enough, very similar to Joni's own, some fanciful flute on Michael, and nice backing vocals on both. 18. David & Marianne Dalmour - Both Sides Now: Uber-cheesy early 70's recording, it sounds sorta like a 70's commercial for feminine hygiene products. 19. Moishe Lichtfuss & The A-Signifying Semiotics - People's Parties: I love C&S covers, and am just giddy like a little schoolgirl to see that we have TWO covers of People's Parties on this volume. This one is a download from the group's website and is well-produced, and instead of morphing into Same Situation, it medley's up with Thin Lizzy's "The Cowboy Song". Original and it works too. 20. Garrin Benfield Band - Black Crow: Which brings us to this live recording...the same Joni song that we came in on is the one we'll fly out on. I don't know for sure, but this cover sounds like it was inspired by Joni's 1998 tour version. Garrin's vocals are right on, and his band is a rock-solid, rock steady outfit, particularly the drummer who keeps the beat while still mixing up the drum patterns - impressive. So...no need to declare 'Mayday' - not when you've got 20 tracks, 78+ minutes of Joni-cover-joy at your fingertips! Bob NP: Porcupine Tree, "Even Less" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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If you > look at the > complete simian discography there are also a couple of Neil Diamond > tunes > ('I'm a Believer'). The songwriting center of their albums beings and > > ends > with Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart. (The Monkees own stuff, as they > began > to write, was mostly forgettable) > > Boyce and Hart released one of two albums as such but mostly > just cashed those Monkees royalty checks. > > The Monkees discography: > > http://prescott.imbri.com/music/composition/influences/monkees/ > index.shtml > > (npimh: 'I Wanna Be Free' (of this song) > ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:49:08 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Jethro Tull on the Simpsons (njc) Anyone catch the Simpsons last night? Lisa pretended to be a boy so she could learn math after Super. Chalmers split the school into a boys and a girls school. When she won the award for best math student, she revealed her disguise. Then Martin Prince came out in a goofy jester suit, playing the flute and singing "Thick as a Brick" (best flautist award) till Lisa whacked him with some books. Then they played the real "Thick as a Brick" while the credits rolled. Sometimes the Simpsons have left a bit to be desired this season but sometimes they are pure brilliance! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:29:52 -0400 From: lcstanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Hillary, njc Lori wrote: There are enough Democrats who so dislike her, it would absolutely split the party and we'd end up with another Repub for president. And more recently Lori wrote: Who said they dislike Hillary? I certainly didn't write that, and I don't recall reading it as a comment to this discussion. I do like her -- as with anyone, I don't like everything about her, but I would like to see her have a go as president of the U.S. However, I stand by original comment that, at this time, her candidacy would not be a good thing. It would split the party, and we would end up with ... I dunno ... Bill Frist? Jeb Bush? The Anti-Christ? If Hillary made it onto the final ticket though, yes, I would vote for her. Hi Lori, Yeah, which Democrats don't like Hillary... and why? I only know of one who I'm close to and have talked extensively about why, etc... Marianne Rizzo's sister, Annette. But Annette's reasons are more women's issues rather than political philosophy. What do the Democrats you know of dislike about her? I hope the dislikes can be overcome by her attributes. I think she would make a fantastic president... I really want to see it happen. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:41:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Jethro Tull on the Simpsons (njc) I did catch it, Victor - even on an off-night it is head & shoulders above just about everything, save South Park which continues to get sharper and better with age. I loved the closing credits with Tull...and poor Principal Skinner who was in so deep he was pleading for someone to tell him what to say that wouldn't be offensive to someone. And the "Girls School" where the math class was all about how numbers made them feel and such. A flawless episode. And now that I'm on Netflix, I'm going back and revisiting the whole series on DVD, starting with Season 1. Bob NP: Iron & Wine & Calexico, "He Lays In The Reins" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Talk about 'unclear on the concept'.... JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:48:16 EDT From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: find the cost of freedom??? Mags, I won't try to defend the high cost of CSNY tickets, but I think I can explain it a little better perhaps. Economics is part of it as Bob said, but it is also the cost of putting on such a monster tour. Each of the 4 are stand alone artists on their own, and here in 2006 their entourages are huge. Buses, security, roadies, techs, and on and on. Patti and I have a dear friend who is a drum tech. He has toured with Supertramp, worked for Meatloaf for years, and right now is the tech for the B52's. He and I have talked about