From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 14 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 144 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Ruth Paz Foundation Fundraiser [Michael Paz ] Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers [Gertus@aol.com] lisa winn on cd baby NJC [mags h ] lisa winn in the Netherlands....NJC [mags h ] Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers [Lucy Hone ] Re: Peace, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni and the Sun [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni and the Sun [Em ] Re: Joni and the Sun [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: njc, Kate playing ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Henry Lewy ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: inspire, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni and the Sun [Em ] Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni and the Sun [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Henry Lewy ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Henry Lewy ["Sherelle Smith" ] Anti-war songs [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Is Joni a Healthy person ["Cassy" ] Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person [djp ] william sloan coffin njc died today [vince ] Anti-war songs ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:06:28 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers No, very sorry, but I couldn't make the date to my regret, as I told Jamie. I hope to read Jamie's review and wish all those who go a great time. Lieve in London (but off to Belgium this weekend) - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: 13 April 2006 00:14 To: Jamie's Box of Paints; Joni JMDL Cc: Lieve Reckers; Lucy Hone; Les Ross; Jacky Walls Subject: Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers Jamie - Lieve had said she was going, is that still the case? What about Lucy, Les, Jacky? Wish *I* was going. Bob NP: Joni, "Conversation" - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone else was going > to the Ian Shaw concert on > Saturday at the Bloomsbury Theatre (in > Bloomsbury)? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This email has been virus scanned ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:36:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Ruth Paz Foundation Fundraiser Hi Everybody- This email is to let you know about a great fundraiser being held in Miami, Florida to help the Ruth Paz Foundation with our Burn Clinic in Honduras. Maria Celeste Arrara's is hosting a Rock and Roll Cocktail at her residence in Miami on Friday May 5th, 2006 from 8pm-12pm. Contribution is $300 per person. Attire is for a Rock Concert. She is a Latin TV star who is organizing this event to help us. There will be lots of celebs and there will be auctions of memorabilia etc. to raise more money. My sister and I are both planning on attending. It is possible I will not be able to go because of my video shoot schedule at Jazz Fest but I am trying to work that out. I will let you know soon as I am having a meeting with the producers today. If any of you party animals in Florida want to go please write me with your address privately and I will send you an invitation with all the details. Have a great day! Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:43:37 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers No, I can't make it either. We have a house full as it's Easter. I must say it's nice to get all these JMDL e-mails though. It's time we all met up again. "Who knows where the time goes?" Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: lisa winn on cd baby NJC check her out on CD baby too... Im listening to "cover my eyes".... mags. let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ I'll keep on moving Things are bound to be improving these days These days- These days I sit on corner stones And count the time in quarter tones to ten, my friend Don't confront me with my failures I had not forgotten them ~jackson browne~ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: lisa winn in the Netherlands....NJC i know, i rattle on and on about how fantastic the canadian music scene is, and for many of you, it takes no convincing because you know all about that...anyway....here i am again singing praises, this time, for Lisa Winn. this is mostly for the euro folks on the list. if you can, see Lisa Winn in concert. she has an incredible voice and a presence that is making its mark in the music world. she hails from the hamilton ontario area, and can often be found weaving vocals with Jacob Moon ... i am doing promo work for Jacob for his upandcoming time in the Peg. anyway..this link will lead you to the shows in the Netherlands , as well as checking out her angel voice on the available MP3s her CDs are wonderful. Catherine McKay saw Lisa in concert with me at the Staircase Theatre. Cat can attest to Lisa's strong and beautiful voice. Mags let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ I'll keep on moving Things are bound to be improving these days These days- These days I sit on corner stones And count the time in quarter tones to ten, my friend Don't confront me with my failures I had not forgotten them ~jackson browne~ - --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2"/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:15:15 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers Ok, it's looks like that it's just gonna be Jamie 'On His Own' Zubairi at this gig.... Oh, and Ian Shaw fans.... ;-) Jamie Zoob On 