From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #162 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 27 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 162 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Welcome To Asbury Park njc [Catherine McKay ] Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] on the outside looking in NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: on the outside looking in NJC ["Mark Scott" ] Re: on the outside looking in NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: on the outside looking in NJC [vince ] Oh Wow, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Talbot, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Welcome To Asbury Park njc This is good to hear. "Devils and dust" was a bit of a disappointment (to me, anyway.) - --- "Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu)" wrote: > Holy Taylor Ham! That's an awesome link, Rose. As > the prophet Lama foretold, the Boss is back on top. > > I bought "We Shall Overcome- The Seeger Sessions" > today. It's been on infinite repeat all afternoon > at > work. It's my favorite Springsteen album in, > probably, 15 years. > > By the way, this is a DualDisc and Best Buy is > selling > it for $11.99, for a limited time. I can't wait to > get home and shake the rafters with the DVD side. > > **Don't miss** this one, ya'll. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > > > It was an awesome day....priceless event > > enjoy! > > http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1887925 > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:49:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC I tell ya, every week that I post includes a retraction of some kind. Sigh. Okay, I stand corrected. It's "Hell In a Bucket". I don't get the details right but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Jim JR in NH said, >Actually, it's not Touch of Grey, but Hell in a Bucket, from the same album, 1987's In the Dark. "There may come a day when I will dance on your grave, If unable to dance I'll still crawl across it, If unable to dance I'll still crawl, If unable to dance, I'll crawl" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:31:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: republican mysteries NJC If this isn't a private discussion, I'll chime in. If I understand the thread correctly, Mike thinks personal liberties are fading fast and I don't agree. The US has some serious problems right now, I'll grant you that. We think of ourselves as a moral people yet our present administration has been dreaming up ways to avoid basic international behavior like obeying the Geneva Convention. On the other hand, freedom of speech for those inside the country has more venues than ever, thanks to the internet. (You counter with the wiretap deal. Sigh. The problem is that we have computers so powerful and implanted that the intelligence community tries to snag the word "bomb" from the ether 24 hours a day. Our government is required by law to get warrants for when they "lock" into a conversation. There are people trying to force the Administration to obey the law. Democracy is an imperfect seesaw battle. There are always excesses and there are always watchdogs on their heels. This isn't a utopia where everyone follows the rules or even sees them the same way.) The press is always playing a cat-and-mouse game with the Executive Branch. Most recently, the President took his new press secretary to the Press pool. He said something like, "My new appointee has been a correspondent for Fox News. He knows many of you in this room. Yet, he agreed to be my press secretary ANYWAY." Although some people laughed, this is the kind of aggressive "humor" that many, many Administrations (from both sides of the aisle) have been using all of my life. It was telling that, after the President and his new secretary made the announcement, they ignored the shouted questions, turned away and left. The Press is anything but muzzled in this country. They're more like the paparazzi who contributed to the car wreck for the Princess of Wales. They're despised by many and tolerated by all. Freedom of religion is not under fire in any meaningful way that I can think of. Non-discrimination is also on pretty solid ground. Both the white and black people I work with are home owners. Four US presidents showed their respect when Ms. King (the widow of a civil rights organizer) passed away. The US has some very serious issues but, in my opinion, they are international and fiscal. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu >>Mike, do you really think you know conclusively what is "happening in the U "Freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion, non-discrimination, free elections" Given what's been happening recently in the US, do you really think these reflect present-day US values, or are they goals to be achieved one day in the future, or memories of a golden age in the past?