From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 146 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc-anti-war songs ["ron" ] Re: That Remixes Compilation [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: That Remixes Compilation [Nuriel Tobias ] Neil Young Records "Impeach the President" Song -- njc [Smurf ] Leo njc ["Garret" ] Animals, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Fallen Angels ["Garret" ] Re: Top played songs njc ["Garret" ] Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - [Bob Muller ] copyright law in the US -- njc [Smurf ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #111 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: copyright law in the US -- njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] JM.com ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - [Em ] njc, two good guys gone this week ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - [Mark-Leon Thorne ] njc Beckett birthday bash [vince ] Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - [Bob Muller ] Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - ["Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: njc-anti-war songs hi >>>lisa wrote (regarding the ballad of penny evans) > I never heard the original. And, having just looked up the lyrics, I am > now aware of the other verses I didn't know existed. > Here is the verse I did hear as done by Melanie (Safka) preceding her > song Peace Will Come: > My name is Penny Evans and Ive just gone twenty-one > A young widow in the war thats being fought in Vietnam > And I have two infant daughters, I thank God I have no son > Now they say the war is over but I think it's just begun personally i think "penny evans" is one of the best anti war songs i have ever heard. you can hear the original here at the link mentioned earlier by osiris: http://www.jwsrockgarden.com/jw02vvaw.htm i first heard michelle shocked's version which has now been included on the re issued short sharp shocked: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/michelleshocked3 or http://www.michelleshocked.com/detail_short_sharp_reissue.htm ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:58:25 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: That Remixes Compilation Hi Nuri. I am the one who is putting together the remixes compilation but, it is still incomplete. I haven't received any contributions for some time. There are two contributions from list members so far. I will announce when the remix collection is ready for distribution. In the meantime, if anyone has any remixes, extended versions, mash-ups or their own mixes of Joni's songs, please write to me off list. Mark in Sydney NP Cold and The Crackle - Not Drowning, Waving ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: That Remixes Compilation Thanks, Mark. I'll be waiting then. Good luck with your mission! Nuri Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Hi Nuri. I am the one who is putting together the remixes compilation but, it is still incomplete. I haven't received any contributions for some time. There are two contributions from list members so far. I will announce when the remix collection is ready for distribution. In the meantime, if anyone has any remixes, extended versions, mash-ups or their own mixes of Joni's songs, please write to me off list. Mark in Sydney NP Cold and The Crackle - Not Drowning, Waving - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Neil Young Records "Impeach the President" Song -- njc Neil Young, Son of Famed Reporter, Records "Impeach the President" Song By E&P Staff Published: April 14, 2006 11:40 AM ET NEW YORK As an E&P "Pressing Issues" column recently noted, rock star Neil Young is the son of a famed Canadian journalist, so it should not surprise many that he recently recorded a song in California with a very reportorial -- or at least pundit -- feel to it. Its called Impeach the President, so there can be little question what it is about. Apparently it was recorded with a 100-voice choir. Rumors have circulated the past few days on the Web, but E&P has tracked down the strongest confirmation in a blog kept by Sherman Oaks, Ca. musician/singer Alicia Morgan. Previous reports quoted hints by Young and Jonathan Demme (who directed the new documentary Heart of Gold) that Neil was working on a hard-rocking political or anti-Bush CD. Last Friday, Morgan wrote on her LastLeftB4Hooterville blog that she had been summoned to a local studio to sing on the new record with 99 others. I'm not going to give the whole thing away, but the first line of one of the songs was Let's impeach the President for lyin'! Turns out the whole thing is a classic beautiful protest record. The session was like being at a 12-hour peace rally. Every time new lyrics would come up on the screen, there were cheers, tears and applause. It was a spiritual experience. I can't believe my good fortune at being a part of this. We finished the session by singing an a capella version of 'America the Beautiful' and there was not a dry eye in the house. Neil said it should be out in 6 to 8 weeks." Harp magazine reported on its Web site Thursday that Demme had confirmed in an e-mail, Neil just finished writing and recording -- with no warning -- a new album called 'Living With War.' It all happened in three days It is a brilliant electric assault, accompanied by a 100-voice choir, on Bush and the war in Iraq Truly mind blowing. Will be in stores soon. The magazine continued: Details are pretty scarce, but the featured track, titled Impeach the President, features a rap with Bushs voice set to the choir chanting flip/flop and the like. Young has always been a maverick politically as well as musically. Although he has recorded a few songs that drew cheers from liberals, such as "Ohio" and "Southern Man," he also drew criticism from the left for pro-Reagan comments many years ago. From: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002344436 . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:26:45 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Top played songs njc Although i don't have an ipod i do use itunes on the computer as it is very easy to manage, most of the time. My top 25 played songs follow (and i cannot explain some of them;-) Some of them are among my very favourite songs, but who knew i listened to Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough so often, lol. 1. Simon & Garfunkel, America 2. The Beautiful South, Prettiest Eyes 3. Don Henley, Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough 4. Joni Mitchell, Free Man In Paris 5. Joni Mitchell, Same Situation 6. Sam Shaber, Solitaire (she has a new live album out which i am really looking forward to hearing.... just have to wait for the credit card to recover from hundreds worth of Beckett tickets and a music festival www.electricpicnic.ie) 7. The BYrds, It's all over now baby blue 8. McGarrigles, Cool River (Mcgarrigle Hour version) 9. Aimee Man, 10.Royksopp (Dolly Parton/Destiny's Child) - Royksopp's Night Out 11. Bessie Jones, Sometimes 12. Dusty Springfield, You Don't Have To Say You Love Me 13.Smashing Pumpkins, Tonight Tonight 14.Elton John, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road 15.The Everly Brothers, All I Have To Do Is Dream 16. Patti Smith, Gloria 17. Sam Shaber, Bare 18. Patti Smith, Ask The Angels 19. Patti Smith, Free Money 20. Joni Mitchell, Slouching Toward Bethlehem 21. Nina Simone, Little Girl Blue 22. Nick Drake, Cello Song 23. Soft Cell, Say Hello, Wave Goodbye 24. R.E.M., Nightswimming 25. Tom Waits, Martha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:40:59 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Leo njc While i'm posting more than i have in three months let me contine: It seems that today, April 15th, is considered the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci. Just thought i'd throw that in there. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:54:26 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Animals, njc Jennifer sent this to me, and I'm passing it on to ya'll. Love, Laura Benedict XVI Continues Tradition of Papal Concern for Animals Just hours after Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was named Pope Benedict XVI in April 2005, PETA offered congratulations and urged His Holiness to include animals in the Catholic Church's areas of concern. Pope Benedict XVI has spoken movingly about the exploitation of all beings, particularly of farmed animals, and PETA has created _an ad featuring this message_ (http://www.goveg.com/pdfs/PopeAdEaster.pdf) . When he was asked about the rights of animals in a 2002 interview, he said, bThat is a very serious question. At any rate, we can see that they are given into our care, that we cannot just do whatever we want with them. Animals, too, are God's creatures . . . Certainly, a sort of industrial use of creatures, so that geese are fed in such a way as to produce as large a liver as possible, or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds, this degrading of living creatures to a commodity seems to me in fact to contradict the relationship of mutuality that comes across in the Bible.b Cardinal Ratzinger was echoing official church teachings, as laid out in the Catholic Catechism, which states clearly that bAnimals are Godbs creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals. . . . It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly.b In our letter, we asked His Holiness to bring his own compassionate vision to the public: bWe hope that you will continue to speak out for these exploited beings. In recent years, our membership has swelled with [Catholics] who believe that animals, like people, have a sacred right to life and need to be protected from violence. . . . We turn to you now, as you take on your momentous duties, and humbly ask that you lead the way into a new era of compassion and respect for all beings, regardless of species.b _Read_ (http://www.goveg.com/pdfs/popeletter.pdf) PETAbs letter to Pope Benedict XVI. Compassion for animals was also a prominent theme in John Paul IIbs papacy. Pope John Paul proclaimed that bthe animals possess a soul and men must love and feel solidarity with our smaller brethren.b He went on to say that all animals are bfruit of the creative action of the Holy Spirit and merit respectb and that they are bas near to God as men are.b Animal lovers everywhere were overjoyed! He reminded people that all living beings, including animals, came into being because of the bbreathb of God. Animals possess the divine spark of lifebthe living quality that is the soulband they are not inferior beings, as factory farmers, fur farmers, and others who exploit animals for profit would have us believe. After he became Pope John Paul II, His Holiness went to Assisi, the birthplace of St. Francis, and spoke of the saintbs love for animals. He declared, bWe, too, are called to a similar attitude.b PETA is hopeful that Pope Benedict XVI will continue to speak out for animals in his papacy as he did as a cardinal and that he will take a stand against the hideous treatment endured by Godbs creatures. Catholics can honor the teachings of Pope John Paul II and the sentiments of Pope Benedict XVI by incorporating compassion for animals more fully into their own lives. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:38:12 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Fallen Angels Hey Em, I think you have summed it up perfectly (i'll let you do all the work and just accept, accept, accept...) I tend not to pick apart songs and think about specific phrases; i am usually struck by a general feeling. But his makes sense as sometimes i just don't hear teh lyrics to songs at all which can lead to all sorts of hilarity when i atempt to sing a song i think i know very well, lol:-) Then i log on and read descriptions that seem spot-on, succinct, cogent. mmmm What am i trying to say? Basically, i had never really thought about the song C&S specifically but what you said fits with my general impression of hte song and the album generally and now i feel i understand if just a little bit more thanks to you. GARRET NP- Janet/Q-tip/Joni, Got 'Til It's Gone Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fallen Angels Los Angeles, the name of the city, means "the angels" in Spanish. To me a fallen angel would be a star thats come to ruin. Someone who has seen glory, but that glory is now way diminshed or tarnished or hech, just faded away. So the angels are human, and are no longer up in the lofty places. thats my take! Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:35:12 +0100 (BST) From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Top played songs njc But what could you mean? me and the boys from the skate-team just adore Dusty. And Elton is fab;-) Anyway, my boyfriend is the gay one, not me. I am surprised Cher and Better are not on my list though. > Not a straight man's list. > > Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - Happy weekend to everybody, hope the skies are as blue everywhere as they are here in SC. When I posted Covers 75 earlier this month, I mentioned that I'd have a bonus later on, and since we're at the Ides of April, I thought I'd go ahead and throw this out there for those who are interested. It's the very first Volume of Joni Covers, back when I started this silly project. Here's the link: http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F618F5F50B2CCF0A I never imagined it would go where it has, what a trip. The tracklist is as follows: 1. Fairport Convention - Eastern Rain 2. Fairport Convention - Marcie 3. Fairport Convention - Chelsea Morning 4. Fairport Convention - I Don't Know Where I Stand 5. Fairport Convention - Night In The City 6. Fairport Convention - Woodstock (live) 7. Fairport Convention - Both Sides Now (studio) 8. Fairport Convention - Both Sides Now (live) 9. Tim Curry - Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 10. Caroline Lavelle - A Case of You 11. Cleo Laine - Both Sides Now 12. Cassandra Wilson - Black Crow 13. Betty Buckley - River 14. Betty Buckley - A Case of You 15. Bonnie Raitt - That Song About The Midway 16. Holly Cole - River 17. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Woodstock (alternate version) 18. Phoebe Snow - A Case of You If you guys dig the idea, I'll continue offering a retro-volume every month. According to the yousendit website, they've upgraded to allow more downloads from a single link. If you aren't able to get it and want it, please let me know. Bob NP: Fairport Convention, "Both Sides Now" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:51:20 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - hi >>>bob wrote that would be great - for lazy people like me who were too lazy to order by mail :-) thanks bob ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:08:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: copyright law in the US -- njc I am urging some friends who are in a band to put one copyrighted song that they do very well on their soon-to-be-released CD of original material, but they're resisting because they think it will turn into a huge hassle paying royalties and so forth. Question to those in the know here: What would my friends need to do to include a song by another songwriter on their self-produced & self-marketed CD? (The songwriter's name is Guy Clark. I don't know his work but he has an empty bin in the folk section of the local record store, so I guess someone's buying his stuff.) Thanks, - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:14:38 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #111 In a message dated 04/15/2006 3:10:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:08:47 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Dog Eat Dog... Redux I've been spending a fair amount of time in the digest archives recently and ran across a post I wrote almost 6 years ago about "Dog Eat Dog". I know it's not exactly a crowd-pleaser in this group but it's an album I really came to appreciate and love. I felt that, perhaps, it might be appropriate to repost this for some of the newer list-members. Those who can't abide DED should either delete here or read with an open mind. Warmly, Cassy I've always been a fan of DED too .. but probably for different reasons. I enjoyed the music - though granted now it does sound more dated than other Joni recordings. I loved the politics of it. At that time I think we all needed some reminding of things and the contrast between the right/left, have/have nots, pious/partiers. It was good material. A reoccuring theme in many of the posts is that whole duality thing that Joni poses - this album was the culmination of that on many levels - from the obvious to the subtle. I think she was trying to be hip, especially to get her message out. But she was way smarter than she was hip. The masses didn't take to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc It only takes permission. That is it. Of course, the copyright owner could charge, but like everything else, it is negotiable. Jerry Smurf wrote: > I am urging some friends who are in a band to put one > copyrighted song that they do very well on their > soon-to-be-released CD of original material, but > they're resisting because they think it will turn into > a huge hassle paying royalties and so forth. > > Question to those in the know here: What would my > friends need to do to include a song by another > songwriter on their self-produced & self-marketed CD? > (The songwriter's name is Guy Clark. I don't know his > work but he has an empty bin in the folk section of > the local record store, so I guess someone's buying > his stuff.) > > Thanks, > > --Smurf > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:26:11 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc Hang on a minute, friends. I don't have time to comment at length right now, but I think I can contribute usefully before the weekend's over. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:27:56 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc Getting a license to do someone's song almost always involves contacting the Harry Fox Agency, who handle 99% of them. The band will have to pay the mechanical royalty up front, which is 7 and some odd cents per copy made-also there is usually a minimum that can vary, for example, the publisher might say there is a 1500 copy minimum to pay (even if your friends only press 500 cds)-so the payment might be 7.75c x 1500=$116.25 they would pay upfront to Harry Fox, then they would not owe any more money unless they pressed more than 1500 copies. (You can see how expensive it would be to do a whole CD of covers!). It's a very straightforward process, and incidentally, CDBaby says that cds with cover songs on them sell more digital downloads than ones without. Not that dds will neccesarily generate much money-while itunes pays the artist a nice 60 cents or so (ea.) alot of the other sites pay abysmally small amounts, like a tenth of a cent per. RR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smurf" >I am urging some friends who are in a band to put one > copyrighted song that they do very well on their > soon-to-be-released CD of original material, but > they're resisting because they think it will turn into > a huge hassle paying royalties and so forth. > > Question to those in the know here: What would my > friends need to do to include a song by another > songwriter on their self-produced & self-marketed CD? > (The songwriter's name is Guy Clark. I don't know his > work but he has an empty bin in the folk section of > the local record store, so I guess someone's buying > his stuff.) > > Thanks, > > --Smurf > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:57:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: JM.com The boss has been quietly putting new additions to the News section, signing each with a modest (li). If you haven't read the News since the transition, you're find some cool stuff. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - Bob! thank you very much for doing that! what a wonderful gift... :) Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Happy weekend to everybody, hope the skies are as > blue everywhere as they are here in SC. When I > posted Covers 75 earlier this month, I mentioned > that I'd have a bonus later on, and since we're > at the Ides of April, I thought I'd go ahead and > throw this out there for those who are > interested. > > It's the very first Volume of Joni Covers, back > when I started this silly project. Here's the > link: > > http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F618F5F50B2CCF0A > > I never imagined it would go where it has, what a > trip. The tracklist is as follows: > > 1. Fairport Convention - Eastern Rain > 2. Fairport Convention - Marcie > 3. Fairport Convention - Chelsea Morning > 4. Fairport Convention - I Don't Know Where I > Stand > 5. Fairport Convention - Night In The City > 6. Fairport Convention - Woodstock (live) > 7. Fairport Convention - Both Sides Now (studio) > 8. Fairport Convention - Both Sides Now (live) > 9. Tim Curry - Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire > 10. Caroline Lavelle - A Case of You > 11. Cleo Laine - Both Sides Now > 12. Cassandra Wilson - Black Crow > 13. Betty Buckley - River > 14. Betty Buckley - A Case of You > 15. Bonnie Raitt - That Song About The Midway > 16. Holly Cole - River > 17. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Woodstock > (alternate version) > 18. Phoebe Snow - A Case of You > > If you guys dig the idea, I'll continue offering > a retro-volume every month. According to the > yousendit website, they've upgraded to allow more > downloads from a single link. If you aren't able > to get it and want it, please let me know. > > Bob > > NP: Fairport Convention, "Both Sides Now" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:17:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, two good guys gone this week Happy Saturday, everyone! Ah, blessed Saturdays -- feeling unfettered and alive, nobody calling me up for favors, and no one's future to decide. So I get to do whatever I want, which is, for the moment, catching up on my newspaper reading, and posting to the JMDL! In my reading, I am reminded anew that we lost two really good souls this week. Gene Pitney and the Reverend William Sloane Coffin. I know we've already talked about them, but may I say a little more, please? There is a picture of Lynne Pitney and her three sons that is just so heartbreaking. Their faces so serious and sober, the eyes -- so filled with grief -- that just stare and stare and stare, and the lips so....steely grim horizontal flat, or downturned. Shell-shocked faces. The sons' arms on their mother, for comfort. (Sorry. I guess having just lost my own dear father makes this picture hit home even more. I can feel what they are feeling.) And in the accompanying article, there is a quote that really touched me. I think it will speak to many of you, especially musicians and/or parents. "Paul Gagliarducci, a longtime family friend and former superintendent of schools in Somers, said Pitney and his wife of 39 years, Lynne, had a special love for each other that was clear to all who knew them. 