13/04/06, Gertus@aol.com wrote: > > No, I can't make it either. We have a house full as it's Easter. > I must say it's nice to get all these JMDL e-mails though. It's time we all > met up again. "Who knows where the time goes?" > > Jacky - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/jamie.zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni, Life, Death All these sad events made me think...Joni is really a very vivid songwriter...In the sense that she's writing about LIFE and LIVING so well...Not at all morbid...When i was younger listening to her made me feel like i'll live forever...As if she's worked out death in her songs...Something very eternal in her work...Maybe that's why i feel it's so very important that she would continue...And so strange that she chose to stop...If she releases another album, i'm sure it would be one of her most amazing...Saying goes that she wrote 3 new songs, and i'd kill to find out what they're about...Cause she's getting older and yet so very much alive... Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2"/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:56:45 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers Ah seeing the end of your mail there Jacky, who knows indeed..where does it go?.... and spookily synchronously I was listening to Sandy Denny asking that question earlier on in the car...... WE also have a houseload this Easter... I like Easter... Lucy Gertus@aol.com wrote: > No, I can't make it either. We have a house full as it's Easter. > I must say it's nice to get all these JMDL e-mails though. It's time > we all met up again. "Who knows where the time goes?" > > Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:03:05 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Peace, njc A Peacenik wrote: no nuclear option for anyone. . this is the only way to solve nuclear option think about it. . . it is all about annihilation. . . that is what it is: annihilation entire communities wiped out. . innocent people. . . killed. . . children, horses, cows, animals, kitties, dogs, birds, trees, ecosystems. . humans annihilated.. this nuclear warfare is not acceptable simply not acceptable Hi Peacenik, Annihilation doesn't require nuclear arms. There are other ways to destroy people, nations, land, etc. I would love for there to be no nuclear arms. I'm all for that. But I don't see it happening nor do I think it will happen because of the current disposition of humanity not only as a whole but also as individuals. It is easy to say we love, yet we fight, neglect, and sometimes even say we hate those who are closest to us... battles go on inside hearts, even and maybe particularly targeting family members. Let me quote a modern day prophet, John Michael Talbot: "We cannot expect to deal with the potential external fire of a sweeping nuclear holocaust if we cannot deal with the destructive fires that sweep through our own human souls. How can we deal with the big problems outside of us if we haven't yet dealt with their cause that still dwells within us? If there is still major war within our souls, how can we effectively stop wars in the world. We cannot." He is a person who has dealt with his own destructive fires and has truly become a man of peace toward all his brothers and sisters, so I listen to him. He continues by saying: "Would it not actually be better to disarm unilaterally? Simply to refuse to use nuclear weapons at all is surely the only moral way in the face of such a holocaust. If we play bluff at the bargaining table in the arms race, we must be willing to use those arms. Otherwise our bluff is itself a lie and self-deceit. If we use the arms at all we become immoral as a nation. The only moral option is to disarm bilaterally, or if we must, unilaterally. Of course bilateral disarmament is the first and more appealing option. This does not mean we would refuse resistance to Communist takeover. If the United States unilaterally disarmed, the people of the United States would have to make it emphatically clear to any Communist nation that we would nonviolently resist on every domestic level. Faced with such nonviolent noncooperation, no foreign power could overcome us without killing us all. The the question would arise: Would we rather use our nuclear weapons and take the world with us, or would we sacrifice our own lives in the name of human life and peace? I could only pray we would take the moral rather than the immoral option. While recognizing the civil government's right to use the just force of "an eye for an eye" to keep the peace, and the right of a nation to defend itself with conventional arms in the self-defense of the traditional "just war," the Church has unhesitantly condemned the use of nuclear arms and the arms race. In the Constitution of the Church in the Modern World, the Catholic Church speaks clearly on the question of nuclear arms: "Acts of war involving these weapons can inflict massive and indiscriminate destruction, thus going far beyond the bounds of legitimate defense. Indeed, if the kind of instruments which can now be found in the armories of the great nations were to be employed to their fullest, an almost total and altogether reciprocal slaughter of each side by the other would follow, not to mention the widespread devastation that would take place in the world and the deadly aftereffects that would be spawned by the use of weapons of this kind. All these considerations compel us to undertake an evaluation of war with an entirely new attitude." The old laws about war are no longer relevant. It is almost as if God has allowed us to see the ultimate end of war in order to force the whole human race to a decision: If we continue to choose war, we will now destroy ourselves. As to the legitimacy of "detente," or the deterrence of nuclear war by a mutual build-up of nuclear arms, the Church is again clear. "Many regard this as the most effective way by which peace of a sort can be maintained between nations at the present time.... Men should be convinced that the arms race in which an already considerable number of countries are engaged is not a safe way to preserve a steady peace. The causes of war are in danger of being gradually aggravated.... The arms race is an utterly treacherous trap for humanity." The above paragraphs are quotes from John's book, Fire of God. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni and the Sun I've just realized i never saw Joni wearing sunglasses...And for such a sun-and-summer-loving woman like her, i don't remember ever seeing her tanned, at least not during recent years...on the other hand, it seems to me she's always wearing hats to hide herself from the sun, and looks pretty pale...Skin white or skin golden? What do you think? Love, Nuri p.s. - Do you think she's ever been to a nudist beach?:) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > p.s. - Do you think she's ever been to a nudist beach?:) on the rocks in FTR cover? People are being warned these days not to get too much sun. Where in the 60's and 70's and 80's people would lay out alot and get dark, now I see people with sun bonnets and straw hats and wearing long sleeve gauzy things, to keep the sun off. Its just healthier really, even tho pasty white doesn't *look* as nice as tan, I guess it is healthier. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun Hi Em Sorry to bother you with this question - but do you really consider Joni as a healthy person?... Em wrote: People are being warned these days not to get too much sun. Where in the 60's and 70's and 80's people would lay out alot and get dark, now I see people with sun bonnets and straw hats and wearing long sleeve gauzy things, to keep the sun off. Its just healthier really, even tho pasty white doesn't *look* as nice as tan, I guess it is healthier. Em - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:52:29 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: njc, Kate playing Hi Kate, My dear niece who was also in the Air Force at the time had to go when her son was less than one year old so I understand how you feel. And worse of all, it was my brother, her father who had to order her to go as her superior. He said he felt like Abraham sacrificing Isaac at the altar. It was the worst experience of his life. I know how you feel. She made it back safe and sound, and then got out! She is pregnant with her second son and does not want a repeat experience. Love, Sherelle Kate wrote: Sherelle you nailed it when you wrote "Give them songs of love and hope as well as comfort." That is exactly what I am reaching for (perhaps some of my emotion over this is because my dear nephew who is in the airforce will soon be deployed to 'the desert' leaving his young wife & baby girl)... Thank you all for indulging me in this quest... it is always remarkable to me to be able to put out a request like this & get such incredible feedback ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:55:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Henry Lewy Mark, I had the opportunity to see "Woman of Heart and Mind" about a month ago and there was a gentleman who worked with her who could understand her musical idiosyncricies (sp?) when no one else could. I thought it was wonderful. Is this the gentleman who passed away? Sherelle Mark wrote: I don't think this is njc. Joni must be having a hard time right now. First Don Alias and then Henry. Two people who surely had significant places in her life and in her art. It's hard when good friends pass away and to lose two so close together has to be very sad for Joni. My thoughts are with her and all of those these two people touched. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:21:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: inspire, njc HI Marianne and thank you for the thread! I try to inspire others to dream and to hope. I talk about being able to do anything you set your mind to because that's what my father told me. I wrote those words in a song to him entitled "Mighty Blue" and I'm so happy I had the opportunity to perform it! Love, Sherelle Marianne wrote: musician friends, What message do you give to others when you are on stage? What do you say to inspire others? Each of us can inspire others in our own way. . . whether we be a musician, a teacher, an artist, a student, a clerk, librarian, nurse, administative assistant, carpenter . . .. what ever we are. . . Each of us can inspire Joni has inspired us. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun Hi Nuri, well not as far as the smoking. But aside from that, maybe she is healthy. I really don't know. She's not fat. So that health hazard isn't there. I just do not know. I hope so. I think of her entire "thrust" in life as healthy. Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Hi Em > > Sorry to bother you with this question - but do you really consider > Joni as a healthy person?... > > > > Em wrote: > People are being warned these days not to get too much sun. Where > in > the 60's and 70's and 80's people would lay out alot and get dark, > now > I see people with sun bonnets and straw hats and wearing long sleeve > gauzy things, to keep the sun off. Its just healthier really, even > tho > pasty white doesn't *look* as nice as tan, I guess it is healthier. > Em > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Ian Shaw UK jimdlers Well, look on the bright side, Jamie - you can embellish all you want, and even declare that Joni was there, and who could dispute it? Enjoy, and I look forward to reading your report. Bob NP: Roine Stolt, "Dog With A Million Bones" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun I'm sure there was plenty of nude beaching when she was hanging out with the Mattala hippies, Nuri - and no, I don't have any pictures. Seems like I've seen quite a few pics of her with sunglasses too, though as you say she is beyond her prime tanning years and smartly shades herself against it. Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person Yes, Em, it's hard to tell, i know what you mean. I must say that a moto like "all i want to do right now is find another lover" (and that is a Joni basic, imho) is very unhealthy. I think that happiness IS health, and Joni's wealth, isn't, after all, love. Love or money? I think most of us know the answer to that one. The fact that Joni, who wrote so much about love and maybe helped us all in finding it, winded up without a man by her side, is worse than her smoking. I think that the lack of man's love for life, is the "source" to all her bitterness towards so many things. But that's just me, and i really do not want to upset anyone who believes she's happier than ever. I for one don't buy that. Let me know what you think... Love, Nuri Em wrote: Hi Nuri, well not as far as the smoking. But aside from that, maybe she is healthy. I really don't know. She's not fat. So that health hazard isn't there. I just do not know. I hope so. I think of her entire "thrust" in life as healthy. Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Hi Em > > Sorry to bother you with this question - but do you really consider > Joni as a healthy person?... > > > > Em wrote: > People are being warned these days not to get too much sun. Where > in > the 60's and 70's and 80's people would lay out alot and get dark, > now > I see people with sun bonnets and straw hats and wearing long sleeve > gauzy things, to keep the sun off. Its just healthier really, even > tho > pasty white doesn't *look* as nice as tan, I guess it is healthier. > Em > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person djp@grandecom.net wrote: "Oh, please. She's bitter because she's not getting laid?" Oh please yourself, whoever you are. I was talking about love, not sex. Some of us can still tell the difference between this and that and thank God for that. But stepping down to your level, not that it pleases me much, i'd have to say that "not getting laid", as you call it, is not that sweet or for that matter healthy either. "She seems to be surrounded by loving friends and family, seems pretty content with life outside of her dealings with the music business. Her exes love her dearly. This is perhaps, after all these years, more satisfying to her than heterosexual monogamous coupling." Like i said before, i don't buy that. Nothing and no one can replace the true love of a man/woman in one's life. Take some time to read the lyrics for Last Chance Lost and you'll see what i mean. "djp,reminded of a bumper sticker from the 70's: A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." Strangely enough, i'm reminded by "If i didn't have love i'd be nothing", so you can stick that revolting bumper wherever you feel like... Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:34:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Is Joni a Healthy person One thing more... Whenever i listen to Joni's albums, there's always a strange feeling of some "slight disease" taking over...If being happy is what health's all about, then the amounts of sadness pouring from so many songs is a sign of a very troubled and unhealthy mind. I know, i know, this is VERY argueable, but sometimes her songs are really overloaded with a strange sicky mood. TTT is a fine example for an album that was made to hurt it's listenr badly, but again, that's just me and my thoughts. Nuri - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:19:20 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Henry Lewy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherelle Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Henry Lewy > Mark, I had the opportunity to see "Woman of Heart and Mind" about a month > ago and there was a gentleman who worked with her who could understand her > musical idiosyncricies (sp?) when no one else could. I thought it was > wonderful. Is this the gentleman who passed away? Hi Sherelle, I haven't watched 'Woman of Heart and Mind' in a long time but I would imagine that it was him. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:23:20 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Henry Lewy Thanks Mark, I think you are right. I was very touched by that musical relationship. Sherelle >From: "Mark Scott" >To: "Sherelle Smith" , >Subject: Re: Henry Lewy >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:19:20 -0700 > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherelle Smith" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:55 PM >Subject: Re: Henry Lewy > > >>Mark, I had the opportunity to see "Woman of Heart and Mind" about a month >>ago and there was a gentleman who worked with her who could understand her >>musical idiosyncricies (sp?) when no one else could. I thought it was >>wonderful. Is this the gentleman who passed away? > >Hi Sherelle, > >I haven't watched 'Woman of Heart and Mind' in a long time but I would >imagine that it was him. > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:33:56 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Anti-war songs Hi Bruce. I would like to suggest The Beat of Black Wings. It is the best personalisation of war I have heard in a song. Mark in Sydney NP Funkytown -Lipps Inc (How gay is that?!