From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #163 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 27 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 163 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- on the outside looking in NJC [] Re: republican mysteries NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: republican mysteries NJC [Moni Kellermann ] Canadian music creators coalition (NJC) [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Myspace njc ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: republican mysteries NJC [Em ] Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] taxes (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: art (njc) [Em ] Happy Jazz Fest!!! (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: taxes (sjc) ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses [Catherine McKay ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers now vljc [Catherine McKay ] NJC Al Stewart in concert [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers now vljc [Em ] Re: Myspace njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: republican mysteries NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: njc, I'm the Decider ["Kate Bennett" ] on the outside looking in NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: republican mysteries NJC PC [dsknyc05 ] njc, March for Peace, Justice & Democracy ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, March for Peace, Justice & Democracy [Em ] Re: njc, March for Peace, Justice & Democracy ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: art (njc) ["Cassy" ] Re: on the outside looking in NJC PC [dsknyc05 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:34:42 -0700 From: Subject: on the outside looking in NJC Mags wrote: "INformed entirely with my very own most humble opinion; oh this one touches a nerve in me, perhaps because I feel the need to defend my own countryman ;-) Meic. (hail to wails ;-) ... Alas and alack. Must we qualify our opinions of the US by living IN the US? Wow. Full stop on that one." Defend Mike for what? " despite the fact that I am not an American, I did live there for a time, and did gain a certain perspective that I did not have prior to. (again, my humble opinion is informed by this Canadian's life on the inside). No, I am not saying that I know everything about America and how and why it works (ack, does anyone???) , but I sure as hell know a lot more than I did, and I can speak to that, especially paranoia as a tactic of control." That was your individual experience, Mags. I could have also gone and lived in Canada or another country or even another state for a few years and might have been unfortunate to be around people who used "paranoia as a tactic of control. " You have mentioned many times your horror that we are starting to ask to see passports from people from Canada and how you felt like you were in Nazi Germany because your papers were reviewed at some checkpoint. That personally sounded a little paranoid to me. I'm asked to show my passport when I've gone to Canada and rountinely traveling to other countries outside the U.S. Why is it such an unusual thing if the U.S. asks for it? "No kidding. I felt like I had moved to an entirely different planet. There was NO sense of what it is to "be" a Canadian, (from the natives ***your word*** )and yet all too often, everyone I met seemed to *know* inherently, what it was to "Be" Canadian. Not only to I beg to differ, I realise full well, that I digress. And speaking of your word, native, does this mean that....oh no....I'd best leave that kettle of fish alone. (calling Pandora)" You project your own interpretation on the word "native." I understand it as it is defined in any dictionary. From American Heritage Dictionary Online it is defined as "Belonging to a place by birth," "Being such by birth or origin" I'm sorry living in the U.S. was so awful for you but maybe there were some reasons other than a generalized antipathy toward the country that colored your experience. "to make an assumption that Mike or anyone, cannot speak to the issues raised about the US is a bit curious to me. Does this mean that one can only talk about one's own direct experience within the country that one resides? ??? and have no comment about countries on the outside? . " That's not what I said to Mike at all. He has often spoken about issues raised about the US. I said that people from outside OR inside could never be "all knowledgeable" but the people inside probably have a leg up on a lot of it. Mike and others provoke responses and ask questions all the time here about the negative elements of the country. What - do I have to follow in lock step and say "oh yes, everything is so bad, it's so terrible and I am one of the few good ones here on the JMDL, but the rest are idiots" etc. and so on. I'm not going to do that because it is well.......um...oh nevermind. "Oh , rest assured, whatever is going on IN the US of eh IS a big concern for those of us beyond its faire borders." As well it should. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:37:58 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: republican mysteries NJC I think it would be very useful if some of you who live in countries other than the USA could share with Americans what you see and hear on your television and radio program(me)s. Please share? Hi Lori Here's my roundup of today's press in Barcelona: El Pais - 27 April, page 1 main headline (translations mine) 'CIA kidnapped suspicious people in Europe in order to torture them in various Arab countries' - (page 3 talks of 'more than a thousand flights') p.15 - Zbigniew Brzezinszki article entitled 'Don't Attack Iran' no news on Canada... La Vanguardia http://www.lavanguardia.es/web/ 'Bush names the star of Fox TV, the ultraconservative news channel, as his new spokesman'. There is also an opinion poll asking 'do you believe the campaign against terrorism in the USA justifies the cutting of fundamental rights? It got 28,343 responses, 88.1% of which say 'NO'. no news on Canada... Avui (Catalan language daily) http://www.avui.cat/avui/diari/docs/index4.htm ..talks of Rice and Rumsfeld in Iraq to supervise the new government. no news on Canada... mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:41:23 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: republican mysteries NJC Lori schrieb: > I think it would be very useful if some of you who live in countries other > than the USA could share with Americans what you see and hear on your > television and radio program(me)s. Please share? Lately I have noticed that I use the internet much more than television or radio. I quit listening to radio years ago, I can't stand the ads, the babble and the endless repeating of the same songs. Besides, I don't like radio as a distraction, and if it demands my attention, I'd rather put on a CD and listen to what I really want to listen to. As with television, I found that most of the stuff that I see in the evening news I know already about because I have read it on the WWW already during the day. Some good German and Swiss newspapers who are making an extra effort and translate some parts of their contents into English. http://www.spiegel.de/international/ http://nzz.ch/eng/index.html A great site with additional audio and video content: http://www.dw-world.de/select_html/0,,,00.html If you are interested in reading some facts about Germany itself (and not only how Germans reflect the US), there is a really well-written manual here: http://www.handbuch-deutschland.de/index_en.html You can browse it online or download a PDF version. A very useful source is: http://www.magazine-deutschland.de/ which is available in several languages. Herzliche Gr|_e moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:49:02 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Canadian music creators coalition (NJC) http://www.musiccreators.ca/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:12:21 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Myspace njc Does anyone use myspace? I've been looking around it for a while now. It is a great way to hear music that you might not hear otherwise. Check out Stryngs' page www.myspace.com/stryngs. And for Smurph: check out Regina Spektor's page www.myspace.com/reginaspektor Any other JMDLers use myspace? GARRET NP- That new Shayne Ward song is on the radio. We have been celebrating a big step forward for our organisation and, following the sparkling wine/oragne juice and chocolate cake thing, we've put the radio on to help keep a the good mood. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:29:11 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Myspace njc Hey Garret I don't use it personally but I know some guys that do... a band called The Profiles who are a jazzy easy listening type bunch who used to listen to Bacharach and Aja... www.myspace.com/theprofiles On 27/04/06, Garret wrote: > Does anyone use myspace? > > I've been looking around it for a while now. It is a great way to hear > music that you might not hear otherwise. > > Check out Stryngs' page > > www.myspace.com/stryngs. > > And for Smurph: check out Regina Spektor's page > > www.myspace.com/reginaspektor > > Any other JMDLers use myspace? > GARRET > > NP- That new Shayne Ward song is on the radio. We have been celebrating a > big step forward for our organisation and, following the sparkling > wine/oragne juice and chocolate cake thing, we've put the radio on to help > keep a the good mood. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:16:29 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses Bob Muller posted: "I did notice that the piano intro is similar in pacing & structure to Judgement of the Moon & Stars though. Joni's piano just has some kind of sound quality to it that I never hear anywhere else...maybe it's her chord structures, I dunno." I think David Lahm would agree about the chord structures - just my guess. Although, conceptually (to me), Joni's chords derive a certain jazz inflected warmth from her use of non-tonic bass notes/triads which, when laid under her more traditional (right hand) major or minor chords produce the aforementioned warmth (and alternating tension) that characterizes her compositions/arrangements. Personally, I feel that Joni deliberately composed the opening to JOTMAS a la mode of Beethoven himself ("how would Ludwig have opened this song?"). Of the other piano songs on FTR, I find Banquet's opening closest to JOTMAS's. I think See You Sometime's opening is closer in pacing and structure to Blonde in the Bleachers. When one adds to those 4 songs the magnificent pairing of Lesson in Survival / Let The Wind Carry Me, it is hard to understand how this record (with its wonderful balance of 6 piano songs and 6 guitar songs - all outstanding) has managed to get so little recognition over the years - until one realizes that it was flanked by Blue and Court and Spark. Perhaps the public and listening audience just never had time to catch their breath. I will never forget my introduction to many of these FTR songs - seated in the 5th row at Carnegie Hall in February 1972, listening to Joni play them (and the audience struggle with them) months before their actual release. She was really something back then (for those of you who picked her up at a later date). For me, there was a thrill to the discovery associated with each of her new releases, similar to that provided by the Beatles (not that I am likening them musically). