From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #159 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 25 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 159 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC [dsknyc05 ] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["Randy Remote" ] RE: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] njc, Freedom of Speech '06 Tour ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: decisions, njc PC [dsknyc05 ] RE: decisions, njc PC ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: njc, I'm the Decider [dsknyc05 ] Re: NJC, POL [Smurf ] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC [dsknyc05 ] Re: NJC, POL now KOC & EII [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Re: NJC, POL [kenevans@umich.edu] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Ian Shaw's Barangrill [Gertus@aol.com] NJC Bob Dylan on XM - Preview Stream [Bob Muller ] Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Re: NJC, Keef [Bob Muller ] Just a thought or two from Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: NJC Bob Dylan on XM - Preview Stream [Em ] Shoah remembrance - njc [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight > ..you all would be dancing > in the streets tomorrow. Are you kidding? And make Cheney the official president? That's the last thing "you all" would want! Bree, are you so shaken up by the idea of our president being a sociopath that you've lost all commonsense?! Looks like it. All your farflung sarcasm is not convincing me of anything. (And you're better than that, so cut it out -- I know, how annoying is it for me to say that?! lots probably. I'm saying it anyway.) No, I'll be dancing in the streets when the Democrats get the majority of at least one house of Congress this November, dancing for days if it's both, and I'm not even interested in trying to impeach Bush and Cheney. That's too soft. I think trials for war crimes and murder once they're out of office is more appropriate. At least half the people in the country, and closer to 3/4ths if polls continue downward as more of the truth comes out, would sign on to that class action suit. First, though, the messes made by these Repubs will have to be cleaned up, and that will need to be done before putting any energy or time toward seeking punishment. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:09:16 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC I've been trying so hard to stay out of this discussion... and then you had to go and bring up Oz.... The munchkins were the little people...they were certainly not celebrating death, per se, they were (quite naturally) rejoicing in the removal of a sadistic and oppressive tyrant! RR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" > It just hit me...the most sociopathic manipulation EVER to be perpetrated > on the masses. > Yes..ding dong the witch is dead the which old witch the wicked witch is > dead..ding dong the wicked witch is dead... > Oh my....and to think I sang that song so happily and gleefully with all > the other sociopaths... > I mean we were happy the bad (guy)witch met her fate...and along with > Dorothy and the Munchkins we were actually glad ..gleefully happy that she > ..well..DIED. > I'll sleep like a baby... > goodnight for good this time... > Bree PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be > dancing in the streets tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:42:12 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: RE: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Original Message: - ----------------- From: Richard Flynn rflynn@frontiernet.net Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:17:19 -0400 To: bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org, treegreen1@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC >I think if Bush died we would all be in shock and would mourn him in the same way we >would any President who dies in office. Shrub would be mourned the same way JFK was? You can't POSSIBLY be serious. J/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:56:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Freedom of Speech '06 Tour this just in, from a friend.... Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young to Launch "Freedom Of Speech '06" -- Their First Tour in Four Years -- With a July 6 Date in Philadelphia Produced by The Next Adventure, Live Nation Company, the North American Itinerary Runs Through Mid-September and Encompasses Dates in Over Thirty Cities; Concerts Will Debut Songs From Neil Young's Politically Charged New Album "Living With War" LOS ANGELES, CA -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 04/25/2006 -- Legendary rock and roll supergroup Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young (CSNY) have just announced "Freedom Of Speech '06," the quartet's first road adventure together since 2002. A tour of North America, the more than two month-long itinerary kicks off July 6 in the City of Brotherly Love -- a fitting starting point for these four longtime friends and collaborators -- with a concert at Philadelphia, PA's Tweeter Center. Other highlights include Denver, CO's Red Rocks on July 17, California dates at Concord's Chronicle Pavilion on July 25 and the Hollywood Bowl on July 31, and on the East Coast, an August 22 show at Jones