From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #155 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 24 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 155 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Republican mysteries (njc) [Bob Muller ] Sunday sermon -- njc [Smurf ] njc, I'm the Decider ["Patti Parlette" ] Bruce says Good Morning for free njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Soggy Sunday [Peep Richman ] RE: njc, I'm the Decider ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Republican mysteries now earth concerns (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: njc, I'm the Decider ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: njc, I'm the Decider [Dflahm@aol.com] the decider/NJC ["MIKE HICKS" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 06:08:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Republican mysteries (njc) I certainly agree that we are in desperate need of a leader and a legislative body that can unify our country around the principles that we have in common, which in fact are many. While this manifesto spells out a couple of specifics, it speaks in so many broad terms that it becomes too subjective, such as: "Leftists who make common cause with, or excuses for, anti-democratic forces should be criticized in clear and forthright terms. Conversely, we pay attention to liberal and conservative voices and ideas if they contribute to strengthening democratic norms and practices and to the battle for human progress." That just sounds like it leaves everything open to interpretation - who's to judge whether or not ideas and voices are anti 'democratic norms'? After all (and we even see it in the recent Neil Young video), the right is quick to say that when the left speaks out against a blatantly wrong, counter-productive and destructive war, they are being un-patriotic and aren't supporting their troops (when in fact I believe the exact opposite). In the past week or so, six retired 5-star generals (hardly radical leftists) have come out to say that Rumsfeld is incompetent and should step down, and the editorials I've read on both sides divide right down the line; Cal Thomas and Krauthammer go on about how these statements are wrong and the bloggers and writers on the left sing their praises. Is there anything left in our culture that isn't turned into a wedge issue? Perhaps this manifesto is a step in the right direction (at a minimum it at least acknowledges the problem), but it hardly qualifies as a document that settles the issues that divide us as a nation. Most of it reads like general rhetoric to me, and the writer tends to write in flowery Kerryisms that the average man on the street is not even going to understand. The Republican leadership has certainly fumbled and bungled things badly in the last five years, the challenge for the Democrats is proving to the public that they have a grasp on ideas which will do any better. Bob NP: Erykah Badu, "On & On" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Sunday sermon -- njc "Have you heard Garrison Keillor's piece on the Rapture? Not to spoil it for you, but in the final hour fundamentalist Christians will be left standing by while, much to their surprise, Unitarian Universalists and an entire peace march in Boston are lifted up into the heavens -- leaving their natural-fiber clothing behind them." - --Rev. Kim K. Crawford Harvie - - - - A month or two ago I posted a link to Boston's Arlington Street Church website because there was a Joni reference in a recent sermon. The link to the main page is << http://www.ascboston.org/index2.html >>.) This week a friend told me the Easter sermon was great, and that it's possible to download podcasts of sermons from ASC. Since I did get off-list thanks for posting the text of the earlier sermon, I thought some of you might like to hear some of Kim's recorded sermons. I just think she's great. If you want to listen to some of her podcasts, the link is << http://www.ascboston.org/worship/podcast.html >>. - --Smurf, a holy man on the podcast radio -- not! . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:16:42 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, I'm the Decider Sister Kate wrote: AHHHHH! :-O I almost feel off the couch laughing when I heard this little quote last night!!!!!!!! Can you believe a supposedly grown man (not to mention the freakin pres of the usa!) said this??? It sounds like a 6 year old saying "you're not the boss of me!" - ----------- Exactement! I wish the psychiatrists would speak up in addition to the generals and Al Gore and Cindy and Neil. Does anyone remember Bush saying, way back, about Saddam, very emotionally, stomping his foot, tantrum-like: "But he tried to kill my DAD!" As in: "I'm never not gonna be YOUR best friend!" or "I'm gonna get YOU, you big JERK!" I read in yesterday's paper (sorry I don't still have it so I could quote the article better) that someone (an intelligence person, I think) is going to be on 60 Minutes tonight and will tell how BushCo was *so* intent on invading Iraq that, 6 months prior to the invasion, when all the intelligence (the *real* and unfabricated intelligence, that is) said there were no WMDs in Iraq, they would not listen. They would not listen. Here again, I'm picturing a 6 year-old, this time with his hands over his ears saying: "na na na na na na I'm not gonna listen to you na na na na na na na na na." And then, of course, we have the "I'll get YOU, Joe Wilson! I'm gonna TELL on your wife! So there! Na na na na na!!!" I also remember him thumping his chest once, proudly proclaiming, with that simian smirk: "I am a WAR PRESIDENT!" And then a few weeks ago, when Helen Thomas stumped him when asking him bluntly what were the REAL reasons we invaded Iraq, he bumbled through that with all his "excuse me, Helen's" and said: "No president likes war." Please watch this again and you will see what I mean. It's his "answer" to Helen Thomas's question. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12437.htm All I can say is "Liar, liar! Pants on fire!" I'd better shut up now because I feel a rant coming on (like this wasn't?? LOL...), and "I'm a uniter, not a divider." I'm sorry if I offended anyone but I'm mad as hell and I can't take it anymore. Love, Patti P., roaring like forest fire today NPIMH: I am me and Rummy's he, Iraq is free and we are all together See the world run when Dick shoots his gun, see how I lie I'm Lying... Sitting on my own brain, waiting for the end of days Corporation profits, Bloody oil money I'm above the law and I'll decide what's right or wrong I am the egg head, I'm the Commander, I'm the Decider Koo-Koo-Kachoo Baghdad city policeman sitting pretty little targets in a row See how they die when the shrapnel flies see mothers cry I'm Lying...I'm Ly-ing...I'm Lying...I'm Ly-ing Yellow cake plutonium, imaginary WMD's Declassifying facts, exposing secret agents Tax cuts for the wealthy leaving all the poor behind CHORUS Sitting in the White house garden talking to the Lord My thoughts would be busy busy hatching If I only had a brain CHORUS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:53:56 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Bruce says Good Morning for free njc Look for me in the audience on Good Morning America with the Seeger Sessions Band Tuesday morning ApriI 25th. I've got to be there before 6:30 AM!! The things I won't do for Bruce. Hopefully I'll get in the pit.... hee haw...put on the corn bread ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Soggy Sunday Hi Everyone!! I've missed you guys but look forward to reading all the JMDL's I want to catch up on!!! I've been thinking...(HHHMMMM...'bout time)...when personal crapola gets me down, I can always count on Bush to divert my reality to getting me waaayyyy down about the forlorn state of affairs of our country and the entire world. What is happening??? When will the masses realize that unifying our mutual horror and taking action has merit? Have we, on the unconscious collective level, lost our gumption....lost our rage???? If there's a higher meaning, whatever that means, to this world-wide horror and chaos, I can't imagine what it can be. Living through the Civil Rights's Movement and the many protests of the 1960's and 70's does not hold a dormant, huge space in my heart and soul. But, I admit to feeling helpless at times....to feeling I can't contribute to searching and maybe finding some avenue that will lead us to the wisdom of the legacies left to us by so many amazing and brave human beings. There's solace to be comforted by through Joni and many others....but there's individual responsibility and I've yet to identify and take actions of my own. I eventually will find a path. I'm a faithful reader of "The Sun", a wonderful journal. The same quote accompanies the very first page: "What is to give light must endure burning."-Viktor Frankl Regardless of how many times I read Dr. Frankl's "Man's Search For Meaning", I find new wisdom within the pages of this written jewel. Hope this finds all of you well. Paz, so glad to learn that "things are jamming" for you...one of my wishes. Signing off with love. Bo - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:05:32 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: RE: njc, I'm the Decider Original Message: - ----------------- From: Patti Parlette loveuconn@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:16:42 +0000 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: njc, I'm the Decider >I'm sorry if I offended anyone but I'm mad as hell and I can't take it anymore. If your words of 'speaking truth to power' should offend anyone, you ought not need to feel remorse nor offer apology. You should feel great satisfaction for having done the right thing. If you happen to piss off any conservatives in the process, well, that's just a bonus. JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:08:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Republican mysteries now earth concerns (njc) Hi Kakki, thanks for the link & your thoughtful contribution to the discussion. To me the most important issue that could possibly trump everything is what is happening with the environment. I am not sure if this manifesto included these concerns (I skimmed through so perhaps I missed something). Since this is Earth Day weekend (the celebration that originated here in SB because of the massive oil spill in 1969) I thought it was important to mention this as well as the following: IMO, the news that should be getting more press (it is big news in Nevada but not much about it elsewhere)- On June 2, the Pentagon has planned to test a huge explosion called Divine (!?)Strake (simulating a small nuclear one? Scattering particles from previous nuclear tests into the atomosphere?). Native tribe members in the surrounding area are concerned this may set off earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanic eruptions. >I read the following the other day and suspect the diverse international group of left-progressive-liberals who support this asked themselves the same question and have come to a very rational and heartening view: http://eustonmanifesto.