'If you ever wanted to see Gene's eyes sparkle or the intonation in his voice raise, ask him about his boys', Bagliarducci said. 'If you would have asked him what his best arrangements and compositions were, he'd probably say his three sons.' " for more: http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ctpitney0413.artapr13,0,3825395.story Precious love. Love is precious. That's how my Dad was. When I was growing up and would ask him what he wanted for his birthday or Christmas or Father's Day, he always had the same "stupid" (I thought) answer: "Good children." That used to bug me, because I wanted the easy answer - --something I could *buy* him in the five-and-dime -- socks, or an album, or a watch, or a tie. "Good children -- what kind of gift is THAT?", I would huff and puff. "C'mon, Dad, *what* do you *want*? And I'd always get the same answer. *Now* I get it. Papa taught me the deeper meaning. In the obituary I wrote for him, after listing his jobs and hobbies and stuff, I wrote: "More than anything, he loved his family." What greater gift? I am keeping that gift, deep in my heart. You do that too, Marianne and Mark and Paz and Donna and everyone else. That's the comfort in this melancholy. (Sorry for going off on that tangent. I see something of my Dad in everyone, just at this moment of the world.) And then we have The Rev. William Sloane Coffin, a life-long activisit for peace and social justice (that dream some of us have). Some good "Coffinisms" are: "He who stands for nothing falls for anything." "It's not because you have value that you are loved, but because you are loved that you have value." "It's clear to me, two things: that almost every square inch of the Earth's surface is soaked with the tears and blood of the innocent, and it's not God's doing. It's our doing. That's human malpractice. Don't chalk it up to God. Every time people say, when they see the innocent suffering, every time they lift their eyes to heaven and say, 'God, how could you let this happen?' it's well to remember that exactly at that moment God is asking exactly the same question of us: 'How could you let this happen?' So you have to take responsibility." "You know the axis of evil is not Iraq, Iran and North Korea," he told an audience at Yale in 2002. "It is environmental degradation, pandemic poverty and a world awash in arms." for more: http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-wscoffin0413.artapr13,0,6783700.story Two inspiring men have left this earth. I hope their messages will carry on. "We have no choice but to carry on....." -- CSN Love, Patti P., glass half-full, I guess....and the water is sparkly! NPIMH: One morning I woke up and I knew that you were gone. A new day, a new way, I knew I should see it along. Go your way, I'll go mine and carry on. The sky is clearing and the night has gone out. The sun, he come, the world is all full of light. Rejoice, rejoice, we have no choice but to carry on. The fortunes of fables are able to sing the song. Now witness the quickness with which we get along. To sing the blues you've got to live the tunes and carry on. Carry on, love is coming, love is coming to us all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:44:54 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc I think Randy covered the situation very comprehensively. I would add that once the song has been published, to cover it on a recording involves ONLY this compulsory license from Fox that he described. I believe this is referred to in the biz as a "small performing right" and you do not need the writers' or publishers' permission, as long as there is no dramatic frame superposed around the song. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:27:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc What Randy and David have described is a song that has been both copyrighted and licensed. The original question asked only if the song had been copyrighted. The vast majority of songs that are copyrighted in the U.S. are not also licensed. The U.S. Copyright archives are full of them. Though if a song has already been recorded by someone, it has most probably been licensed. But they are not the same thing. Licensing a copyright song gives the assigned permission to those who use it from the copyright owne. Purchasing a license also takes care of compensating the copyright owner. Jerry Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I think Randy covered the situation very comprehensively. I would add > that > once the song has been published, to cover it on a recording involves ONLY > this compulsory license from Fox that he described. > I believe this is referred to in the biz as a "small performing right" > and > you do not need the writers' or publishers' permission, as long as there > is no > dramatic frame superposed around the song. > > LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:45:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - Hey, you're welcome Em...I'll fill that ipod up with Joni covers if you give me half a chance. Stay tuned, more coming. Like the song says (though it wasn't originally written about Joni covers): "hide 'em under a bushel? No! I'm gonna let 'em shine!" Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Saving All My Love For You" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:40:05 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni healthy person Nuri wrote: >I honestly think that an album like TI was made to make you feel very >uncomfortable with yourself >and the world around you. The >only word i can think of to describe this is vomit, meaning that Joni was >vomitting her anger and >bitterness in order to release >herself, but what happened is that she's really poisoning minds in this >album, and i'll never forget >how sick i felt the day i heard >it for the first time. It was like a snake bit me. . . . me now: Purging is a good thing. . . it may purging. . and it is also letting us look in the mirror. . like, do we care? does anybody really care? As I re-read Joni's lyrics on Turbulent Indigo. . I realize that this is ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT HER. . she is helping us to look at these issues for the first time, or for some who have already seen them up close. . to not forget them. . to feel them. . to really feel them. . (remember she is a scorpio) they are really important issues . . "let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness. . ." "do you have eyes? can you see how mankind sees? why do you starve the faithful why do you crucify the saints. . everybody looks so ill at ease so distrustful so displeased. . . I see a borderline strung tight strung tense prickling with pretense a borderline most girls come here pregnant some by their own fathers Bridget got that belly by her parish priest consealed behind their rosaries. . one day I am going to die here too and they'll plant me in the dirt. . like some lame bulb that never blooms come any spring last chance lost six hundred thousand doctors are putting on rubber gloves and they're poking at the miseries made of love sex kills just the strong doing what thy can and the weak doing what they must and the gas leaks and the oil spills doctors' pills give you brand new ills. . this massive mess we're in. . I bleed - for your perversity these red words that make a stain" She made me love her even more for all of this. Did she think this would make her popular. . or Did she think that these stories should be told? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:58:23 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - This is great, Bob. Thanks so much. It's great for those of us who haven't been continuous members since the beginning. Mark in Sydney. NP Eastern Rain - Fairport Convention On 16/04/2006, at 12:04 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > Happy weekend to everybody, hope the skies are as > blue everywhere as they are here in SC. When I > posted Covers 75 earlier this month, I mentioned > that I'd have a bonus later on, and since we're > at the Ides of April, I thought I'd go ahead and > throw this out there for those who are > interested. > > It's the very first Volume of Joni Covers, back > when I started this silly project. Here's the > link: > > http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php? > action=download&ufid=F618F5F50B2CCF0A > > I never imagined it would go where it has, what a > trip. The tracklist is as follows: > > 1. Fairport Convention - Eastern Rain > 2. Fairport Convention - Marcie > 3. Fairport Convention - Chelsea Morning > 4. Fairport Convention - I Don't Know Where I > Stand > 5. Fairport Convention - Night In The City > 6. Fairport Convention - Woodstock (live) > 7. Fairport Convention - Both Sides Now (studio) > 8. Fairport Convention - Both Sides Now (live) > 9. Tim Curry - Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire > 10. Caroline Lavelle - A Case of You > 11. Cleo Laine - Both Sides Now > 12. Cassandra Wilson - Black Crow > 13. Betty Buckley - River > 14. Betty Buckley - A Case of You > 15. Bonnie Raitt - That Song About The Midway > 16. Holly Cole - River > 17. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Woodstock > (alternate version) > 18. Phoebe Snow - A Case of You > > If you guys dig the idea, I'll continue offering > a retro-volume every month. According to the > yousendit website, they've upgraded to allow more > downloads from a single link. If you aren't able > to get it and want it, please let me know. > > Bob > > NP: Fairport Convention, "Both Sides Now" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:30:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc appendix 4.5 If a song has never been recorded, as David suggested, you must get permission from the owner to use it, that is, the owner has the first shot at it. Most any song that's been recorded will be available through Harry Fox, and anyone can cover it once it's been released. If Fox doesn't have it, you would contact the publisher, or if there is none, the author. RR ps what's a dramatic frame? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald A. Notaro" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc > What Randy and David have described is a song that has been both > copyrighted and licensed. The original question asked only if the song had > been copyrighted. The vast majority of songs that are copyrighted in the > U.S. are not also licensed. The U.S. Copyright archives are full of them. > Though if a song has already been recorded by someone, it has most > probably been licensed. But they are not the same thing. Licensing a > copyright song gives the assigned permission to those who use it from the > copyright owne. Purchasing a license also takes care of compensating the > copyright owner. > > Jerry > > Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >> I think Randy covered the situation very comprehensively. I would add >> that >> once the song has been published, to cover it on a recording involves >> ONLY >> this compulsory license from Fox that he described. >> I believe this is referred to in the biz as a "small performing right" >> and >> you do not need the writers' or publishers' permission, as long as there >> is no >> dramatic frame superposed around the song. >> >> >> LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:32:57 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc Beckett