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:21:38 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #161 Hi Vince, I'm a JMDL old timer but mostly lurking (when not ignoring) for a long time now.... What would you consider the authoritative SAL track listing? The LP? I can provide you with that list if that's what you mean. ChuckE On Wednesday, April 26, 2006, at 08:03 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > vlucas@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:47:17 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: on the outside looking in NJC >>to make an assumption that Mike or anyone, cannot speak to the issues raised about the US is a bit curious to me. Just an observer here but I don't see the point of this email to Kakki. What is curious to me is how does an assumption about an assumption make anything clearer? It would seem to me that confuses things even more since email to begin with is wide open to misinterpretation. I go to Georgia State University every day. I think I can say with pretty good certainty that I know more about what is happening at Georgia State than other people on the list who live outside of Georgia. Within Georgia State, there is little evidence of what is happening at Whole Foods Market, a few miles away. But I've been to Whole Foods before(I've worked there for three years) and I know a hell of a lot more about Whole Foods than I did before... Now just maybe, Smurf in up in New England, knows a bit about Georgia State University. I hope it doesn't offend you Smurf, that I know more as a student who attends the university, than you do up in New England. For that matter, there is little evidence with Georgia State University about what goes on in New England...despite that I am not Bostonian, I did visit there for a time and did gain a certain perspective that I did not have prior to(again, my humble opinion is formed by this southern boy's life on the inside of Smurf's apartment...:) ) No I am not saying I know everything about New England and how it works(ack, does anyone?), but I sure as hell know a lot more than I did, and I can speak to that, especially getting lost in downtown Boston as a means of control ( the police were busy shooting liberals in the main tunnel...) Anyway, this reminds me of the twilight zone episode "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street" where people are randomly losing power and begin suspecting each other of causing the power outage till a riot erupts and someone gets shot and killed and complete chaos ensues... Victor, glad to almost finished with my first year of music school (though looking forward to the next one) > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: mags h > Subject: on the outside looking in NJC > > Kakki wrote to Meic in Barcelona...: > > Mike, do you really think you know conclusively what is > "happening in > the > U.S.?" I would never assume to be an expert or all knowledgeable > about > what > is happening in Spain or France or any country, even my own sometimes! > But I > would believe I know more as a native than someone who is not and who > has no > real experience of my country. > > > INformed entirely with my very own most humble opinion; oh this > one touches a nerve in me, perhaps because I feel the need to > defend my own countryman ;-) Meic. (hail to wails ;-) ... Alas and > alack. Must we qualify our opinions of the US by living IN the US? > Wow. Full stop on that one. > > despite the fact that I am not an American, I did live there for > a time, and did gain a certain perspective that I did not have > prior to. (again, my humble opinion is informed by this Canadian's > life on the inside). No, I am not saying that I know everything > about America and how and why it works (ack, does anyone???) , but > I sure as hell know a lot more than I did, and I can speak to that, > especially paranoia as a tactic of control. > > > No kidding Kakki, that you wouldnt have any knowlege of other > countries, because there is little evidence within the walls of the > US media of the existence, for example....of the country north of > your own border, Canada. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:12:15 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: on the outside looking in NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mags h" > No kidding Kakki, that you wouldnt have any knowlege of other countries, > because there is little evidence within the walls of the US media of the > existence, for example....of the country north of your own border, Canada. Ok, in the same vein, here's one for you all to chew on. Why would any of the people on this list who live outside of the US *want* to comment on their views of the US? How much discussion do we see here of the politics of, oh say, Great Britain for example? Granted, the most vocal people here are pre-dominantly from the US but there is a significant contingency of people from the UK who post on a regular basis. We also have more than one member from Australia *and Canada* {{{Magsie}}}. How would we feel if one of those nationalities decided to fill the list up with post after voluminous post about the political situation in *their* country? And yes, we do have the option to scroll and delete but jaysus, i'm sure glad I'm not on digest and not wanting to read about American politics! It seems to me that many people in the US feel awfully self-important in many ways and I wonder if the the JMDL, which is an *international* community reflects that attitude. Mark in the Emerald City awfully glad Richard Flynn debunked that silliness about L. Frank Baum writing populist propaganda. ...oh bar fight, tar fight Political fight's what they like alright Twist those crazy words around I shouldn't have got in this fight tonight..