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id= 12&Itemid=1 If more progressives truly embraced these values they'd be a powerhouse and wouldn't be losing so many votes to the other side. Kakki< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:04:23 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: joni mention in ny times editorial section today there was an editorial in the sunday 'week in review' section in the new york times, about shakespeare, with a joni mention: "Or that his words would inspire their own honoring thefts: Joni Mitchell took a glittering simile of his for "That Song About the Midway"; ..." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/opinion/23moore.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&page wanted=all so i googled to find the original reference and found a direct comparison... "It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night Like a rich jewel in an Ethiop's ear; Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear! --Romeo and Juliet, I, v, 49 This would seem to be the source for a line in the Joni Mitchell song called "That Song about the Midway": I met you on the midway at a fair last year And you stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear" now i'm thinking i'm going to write the times about 'talk to me' in which joni makes fun of people who quote shakespeare... patrick np - underworld, 'jal to tokyo' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:39:53 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: falling george njc This cracked me up-- (This is probably how he's feeling right about now- or a graphic depiction of his current approval ratings...) if you hit refresh, it falls different every time. http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:52:09 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, I'm the Decider Hi Patti...add all.. I am not offended at all...and that's why I love this country so much because one can speak their mind. Marianne and I are pretty much on opposite political spectrums ..but not all things. We don't discuss politics too much anymore because we both agreed she ain't changing my mind and I'm sure as hell ain't changing hers. (she kids me about sleeping with the enemy) We do find some common ground on life issues and work ethic...fiscal things. I told her just today on the phone that I hate that the president has not dealt with immigration. Quit chumming up to Vincente Fox and follow the laws of this land. That goes for all of congress...quit worrying about votes and do something about illegal immigration. So I understand your anger..Patti. Bush...I always have felt..still do...even though no WMD"S found..(funneled into Syria..perhaps?).(even though everyone thought Saddam had them) and his breaking UN resolution (twelve in all) time and time again.....that sometimes a bully just has to be taken out...a sadistic one at that. In 1998 Clinton declared Saddam Hussein a threat. I can't remember the exact wording or the decree but SH was declared hostile...a threat. Joe Wilson? Well...if a person is telling out right lies about you..wouldn't want to get the truth out? So leaking....and disseminating truth are two different things. What we all have to remember is the president..any president.. IS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.. so when he decides to release things to the press...he has the right to do so. Remember...the reason Scooter Libby was indicted wasn't for outing Joe Wilson's wife (was she covert or not? She sure didn't look covert on that Vanity Fair cover) but for a recollection that turned out to be false..I think before the grand jury? I am still perplexed as to why the visceral hate for Bush..Cheney....I really don't understand. I have been disappointed with some things...government has gotten even bigger under his watch..immigration...(follow the F**king laws of the land!) But I really feel that he did the right thing with Iraq...removing that dictator....killing and scattering the terrorists. Anyway....just some of my thoughts... Bree >I'm sorry if I offended anyone but I'm mad as hell and I can't take it >anymore. > >Love, > >Patti P., roaring like forest fire today > >NPIMH: > >I am me and Rummy's he, Iraq is free and we are all together >See the world run when Dick shoots his gun, see how I lie >I'm Lying... > >Sitting on my own brain, waiting for the end of days >Corporation profits, Bloody oil money >I'm above the law and I'll decide what's right or wrong > >I am the egg head, I'm the Commander, I'm the Decider >Koo-Koo-Kachoo > >Baghdad city policeman sitting pretty little targets in a row >See how they die when the shrapnel flies see mothers cry >I'm Lying...I'm Ly-ing...I'm Lying...I'm Ly-ing > >Yellow cake plutonium, imaginary WMD's >Declassifying facts, exposing secret agents >Tax cuts for the wealthy leaving all the poor behind > >CHORUS > >Sitting in the White house garden talking to the Lord >My thoughts would be busy busy hatching If I only had a brain > >CHORUS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:58:34 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, I'm the Decider Bush is responsible for "killing and scattering the terrorists?" Bree, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:33:35 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: the decider/NJC When I saw George on the news saying "I am the decider", I was up with both arms saying "you go George". I kinda got fired up. I kinda liked it. Mike NP: Ashley Park - Summer's End ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #155 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------