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:33:24 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Is Joni a Healthy person I disagree. I don't believe that Joni made any of her music to hurt it's listener badly. If one can relate to where her head is when that piece or those pieces were written then her ability to move us to huge emotion is masterful and I'm sure she intended to move us by making us think and feel strongly. There have been times Joni sang my life. At those times her music hurt me... not because the music *actually* hurt me but because the lyrics stirred the memory of a hurt in my own life or she was, with her music, in exactly the same place I was and my soul was moved by her ability to put into such succinct and beautiful words the way I felt. I can't count the times I've cried listening to Joni music. For me, when I play her music she creates an atmosphere where I feel safe to let myself feel and she moves me like no other songwriter ever has. Regarding Joni's health, mental or physical, I can only send positive energy in her general direction, light a white candle and hope tonight she can feel us there. Speculating is not really somewhere I want to go though I can hope she's able to bring her musical talents to us for a long time to come. Warmly, Cassy NP: Distant Lover - Marvin Gaye From: "Nuriel Tobias" <<< I know, i know, this is VERY argueable, but sometimes her songs are really overloaded with a strange sicky mood. TTT is a fine example for an album that was made to hurt it's listenr badly, but again, that's just me and my thoughts. >>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:42:39 -0500 From: djp Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person At 07:24 PM 4/13/2006, Nuriel Tobias wrote: >"djp,reminded of a bumper sticker from the 70's: A woman without a man is >like a fish >without a bicycle." > > Strangely enough, i'm reminded by "If i didn't have love i'd be > nothing", so you can stick that revolting bumper wherever you feel like... I seem to have hit a nerve. I was suggesting, and I'll suggest again, that she has *plenty* of love in her life, even without a husband. And she seems content, except as regards her treatment by the music industry. Also, I'm not sure what you meant when you referred to me as "whoever you are." I'm a member of this list. If that's not enough, you can look up my gallery listing on jonimitchell.com. If that's not enough, you can keep engaging with me and get to know me. djp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:29:52 -0400 From: vince Subject: william sloan coffin njc died today Coffin and His Contemporaries William Sloane Coffin was a link in the long chain of America's great Protestant prophetic voices. Excerpted from "William Sloane Coffin Jr.: A Holy Impatience," by Warren Goldstein Between the early 1960s and the end of the 20th century, William Sloane Coffin Jr. was, after Martin Luther King Jr., the most influential liberal Protestant in America. The qualifiers are important. Protestants constituted a majority of American Christians during this period, but only by combining liberal and conservative denominations. The conservative Billy Graham, for instance, had almost unbroken access to the White House during this entire period and preached to many millions in revivals and on television across the United States. A host of right-wing radio and television evangelists have also had large and regular audiences. During this time, also, Martin Luther King Jr. dominated the liberal religious landscape for a dozen years by leading the greatest movement of his era and achieving unanticipated preeminence. Never rising to King's level of influence, Coffin's effect remained more varied and diffuse, and less momentous. He preached nothing comparable to King's "I Have a Dream" speech, for example. Neither, of course, did any other minister in the twentieth century. But the sheer force of Coffin's personality, his deceptively simple condensations of Christianity, his invariably ebullient, often witty, example, were felt intensely by--depending on the occasion--dozens, hundreds, thousands, or (on TV) even millions of Americans. Neither a theologian nor a denominational executive, Coffin ought not to be compared with his fellow liberals John Bennett and Robert McAfee Brown, or Abraham Joshua Heschel, Methodist Bishop G. Bromley Oxnam, or the Presbyterian Eugene Carson Blake. His controversial public stands at Yale University and at Riverside Church, his television appearances, and his frequent national press attention from the early 1960s through the 1980s all made him a household word--indeed a religious celebrity--like none of these colleagues. The closest parallels to Coffin may be those other flamboyant religious figures of the period: Daniel and Philip Berrigan. The Berrigans were willing to follow their God down nearly any path, dramatically attacking the war machine and creating a mystique that fed the sixties' appetite for "authentic" action. As a result, they drew so much attention to their own personal "witness" that many, even in the antiwar movement, found their example off-putting. By surrounding themselves with other