From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #134 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 7 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 134 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bush blah blah (njc) [] RE: BREAKING NEWS NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["mike pritchard" ] Re: fictional characters njc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Bush blah blah (njc) [Bob Muller ] Re: ITMFA! (njc) ["Cassy" ] Re: Both Sides Now on DVD-A ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc [Em ] Re: My kid is going to art school!!! njc ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] More music forthcoming? ["Australian Seashells" ] Dancing Goats -- njc [Smurf ] Joni guitar licks [Dave Blackburn ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc [Em ] Re: fictional characters njc [Catherine McKay ] Joni at the Duplex ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc [Catherine McKay ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20religion=20and=A0=20love,=20njc?= [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: More music forthcoming? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni guitar licks [Catherine McKay ] Re: ITMFA! (njc) [frednow@aol.com] njc, and you can quote me on that ["Patti Parlette" ] Not much going on in Saskatchewan? Wrong. [Kate ] Re: Catherine and carpal tunnel njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Bush blah blah (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni guitar licks [Randy Remote ] Re: Not much going on in Saskatchewan? Wrong. [Catherine McKay Subject: Bush blah blah (njc) Debra wrote: "And if anyone disagrees, next part of the routine is to say that only angry unpatriotic Democrats would be upset" I think they are definitely angry but wouldn't call them unpatriotic. "or maybe they're just disillusioned (which is impossible for people who never fell for the illusion in the first place, but honest thinking isn't a hallmark of the Repubs). Always an excuse." Using my word disillusioned - o.k. I can try another word but none would be acceptable to the dissecters. "If that doesn't work this time, they can always mention Clinton." I do not blame Clinton for 9/11 nor do I blame Bush. Clinton did warn us about Al Quaida for years. The "blame" if one must search for it would take years to sort out and assign. I think in a way we are all to "blame" going back through several administrations because we never adequately dealt with the problem and we let our security, immigration and numerous other governmental safeguards go way sloppy. I halfway wish everything in the country could be turned over to the Democrats now. Let them rule the world. Maybe then at least this might become a music discussion list again. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:09:55 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: BREAKING NEWS NJC Debra Shea, in NYC said: >>Wish I could get even the hint of a smile when thinking about these lying incompetents hurting us all.<< The first thing I'm gonna do when I eventually get to new york is to call Debra and invite her out to lunch. Debra, you are always so inspiring, long may you run... mike in barcelona np Ian Shaw - Night Ride Home ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:13:29 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item >>And I won't ask, but I can imagine - damn! I didn't even know that a GOLD Hejira existed. The Gold Blue usually sells for around $100 on ebay these days, with WTRF going for about half that.<<< Why would anyone in their right mind want to pay through the nose for GOLD version of WTRF? mike in Barcelona, feeling dazed and confused... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:16:24 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: fictional characters njc We are all fictional characters, acting out our lives every day, for the amusement / entertainment of others, or for our own. And sometimes we lose the plot. Where was I? mike in barcelona np Ian Shaw - Both Sides Now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 03:31:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Bush blah blah (njc) Ready & waiting here in SC, Kakki - as much as you like Simon & Garfunkel, have you checked out the Kings Of Convenience? Between the S/G harmonies and samba rhythms, I just think you'd flip over some of their stuff. And I know you're a Dan fan like me - do you have Fagen's 'Morph The Cat'? Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Titanium Expose" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:05:16 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: ITMFA! (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: <<< Now he has coined a new acronym, one whose time has surely come: ITMFA! Yes, it stands for Impeach The Motherfucker Already! >>> What! And make Dick Cheney President? Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:11:13 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Both Sides Now on DVD-A Hi Dave Yes I have a copy but only so far have a dvd-video player so only hear it in stereo (pah!) but I'm looking to upgrade to include the whole shebang with a hi-spec audio system. I have heard it on a mate's system and it was breathtaking... I think I should go into various audio shops with the disc and just blow them away with it... Probably the only dvd-audio disc out there (of modern music) that is worth the transfer. I think Counting Crows have one... but really... I wish that Travelodge would be transferred in the same way, but only because I love certain tracks on that album so much more. It is lovely hearing the 'smoky Joni' do her thing in surround, close our eyes and she could be 3 feet away singing... Much Joni Jamie Zoob PS sorry for not piping