the way concerts have changed so much over the years. I carry my Woodstock ticket in my wallet (my holy grail) and it was $24.00...........for all 3 days !! These days the bands make plenty of money for sure, but they also spend tons to go out. They also make money on over priced T-shirts, key chains, and other knick knacks, but I guess those are also necessary evils. For me, I justify the cost in a couple of ways. First of all, it is all 4 of the boys together, and that is a beautiful thing. More than that, I haven't seen Neil so pissed off in a long time. In the past couple years he has written some of his best stuff since Goldrush, and Harvest, etc. The new album promises to be good as well. I can't wait to hear Impeach The President. The tour itself is called The Freedom of Speech tour. That tells me that all the boys are into bringing a message with this tour, and that excites me. Music is power, and a tour like this can only help compliment the Peace Movement which seems( God I hope) to be growing. I hope this tour has songs with the kind of impact as Chicago, and Ohio (wait till you see my post on Thursday). Anyway, for me it was a no brainer. I am not even working right now, but i was right at my computer at 10 AM sharp trying to get those $250.00 seats at Jones Beach. I had to settle for the $125.00 ones, but I will be there..........and I will sing, and throw the peace sign, and let my freak flag fly. Find the cost of freedom Buried in the ground Mother earth will swallow you Lay your body down. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:55:28 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC - Thanks So if I wasn't a Republican lesbian it wouldn't be quite as bad ...J? You would be surprised..there are quite a few of us out here. Geez..J..it'a a big wide world out here...you ought to be glad that we are not all the same. That's diversity to me. Take care... Bree > >Really what your wrote here is just stereotyping..J... > > >So, I guess listing out the Republican platform is 'stereotyping'? >I would think that you would have a more cogent rebuttal, but I guess I'd >rather not have to defend any of those points if I were you either. >A Republican lesbian... kinda like a Jewish Nazi, or a black KKK member... >Talk about 'unclear on the concept'.... > >JR in NH > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Jethro Tull on the Simpsons (njc) Victor! I hadn't turned on my TV in weeks and last night I happened to notice that it was 8 p.m. and since I hadn't seen The Simpsons in ages, I turned it on. The show was, as you said, pure brilliance. I loved the contrasts between the boys' side of the school and the girls'. And the girls' math class where they were 'feeling' the numbers, rather than working on 'problems', as males do. Very funny. Also, this episode had a Cambridge (Massachusetts) connection in that the whole premise of the show -- the community's reaction to Principal Skinner's comments about girls and math -- was based on the recent incident at Harvard University, which led to the dean's resignation. I am so glad someone else I know saw this classic episode. --Smurf waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch the Simpsons last night? Lisa pretended to be a boy so she could learn math after Super. Chalmers split the school into a boys and a girls school. When she won the award for best math student, she revealed her disguise. Then Martin Prince came out in a goofy jester suit, playing the flute and singing "Thick as a Brick" (best flautist award) till Lisa whacked him with some books. Then they played the real "Thick as a Brick" while the credits rolled. Sometimes the Simpsons have left a bit to be desired this season but sometimes they are pure brilliance! Victor - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:17:10 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Al Stewart in concert (NJC) From mike in barcelona - >>It was 'Love Chronicles' and if anyone out there in Joniland knows nothing of this song, it is a magnificent song which lasts about 15 minutes and is almost, as the title suggests, an epic song describing his love affairs from his first, 'Stephanie' and subsequent lovers. << Jacky replied: >>Mike, I don't know whether you had a chance to see any of the recent BBC series "Folk Britannia" but it included a great recording of Al Stewart singing "Pretty Golden Hair" in the 60's in the Troubadour Club, London<< No, I live in Spain and it hasn't arrived here yet, and may never do so. >>I'm also pleased to be reminded of Love Chronicles. I remember as well a fantastic instrumental Al used to play called Ivitch which was spellbinding to watch and, I think, was in an open tuning.<< Couldn't comment on Ivitch, but the first song I remember by Al Stewart was on a CBS sampler called 'Fill your head with Rock' which was an amazing double LP with Spirit, Chicago, PG&E, Moondog, Laura Nyro (Gibsom Street) and a host of other goodies whose names escape me now, more than 35 years later. Al's song was 'A Small Fruit Song' and alternative tuning or not, it sounded a tricky piece to play. >>There was lots of good stuff in the Folk Britannia series, including some footage of Sandy Denny I had never seen before.