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: republican mysteries NJC I'd like to hear the news from Venezuela. And from Cuba. Just wondering if it would eventually piss me off. Or if it would feel good, like a near painful backscratching. Em - --- mike pritchard wrote: > I think it would be very useful if some of you who live in countries > other > than the USA could share with Americans what you see and hear on your > television and radio program(me)s. Please share? > > Hi Lori > > Here's my roundup of today's press in Barcelona: > > El Pais - 27 April, page 1 main headline (translations mine) > 'CIA kidnapped suspicious people in Europe in order to torture them > in various > Arab countries' - (page 3 talks of 'more than a thousand flights') > p.15 - Zbigniew Brzezinszki article entitled 'Don't Attack Iran' > no news on Canada... > > La Vanguardia http://www.lavanguardia.es/web/ > > 'Bush names the star of Fox TV, the ultraconservative news channel, > as his new > spokesman'. > > There is also an opinion poll asking 'do you believe the campaign > against > terrorism in the USA justifies the cutting of fundamental rights? > > It got 28,343 responses, 88.1% of which say 'NO'. > no news on Canada... > > Avui (Catalan language daily) > http://www.avui.cat/avui/diari/docs/index4.htm > ..talks of Rice and Rumsfeld in Iraq to supervise the new government. > no news on Canada... > > mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > I will never forget my introduction to many of these FTR songs - seated in > the 5th row at Carnegie Hall in February 1972, listening to Joni play them > (and > the audience struggle with them) months before their actual release. How lucky you were. This is one of my prized recorded concerts. It was Joni in her finest form. The magic of Carnegie Hall. > > She was really something back then (for those of you who picked her up at > a > later date). For me, there was a thrill to the discovery associated with > each > of her new releases, similar to that provided by the Beatles (not that I > am > likening them musically). I guess that kind of anticipation doesn't exist anymore. I remember waiting anxiously in line at my college record co-op for a preordered copy of The White Album and rushing to a friend's dorm room stereo to play it on his "high-end stereo." Even now I remember the thrill of hearing each song for the first time. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:18:34 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: art (njc) In the midst of all the political discussion/disagreement on the list (and because I have a few minutes to spare this morning, for once), I thought I'd share a few links to artists' web sites you all might enjoy. First is a quilter whose work is just stunning, I think: http://www.lenorecrawford.com (Don't think "Ohio Star" type traditional quilts. These are true works of art.) Next is a painter whose ability to capture light on canvas is just amazing: http://www.ovidward.com/ And, finally, a woman who makes sailor's valentines. (I'll be taking another class with her this summer.) http://www.sailorsvalentines.com/blanda.htm It sometimes seems that disagreements, whether in relationships or on a political level are about "Why aren't you more like me?" I think that art is the antithesis of that, broadening perspectives and horizons. Sort of "Wow, why didn't I think of that?" lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:52:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses Or perhaps it was mis-marketed. I wonder what would have happened if something besides "You Turn Me On" was released as the single. While it's a great song and a radio-ready (in more ways than one) single, it was sort of atypical of the record, don't you think? That is so cool that you were there in '72, what a memory. I didn't really get Joni until '76 or so. Bob NP: The Jam, "That's Entertainment" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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There are also the FICA deductions (Medicare at 1.45% and Social Security at 6.2% with a yearly cap). I'm not counting state or local taxes since that varies by location, but I think that anyone paying 50 to 70% needs a new accountant :-) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: art (njc) - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > It sometimes seems that disagreements, whether in relationships or on > a political level are about "Why aren't you more like me?" I think > that art is the antithesis of that, broadening perspectives and > horizons. Sort of "Wow, why didn't I think of that?" Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to spend a few hours in the body and mind of, say, a male, Kenyan runner. Thanks for the art links, Anne. That's very refreshing! :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:32:14 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Happy Jazz Fest!!! (njc) Too bad this is NJC. I mean, wouldn't it be great if Herself showed up???? Paz, you're an inspiration! Music surely is love and you've got lots of both. Have a great time and good on you and N"Awlins for continuing to "laisser les bon temps rouler!" lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:20:40 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: taxes (sjc) My god, Americans have it really easy in terms of taxes (insert rude comment here next to my rather sweeping naive one). In the UK the lower tax band (after the basic which is around UKP #4550 - about US10k) is #45,000 when it jumps from 22percent to 40percent. Now the JC... What was the big tax debacle that Joni was involved in in the 1980's. To my understanding was she taxed in the State of California for earnings at 90percent RETROSPECTIVELY? it being the 1980s I can understand why they did it retrospectively - I mean how do you take 90 percent of no earnings? ;o) I understand Neil Young was one of the handful that were being given this penalty. Any answers? Jamie Zoob On 27/04/06, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > I hate to be contradictory, but Kakki mentioned a U.S. tax rate of 50 to 70 percent. Actually, according to the IRS, (http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=150856,00.html), the maximum rate on income up to $336,550 is 28%, with anything over that taxed at 35%. > > There are also the FICA deductions (Medicare at 1.45% and Social Security at 6.2% with a yearly cap). > > I'm not counting state or local taxes since that varies by location, but I think that anyone paying 50 to 70% needs a new accountant :-) > > lots of love, > Anne > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blonde in th Bleachers / For The Roses - --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > it is hard to understand > how this record [FTR] (with its > wonderful balance of 6 piano songs and 6 guitar > songs - all outstanding) has > managed to get so little recognition over the years > - until one realizes that > it was flanked by Blue and Court and Spark. Perhaps > the public and listening > audience just never had time to catch their breath. > > I will never forget my introduction to many of these > FTR songs - seated in > the 5th row at Carnegie Hall in February 1972, > listening to Joni play them (and > the audience struggle with them) months before > their actual release. > > She was really something back then (for those of you > who picked her up at a > later date). For me, there was a thrill to the > discovery associated with each > of her new releases, similar to that provided by > the Beatles (not that I am > likening them musically). > > Bobsart Bob, I saw Joni just a few days later at Massey Hall in Toronto. It was the first time I had ever seen her in concert and I was blown away with the not-yet-released songs that showed up several months later on "For the roses". I'm also perplexed as to why FTR isn't as recognized as "Blue" and "Court and Spark." It's a solid album full of fine material and has always been a favourite of mine. Joni's piano playing was mighty fine. Play those warm chords! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:50:40 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers Hi Bob Hmmm... I thought it was fingernails too but they seem to be either contrapuntal to the piano or not even in time to the playing at all... usually when I play keys I can hear my own fingernails *with* the striking of the keys... this seems to be the jangling of wooden bangles... or too much spittle and she's clearing her mouth just before she starts singing... I know I'm going into this a whole much more than I should be but it's just one of those things that I hear. I do like the subsequent discussion re JotM&S and I do think it's her take on Ludwig Van. Now excue my aural memory but is that the one which she redid in full orchestra after Asylum only gave her enough money for 6 violins for the FtR version? I wish I'd heard the Tlog version live.... Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 26/04/06, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > anyone else has heard the clinking at the start of this track.> > > Hmmm...I just pulled it up and listened, and I didn't hear any clinking of > any kind. Maybe you're listening at a higher fidelity than I am and maybe > it's her fingernails on the piano keys? I do hear the fingernails on the > guitar sounds on some of her other songs. And speaking of BITB, listen to > the ending...after the 2:00 minute mark, it sounds like it belongs on > HOSL. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: art (njc) Thank you, Anne (woman of heart and mind), for reminding us about beauty. Are humans unique in their making of and appreciation of art? Generally speaking, it has no practical function. It exists simply to be beautiful. Of course, there is beauty in nature - sunsets and mountain views that take your breath away. And then again, warm chords and bird song. Too many people seek to destroy, where more of us should create beautiful things to look at and listen to and touch. And let's not forget the smell of roses or freshly baked bread. I was particularly blown away by the quilt artist. What a unique way of combining media. I started making a quilt 16 yrs ago and have only completed one square and almost completed a second. The two I did finish are actually quite good, if I do say so myself, but I keep looking at the material, thinking I should finish it but with carpal tunnel, I can't hold onto a needle for long without my fingers going numb. Maybe I'll just use the sewing machine and sew a bunch of colour-block strips together with the nice stuff in the middle. One day. - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > In the midst of all the political > discussion/disagreement on the list (and because I > have a few minutes to spare this morning, for once), > I thought I'd share a few links to artists' web > sites you all might enjoy. > > First is a quilter whose work is just stunning, I > think: > > http://www.lenorecrawford.com > > (Don't think "Ohio Star" type traditional quilts. > These are true works of art.) > > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers now vljc - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > I do like the > subsequent > discussion re JotM&S and I do think it's her take on > Ludwig Van. I like the sound of Jotmas (or JotM&S). It sounds a bit like the name of a holiday. First there's Christmas, then there's Jotmas. Never mind. Carry on. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:19:36 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers now vljc Yes, it's the night before Kwanzaa. ;o) On 27/04/06, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- Jamie's Box of Paints > wrote: > > > I do like the > > subsequent > > discussion re JotM&S and I do think it's her take on > > Ludwig Van. > > I like the sound of Jotmas (or JotM&S). It sounds a > bit like the name of a holiday. First there's > Christmas, then there's Jotmas. > > Never mind. Carry on. > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: on the outside looking in NJC Another voice from outside the US. . . from the new CD by Mike "The Streets" Skinner, who's from England: "Two Nations" Two nations divided By a common language And about two hundred years of new songs and dancing But the difference is language And just the bits you got wrong 'Cause we were the ones who invented the language Sorry, oi, that's just my idea of a joke But you guys are different to us across the pond folk And I keep having to say that I'm only joking In New York when I have to buy fags on the road, oi Biggy man, god bless America and that But you lot keep killing all your best talent We build up our stars and then papers sweep on them And you build on stars and maniacs shoot them I don't know much about nines and Mac's But we still got 22's we're inclined to pack And I much prefer the profit margin nowadays And crystal methods all the height with crack It was no shock to me when we flew to the door At the Nas gig where the mans were shooting in a war Since it got reported in the latest news story That London is now more dangerous than New York Two nations divided By a common language And about two hundred years of new songs and dancing But the difference is language And just the bits you got wrong 'Cause we were the ones who invented the language, oi Understated is how we prefer to be That's why I've sold three millions and you've never heard of me The paparazzi shoot me the the girls all loose on me But don't shoot hiders, we fight football rivalry The work wac means to cum back home And I wrote the ten wac commandments on my own I was in front of the bloke shooting at the Nas show But they weren't shooting at him it was honor that night though We don't shoot idols happily shoot instead Up my road the police just thought are you dead 'Cause they guessed he might of been a bit of a terrorist Does this bomb look big in this bag then but we love Biggy, Johnny Cash and Stevie Wonder It's no Biggy we got no cash and its no wonder 'Cause I'm proud we gave you people like John Lennon Even though you shot him as well Two nations divided By a common language And about two hundred years of new songs and dancing But the difference is language And just the bits you got wrong 'Cause we were the ones who invented the language - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:49:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Al Stewart in concert I had all but forgotten Al Stewart; not really difficult to do as he was for the most part not much more than a footnote as far as his success in the US was concerned. There was "Year Of The Cat" which was a million-seller and all over the airwaves back when it came out in the 70's, and he had some success with Time Passages, mostly because it was Year Of The Cat's followup, but shortly after he fell off the radar screen for me. Thanks to some compilation CD's from Mike in Barcelona, I was reminded how much I liked his sound; his unique tenor, his clear and fluid acoustic guitar playing, and his unique lyrical pattern. He writes mid-tempo folk rock and commonly injects themes of European history, sometimes using historical events as a metaphor for personal relationships. So when I read that he was coming the The Handlebar on April 26, I thought 'why not', and it was in fact the first time he had played Greenville. He was just as surprised with Greenville's arts sophistication and the number of fans who REALLY knew his work as I was with his stage presence and the depth of his catalog. Kicking off with the title track from his newest album (Year of the Cat was his 7th record and he has about 20 albums under his belt as he celebrates 40 years of recording), he performed a highly enjoyable set that truly surprised me in that I had heard almost every song before. His show was totally spontaneous, playing mostly off audience requests. The atmosphere was very intimate and even conversational at times. His one-of-a-kind voice still sounds exactly the same as it did when I first heard it 30 years ago, though he has lost a note or two on the top end. "On The Border" was melodically reworked so that he didn't have to tackle the bridge's high notes, but this isn't a complaint - he sounded great, and the only acoustic player I've seen with more mastery is Richard Thompson (who he talked about working with back in the 60's). Roads To Moscow, Time Passages, Life In Dark Water, Palace of Versailles were some of the highlights - he reinvented Year of the Cat, giving it a Heard It Through the Grapevine intro and closing and shifting the rhythm a bit. What made each song even more enjoyable was the introduction/explanation he gave with intelligence and humor. Since I'd had a busy week I was debating taking last night off and just chilling out. I'm certainly happy that I went to see Al and encourage anyone else to catch him should he come around - and thanks to Mike for the re-introduction. 