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:25:44 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: on the outside looking in NJC > And yes, we do have the option to scroll and delete but jaysus, i'm sure glad I'm not > on digest and not wanting to read about American politics! It seems to me > that many people in the US feel awfully self-important in many ways Excellent points, Mark! Although I am often a contributor to the American political discussion threads, you are absolutely right on. I'll be taking a break from all of that, starting right now. And I LOVE this: > ...oh bar fight, tar fight > Political fight's what they like alright > Twist those crazy words around > I shouldn't have got in this fight tonight..... : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:59:18 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: on the outside looking in NJC Mark Scott wrote: > How would we feel if one of those nationalities decided to fill the > list up with post after voluminous post about the political situation > in *their* country? I wish they would. I do the best I can. I listen to BBC several hours a day and have a great friend in Mexico who gives me almost daily updates on non US news and thinking. And that is not anywhere enough. Mike in Barcelona, Laurent, have been very helpful but do not post as much as I wish they would. And that goes for every citizen of a country other than mine. The more perspectives, the more education, the more we get taken out of the parochialism that Mark rightly warns us against. (theRev)Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:23:50 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Oh Wow, njc _Oh Wow _ (http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/17/oh-wow/) By Ian Welsh Guest Post by _Ian Welsh_ (http://www.agonist.org/) Ibm in the odd position of being a Canadian who does most of his blogging on American politics for US blogs. Itbs a kafkaesque exercise at times, and the recent Iran mess has reminded me yet again, that to a foreigner, the US really is bthrough the looking glassb. Because to me the conversation on Iran isnbt sane. In fact, the idea of bombing Iran, either large scale conventionally, or, even worse, with nukes, is one Ibm astounded is even being considered. Letbs deal with the specifics from one Canadianbs point of view. First: bombing a country is a declaration of war and Iran will react to it as such. To meaningfully damage the Iranian nuclear effort will require massive bombing. This isnbt one pinpoint attack. Oil will soar to $150 a barrel or so, your economy will crater, so will everyone elsebs, your allies will abandon you and you will be all by yourselves. And people wonbt blame the Iranians, they will blame you. Second: Proponents of bombing Iran spend a lot of time talking about how Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. Iran doesnbt sponsor terror against the US, at least not recently. You do this, thatbll change. You do this, you will come to see 9/11 as the good olb days when you only lost a couple thousand people, because not only is Iran a State sponsor of terrorism b they are very very good at it and there is every reason to believe they have cells in the US. And we havenbt even talked about the fact that even if most Americans donbt know it, most foreigners are well aware that the US is, itself, a huge state sponsor of terrorism. Third: A lot of this is being driven by the fact that Iran does sponsor terrorism against Israel and that Iranian nukes will threaten Israel (note that they will not threaten the US directly.) Israel is the nation which spies most on the US. They are not your friend, whatever you may think. Of course, given the power of the Israeli lobby, and the specter of being called an anti-semite, no one is willing to say this. Let the Israelis deal with their own damn problems, itbs their bed, let them lie in it. Fourth: Bush brought this on America by invading Iraq. The lesson of Iraq is this: if you have nukes you wonbt get invaded. If you donbt, the US will (compare and contrast: North Korea/Iraq). Iran is acting entirley rationally. Fifth: I think Canada should have nukes, because I know you invaded Iraq based on lies. I donbt want Iran to have nukes, but if I were the mullahs Ibd be doing the exact same thing. The Mullahs arenbt nuts b theybre acting in self preservation. I know why theybre doing what theybre doing and it is perfectly 100% rational Sixth: I have to tell you, that from a foreignerbs point of view, and this is true even in your closest allies (the majority of Britains, for example) you