<< On Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention, I went to see them in about 1968 in the Pritchard-Jones hall in the University of Wales, Bangor, (the PJ), and I climbed a high wall and entered the toilet window to get in without paying (I was around 15 and had no money). Years later I took my degree there (the university, not the toilet) and used to walk along the terrace looking up at the window I entered for that and other concerts and was amazed at the danger involved in all of that. I can't imagine now even thinking that it would have ever been possible. Ay youth... mike in barcelona np Ry Cooder - It's Just Work For Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:35:04 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Hillary, njc Any thoughts on Mitt Romney? I don't really know much about him..but plan to find out more. He does look very presidential...and very handsome....I might add. Speaks well..on the service he has some promise. I don't care for Bill Frist...I hope the heck he's not our nominee. Bree >>However, I stand by original comment that, at this time, her candidacy >>would >not be a good thing. It would split the party, and we would end up with >... >I dunno ... Bill Frist? Jeb Bush? The Anti-Christ? > >If Hillary made it onto the final ticket though, yes, I would vote for her. > >Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:47:40 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol So tell me, Bree. Two VERY important parts of the 2004 Republican Party Platform are as follows. As a lesbian Republican do you support them? Protecting Marriage We strongly support President Bush9s call for a Constitutional amendment that fully protects marriage, and we believe that neither federal nor state judges nor bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to marriage. We believe, and the social science confirms, that the well-being of children is best accomplished in the environment of the home, nurtured by their mother and father anchored by the bonds of marriage. We further believe that legal recognition and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage. After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence, and millennia of human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization, the union of a man and a woman in marriage. Attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country, and anything less than a Constitutional amendment, passed by the Congress and ratified by the states, is vulnerable to being overturned by activist judges. On a matter of such importance, the voice of the people must be heard. Promoting a Culture of Life As a country, we must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the Fourteenth Amendment9s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. > So if I wasn't a Republican lesbian it wouldn't be quite as bad ...J? You > would be surprised..there are quite a few of us out here. Geez..J..it'a > a big wide world out here...you ought to be glad that we are not all the > same. That's diversity to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:53:25 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Hillary, njc I meant he speaks well..on the SURFACE..he has some promise. > >Any thoughts on Mitt Romney? I don't really know much about him..but >plan to find out more. He does look very presidential...and very >handsome....I might add. Speaks well..on the service he has some promise. > I don't care for Bill Frist...I hope the heck he's not our nominee. > >Bree > > >>>However, I stand by original comment that, at this time, her candidacy >>>would >>not be a good thing. It would split the party, and we would end up with >>... >>I dunno ... Bill Frist? Jeb Bush? The Anti-Christ? >> >>If Hillary made it onto the final ticket though, yes, I would vote for >>her. >> >>Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:32:52 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Lobster's Ball Okay. I sent the text of Joni's poem to the list, but it doesn't seem to be there in my digest this morning. Where did it end up? Anyone seen it? Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:07:19 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol Original Message: - ----------------- From: Jerry Notaro notaro@stpt.usf.edu Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:47:40 -0400 To: bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, bluejr@adelphia.net, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol >So tell me, Bree. Two VERY important parts of the 2004 Republican Party >Platform are as follows. As a lesbian Republican do you support them? And if you DON'T support them, which other parts of their platform do you agree with so much so that you are willing to overlook their complete disregard for you as a person? Again, to me it sounds like you have no problem riding in the back seat of their bus. Why is that? J/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:19:10 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol I will answer.....give me a bit. Anything Jerry asks...I will do. ..almost. I'm reorganizing our kitchen today....and it's one mess. So that my peacenik partner doesn't KILL me when she gets home from school...I have to at least make it so you can walk through it. Back later... Bree >From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" >Reply-To: bluejr@adelphia.net >To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, bluejr@adelphia.net, > joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol >Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:07:19 -0400 > > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: Jerry Notaro notaro@stpt.usf.edu >Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:47:40 -0400 >To: bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, bluejr@adelphia.net, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NJC - Thanks - Pol > > > >So tell me, Bree. Two VERY important parts of the 2004 Republican Party > >Platform are as follows. As a lesbian Republican do you support them? > >And if you DON'T support them, which other parts of their platform do you >agree with so much so that you are willing to overlook their complete >disregard for you as a person? >Again, to me it sounds like you have no problem riding in the back seat of >their bus. >Why is that? >J/ > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:19:31 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Hillary, njc I am very impressed with the Health Services bill he passed in Mass. Of course, it is very similar to the one Hillary proposed on a national level, but his ability to work with both sides is admirable. Jerry > I meant he speaks well..on the SURFACE..he has some promise. > > >> >> Any thoughts on Mitt Romney? I don't really know much about him..but >> plan to find out more. He does look very presidential...and very >> handsome....I might add. Speaks well..on the service he has some promise. >> I don't care for Bill Frist...I hope the heck he's not our nominee. >> >> Bree >> >> >>>> However, I stand by original comment that, at this time, her candidacy >>>> would >>> not be a good thing. It would split the party, and we would end up with >>> ... >>> I dunno ... Bill Frist? Jeb Bush? The Anti-Christ? >>> >>> If Hillary made it onto the final ticket though, yes, I would vote for >>> her. >>> >>> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:39:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Judy - NJC Happy Birthday, Judy Collins. 67 today. To celebrate I9m going to sing Song for Judith just for Bree!!!! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hillary, njc - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Any thoughts on Mitt Romney? He SO needs to change his name! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:44:02 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: Hillary, njc His name is actually Willard, and it's kinda hard to be worse than that, unless it's a grown man in his fifties going by a childhood nickname. (like Scooter?) J/ Original Message: - ----------------- From: Catherine McKay anima_rising@yahoo.ca Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:16:51 -0400 (EDT) To: bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, lrfye58@gmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hillary, njc - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Any thoughts on Mitt Romney? He SO needs to change his name! Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 18:05:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, our sons in coffins Our "ignoramus leftie" (LOL!) Deb wrote: Looking over our personal photos from the march, the most moving one is of Carlos Arredondo, whose sign featured a photo of his son (who died in Iraq) lying in his coffin. I thought of posting it to the list via yousendit, but it's really too intense, and I'm not sure I want to look at it myself anymore. All these human tragedies in the service of an imperialist fantasy devised by a cabal of arrogant, deceitful, evil men. - --------- Madonna mia. Your son lying in a coffin. Now THAT is what war is all about, Charlie Brown. I'm not being flip, truly. I am totally serious. Deb, I understand completely how you would think of posting this picture to the list, and also why you did not. Your words alone, describing the photo, were like a dagger in my heart. Moving, indeed. Bless that father for sharing that heart-ripping image. Painful, yes, but a complete distillation of the essence of war. The truth hurts. On the other side of these clouds, I wonder if people SHOULD see more of these pictures. My European friends tell me that our media has sanitized the war. You don't see this stuff in America too much. Sheesh, they didn't even want us to see the flag-draped coffins, and those were pretty tame in the grand scheme of all the horror. My aforementioned friend Chris L. travels a lot, and whenever he comes back from a trip he is enraged anew at what we don't see here. He's been to Ireland, Italy, France and Spain recently, and he says the coverage there is much more "real" and graphic. Speaking of moving pictures, there was one that epitomizes the tragedy of war for me. I wish I could find it. I think it was a Reuters photograph that appeared in my local paper 2 or 3 years ago. It was a little Iraqi boy with his arms and legs gone. Gone. Blown off. He was just a torso and a head, swaddled in bandages for his burns, and his eyes were full of fear. His parents and siblings were all killed in the same attack. I read that he asked his nurse: "Will I always be like this?" And that is just one of the children. How many more? And for WHAT? As Cindy simply wanted to ask last August in Crawford: "What is the just and noble cause?" And he won't answer. He wouldn't answer to Helen Thomas, either. I can't believe 36% our countrymen and women can abide by this, not to mention our senators and congress people. (BTW, I just read that in CT his approval rating is 24%, the lowest in the country.) Sorry for being so