birthday bash Beckett, Master of the Bleak, Gets a Birthday Bash in Dublin By BRIAN LAVERY Published: April 15, 2006 DUBLIN, April 12 -- In the surprise hit show of Ireland's monthlong festival celebrating Samuel Beckett , who was born on April 13 100 years ago, the star actor does not say a word: Sir Michael Gambon sits on a bed and listens to a disembodied recorded woman's voice for about 30 minutes. Enthusiastic audiences, mesmerized by the subtle reactions of Sir Michael's weathered features, have been snapping up tickets at prices that average out at a dollar a minute. The popularity of "Eh Joe," a relatively unknown 1965 script that Beckett wrote for television, has been one of many pleasant revelations during a month in his native city when Beckett is, quite simply, inescapable. Like the face of Big Brother, Beckett's hawklike visage glares down from banners fluttering alongside the River Liffey and over cobblestone streets in the Temple Bar cultural district here. National radio and television stations broadcast his plays daily. A weeklong academic symposium drew crowds to Trinity College. The American artist Jenny Holzer projected quotations from Beckett's work onto Dublin landmarks, shining them with powerful lights onto the sides of the buildings. The presence of the rock star Bono at the opening event of the festival, where he read one of his own Beckett-style poems, helped propel the festival onto newspaper front pages and into the national consciousness. Seventeen years after his death, and almost 60 years after he redefined modern drama with "Waiting for Godot," Beckett is undeniably en vogue. "As a role model, he's as hip and cool as can possibly be," said John Kelly , a radio disc jockey who was the host of several televised Beckett discussions this week. Beckett, like punk musicians and any bona fide rebel, rejected the cult of celebrity that sprang up around him, Mr. Kelly said. Even supposedly difficult works like "Godot," he said, appeal to today's bored teenagers, who, like the tramps in the play, hang around "waiting for life to arrive." That perspective, and the festival, are bringing Beckett's bleak worldview and his wicked sense of humor to new audiences. "There is the idea that he's not that easy to read or to watch, and I think that is being chiseled away," said Conor Lovett, a Paris-based Irish actor who has been performing Beckett monologues for two decades. During the festival he was on daily radio broadcasts, at the Irish Museum of Modern Art and in a performance space in the bustling financial services district here. He says he is playing to progressively younger crowds. The festival also includes 10 exhibitions and several concerts of work that inspired, and was inspired by, Beckett's writing, including a string quartet by Morton Feldman and videos by Bruce Nauman. "He'd hate to hear me say this, but he is almost festival-friendly," said Michael Colgan, chairman of the centenary festival and director of the Gate Theater, which is staging "Eh Joe" and nine other plays. "The shadow that he cast is quite a long shadow." Beckett's minimalist aesthetic also makes stage managers' jobs easier and allows festival planners to schedule several of his short plays in quick succession. Props, if any, are rarely more complicated than a carrot and a piece of rope. Sets are spartan. Mr. Kelly, the disc jockey, said he worried that Beckett's reputation might continue to overshadow his work, and that his iconic image would soon appear on T-shirts. "I'm slightly cautious of the man being commodified," he said. "It's sort of like jazz: it's a shorthand for mood and feeling, and sophistication, even if you don't listen to it." Similar concerns about posthumously exploiting writers for commercial ends arose during the James Joyce festival in Ireland in 2004. John O'Donoghue, the government's arts minister, tried to dispel those fears in an interview. "It's about celebrating their achievements and making sure their legacies are secure," he said. The government will spend at least one million euros producing the Beckett festival, he said. But Mr. O'Donoghue also acknowledged that major arts festivals helped in "differentiating Ireland as a destination" for tourists. "The genius of Beckett is his capacity to convey a complexity of thought, in accessible language," Mr. O'Donoghue said. "You don't just view Beckett. You listen to the language, and there's a beautiful musicality to that language." There is no denying that the Irish, and their government, appreciate writers and artists more now than in the past, and support them with tax breaks and generous public financing. A generation ago, when appreciation was virtually nonexistent, the government banned books, and writers felt obliged to emigrate. Beckett moved to Paris in 1937, rarely came back to Ireland, and wrote much of his greatest work in French. Theatergoers have laughed about how the famously reclusive author would have reacted to the sprawling festival, which by some counts is the sixth major posthumous celebration of his work. "He wouldn't have turned up at a single event, and he couldn't have borne the hoopla element," said Mr. Colgan, who knew Beckett for the last three years of his life. "He would have been in pain at any of the launches that I did." But if he could have observed from a safe distance? "He would have loved it," Mr. Colgan said. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - That's kinda what I was figuring, Mark...why punish you for not knowing that THIS was the coolest internet cafe back in '99? Plus, with the technology enhancements being what they are now, it just seems to make sense. And I'll add that the original spark for the project was from one of your countrymen in Sydney, the honorable John Low, my wombattish friend. Bob NP: Built To Spill, "Traces" (best rock album of the year thus far, at least what I've heard) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:22:33 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Brokeback Mountain NJC Hi folks. I know there was a thread on this movie recently. I couldn't contribute much since I hadn't seen the movie. I purposely didn't go see it at the cinema because I knew it would cause a tear or two and I hate to cry in public. Well, I finally got to see it last night. I know this is not an appropriate forum to discuss a movie with no Joni content at all but, this movie has moved me far more than I ever expected and I have no one else to discuss my feeling on this. I know you'll mostly be sympathetic. Part of the reason this movie effected me so deeply is because of an incident that happened to me several years ago. It was right about the time I first joined the JMDL. I was at university in Canberra and started to use an internet chat program for the first time. I met a guy in Wyoming. He was a cowboy who lived a life just like Ennis. He lived on a ranch and was married to a girl he went to school with. They were expected to marry. He knew he had feelings for guys and felt trapped in that life. We chatted only when he felt safe enough. He was always afraid of being discovered. His marriage was rocky and there was no feeling there. He slept in the barn but she never knew what was going on in his head. His father - a rancher - never knew either. He felt he couldn't leave that lifestyle but couldn't stand the torture too. He was desperate. He was getting to the point of considering suicide. I guess he felt safe talking to me because I was in Australia and totally removed from that culture. We even talked about the possibility of moving to Australia. It was far fetched to him. He sent me pictures of himself and he looked like a typical Wyoming cowboy. Very handsome. We chatted many times on the phone when his wife was not at home. The line was always unreliable with drop outs often. It was an isolated place he lived in. Many times he had to hang up suddenly because his wife came home. I was desperate to help him in some way. Then one day, he just disappeared. He didn't call me, he didn't appear online anymore and no mail from him. I tried to find him but never did. The situation in Brokeback Mountain has happened all over the world. The largest suicide group in Australia are gay adolescents in rural areas of Australia. Australia has a lot in common with the United States. There are gay cowboys out there contemplating an end to their torture right now. For that reason too, my tears continue. I feel very lucky to have been born and raised in a liberal city like Sydney but my thoughts are always with those who are less fortunate. Thank you for letting me share my thoughts. Mark in Sydney. NP He Was a Friend of Mine - Willie Nelson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:47:11 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 1 - Where it all began - On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Bob Muller wrote: > That's kinda what I was figuring, Mark...why > punish you for not knowing that THIS was the > coolest internet cafe back in '99? Plus, with the > technology enhancements being what they are now, > it just seems to make sense. That plus it's a great track list. I don't necessarily want every Joni cover, but the moment I saw the contents I started the download. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:22:09 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: copyright law in the US -- njc If there's a script, the use is no longer a "small performance." Therefore, almost all recordings ARE small; a ''one-woman show" could well require permission of the copyright owners, because there almost certainly would be a script involved. I suspect that for the Elaine Stritch theater piece that was so successful a couple of years ago (I forget the title), the songs she sang had to be licensed from the copyright holders. She could not perform them under a compulsory license. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:29:17 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: Re: Is Joni a Healthy person Nuriel Tobias wrote: I honestly think that an album like TI was made to make you feel very uncomfortable with yourself and the world around you. The only word i can think of to discribe this is vomit, meaning that Joni was vomitting her anger and bitterness in order to release herself, but what happened is that she's really poisoning minds in this album, and i'll never forget how sick i felt the day i heard it for the first time. It was like a snake bit me. Worse than that, i think it has come to a point where i truely feel that Joni is enjoying this. ------------------------- I'm sorry, but this is just insane. Yes, Joni expresses anger and bitterness in her art ... artists do that. Especially when there's so much in the world to be angry and bitter about. And art often makes its audience uncomfortable, nothing wrong with that. People on both sides of artistic relationship often find this cathartic, but some don't, and that's OK, too. You felt sick upon hearing TI for the first time ... that's your honest reaction, no one can argue with that. But to extrapolate that Joni is "poisoning minds" and, worse, that she "is enjoying this" is just completely beyond the pale. Can you imagine living a life as a sincere, committed artist, and somewhere out there among your audience there's someone who is convinced that you're intentionally hurting them and indulging in Schadenfreude over their discomfort? I mean, really ... - Fred Simon ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #146 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------