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Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > I am a lonely Painter > I live in a Box of Paints > I'm frightened by the devil > But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... > > Jamie Zubairi can be found at > > http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 > and > http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:15:18 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: Myspace njc Yes. http://www.myspace.com/westchamp which will introduce Michael Tolcher to those who do not know him and you will find Joni mentioned. (theRev)Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Garret" > Does anyone use myspace? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:56:01 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: republican mysteries NJC >La Vanguardia http://www.lavanguardia.es/web/ > >'Bush names the star of Fox TV, the ultraconservative news channel, as his >new >spokesman'. This is an interesting conclusion... Fox TV....ULTRACONSERVATIVE news channel ? If it would had read..the conservative news channel... I wouldn't have given it a second thought. Bree ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:00:13 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: This JUST in!! (now njc) Oh Paz!!! This is so exciting!!! Sorry I can't stream radio either at work or at home but I will be listening in spirit my friend!!! Please keep me posted!!!!! So exciting!! Live my friend! Live!!!! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: Hi Everybody Tune in over the next two weeks and watch us work at the 2006 NOJHF. Here is the info below on what' we are doing. I will be the stage manager on most of these bands listed below. Watch for me upstage or in the wings as I do my thing. I am so excited it is going to be a gas. To top it off I get to go to HOB tomorrow night to see my buddy Eric Johnson open for Joe Satriani. Then over to Tips to do the 3rd of the Putomayo series. 3 Brass bands. Tune in to that at www.tipitinas.com Happy Jazz Fest ya'll. Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:25:30 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: freedom njc > "Freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion, non-discrimination, free elections" < sometimes I think we toss around this freedom word without really thinking much about what it means... as life as we know it continues towards corporatization the divide the divide between the haves (or have mores as bush would gloat) & have nots continues to grow, I think the term 'freedom' deserves more dissection... if you are poor theoretically you have the same freedoms but in reality you don't- the justice system is one glaring example of how that works... the poor end up in prisons, the wealthy can buy their way out ... where is the freedom in that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:33:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc, I'm the Decider >..but we are the world's superpower.. so can't we be engaged on more than just one front?< random thoughts= this administration can't even engage on one front... it is common knowledge that our troops were sent into harms way without the proper protection... being the world's superpower comes with immense responsibility... a word this administration has no clue about... the predictions are that china will soon rival our claim to being a superpower... that is if we don't destroy our planet with irreversible pollution or nuclear fallout ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:36:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: on the outside looking in NJC >No, I am not saying that I know everything about America and how and why it works (ack, does anyone???)< Right on mags... there are many who live in the usa who have very little knowledge of what is going on within our borders... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: republican mysteries NJC PC - --- kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I was just saying we are positive in many ways and > not all horrible and bad > as some would love to believe. And who are these people who think the U.S. is ALL horrible and bad? Once again the Repub loves this country and anyone who sees anything wrong with what the Bushies are doing does not love this country. Jeeezz that simplistic, smug, self-serving, we love the country and you don't, insulting Republican way of thinking is so annoying! Rather than respond to the list of facts I wrote about what the Bushies are doing to harm this country, you get a big controversy started about who's entitled to talk about the U.S. I wrote out facts, Kakki, what Bush said, what Bush did. If you can't ignore my commentary about some of those facts, I'll send you a list without that, but since you have no evidence to counter those facts, I expect you'd just ignore the list again. Distraction is a basic propaganda technique. A second one is mentioning big concepts such as "patriotism" or "freedom", which are so complex they mean something different to everyone, and then the discussion gets so fuzzy people lose track of what the original discussion was about. Since there's no focus, there's no resolution to aim for, and then people start getting upset with each other, and usually don't even know why. Look at how effective those two techniques have been here on our little list. Those are the main