heavy. This is just all too much. I know I'm just chicken-scratching here.....I'm not a singer or musician as are many of you, so I have to write it out. And yeah, I know, I'm just singing soprano with the rest of you in this upstairs choir. I love this choir. Love and peace, Patti P., gettin' ready to take it to the streets ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:10:28 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Mitt, njc - pol Seems to be a moderate Republican: Romney's performance as governor is a subject of active debate. Proponents of the governor point towards his effectiveness in reducing government waste and moving towards a balanced budget. Upon entering office, Romney faced a $3 billion deficit. Romney balanced the 2003 budget, and Massachusetts finished 2004 with a $700 million surplus. Same-sex marriage Romney has strongly opposed same-sex marriage and civil unions while denouncing discrimination against gays and lesbians. "Like me, the great majority of Americans wish both to preserve the traditional definition of marriage and to oppose bias and intolerance directed towards gays and lesbians," said Romney in a 2004 interview.[2] During his 1994 campaign against Senator Edward Kennedy, Romney said that same-sex marriage "is not appropriate at this time"[2] but supported Federal legislation that would prohibit discrimination in the workplace against homosexuals.[3] When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney declared his opposition to both same-sex marriage and civil unions.[3] He also voiced support for basic domestic partnership benefits for gay couples. Romney told the Log Cabin Club of Massachusetts (a Republican gay-rights group) that he did not support same-sex marriage, but would fight discrimination against gays and lesbians. He also opposed an amendment, then before the Legislature, that would have banned same-sex marriage and outlawed all domestic partnership benefits for gay couples. As a result, the Log Cabin Club endorsed Romney in the gubernatorial election. [4]. When campaigning in 2002, Romney's stated position was that "all citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation" and that "homosexuals should have the right to a domestic partnership status that affords them the potential for health benefits and rights of survivorship." [5] Romney was heavily involved in attempts to block implementation of the decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court that legalized same-sex marriage in 2003. Romney criticized the decision as harming the rights of children. Health Care On April 12, 2006, Governor Romney signed legislation to provide health insurance to virtually all citizens of Massachusetts without raising taxes.[13] Working with conservative groups such as the Heritage Foundation and democrats in the state legislature, Romney developed a plan that stresses personal responsibility in paying for coverage and provides funding for the underprivileged. Starting in July 2007, health insurance will be mandatory for all state residents, provided a plan is available to the individual that is deemed affordable according to state standards. Lower income individuals will be eligible for subsidies to purchase health insurance. Abortion Romney has identified himself as a pro-life politician. He does not support abortion except in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of a mother is threatened.[30] Romney has been a vocal opponent of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, criticizing the bone size fits allb statute created by the ruling.[31] The Governor believes each state should have the right to determine its own abortion laws, voicing support for efforts in states such as South Dakota to regulate abortion within its borders.[32] Prior to his run for governor Romney told a newspaper in Salt Lake City Utah that he did not want to be classified as a "pro-choice" politician.[33] During the 2002 governor's race, Romney voiced his personal opposition to abortion, but promised to maintain the Massachusetts abortion laws if elected. Romney's platform stated, "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the governmentbs."[34] Although he told voters that he was personally opposed to abortion, Romney said that he would respect the will of the pro-choice majority in Massachusetts. In May 2005, Romney claimed his stance on abortion had changed, saying that he considered himself a "pro-life governor" who wished "the laws of our nation could reflect that view." [35] In 1994, Romney also claimed that he was personally opposed to abortion. He also said that he became committed to legalized abortion after the death of a family friend in an illegal abortion made him see "that regardless of one's beliefs about choice, you would hope it would be safe and legal." In-State Tuition Bill Romney vetoed a bill in 2004 that would have allowed illegal immigrants to obtain in-state tuition rates at state colleges if they graduated from a Massachusetts high school after attending it for at least three years and signed an affidavit affirming that they intended to seek citizenship. Environment Romney supports regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, although he is "unsure whether climate change is occurring and whether human activity is causing it."[42] He issued a 72-point Climate Protection Plan and spent more than $500,000 negotiating the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), which he praised as "good business."