Beach. Canadian dates include a July 10 engagement at Toronto's Air Canada Centre. Billed as "An Evening With Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young," Freedom Of Speech '06 will tour with no opening act, and the shows will spotlight an extended set from CSNY, as in their past outings. Repertoire will include their classic work together, as well as favorites from their storied individual careers. With these iconic singer-songwriters' reputations for outspoken dialogue, social activism, lyrical expression, musical virtuosity and artistic integrity, Freedom Of Speech '06 is certain to ring loud and clear and passionately. In what couldn't be a more timely or fitting presentation, music from Neil Young's just-announced forthcoming album "Living With War" will make its concert debut during the reunited group's Freedom Of Speech '06 tour. All four members of CSNY, who have a long history of politically charged music including the Kent State-themed anthem "Ohio," believe that in light of the current environment, it's time for them to be out on the road fighting for America, and for people's rights to stand and be counted. During an interview with CNN last week, Young said, "There's a conscience in the country, and I don't think it's being spoken. Everyone deserves a chance to be heard... We don't have to believe what our president believes to be patriotic." A stone-cold politically skewed classic, "Living With War" questions, comments and gives voice to thoughts and feelings about the war and the administration that will open up dialogue among countless Americans with songs including "Shock And Awe," "Flags Of Freedom," "Looking For A Leader" and the title track. Produced by The Next Adventure (a Live Nation Company), Freedom Of Speech '06 runs through mid-September, visiting more than thirty major cities nationwide; additional dates are still being confirmed. Shows will go on sale beginning this coming weekend in Detroit, Washington, Seattle, Portland, Concord, Holmdel, Wantagh, and Winnipeg, with additional cities' on-sale announcements following in the next few weeks. Tickets will range from $35.00 through $125.00, with a limited number of gold circle tickets available. Members of the CSNY fan club will have a special pre-sale period prior to the public on-sale dates. Freedom Of Speech '06 is CSNY's third tour of the new millennium, following up their historic 2000 reunion tour -- their first since 1974 -- and 2002's Tour of America. CSNY's almost four decades long musical connection is one of the most influential and enduring collaborations in contemporary music. When they first came together as a quartet in 1969, each member brought to the partnership a pedigree from another formidable band -- Crosby from The Byrds, Nash from The Hollies, and Stills and Young from The Buffalo Springfield -- and their synergy as a group brought them to new heights. CSNY's historic 1969 performance at the original Woodstock festival caused them to be called the "voice of a generation," and the foursome's 1970 debut LP "Dij` Vu" hit #1 and delivered timeless classics including Crosby's "Almost Cut My Hair," Stills' "Carry On," Nash's "Teach Your Children," and Young's "Helpless." CSNY's recorded output also includes "4-Way Street" (1971), "American Dream" (1988) and "Looking Forward" (1999). Freedom Of Speech '06, launching July 6, is a rare opportunity to see four of rock music's most important figures on the same stage, raising their voices together in song -- exercising their own free speech and inviting yours as they unite to be heard in the largest possible forum. Live Nation is a leading live content and distribution company focused on creating superior experiences for artists, performers, corporations and fans. Live Nation owns, operates or has booking rights for 150 venues worldwide and promoted or produced over 28,500 events in 2005. Live Nation is headquartered in Los Angeles, California. Live Nation is listed on The New York Stock Exchange. For more information regarding Live Nation and its businesses, please visit the company's web site at www.livenation.com. For Official CSNY Tour, Ticket and Fan Club information, visit www.csny.com Tour dates: July 06 Philadelphia, PA Tweeter Center July 08 Ottawa, ON Scotiabank Place July 10 Toronto, ON Air Canada Centre July 14 Winnipeg, MB MTS Centre July 15 Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN Venue to be announced July 17 Denver, CO Red Rocks July 20 Phoenix, AZ Cricket Pavilion July 23 Fresno, CA Save Mart Centre July 25 Concord, CA Chronicle Pavilion July 27 Seattle, WA White River Amphitheatre July 28 Portland, OR Clark County Amphitheatre July 30 Irvine, CA Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre July 31 Los Angeles, CA Hollywood Bowl Aug 08 West Palm Beach, FL Sound Advice Amphitheatre Aug 10 Atlanta, GA Philips Arena Aug 12 Washington, DC Nissan Pavilion Aug 15 Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun Aug 16 Boston, MA Tweeter Center Aug 19 Saratoga, NY Saratoga Performing Arts Center Aug 20 Holmdel, NJ PNC Bank Arts Center Aug 22 Wantagh, NY Nikon at Jones Beach Amp. Aug 25 Hershey, PA Hersheypark Stadium Aug 29 Columbus, OH Germain Amphitheater Aug 31 Detroit, MI The Palace at Auburn Hills Sep 02 Indianapolis, IN Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Sep 03 Chicago, IL First Midwest Bank Sep 06 Milwaukee, WI Marcus Amphitheater Sep 07 St. Louis, MO UMB Pavilion Sep 10 Pittsburgh, PA Post-Gazette Pavilion Additional show dates to be confirmed. Check local listings for specific on sale dates & times. SOURCE: Jensen Communications Love, Patti P., who just bought tix for Wantagh NY before knowing they'd be in her backyard in Uncasville CT. "Maybe I'll go to Amsterdam/Wantagh, or maybe I'll go to Rome/Uncasville..." I am the only one in flip city over this tour? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: RE: decisions, njc PC - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Psychoanalysis of Clinton would be interesting I > agree... my own take on > Clinton is that he is a sexoholic... I think he > needs help too! And he thinks so, too! He and Hillary were in couples therapy for over a year, and I think he was seeing a therapist even longer. I've heard him talk openly about it. Someone told me he and they were seeing the therapist at least twice a week. I admire people who see there's a problem and make the effort to improve and learn and get better. Therapy is not the only way to do that, of course, but it seems to have helped the Clintons. That's the complete opposite of Bush, who basically shut down, and his problems squeak out in all sorts of destructive ways. There have been several books written about Clinton's psychology, which I've seen interviews about but haven't read myself. The main influences on him are coming from an alcoholic home, with abuse from his father? stepfather? -- can't remember now, his obsessive need to be liked, which probably adds to his charisma since he pays such close attention to people he's talking to, and his extremely high intelligence. Quite a mixed bag, as most people are. > fyi I was > disgusted at Clinton's behaviors (but disgusted with > impeachment efforts > more)... I was disgusted at his personal behavior, too, but it did not deserve impeachment. It's even more disgusting to hear Repubs get so incensed about "the lie" Clinton made about a personal matter when forced to testify, and yet those same Repubs now think it's okay and make all sorts of excuses for the massive lies now being told that are getting people killed. > most importantly, Clinton is not in power > right now & starting what > could be ww3 Exactly right! But Repubs always mention Clinton when there's no good backing for their arguments. It's one of their main distraction techniques, which fools only them. Once a Repub mentions Clinton as one of their excuses for whatever the Bushies are doing, I know they don't have nothin' argument-wise and I can stop listening. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:04:45 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: RE: decisions, njc PC Original Message: - ----------------- From: dsknyc05 dsknyc05@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:58:51 -0700 (PDT) To: kate@katebennett.com, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: decisions, njc PC >Clinton, and his extremely high intelligence. Whew! No risk of that in the White House these days.... J/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:54 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Okay...Randy..now you are getting the point. >I've been trying so hard to stay out of this discussion... >and then you had to go and bring up Oz.... > >The munchkins were the little people...they were certainly not >celebrating death, per se, they were (quite naturally) rejoicing >in the removal of a sadistic and oppressive tyrant! >RR > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" > > >>It just hit me...the most sociopathic manipulation EVER to be perpetrated >>on the masses. >>Yes..ding dong the witch is dead the which old witch the wicked witch is >>dead..ding dong the wicked witch is dead... >>Oh my....and to think I sang that song so happily and gleefully with all >>the other sociopaths... > >>I mean we were happy the bad (guy)witch met her fate...and along with >>Dorothy and the Munchkins we were actually glad ..gleefully happy that she >>..well..DIED. >>I'll sleep like a baby... >>goodnight for good this time... >>Bree PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be >>dancing in the streets tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:11:38 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Look ..this discussion came about because Bush had looked gleefully at the dead bodies of the Hussein monster boys....this equals him being a sociopath. I say bullshit! I wish people would just be more honest...come on...I'm not aiming this at you Richard Thanks for your input. Bree >It just hit me...the most sociopathic manipulation EVER to be perpetrated >on > >the masses. > >Yes..ding dong the witch is dead the which old witch the wicked witch is >dead..ding dong the wicked witch is dead... > > >Bree wrote: > > >PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be >dancing > >in the streets tomorrow. >__________________________________________________________________________ > >Bree, I think that this is not true. I think if Bush died we would all be >in shock and would mourn him in the same way we would any President who >dies >in office. > >I was no fan of Reagan, but when he was shot, I was horrified. > >To suggest that this is so is and unfair characterization, indeed a >caricature, of the sentiments of us