up about this post, I've been moving house for the past couple of weeks and finally it's all over and I've moved but still not got internet in the new place so I'm at work 'on lunch' at my desk On 31/03/06, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I don't know how many of you are into hi-res surround DVD-A but Both > Sides Now is absolutely breathtaking when you are "inside" the mix. > As far as I can tell it is the only Joni album available in true > 24/96 5.1 surround. If your DVD player is DVD-A capable and you have > the home theater speaker thing set up I highly recommend getting a > copy. They cost the same as a full price CD, about $18. > > But I'm getting the idea on this list that Joni's "smoky" last albums > are not well liked round here. My take on the smoking thread is that, > although watching someone shorten their life by smoking is tragic, > that very "tragic-ness" is conveyed in the singing voice and adds > gravitas to a lyric like nothing else. Bonnie Raitt too would never > have her sound without the whiskey and smokes all those pre-Grammy > years. For my money Joni's voice is gorgeous on her last albums even > though she sounds like a different singer than before. And BSN in > surround is the way to hear it. > > Dave > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/jamie.zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:24:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: RE: BREAKING NEWS NJC Do it! Having lunch, or brunch, is always a highlight of my trips to NY. Jerry mike pritchard wrote: > Debra Shea, in NYC said: > >>>Wish I could get even the hint of a smile when thinking about these >>> lying > incompetents hurting us all.<< > > The first thing I'm gonna do when I eventually get to new york is to call > Debra and invite her out to lunch. Debra, you are always so inspiring, > long > may you run... > mike in barcelona > np Ian Shaw - Night Ride Home ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc so what does one do with the anger? I used to drink alot. Not so much an option anymore, so I've been trying to excercize every day, so when I get into bed I am physically tired out - helps me not to lay there and simmer - not stew in the juices of my own bad feelings. I really just want this poison out of me. Too bad grass makes me paranoid and uptight. Life is like REALLY for learning, but its not easy learning, this figuring it out stuff.....it just really baffles me. Some people seem sooooooo well adjusted. Amazing when you have to physically tire yourself out just so you don't go nuts from brain activity. But I'm HAPPY to have the option! One old friend of mine discovered he loves to dance! Like cajun type dancing. So thats what he does, dance dance dance! Its like his happy-fix. I used to get a happy-fix from riding my motorcycle, but thats faded a bit. So I'm floundering a bit. Question: what do some of you all do with the anger - once you acknowledge that is exists within you? Do you excercize? do you fight in bars? does music do it for you? either playing, or listening? is that enough? or? :) Em - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Julius wrote: > > > Thank you, Lori. I stand corrected. But now I'm really pissed! > :-) > > hehe. Loved it. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:28:18 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: My kid is going to art school!!! njc Hi Catherine OHMIGOSH!!! That's fantastic! I expect Sarah is over the MOON! Art school is so much more exciting and nurturing than any other university course. And of course it's still hard work, mainly because you start at 9 and you finish when you finish, which could be whenever! I did a year on Foundation in Art before deciding that Acting was the way I wanted to go. But that year was certainly very challenging in terms of technical ability, creative ability and personal growth. Sarah should enjoy it very much (of course, it will mean a lot of changes for her which may be challenging for both of you but forwarned is forarmed...). My advice to her: Enjoy the challenges, welcome the changes, it means you can take them! Sorry for piping up on this subject now, I've been in boxes for the past few weeks and moved over the weekend to the new place and haven't set up the pc yet. So I'm at work 'on lunch' as they call it... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 04/04/06, Catherine McKay wrote: > I am so excited that I have to tell all my friends and > everyone I know - especially my Joniamigos. > > My daughter just got an acceptance letter from the > Ontario College of Art and Design. Of course, most of > you have never heard about it, but it's a bit of a big > deal here and of all the schools Sarah applied to, > this is the one she really wanted to get into, but we > were afraid she might not and were going for Plan B > (and C and so on down the line.) She has a learning > disability and doesn't get the best marks in some > subjects but HOT DAMN!!! my kid is going to art school > next year and I am thrilled to bits! > > http://www.ocad.on.ca/ocad_home.htm > > Thanks for indulging an old and foolish, but very > proud, mother. > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/jamie.zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Bush Comes to Muskegon - --- vince wrote: > I dialed 911 and there was Bush's voice: "I am the police and you are > an > enemy combatant, I have declassified you. Good bye, Osama lover." omg I just HEARD this.... reading this I was exactly able to hear Bush SAYING this. whoa.... helluva trance or dream, Vince...I love that you recall all the details... would make a hell of a video montage! :) thanks for taking the time to blow us away with your weird visions. Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:18:05 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc Original Message: - ----------------- From: Em emzdogz@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc >Question: what do some of you all do with the anger - once you >acknowledge that is exists within you? I take it out on the nearest Republican. JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:07:27 +0800 From: "Australian Seashells" Subject: More music forthcoming? Just stood in front of my CD collection, looked at Joni's collected works (every one a voyage of discovery and what a journey) and mused about the unlikely event of more original music from her turning up on that shelf. I feel like howling. Don't get me wrong. I do appreciate being a painter can be a full-time job too. Plus you can listen to music while you're painting. Do I love the visual arts? You bet. I have just discovered Rosella Namok (great painter, fabulous work!). Movies? - count me in, let's go. But Music is a fine line, an escalator, a barge, a toboggan slide directly into your subconscious, neatly bypassing security checks and other safeguards. It carries what you put here in the way of content, feeling, atmosphere, lyrics, understanding, heart's blood - you name it. It rushes right in and does weird and wild things to your insides. It's universal, making you grow, widening horizons and certainly helped me undermine my stubborn predjudices and limitations. Joni has dealt me a big, yummy, hefty slice of that cake and I am thankful and appreciative but I can't help it - I feel like Obelix, wanting the even bigger, yummier uncut bit. I want it all. Howl. If Joni has some unpublished music up her sleeve, I sincerely and truly wish she would release it now. If producing a new album is really too elaborate and expensive, why not make a few tracks available on the net? Now that would be like playing to a small intimate audience. The big wide world wouldn't notice, but all who care certainly would. Does she think she's forgotten? That nobody cares? Kidding, right?! Or is this reluctance still about success and recognition?! (Not that I mind the ongoing argument, as long as it turns into such songs as "Tiger" - please go right ahead, anger can be useful). But does she need gold-rimmed invitations or perhaps more heartfelt posts like these? Surely success is represented right here? To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded. - inaccurately attributed to Ralph Waldo Emerson, writer and philosopher (1803-1882). Go on, google it and find out who really wrote this - you know you want to.. :) Simone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Dancing Goats -- njc I bought a bag of coffee beans to bring to work this morning and noticed AFTER I bought it that it is called "Dancing Goats Blend!" So I immediately assumed the name was a reference to Joni's "California," but I checked out their website and found out I was mistaken. http://www.dancinggoats.com/ Coffee was first discovered in what is now called Ethiopia. According to legend, the area's remote highlands were home to a goatherd named Kaldi. His quiet, peaceful life was changed forever when one afternoon his goats failed to return home. After hours of searching he spied them off in the distance, frolicking about. As he drew closer, Kaldi could see that his goats' lively behavior came from eating the little red berries off a shiny green-leafed shrub. He tasted some himself and shared the exhilaration of his Dancing Goats.. - - - I like the logo. The coffee's good too. --Smurf - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:35:50 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Joni guitar licks To which I must add the opening riff of Coyote. I get this rush of excitement knowing that the wonderful ride of the whole Hejira album is about to unfold. And I totally agree with CC about the George Benson/Jazz Chorus and (I'm guessing) MXR Phase 90 or Gibson Univibe being a great signature sound. She never used it again on other albums. The guitars and Jaco bass parts were also double tracked on much of the album and that gives the overall sound a great thickness and extra chorusing. I've been able to dial up a pretty close emulation of it on my POD XT with Epiphone 335; Robin and I are about to add Coyote to our show and so I've working on this sound. Dave Blackburn <6. Refuge Of The Roads, Song for Sharon and Hejira (Hejira/Shadows and Light versions)...the Ibanez George Benson and Roland Jazz Chorus amp combo still is a signature sound: insular and personally intimate, brilliantly devised in complement to the compositions and further proof of Joni's genius.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:59:58 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc Em asked: > > Question: what do some of you all do with the anger - once you > acknowledge that is exists within you? > Do you excercize? do you fight in bars? > does music do it for you? either playing, or listening? is that enough? > or? - --If it pertains to an individual that I have access to Em I tell them about it, in whatever way seems appropriate at the time. If the anger is mighty, then sometimes it might even be inappropriate. Other times, I get busy and clean, clean, clean. Talk it over with friends. Write and express much of it into words. Most times mull it over in my head and try to verify the validity of it, what made me angry in the first place. Send it to the processing center in the brain and disseminate it. If no access to the angering offender, just let it go. mack > :) > Em > > --- mack watson-bush wrote: > > > Julius wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Lori. I stand corrected. But now I'm really pissed! > > :-) > > > > hehe. Loved it. > > > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:07:51 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc > Question: what do some of you all do with the anger - once you > acknowledge that is exists within you? > Do you excercize? do you fight in bars? > does music do it for you? either playing, or listening? is that enough? > or? > :) > Em > I know you didn't ask me specifically, Em, but as usual I have some thoughts on this question. I'm grappling with the same dilemma myself and I've gotten some expert advice, which I'll try to share in part. Please pardon all this if it doesn't apply to you: First and foremost, it's not the anger...it's the anxiety, I think. Anger can and should be recognized and vented in a productive way...posting to this list honestly about your feelings is one way to vent them. It's important not to deny your feelings if you have them, as I posted...that's key. Secondly, anxiety problems are brought about by a variety of causes operating on numerous different levels. These levels include heredity, biology, family background and upbringing, conditioning, recent stressors, your self-talk and personal belief system, your ability to express feelings and so on. I won't go into details on each of these areas here, but will be glad to discuss them off-list to preserve bandwidth In brief, there is evidence that chronically suppressed anger sets up a disturbance in serotonin levels in the brain. Not good. That is a known cause of anxiety. Stress is a bitch. For best quality of life results, minimize it whenever and wherever you can. There's a thing called a "Life Events Survey" that measures stress levels based on an average score. I highly recommend finding it on Google or something and assessing your stress level. I was surprised at what life events can and do cause stress, which can manifest itself in misplaced anger. Check it out. Finally, you mentioned that you used to drink a lot...did one or both of your parents drink excessively? If so you may be predisposed to anxiety and anger issues, based on your childhood circumstances. No amount of dancing or bar-fighting's gonna alleviate that. I decided to talk to some professionals to sort all that out. Again, apologies if none of these issues are yours. They're certainly some of mine. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc thats great Mack! I'm just picturing little used anger particles disseminating out of your ears, to float upwards through the sky into space where they will combine with other stuff to become some kind of nicer energy perhaps. hehhhh..thanks. Em - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Most times mull it over in my head and try to verify > the > validity of it, what made me angry in the first place. Send it to > the > processing center in the brain and disseminate it. If no access to > the > angering offender, just let it go. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:19:00 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc Oh Em, forgot an important one. Listen to music, Joni Mitchell is very good for anger dissemination. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:19:34 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: religion and love, njc Just something I am wondering .. you know I have been to catholic school, etc. and I am wondering: Q. Are there references to Christ and other Christ associates who have told others, "I love you." Not just love of god. .. but "I love you" to others. . . I heard "love others," I guess. perhaps there are many references. . I was just thinking about this. . I mean, I have been to chuch many times . . I cannot remember this being said at church. . . (I am not a catholic, many of my friends are catholic) curious. . . "Love's the greatest beauty. . . love." corinthians 13 but what else? and anything in church? Any other religions saying "I love you?" pondering this on a Friday (???) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc hey Julius, yeah all that stuff really does apply to me. Thats really cool that you have taken steps to address it. And research it. I think I am going to do the same. I think you are right about anxiety. Wishing there were an alternate list where we could discuss this, and others from the list could join in too, if they were interested. Cuz you're right, this isn't going to be of general list interest...since no one on here ever has excess, uncontrolled anger or anxiety..lol...kidding. How about if I start a temporary Yahoo group, for the purpose of this? I really do want to start taking care of this. Part of it is fueled by the pop culture we have swirling around, too. IN the evenings I sometimes (well ok, pretty often) watch CSI re-runs on SPIKE TV (the "men's" channel) and I can't believe the ads I see for this "fight" show they have. The fighters (street fighters? kickboxers?) actually say they hate each other personally and want to kill each other, etc. Not even the PRETENSE of sportsmanship. Its just fueling a culture of hate and wanting to hurt others. Why would that be? I guess there's just excess anger "floating around". Its seems like the most obscene thing I've ever seen on the TV. I'd like to get it out of my life. Wish I could do that for my mom too. Some people get juiced up on anger. Its like an energizer, but damn, its really poison. So what do you think about me setting up the little temporary Yahoo list for this? I then when we're done - we can ditch it. If you want just let me know offlist. But there's been so much anger floating around onlist...I was just wanting to talk about the "nature" of it a bit more. :) thx! btw, my question was really for everyone...so yeah, I *did* ask you... - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > > I know you didn't ask me specifically, Em, but as usual I have some > thoughts > on this question. I'm grappling with the same dilemma myself and > I've gotten > some expert advice, which I'll try to share in part. Please pardon > all this > if it doesn't apply to you: ..snip... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:32:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: fictional characters njc - --- mike pritchard wrote: > We are all fictional characters, acting out our > lives every day, for the > amusement / entertainment of others, or for our own. > And sometimes we lose the > plot. Where was I? > mike in barcelona We are the Alien Ant Farm. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Joni at the Duplex Tales of Joni: The Storefront Sings Mitchell Presented April 23 & 30 by BWW News Desk The Storefront has announced plans for its second production of 2006. Tales of Joni: The Storefront Sings Mitchell will be presented on Sundays, April 23rd and 30th at 7pm at The Duplex Cabaret Theatre (61 Christopher St., in the heart of New Yorks West Village). Tales of Joni follows on the success of We Miss Nancy: The Storefront Sings LaMott, which was presented in both 2005 and 2006. A stellar array of theatre and cabaret performers will present Mitchells work over the course of the two evenings. Included in the cast will be: Todd Almond, Lisa Asher, Bobby Belfry, Jeff Blumenkrantz (Broadways Urban Cowboy), Pamela Bob, Jarrod Cafaro (Naked Boys Singing), Nick Cearley, Brandon Cutrell, Sarajean Devenport, Baby Jane Dexter, Tim DiPasqua, Suzanne Fiore, Michael Holland, Karen Mack, Liz McCartney (Broadways Taboo), Brian Nash, Kate Pazakis, Ricky Ritzel, Gabrielle Stravelli and Rachel Ulanet. Tales of Joni will be produced and directed by Phil Geoffrey Bond, with Musical Direction by Ray Fellman. "When the dust settles, Joni Mitchell may stand as the most important and influential female recording artist of the late 20th century. Uncompromising and iconoclastic, Mitchell confounded expectations at every turn; restlessly innovative, her music evolved from deeply personal folk stylings into pop, jazz, avant-garde and even world music, presaging the multicultural experimentation of the 1980s and 1990s by over a decade," state press notes. Mitchell began her rise to acclaim as singer of folk-rock music beginning in the mid-sixties. In addition, she also found success writing songs for other singers--"Both Sides Now" was a hit for Judy Collins, "Eastern Rain" for Fairport Convention" and "The Circle Game" for Tom Rush. Earning a cult following, her 1969 sophomore effort, "Clouds," reached the Top 40, while 1970's "Ladies of the Canyon" sold even better on the strength of the single "Big Yellow Taxi." It also included her anthemic composition, "Woodstock," a major hit for Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. She reached her apex of commercial and critical approval with her landmark 1971 record Blue. Stylistic experimentation would mark follow-up albums such as "For the Roses," "Court and Spark," "Miles of Aisles," "The Hissing of Summer Lawns," "Hejira" and "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," among others. Mitchell returned to pop territory for 1982's "Wild Things Run Fast;" the first single, a cover of the Elvis Presley hit "(You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care," became her first chart single in eight years. Mitchell made a move into electronic sounds with 1988's "Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm," featuring guests Peter Gabriel, Willie Nelson, Tom Petty and Billy Idol. Albums since include "Night Ride Home," "Taming the Tiger" and "Both Sides Now." Mitchell has announced that 2002's "Travelogue" will be her last album, as she intended to retire. Fortunately, she later renounced those plans. There is a $12 cover charge ($10 for members of MAC and Cabaret Hotline Online), as well as a two-drink minimum. Credit cards are accepted, and no one under 21 will be permitted. For reservations, please call 212.255.5438. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:51:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc - --- Em wrote: > so what does one do with the anger? > > I used to drink alot. Not so much an option anymore, > so I've been > trying to excercize every day, so when I get into > bed I am physically > tired out - helps me not to lay there and simmer - > not stew in the > juices of my own bad feelings. > I really just want this poison out of me. [...] > Question: what do some of you all do with the anger > - once you > acknowledge that is exists within you? > Do you excercize? do you fight in bars? > does music do it for you? either playing, or > listening? is that enough? > or? > :) Hey, chiquita. Good question. I've heard and read the depression is anger turned inwards so, if you don't lose it, you gotta use it. Lately I don't count on nothing, I just let things slide. And that's not good in this case. Playing music (either listening or playing the guitar and/or singing) has always worked for me, as has physical exercise. But lately, I've become too slothful to exercise, although, having got rid of the car, I'm walking more. But lately also, I've been feeling a lot of pain in my joints and a lot of nerves are acting up (in my hands in one of my legs) and, between that and trying to reach a separation agreement with my ex after all these years, and getting ready to sell my house (it went on the market last night), I'm in a bit of a tizzy doing housework things, dealing with my lawyer and all that. So, I have neither exercised, nor played the guitar for a long while and I know I gots to get back to that particular garden before I blow a fuse of some kind. On the other hand, there are times I feel surprisingly calm about all this, because I really have to. So I'm trying to be very detached and objective about this, for the sake of my own sanity and that of the kids. The ex is being a bit of a dick, but hey, c'est la vie and it was always thus. I have a fairly clear vision right now of where I'm going and that's not so bad. I don't know where we're going to live, but I have confidence that we will find the right place. I figure, when you have that feeling, then the universe conspires and so on. Most days I succeed in feeling very confident about all this but sometimes I just have a good crying fit and get it out of my system. Having a punching bag might not be a bad idea either! Comedy is also good - there's nothing like a good larf when you're feeling like shite. If anyone can recommend things to do for what is probably carpal tunnel syndrome in the hands, and how to deal with insomnia without drugs, I'd love to hear it. I'm trying to avoid my doctor because he seems to have turned into a pill pusher. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:52:29 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20religion=20and=A0=20love,=20njc?= Here's a "Short Handbook on [Biblical] Love" from the Church of Christ people, Marianne. http://www.sjchurchofchrist.org/agape.shtml - -Julius In a message dated 4/7/06 8:46:15 AM, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > Just something I am wondering .. > > you know I have been to catholic school, etc. > > and I am wondering: > > Q. Are there references to Christ and other Christ associates who have told > others, "I love you." > > Not just love of god. .. but "I love you" to others. . . > > I heard "love others," I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More music forthcoming? - --- Australian Seashells wrote: > If Joni has some unpublished music up her sleeve, I > sincerely and truly wish > she would release it now. If producing a new album > is really too elaborate > and expensive, why not make a few tracks available > on the net? I would be content if she would decide to officially release a lot of the stuff that many of us have as bootlegs - the early songs. Even if I already have a lot of that stuff, I'd still welcome an offical release of it, with Joni's art and a nice booklet to go with it (large-print, please!) But I wouldn't object to a new song or two either. Maybe she's just taking a break? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni guitar licks - --- Dave Blackburn wrote: > To which I must add the opening riff of Coyote. I > get this rush of > excitement knowing that the wonderful ride of the > whole Hejira album > is about to unfold. Oh yeah! Always sounds to me like just heading out on a trip to somewhere special. Every vacation road trip should commence with the playing of "Hejira" in its entirety the minute the key turns in the ignition. Those coyote chords are just the ticket. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:59:58 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: Re: ITMFA! (njc) Cheney has been the president for 5 years now. Fred - -----Original Message----- From: Cassy To: frednow@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:05:16 -0400 Subject: Re: ITMFA! (njc) ----- Original Message ----- From: <<< Now he has coined a new acronym, one whose time has surely come: ITMFA! Yes, it stands for Impeach The Motherfucker Already! >>> What! And make Dick Cheney President? Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:21:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, and you can quote me on that I loved your quotes, Fred! Thank you! If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison, 4th US president (1751-1836) Someone spray-painted that on my workplace building (Humanities) a while ago and I loved it! I was sad when they cleaned it off. And this one bears repeating, too: Naturally the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. - Hermann Goering at Nuremberg Jawohl, Herr Goering!!!!! Das stimmt genau! Okay, may I have a turn, please? I just now ran across this quote (a new one to me), and I think it's worth sharing: "When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will have peace." ~ Jimi Hendrix LOVE, Patti P. "Be the change you wish to see in the world." ~ Mahatma Gandhi "Experience convinces me that permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth & violence." ~ Mahatma Gandhi (I like this Gandhi guy! I could cut and paste his quotes all day!) And then more contemporary quotes (I sent these to my high school alumni website/discussion list back in February 2003, trying like crazy to stop the dark war clouds): "If we go in (to Iraq) unilaterally, or without the full weight of international organizations behind us, if we go in with a very sparse number of allies, if we go in without an effective information operation.....we're liable to supercharge recruiting for al-Qaida." - --General Wesley Clark, former NATO Supreme Commander "It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another....We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started..." - --Marine General Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S. Forces in the Middle East Nobody stopped to hear them, though they spoke so...... HELP!!! I'm quoting and I can't shut up! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:26:49 -0700 (PDT) From: osiris Subject: theocracy/timocracy, hierocracy... democracy? ya goota be kiddin` me! J S Bach has been credited with so many noble and Universal works. Beyond Brandenburg Concertosthe Well Tempered Clavier, Cello Suites, Jesu Joy of Man`s Desiring.. Music written and directed solely for the praise and Glory of "The One." "Woe be they Who forsake Eternity for the exploitation of the moment." Historically the quote is to have said... "Woe be He"... That was then, this is now. Politics makes for strange bedfellows; and, in light of the discourse on "Bareback Mountain" ,... I would have to agree. Although I have not seen it, We all have an obligation to "be" who and what We are. I`m sure that Plato and Aristotle would have their own opinion(s), just as We do. After all, they so eloquenlty described society... government ..democracy. As well as recognized Human nature. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. Plutocracy? *snort*... yeah, You betcha! Xerocracy... Critical Mass.. "They can kill me once but; they can`t kill me twice". The common people rule? "I gotta get a" new hat" Bullwinkle Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: osiris Subject: sjc< Annie DIllard Cold rain, a need for warmth have me quilted and warm beside the fire. Reading Anie Dillard again. "A Pilgrim at Tinker Creek." Joni has always provided me with such massive imagery, with the Art of words. Her and Dillard seem somehow connected... "like stations in some relay." I had to pause, contemplate after reading this one... again: "If the landscape reveals one certainty, It is that the Extravagant gesture is the very stuff of Creation. After the one extravagant gesture in the First Place, the Universe has continued to deal exclusively in extrvavgances. Flinging intricacies and collossi down aeons of emptiness; heaping profusions on profligacies with fresh vigor." Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:39:52 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Not much going on in Saskatchewan? Wrong. Bree: > also...on the prairies..not much going on..so any weather change would be > of great interest...a break in the monotony. Saskatchewan weather changes often and quickly. Like the agricultural lifestyle, it is far from monotonous for those who live and work in it, but since the province's economy is agriculture-based and the farm work schedule depends on the weather, people are intensely aware of what it's doing. Yep, we look to the sky and we notice what direction the wind's coming from. Also, we don't get a lot of precipitation some years so rain is usually welcomed, and because of our "big skies" an incoming squall can be quite the sight to see ... people would certainly clear a dance floor to go outside and watch a rainstorm coming in, especially if we haven't had any for a while. While there is a common misconception (by urbanites and teenagers) that all the excitement happens in the cities, where there is assumed to be a wider choice of entertainments, all you have to do is drop into a curling or skating rink in any small community in Saskatchewan and you'll find quite the beehive of activity ... every night and every weekend, all winter. And winter sports aren't all that can be found to do. Slo-pitch and softball are popular out here in spring and summer, and there are tournaments most weekends, and people travel all over the province to attend those in other communities as well. Then there are choirs, arts councils, Kinsmen and Lions groups ... kids are involved in dance, karate, 4-H clubs, and so on and so forth .... and don't get me started on all the stuff the ladies' church auxiliary groups have going on at any given moment. There is constant fundraising (dances, runs, walks, bake sales, bazaars, raffles, talent shows, teas, lunches, barbecues, poker derbies, on and on it goes ... there is something happening EVERY weekend and pretty much every night of the week in the town of about 1000 outside of which I live) for an endless number of charities (Saskatchewan people, in this "have-not" province of one million people, give more to charity per capita than any other province; whenever there's anything going on in the community, people get out and support it) and for projects like new halls, rink repairs, etc ... there is ALWAYS something going on! And not just in the winter. People are very active socially, and they're still working hard too, so they're always busy. Not much going on? Ha! The provincial economy is sluggish, yes -- but people who choose to live here find that there is plenty to do. Ah, the pastoral life ... well, it's not the quiet, laidback "retirement lifestyle" that urban dwellers imagine ... it's hard labour, usually seven long days a week ... and what amazes me is how people around here find the energy and time to be involved in all the social activities that are available. But they do. Bree, I didn't take offence at your off-the-cuff characterization of prairie weather or lifestyle ... but it is a too-common illusion I couldn't let pass without saying something. There is plenty going on ... I guess it's because people are people, wherever they are. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:47:21 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Catherine and carpal tunnel njc Catherine wrote: > > If anyone can recommend things to do for what is > probably carpal tunnel syndrome in the hands, and how > to deal with insomnia without drugs, I'd love to hear > it. I'm trying to avoid my doctor because he seems to > have turned into a pill pusher. > - --I'll give it a shot Catherine and you can do what you will with the info. Have had two friends that have actually had the surgery to correct the condition. One said it really helped her, the other said it didn't help at all. I have always thought I had the oddest body and it seemed as if I am different body types rolled into one. Don't know exactly what heredity or God was trying to accomplish. 