[43][44] In December, 2005, Romney reversed course and pulled Massachusetts out of RGGI.[45] In 2003, Romney appointed environmental advocate Douglas I. Foy (former president of the Conservation Law Foundation) to head the state development office.[46]. Foy resigned in February of 2006.[47] Romney opposes the controversial Cape Wind offshore wind farm proposal because it would be visually unattractive. b* Gun Control: "Mitt Romney supports the strict enforcement of gun laws. He is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban. Mitt also believes in the rights of those who hunt to responsibly own and use firearms."[49] b* Minimum Wage: In 2002, Romney proposed an increase in the Massachusetts minimum wage, arguing "I do not believe that indexing the minimum wage will cost us jobs. I believe it will help us retain jobs." However, he failed to convince the state legislature to pass his minimum wage increase. In his 1994 Senate campaign, Romney endorsed an increase in the federal minimum wage after TV ads from Ed Kennedy blasted Romney for opposing an increase in the minimum wage. Romney denies that he ever opposed a minimum wage increase and says that a 1994 letter opposing such an increase was written by a supporter not authorized by Romney's campaign.[4] [edit] > His name is actually Willard, and it's kinda hard to be worse than that, > unless it's a grown man in his fifties going by a childhood nickname. > (like Scooter?) > J/ > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Catherine McKay anima_rising@yahoo.ca > Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:16:51 -0400 (EDT) > To: bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, lrfye58@gmail.com, joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Hillary, njc > > > --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >> Any thoughts on Mitt Romney? > > He SO needs to change his name! > > > Catherine > Toronto > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hillary, njc - --- "bluejr@adelphia.net" wrote: > His name is actually Willard, and it's kinda hard to > be worse than that, Does make me think about rats. And Michael Jackson! > unless it's a grown man in his fifties going by a > childhood nickname. > (like Scooter?) > J/ There comes a time to put away childish things. It could be worse, I suppose. He could be Stinky. Or Poopy-Pants. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:26:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc, our sons in coffins <(BTW, I just read that in CT his approval rating is 24%, the lowest in the country.)> Here's the latest (April 18) edition of the State-by-State survey. I guess I can't moan too much about SC, even they are below 40% approval. http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/06041850StatePOTUSNet.html Bob NP: Sufjan Stevens, "They Are Night Zombies!! They Are Neighbors!! They Have Come Back From The Dead!! Ahhhh!" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:16:46 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Hillary, njc I wrote: > There are enough Democrats who so dislike her, it would > absolutely split the party and we'd end up with another Repub for > president. Laura wrote: > Take heed you Hillary dislikers: If she ends up the one on the ticket, > ya'll will be voting for her regardless of how you don't like her... I bet, I > bet, I bet, I bet, I bet, I bet!!! And then I wrote, in response to Laura > Who said they dislike Hillary? I certainly didn't write that, and I don't > recall reading it as a comment to this discussion. Okay, let me be more clear: when I said there are enough Democrats who so dislike Hillary, I wasn't referring to anyone in this forum. Sorry for the confusion. I would write more, but am severely limited on time. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:19:00 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Hillary, njc > There comes a time to put away childish things. It > could be worse, I suppose. He could be Stinky. Or > Poopy-Pants. Or ... Dick. Okay, not necessarily a childhood nickname, but could there BE a worse nickname for a man????? Not only that, most of the guys named Dick that I've known or know of then apparently feel the need to prove they ARE one. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:07:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Hillary, njc And it gets worse...some Dicks have a son who they also curse with the name, and then growing up you have to distinguish between "Big Dick" and "Little Dick". I've know two son-of-a-dicks that this happened to. I was Little Bob for awhile (when I felt I had grown out of "Bobby"), not quite as bad. Bob NP: Peter Murphy, "Cuts You Up" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Richard (with shoulder-length hair) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:19 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hillary, njc > There comes a time to put away childish things. It > could be worse, I suppose. He could be Stinky. Or > Poopy-Pants. Or ... Dick. Okay, not necessarily a childhood nickname, but could there BE a worse nickname for a man????? Not only that, most of the guys named Dick that I've known or know of then apparently feel the need to prove they ARE one. Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #169 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------