are a rogue nation. You invade people based on lies. You have no credibility on Iran. You are the boy who cried Wolf. You donbt obey the Geneva conventions. You have secret prisons. You torture people, including the citizens of your allies. You have abolished habeas corpus for classes of people. You kidnap foreigners and secretly ship them off to be tortured. You have endorsed Bush bs war crimes b crimes for which Americans hung Nazis who had been in no way involved the with the Holocaust. You could produce pictures of nukes and missiles and half the world wouldnbt believe you. Even if we did believe you, we donbt care enough to endorse going to war with Iran.. There are only two nations in the world who constantly talk about how theybre willing to nuke people without even being attacked first: The North Koreans - and the UNITED STATES. You gave up the ability to stop countries like Iran from getting nukes when you invaded a country like Iraq which had no nukes and no real possibility of getting them. That was your wad, and you blew it. You chose to be weak. At this point, for you to stop Iran would involve you in a war you cannot win b or at least no victory worth having. You canbt occupy Iran, so are you going to really glass Tehran or the entire country? Do you know what the world reaction would be? Do you know what would happen to the dollar? Are you out of your minds? Why is this even being discussed? And why is it that I canbt simply dismiss it as diplomatic posturing? When did the US step through the looking glass? When did insanity become reasonable? _http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/17/oh-wow/_ (http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/17/oh-wow/) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:35:37 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Talbot, njc (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=f6eu7ubab.0.bxg6tnbab.me95s8n6.2216&p=http://www.joh nmichaeltalbot.com) "Monk Rock" Review Monk Rock is the new CD by Catholic music legend John Michael Talbot. Talbot is a former rock bn roller from 20 plus years back and was in the band Mason Profitt with his brother before turning his life and music around to a more monastic setting. With this CD Talbot has picked up his old electric guitar and explored his roots while maintaining prayerful lyrics. Monk Rock lets you know where it stands right off with the first track "One Body In Christ." In it you hear many different influences, from the Moody Blues to CSN, it even has a riff taken from The Who. The song is an awesome way to start the CD and lyrically letbs you know we are all God's children. "Kyrie" is a cover of the Kyrie Eleison prayer (Lord Have Mercy.) This has more of a Talbot style vocal with floating electric guitar riffs almost like Stevie Ray Vaughan. Itbs backed up by a multi-track vocal choir (JMT explains how he pulled that one off). Talbot also sings the "Te Deum," (also sometimes called the Ambrosian Hymn because of its association with St.Ambrose) a traditional hymn of joy and thanksgiving. The guitar here is reminiscent of Jimi Hendrix with a little country thrown in. "Credo," which is the Apostle's Creed, comes alive with a reggae sound from Bob Marley and the Wailers, while "Gloria" does so with a Latin American beat of early Santana or the Doobie Brothers. Talbot really lets loose on "Proclaim The Mystery," a rockinb song that puts music to the words spoken during the narration of the Last Supper. This song shows what kind of guitarist Talbot really is. Monk Rock is John Michael Talbot's 48th release and with the originality of this CD, one looks forward to many more. - - Doug Archer _www.CatholicMusicNetwork.Com_ (http://www.CatholicMusicNetwork.Com) Northeast Concert Schedule (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=f6eu7ubab.0.bxg6tnbab.me95s8n6.2216&p=http://www.joh nmichaeltalbot.com) Elizabethtown, PA: 4/27/2006 at 7:00 PM Elizabethtown Brethren in Christ 906 E. High St. Tickets: 717-367-1360Ashland, PA: 4/28/2006 at 7:00 PM Cardinal Brennan High School 130 Academy Rd. Tickets: 570-875-1521 Archbald, PA: 4/30/2006 at 7:00 PM St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Church 411 Church St. Tickets: 570-343-0011 Providence, RI: 5/5/2006 at 7:00 PM Rhode Island Convention Center 1 Sabin St. Tickets: 401-231-0074 Medway, MA: 5/6/2006 at 7:30 PM Marian Community 154 Summer St, PO Box 639 Tickets: 508-533-5377 Shrewsbury, MA: 5/7/2006 at 7:00 PM St. John's HS Gym 378 Main St. Tickets: 508-829-5845 Fair Lawn, NJ: 5/8/2006 at 8:00 PM St. Anne's Catholic Church 15-05 St Anne St. Tickets: 201-791-1616 Bensalem, PA: 5/10/2006 at 7:00 PM St. Ephrem Parish 5400 Hulmeville Rd. Tickets: 215-245-1698 Mineola, NY: 5/11/2006 at 7:30 PM Chaminade High School 340 Jackson Ave. Tickets: 516-812-6102 Dover, DE: 5/12/2006 at 7:00 PM Church of the Holy Cross 631 South State St. Tickets: 302-741-2336 Memphis, TN: 5/15/2006 at 7:00 PM Church of the Holy Spirit 2300 Hickory Crest Dr. Tickets: 901-754-7146 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #162 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------