techniques the Repubs use. It's how they do their dirty deeds and still get elected. Rather than look at the unpleasant facts, they cause controversy about side issues. Meanwhile problems get even bigger, the Repubs continue on their dirty way, and concerned people are upset with each other and have no focused way to fix those problems. The Repubs say "Problems? What problems?" Meanwhile the Bushies think nuking another country is a good idea. A simple clearcut example of the effectiveness of the Bushies' use of distraction is their emphasis on who sent Joe Wilson to Niger. They put the attention on that side issue so the fact of what he found out there can be ignored. It does amaze me that the Repubs think of themselves as so patriotic when they are actually doing this country in. Being the "most patriotic" is another one of their myths, similar to fiscal responsibility, state's rights, appreciation of the military, no nation building... If I did not love this country, why would I be upset about the way the Bushies are destroying the U.S. and its ideals? I'm upset. I wrote out a list of things the Bushies are doing that I'm upset about. Knowing the history of this country, I expect all the Founders are upset, wherever they are. You're not upset, Kakki. Why are you so happy with all those things the Bushies are doing that are harming this country and its people? (And the world, which concerns me, but obviously not you.) > I can't speak to > Debra and the others' > opinions. You refuse to speak to facts that don't fit your assumptions. Why is that? > They are set in their opinions and it > serves no purpose to try to > persuade them otherwise. Again, since it serves your purpose to NOT understand this, I wrote out a list of FACTS. What Bush said. What Bush did. You can dismiss them as mere opinions if you wish, but doing that makes your blindness obvious. That's your choice. But you're certainly not changing my mind that way! And look at how you try to make that MY problem! LOL! Whine and insult and distract all you want, Kakki. I am not impressed. > They believe they are 1000 > percent correct. That's just nasty so I'm going to ignore that. > But > again it is just their opinions, interpretations and > perceptions and not the > end all and be all summary assessment of "what is > happening in the USA." Whatever any one person says is never the entire story about anything! No one said it is. Not everyone reduces complexity to a simple incorrect self-serving assumption, as you do. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:14:16 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, March for Peace, Justice & Democracy Querido Joniamigos: In case anyone is interested, here is an announcement about the Peace March tomorrow in NYC. Love, Patti P., "....racing away....." March for Peace, Justice & Democracy April 29, New York City Assemble: 20th St. (east of B'way): 10:30 a.m. - Noon March!: Noon - 1:00 p.m. Festival!: 1:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. Dear Friend of Working Assets, Americans of all stripes who want to end the war in Iraq are encouraged to show up in New York City for what could be one of the largest anti-war gatherings since the war began. Bring your noisemakers, sun-hats, friends, children, parents and neighbors to an upbeat march and festival opposing the war. Join us on East 20th St., just East of Broadway (approach from the east to avoid blocked-off streets) from 10:30 a.m. to Noon where we'll be gathering together and handing out free signs printed especially for Saturday's march. Led by United for Peace and Justice, the march and festival has brought together an impressive coalition of peace, social justice, labor, immigrant, faith based, environmental and other groups including: Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, National Organization for Women, Friends of the Earth, U.S. Labor Against the War, Climate Crisis Coalition, People's Hurricane Relief Fund, National Youth and Student Peace Coalition, and Veterans For Peace. At noon, we'll set off down Broadway, part of an expected 100,000-strong mass of Americans committed to ending this disastrous and destabilizing war. The march will culminate in an action-oriented grassroots festival in Foley Square from 1:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. designed to connect those who attend the protest with a wide array of organizations and campaigns. At the festival, you'll find leaflets, how-to guides, activist toolkits, and other resources and learn more about how you can plug into the many efforts underway to bring the troops home. Please join us and other peace & justice-loving Americans this coming Saturday, April 29 for this historic outpouring of resistance. Meet us on 20th St. (just east of Broadway) to get your sign. Then march down Broadway and enjoy an afternoon in the park learning how to more effectively stand up against the war. Find more details, including an opportunity to volunteer at the event and reserve an anti-war sign at www.workingassets.com/april29 Sincerely, Will Easton Manager ActForChange.com/ Working Assets ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: freedom njc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > "Freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of > religion, > non-discrimination, free elections" < > > sometimes I think we toss around this freedom word > without really thinking > much about what it means... Another synchro alert! I was just thinking and posting about this. Be careful out there, Kate, regarding what you're thinking about. It's powerful enough to jump across the country, even without the computer! LOL! Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, March for Peace, Justice & Democracy Hi Patti, its on Saturday, no? :) - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Querido Joniamigos: > > In case anyone is interested, here is an announcement about the Peace > March > tomorrow in NYC. > > Love, > > Patti P., "....racing away....." > > > March for Peace, Justice & Democracy > > April 29, New York City > > Assemble: 20th St. (east of B'way): 10:30 a.m. - Noon > March!: Noon - 1:00 p.m. > Festival!: 1:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:43:05 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, March for Peace, Justice & Democracy >Hi Patti, its on Saturday, no? >:) Duh! Oui, oui! Thanks, Em! I thought today was Friday! Wishful thinking, I guess. Just shows how crazy I've been lately...."I told you when I met you....". Love, Patti P., racing off to our undergrad awards reception that I'm in charge of....yikes! >--- Patti Parlette wrote: > > > Querido Joniamigos: > > > > In case anyone is interested, here is an announcement about the Peace > > March > > tomorrow in NYC. > > > > Love, > > > > Patti P., "....racing away....." > > > > > > March for Peace, Justice & Democracy > > > > April 29, New York City > > > > Assemble: 20th St. (east of B'way): 10:30 a.m. - Noon > > March!: Noon - 1:00 p.m. > > Festival!: 1:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: on the outside looking in NJC kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: a very misguided Kakki wrote: That was your individual experience, Mags. I could have also gone and lived in Canada or another country or even another state for a few years and might have been unfortunate to be around people who used "paranoia as a tactic of control. " You have mentioned many times your horror that we are starting to ask to see passports from people from Canada and how you felt like you were in Nazi Germany because your papers were reviewed at some checkpoint. That personally sounded a little paranoid to me. I'm asked to show my passport when I've gone to Canada and rountinely traveling to other countries outside the U.S. Why is it such an unusual thing if the U.S. asks for it? ***** what kind of bullshit is this Kakki???????? I NEVER said anything about Nazi Germany ... wtf??????????? and it is my perogative to say that I dont like having to show a passport to the US border guards.. I repeat, I NEVER said anything about Nazi Germany. Ever. STepping on some tender territory there Kakki. Mags, VERY surprised at Kakki for making such an accusation. let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ I'll keep on moving Things are bound to be improving these days These days- These days I sit on corner stones And count the time in quarter tones to ten, my friend Don't confront me with my failures I had not forgotten them ~jackson browne~ - --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2"/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:58:18 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: art (njc) Thanks for the links, Anne. I'm not sure exactly where I got the following art link from originally but I am awed by it each time I watch these videos. http://www.sandfantasy.com/videoclips/videoclips.htm Some of them are very intricate, others a little more simple but all showcase a terrific talent. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: on the outside looking in NJC PC - --- Mark Scott wrote: > Why would any of > the people on this list who live outside of the US > *want* to comment on > their views of the US? Well, maybe because what the U.S. does affects THEIR life, and yet they don't even have the right to vote, and if they wrote about their concerns to members of the U.S. Congress, it's unlikely those letters would get any attention. > How much discussion do we > see here of the politics > of, oh say, Great Britain for example? If Tony Blair was talking about nuking a site a couple hours away from NYC, I think I'd be welcoming ANY information I could get about what's happening in Great Britain. > How would we feel if one > of those nationalities decided to fill the list up > with post after > voluminous post about the political situation in > *their* country? Again, if it was a country affecting my life, I'd want information from any and all sources. Do you not realize the influence the U.S. has on the world? Of course, that doesn't mean everyone in the world wants info about what U.S. citizens are thinking, but some do and some don't. It's obvious some people in the U.S. aren't concerned about what's going on either. In the next 5 years or so, you'll probably find yourself a lot more curious about China than you (or most people in the U.S.) are now. To be fair about it, Mark, maybe your dislike is that the info is on the joni/music list, rather than an unwillingness to think about what the Bushies are doing. I can understand that. As has happened many times before, this political talk will wind down until something else happens that gets it going again. If Joni was going on tour, or doing something equally exciting, the emphasis would be more on that. Her "Beginnings of Survival" lets me know she's concerned about what's happening politically these days. > It seems to me > that many people in the US feel awfully > self-important in many ways Hmm, what's that about? Does being worried about the Bushies' destructive policies equal feeling self-important? Debra Shea, in NYC NPIMH: ... it made most people nervous, they just didn't want to know... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #163 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------