liberals. > >Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:21:41 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC >PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be >dancing >in the streets tomorrow. __________________________________________________________________________ >>Bree, I think that this is not true. I think if Bush died we would all be >>in shock and would mourn him in the same way we would any President who >>dies >>in office. sorry, I would not mourn him. . . _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:22:35 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC No..Debra..I'm not believing the hypocrisy.... (how pc we have become) Bush is a sociopath because he liked the fact the bad boys were taken out! I was personally very happy when I saw them on the slab....I thought.. job well done! Bree > > PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight > > ..you all would be dancing > > in the streets tomorrow. > >Are you kidding? And make Cheney the official >president? That's the last thing "you all" would >want! Bree, are you so shaken up by the idea of our >president being a sociopath that you've lost all >commonsense?! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:04:30 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: NJC, POL The joni-only list is a great idea for those who only want Joni stuff on the list, but I have always stayed on the main list because there is so much NJC musical content (especially from bob, hi there been a while, steve's ok) to peruse on here. Any chance we could create another designation similar to NJC, let's call it "POL" and have a third list that includes all NJC posts except for ones with the POL designation, which would be applied to all posts that are entirely political? That's the whole reason I've barely been able to sift through the list for the last couple years, there's just too much. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:27:45 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: decisions, njc PC Yeah..and it interesting ..we have never been able to find his school records. There is very little about him and his so called brilliance from his days at Oxford. Bree > >Clinton, and his extremely high intelligence. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:36:03 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Let me get the violinsot....this is an insult??...I'm not buying it.... Come on! Take the mask off for a few minutes...please.. Bree >>I just caught this. > >Please know that I am being incredibly restrained in my anger at reading >such a statement. There is no chance for dialogue when people want to >wallow in their hate while crying about hate. > >I shall choose to believe it was a mistake and that the unnamed (by me) >author did not mean that at all and was horrified to see that sentiment >ttached to her/his name. > >Vince >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be >dancing in the streets tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:45:41 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: RE: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Oh Bree, keep on with the insults. You don't know who you are talking to, you don't know the underlying presuppositions, the realities, you just move from fantasy (Wizard of Oz) to your imaginings (you would dance in the streets) to insult. The mask is what you place on people you do not know so you can categorize them in your own image. Just as I don't know you, so I cannot imagine the place where you are coming from, and I don't mean that in a negative way, just that I don't know who I am talking to, your underlying presuppositions, your realities. So I will go from my fantasy (intelligent discussion in the JMDL) to my imagings (that all people value all human life). Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Let me get the violinsot....this is an insult??...I'm not buying it.... > > Come on! > > Take the mask off for a few minutes...please.. > > Bree > > > > > > > > >>I just caught this. > > > >Please know that I am being incredibly restrained in my anger at reading > >such a statement. There is no chance for dialogue when people want to > >wallow in their hate while crying about hate. > > > >I shall choose to believe it was a mistake and that the unnamed (by me) > >author did not mean that at all and was horrified to see that sentiment > >ttached to her/his name. > > > >Vince > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > > > > PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be > >dancing in the streets tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:52:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC, POL Been there, tried that Ken...doesn't work. People stay here and politics reigns sometimes. A BETTER idea imo is for folks to chime in and talk music...I'm digging the new Built To Spill, looking forward to that Mark Knopfler/Emmylou Harris CD, also out today, and am really really digging the Kings of Convenience. I now have 2 of their CD's and they are permanently on my radar screen. Anyways, when you lurk you pretty much have to take what's dealt you. Only when you participate do you stand a chance at steering the conversation. So, what're you listening to these days? What upcoming 2006 releases are you excited about? Bob NP: Bruce S, "Ain't Got You" PS: Hiya, Steve! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:53:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's speech at the Commonwealth Club, April 22, 2005 Les directed us to: _http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/05/05-04mitchell-intro.html_ (http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/05/05-04mitchell-intro.html) Wow. Thanks Les. Wow. I've still got tears in my eyes. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:05:12 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: death of a president njc Someone asked if we would mourn Bush as we mourned JFK. Surely not. That is not something that requires equivilancy. We did not mourn Nixon the same as we mourned Reagan the same as we mourned Johnson the same as we mourned Eisnehower the same as we mourned Truman... now those are the dead presidents in my lifetime. We gave to each the proper mourning due the loss of one who was president, with our own particulars. I will mourn Ford more than most of you because I had a relationship with Ford in the 60s and live in/next to his former congressional district, as I have since 1981. We all have our own particulars with each president. We mourned Kennedy uniquely because of our youth and his relative youth. The man had his head blown open on his wife's lap months after her miscarriage leaving two small children behind and that resonated in many ways. Lincoln was the only president to receive greater mourning, arguably, maybe FDR, interestingly McKinley and Garfield received little of that because they did not connect with the times as Lincoln, JFK, or FDR. But to all, the proper mourning for a human being has died and in this case one of particular importance to our country (if we are Americans) and thus our lives. Churchhill was mourned more than Harold Wilson, which doesn't diminish the grief for Wilson, just says that Churchill had a special bond with his people. God forbid for many reasons Bush be assassinated. Part of our grief for JFK was that he was blown away. That was why the Reagan attempt was so shocking (and not so much Ford because Ford, unlike Reagan, was not hit). If Bush gets blown away that will impact our emotional impact and God spare him and us. I expect he'll live another 30 years and I pray he does, and when he passes, I will not grieve like I did for JFK but I will give the man his due. Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -- http://www.southsiders.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:11:33 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: ding dong the Rush is on, njc Bree wrote: It just hit me...the most sociopathic manipulation EVER to be perpetrated on the masses. Yes..ding dong the witch is dead the which old witch the wicked witch is dead..ding dong the wicked witch is dead... Oh my....and to think I sang that song so happily and gleefully with all the other sociopaths... I mean we were happy the bad (guy)witch met her fate...and along with Dorothy and the Munchkins we were actually glad ..gleefully happy that she ..well..DIED. I'll sleep like a baby... goodnight for good this time... Bree PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be dancing in the streets tomorrow. Hi Bree, Did Rush write this post for you... with song and all and a demoralizing PS conclusion to boot? You've been away from the better Rush for too long. Please, go home Dorothy... there's no place like home. Close your eyes now and click those ruby slipper heals together and wake up from the bad dream you seem to be living out in Ozio. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:22:27 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC, POL This suggestion has come and gone for years- It has always been rejected- my suggestion-hit your subject bar and delete as a group all the stuff you don't want to read. Problem is, there is a lot of gray area-what's political (everything?)...Joni's own songs of the later period contain quite a bit of political commentary, as well. The political topics tend to come in waves, there are often long periods without it-also lots of other non-music topics, like movies, circumcision, etc etc, that's why it's an open forum-personally I like it the way it is, but I can understand other's frustration when it seems like the political discussion is dominating. You can always start your own thread on your favorite topic. RR - ----- Original Message ----- From: > The joni-only list is a great idea for those who only want Joni stuff > on the list, but I have always stayed on the main list because there is > so much NJC musical content (especially from bob, hi there been a > while, steve's ok) to peruse on here. Any chance we could create > another designation similar to NJC, let's call it "POL" and have a > third list that includes all NJC posts except for ones with the POL > designation, which would be applied to all posts that are entirely > political? That's the whole reason I've barely been able to sift > through the list for the last couple years, there's just too much. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: RE: njc, I'm the Decider - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Wrong..Debra...I get my news from the all-knowing > Rush Limbaugh. Nah! I know that's not the case. You're too nice. Not Rush Limbaugh-ish at all even when you get all sarcastic (maybe you should listen to him more! LOL). > But > seriously....maybe I am a parrot for the > administration but I will always > believe the sadistic Hussein had to be removed. So > maybe the sociopath > Bush was just the guy to do it. One sociopath kind > of guy to another .... Well, then, that's the heart of our disagreement, and it's no wonder that you won't pay attention to anything said to the contrary, and why I don't buy the excuses the Bushies give. No one, not even the most liberal person, would ever say Saddam Hussein was a good guy. He obviously was not. Interesting, though, and important to me but apparently not to Repubs, that none of those horrible things he did happened in the 10 years prior to March 2003. In fact, he did those things when he was the pal of the U.S. government, not when he was contained during the 1990s by sanctions and flyovers. To me, the cost, the unecessary cost of lives wasted in Iraq has not been worth that photo op of the statue of Hussein being pulled down. (Interesting, isn't it, that the U.S. tank doing the pulling is never shown in the pictures, so that it looks like the Iraqis are pulling that statue down. They are not. It's another photo op designed to deceive the U.S. people.) It would be a different safer world if bin Laden had been captured in July 2003. That may have been done if the invasion of Iraq (planned before 9/11) had not taken the military and world attention away from Afghanistan. We will have to agree to disagree about the value of going after bad-guy Hussein by invading Iraq. From my point of view, you are trusting the Bushies much more than they deserve. Just because I'm curious, does your support of the Iraq invasion (or liberation, you'd probably call it), mean that everything Bushco does is okay? How can you tolerate the way the Repubs used same-sex marriage in order to scare people enough so they'd get to the polls and vote against it (and for the Repubs)? Wouldn't you much rather support a party where there's some chance of adding rights and dignity and openness to your homelife, especially when you're planning on having children? That's very personal, Bree, so you don't have to answer that. I don't mean to be baiting you, and apologize if it's coming across that way. It does bother me a lot, though, the way the Bushies manipulate their supporters, so those supporters believe in the Bushies even when it means doing themselves harm. I feel the same sadness when watching a mother who's just lost her son in Iraq repeat the worn out slogans started by the Bushies, or hearing a poor white guy saying he supports Bush because (the Repubs told him) the minorities take all the money (as though Bush is going is to be helping that poor white guy). No doubt about it, the Bushies are the best manipulators I've ever seen. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:33:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: NJC, POL Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: << So, what're you listening to these days? What upcoming 2006 releases are you excited about? >> Woo-hoo! Today's the day the new The Streets CD is due out in the US. (Guess it's been out in the UK since last month.) I've said it here twice before, but I love "A Grand Don't Come for Free" a lot, and the new release is supposed to be very good. It's about dealing with fame, which I think is an interesting choice of subject matter. I've also been liking Kings of Convenience, Bob. I have "Quiet Is the New Loud." Thanks for pushing them! --Smurf . - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > No..Debra..I'm not believing the hypocrisy.... (how > pc we have become) Bush > is a sociopath because he liked the fact the bad > boys were taken out! There's other evidence that he's a sociopath. More people were executed in Texas than under any other governor. There was an interview with him being asked about a woman about to be executed and the way he talked about that was chilling. He liked the idea. Regarding "the bad boys"... I'd expect some grim satisfaction at their being killed. That would make sense. What disturbed me was Bush being so happy about the display of their bodies. It reminded me of that long-ago barbaric count in Eastern Europe who put the heads of his enemies on poles. I've been looking for the video that gave me such a strong impression of Bush's glee at such goriness, but have not been able to find it. Regardless of that, an entire book would not be written on that one example. Read the book if you want more examples. Dr. Frank, Bush on the Couch. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:09:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC, POL now KOC & EII I've also been liking Kings of Convenience, Bob. I have "Quiet Is the New Loud." Thanks for pushing them!