Catholics, and by speaking a relatively impermeable language, the Berrigans showed little interest in the ecumenical movement in American religion that sparked so much clergy involvement in civil rights and the antiwar movement. Finally, while they had many admirers, they had relatively few followers. Coffin's similarity to the Berrigans lay in his eagerness to stake out risky political positions grounded in a clear extrapolation of Christian faith and in his willingness to make his own actions the subject of controversy. His effort to send medical supplies to North Vietnam, for example, appeared to be a publicity-seeking kick in the teeth to the families of American soldiers then facing danger in Vietnam. But Coffin used the occasion gladly to explain to critics the fundamental, unimpeachable Christian principles on which it was based. Similarly, in 1979 Coffin celebrated Christmas with the American hostages in Iran because observing Christmas with captives was a more important Christian act than worrying that the anti-American government of Iran might be using him. He sought situations that would force people to rethink their assumptions regarding war and human community. Coffin consistently used his position in the heart of the American establishment to raise questions that people could answer without feeling they had to go to jail. And if he could not lead others, Coffin had little interest in an issue. He never heard the call to martyrdom. As he saw it, the biblical prophets were called to name and seek redress for the sinfulness and affliction of their people--not wander in the wilderness: to speak the word of God, to risk censure but not martyrdom. Moreover, while never abandoning his own Christianity, Coffin preached to Jews as well as gentiles at Yale and elsewhere. Profoundly influenced by the ecumenical spirit of American religious activism in the early 1960s, Coffin lived in an ecumenical world, relied on ecumenical audiences, and worked on political issues in an ecumenical manner. While it shocked some Riverside Church members when Coffin hired a Jew to run the Disarmament Program, he himself gave the question no thought at all. Deeply affected by Heschel (and later by the Rabbi Marshall Meyer), and drawn above all to the Old Testament prophets (and Paul in the New Testament), Coffin preached a more open theology than his Catholic counterparts. His language invited listeners into the world of his belief--it appeared not to pose tests that most mortals would fail. Jews, by and large, did not respond emotionally to the language of Catholic radicalism, with its emphasis on witness, its monastic flavor, its rituals steeped in blood. A surprising number could respond to the morally charged language of Niebuhrian prophetic Protestant liberalism, perhaps because Niebuhr himself preferred what he called the emotional Hebraic-prophetic roots of Christianity. Like Martin Luther King Jr., Coffin did not remain fully in the postwar Niebuhrian tragic sensibility. He either followed or paralleled King's turn toward a modern Social Gospel, combining Niebuhr's skepticism about human goodness with Gandhi's insistence on the transforming power of love. Coffin used Niebuhr as critique--of sentimentality, of self-righteousness, of pride--but thought and felt more like King and St. Paul when it came to love. In practice, for Coffin, that meant he preached the glories of a large God whose power he celebrated and praised (as he said over and over, "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done"). The gap between this relatively distant God and suffering, sinful humanity could be bridged only by love. That was a version of Christianity to which Catholics and Jews could relate easily; many, Jews in particular, found Coffin's preaching and religious advocacy not only congenial, but also moving and powerful. Precisely because Coffin could represent his Christianity in such ecumenical terms, he was gradually able to claim the role--previously held by Henry Ward Beecher in the 19th century and Walter Rauschenbusch, Harry Emerson Fosdick, and Martin Luther King Jr. in the 20th--not only of liberal Protestant preacher, but of liberal preacher to the nation. As such, Coffin was the liberal counterpart to Billy Graham and, from the 1970s on, the true successor to Martin Luther King Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:35:55 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Anti-war songs You know, when it came out, "The Fiddle and the Drum" was very powerful to me. And it's just as powerful now--I don't listen to Clouds all that often, but a capella anti-war songs like "Fiddle" or Steve Goodman's "Ballad of Penny Evans," once memorized, are amazingly portable. I carry them with me in the same way I carry the great Emily Dickinson poem "After great pain, a Formal Feeling comes--," which has sustained me in times of grief. Of course there's also room for the rambunctious, "And it's a one, two, three,/ What are we fighting for? / Don't ask me I don't give a damn / Next stop is ol' Iran" 'night all! Richartd - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark-Leon Thorne Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:34 PM To: brucejuli@homeinternet.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Anti-war songs Hi Bruce. I would like to suggest The Beat of Black Wings. It is the best personalisation of war I have heard in a song. Mark in Sydney NP Funkytown -Lipps Inc (How gay is that?!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #144 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------