> Awesome - glad you are, Smurf. That's the one I got a couple weeks back. Riot On An Empty Street is even better. And while we're passing out thanks...Catherine, just wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed "Everything Is Illuminated", and passed on the tip to my sisters, who both emailed me this week to tell me how much they liked it. My younger sis is an Elijah Wood fan and hadn't seen it. I added TWO acronyms to the subject line in your honor. Bob NP: Joni, "The Three Great Stimulants" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:19:33 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Original Message: - ----------------- From: dsknyc05 dsknyc05@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT) To: bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC >There's other evidence that he's a sociopath. More >people were executed in Texas than under any other >governor. And when asked who was his personal hero, Shrub answered: "Jesus Christ". I cannot possibly be the only person that sees the irony here. What a douchebag. J/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:26:36 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: NJC, POL Ask Steve, he's more current than me. I made a compilation with every one of Keef's lead vocals on Stones records, there've only been 18 of them since 1969, and it's just about my favorite thing ever. My favorite new thing this year was Prarie Wind and Macca's latest. Quoting Bob.Muller@fluor.com: > another designation similar to NJC, let's call it "POL" and have a > third list> > > Been there, tried that Ken...doesn't work. People stay here and politics > reigns sometimes. > > A BETTER idea imo is for folks to chime in and talk music...I'm digging > the new Built To Spill, looking forward to that Mark Knopfler/Emmylou > Harris CD, also out today, and am really really digging the Kings of > Convenience. I now have 2 of their CD's and they are permanently on my > radar screen. > > Anyways, when you lurk you pretty much have to take what's dealt you. Only > when you participate do you stand a chance at steering the conversation. > > So, what're you listening to these days? What upcoming 2006 releases are > you excited about? > > Bob > > NP: Bruce S, "Ain't Got You" > > PS: Hiya, Steve! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect > the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:26:54 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC > PS. I'm thinking about how if Bush died tonight ..you all would be dancing > in the streets tomorrow. No, not true. I would wait until he was buried and then dance on his grave. Lori, not as nice as other people ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:35:06 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Here's some relevant Bush video: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1019.htm Yikes. - -Julius sknyc05@yahoo.com writes: > Dr. Frank, Bush on the Couch. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:56:46 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Ian Shaw's Barangrill Just to let you know that Ian Shaw's version of Barangrill was played on my favourite radio program, Late Junction, on BBC Radio 3 last night. Unfortunately, I missed it, having just noticed it on the playlist. It's always a great show though. They are currently playing someone who sounds a lot like Tim Buckley, and may well be, although I've never heard it before. I'll just have to wait for the announcement I guess. It's part of a linked trio of music sent in by a listener. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Bob Dylan on XM - Preview Stream A LINK TO BOB DYLAN ON XM RADIO NEW YORK, APRIL 21 : Showing yet another side in a long career, Bob Dylan is playing disc jockey, spinning smooth patter along with records ranging from Muddy Waters to Frank Sinatra as XM Radio enlists more star power in the U.S. satellite radio war. BOB DYLAN : DeeJay XM Radio Preview http://www.xmradio.com/b0bdy1an_s3c/ Preview of Theme Time Radio Hour with your host Bob Dylan Write these down or copy, go to the link and punch it in...you are there! username: press1 password: xmr0ck5! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:39:13 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC Original Message: - ----------------- From: Lori Fye lrfye58@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:26:54 -0700 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Wizard of OZ with PC NJC >Lori, >not as nice as other people And yet still in good company, nonetheless... ;) J/ We're all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC, Keef Wow, I sure would have thought there were more than that. And while "Happy" would sound great on any compilation, I would hate to listen to "Walk Right In" any more than is absolutely necessary. Then again, I've had to listen to 400 or so BSN's, so there you go. Bob NP: Judy Garland, "Come Rain or Come Shine" (on Bob Dylan's XM radio station) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Just a thought or two from Bo Hello everyone! The sun is shining at 6:32PM this Tuesday evening. That's a good thing... a Spring-like, happy thing. Throughout our planet, regardless of time zone, way too many human beings are crying, suffering, in some cases, that their unimaginable suffering silences their screams. That's a very, very bad thing. Regardless of Bush's mental status, (most everything we can think of is contained within a continuum....as are sociopaths and their close relatives, the psychopaths), we don't have a choice....YET....we, as members of the human beings on planet earth, most particularly in the USA, must learn to accept that this "leader" is with us for the next few YEARS. A very sobering thought. Yes, I'm extremely interested in keeping up-to-date with all of the world's current events and most likely will borrow a copy of Justin A. Frank's "Bush On The Couch" from my local (magnificent) library....but, I'm trying with all my heart and soul to lead my life in a way that's best described by the title of a book written by Frieda Fromm-Reichmann, "To Redeem One Person Is To Redeem The World". Freida Fromm-Reichmann, a German-Jewish refugee analyst, was the first wife of Erich Fromm. She was born in 1889 and died in 1957. I vow never to be a member of the tribe "Sheeple". As I grow older, I'm more and more convinced that I can only enthusiastically attempt to brighten, enhance (not at the "redeem" level) the life of one person at a time. Some of my days include eight or ten people at a time. Some days less. I'm not quite sure what motivates these written thoughts. I'm extremely enlightened, fascinated and filled with respect by so much of the contents of what the members of the JMDL family shares in their postings. For whatever reason, these are my thoughts as I read the #158 Digest. Just wanted to share them with you ..... Peace with love, Bo - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Bob Dylan on XM - Preview Stream thanks Bob! you sure feed our musical heads real well. :) am listening now. Its cool, I think. This kind of stuff is right up my alley, even without getting to listen to my main man. I think Bob D. knows his "tunes". My hope for him, is that he's enjoying himself. I imagine he has plenty of help and doesnt have to answer the phone or anything! lol.... Am seriously thinking of getting XM radio, for Bob's show and just because the idea of having contant as the northern star good music around, is very attractive. PLus I think it would be easier managed for on-motorcycle listening than an iPod. So I might pop for this. thanks again!!!!!! Em ps but what would freak me out is if I found out later that it (satellite radio) was "Clearchannel-ish" in some way - --- Bob Muller wrote: > A LINK TO BOB DYLAN ON XM RADIO > > NEW YORK, APRIL 21 : Showing yet another side in > a long > career, Bob Dylan is playing disc jockey, > spinning smooth > patter along with records ranging from Muddy > Waters to Frank > Sinatra as XM Radio enlists more star power in > the U.S. > satellite radio war. > > BOB DYLAN : DeeJay XM Radio Preview > > http://www.xmradio.com/b0bdy1an_s3c/ > Preview of Theme Time Radio Hour with your host > Bob Dylan > > Write these down or copy, go to the link and > punch it > in...you are there! > > username: press1 > password: xmr0ck5! > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:53:41 -0400 From: vince Subject: Shoah remembrance - njc BABI YAR By Yevgeni Yevtushenko Translated by Benjamin Okopnik, 10/96 QUOTE No monument stands over Babi Yar. A steep cliff only, like the rudest headstone. I am afraid. Today, I am as old As the entire Jewish race itself. I see myself an ancient Israelite. I wander o'er the roads of ancient Egypt And here, upon the cross, I perish, tortured And even now, I bear the marks of nails. It seems to me that Dreyfus is myself. *1* The Philistines betrayed me - and now judge. I'm in a cage. Surrounded and trapped, I'm persecuted, spat on, slandered, and The dainty dollies in their Brussels frills Squeal, as they stab umbrellas at my face. I see myself a boy in Belostok *2* Blood spills, and runs upon the floors, The chiefs of bar and pub rage unimpeded And reek of vodka and of onion, half and half. I'm thrown back by a boot, I have no strength left, In vain I beg the rabble of pogrom, To jeers of "Kill the Jews, and save our Russia!" My mother's being beaten by a clerk. O, Russia of my heart, I know that you Are international, by inner nature. But often those whose hands are steeped in filth Abused your purest name, in name of hatred. I know the kindness of my native land. How vile, that without the slightest quiver The antisemites have proclaimed themselves The "Union of the Russian People!" It seems to me that I am Anna Frank, Transparent, as the thinnest branch in April, And I'm in love, and have no need of phrases, But only that we gaze into each other's eyes. How little one can see, or even sense! Leaves are forbidden, so is sky, But much is still allowed - very gently In darkened rooms each other to embrace. - -"They come!" - -"No, fear not - those are sounds Of spring itself. She's coming soon. Quickly, your lips!" - -"They break the door!" - -"No, river ice is breaking..." Wild grasses rustle over Babi Yar, The trees look sternly, as if passing judgement. Here, silently, all screams, and, hat in hand, I feel my hair changing shade to gray. And I myself, like one long soundless scream Above the thousands of thousands interred, I'm every old man executed here, As I am every child murdered here. No fiber of my body will forget this. May "Internationale" thunder and ring *3* When, for all time, is buried and forgotten The last of antisemites on this earth. There is no Jewish blood that's blood of mine, But, hated with a passion that's corrosive Am I by antisemites like a Jew. And that is why I call myself a Russian! ************************************************** NOTES - ----- 1 - Alfred Dreyfus was a French officer, unfairly dismissed from service in 1894 due to trumped-up charges prompted by anti- Semitism. 2 - Belostok: the site of the first and most violent pogroms, the Russian version of KristallNacht. 3 - "Internationale": The Soviet national anthem. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #159 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------