6'1" tall, thin. Have always been thin. Pretty big body frame but very thin ankles and wrists. I have never seen another man my size with wrists this thin. Although I have small hands I can put my entire hand around my wrists. No comments, they aren't particularly limp. When younger and playing a lot of tennis and basketball the wrists would get sore and often injured. Seemed as if they were always sore and bending them always caused pain. In my 20's and waiting tables I served with my left hand and carried my trays with the right. The left wrist became increasingly bothersome and painful. After a while I developed a lump on the inner wrist. Not red, just a quarter sized lump that was mushy. I could push it down and it would return. Very unsightly and embarrassing. I went to the dr. and he took a syringe and pulled out a lot of fluid like looked like and had the texture of dippity doo. It would, invariably, return after a while and I would return for another drain session. The last time it showed up I happened to be stoned and sitting at my desk. Out of anger I raised my arm and slammed the lump into the desk and flattened it. Believe it or not, it never came back. Not advocating the action, it hurt. Though the lump was gone, the pain was not and still hurts when I type, as now, or bend the joint. Working as a nurse, we do the repetitive kind of things that irritate the condition, such as pulling charts from the rack behind us and hurling them onto the desk, picking up O2 tanks, etc. The past few years the right arm has joined in and hurts a lot too. I am scared of surgery and anesthesia, never yet having to have either so will not do the surgery. The one thing that does help a lot with the pain is wrist braces'. You can buy them at the pharmacy and they hold the arm in good position and take away much of the pain. The only other thing that really helps is to do my best to not use them too much and not to put too much stress on that joint. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:51:36 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_religion_and=A0_love=2C_njc?= Julius wrote: > Here's a "Short Handbook on [Biblical] Love" from the Church of Christ > people, Marianne. This is the church I was raised up in Marianne. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: NYC (RE: BREAKING NEWS) NJC - --- mike pritchard wrote: > The first thing I'm gonna do when I eventually get > to new york is to call > Debra and invite her out to lunch. Sounds good to me! And maybe wandering and talking and seeing the sites (or the sights?), too. > Debra, you are > always so inspiring, long > may you run... Thanks for the positive feedback, Mike. I sure hope I do have a long run. In person I don't do nearly as much speechifying as I do when writing. (Or at least that's how I see it; listeners may feel differently about that.) It takes strong emotions about a subject to get me started, so I used to do a lot of listening. These days not so much. (You've been forewarned. :-) So, start saving your euros... Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:29:57 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Bush blah blah (njc) > Maybe then at least this might become a music discussion list again. As one of the most guilty of NOT discussing much music here lately, let me also remind everyone that the "only Joni" options exist. Don't want to read these annoying non-music emails and can't delete or scroll through what you don't want to read? Switch to "only Joni!" To switch, send an email to joni-request@smoe.org, with the following commands in the body (without the asterisks): Un*sub*scribe joni Sub*scribe onlyjoni or Un*sub*scribe joni-digest Sub*scribe onlyjoni-digest etc. Always happy to help! Lori, always instigating (and WWJD? I think she would approve!) NP: Pink, "Runaway" (someone once told me the appropriate music is always playing in the background, guess they were right, since this my first listen to Pink's latest cd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:52:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike pritchard" > Why would anyone in their right mind want to pay through the nose for GOLD > version of WTRF? Because it's one of her best albums, silly! My most valuable Joni would be the memories of her performances at Bread & Roses w/Herbie Hancock & solo previewing songs from WTRF, and her show at Berkeley with Tom Scott/LA Express, complete with nipple slip! RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:56:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni guitar licks Gotta mention that opening chromatic run on "Woman of Heart and Mind" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Not much going on in Saskatchewan? Wrong. - --- Kate wrote: > While there is a common misconception (by urbanites > and teenagers) that all > the excitement happens in the cities, where there is > assumed to be a wider > choice of entertainments, all you have to do is drop > into a curling or > skating rink in any small community in Saskatchewan > and you'll find quite > the beehive of activity ... every night and every > weekend, all winter. And > winter sports aren't all that can be found to do. > Slo-pitch and softball are > popular out here in spring and summer, and there are > tournaments most > weekends, and people travel all over the province to > attend those in other > communities as well. My brother lives in Alberta (that rich oil province where they pay no sales tax, dammit!) Not the prairies, to be sure, but the foothills of the Rockies. (Well, sometimes. Right now, and for a few years since he was laid off at the papermill, he's working out of Edmonton, but his wife and youngest child are still back in stinky Hinton). They've lived out there for quite a long time and are ALWAYS doing something. They think nothing of driving hundreds of kilometres for a hockey game (whether it's the pros in Edmonton, or one of the kids' teams) or to see a rock concert. I can't believe how much energy they've got. I whine and bitch about how long it takes to get to and from work. I live less than 10 km from where I work, but still need to allow an hour each way because of traffic, subway delays & so on. There is definitely something to be said for living - and working - outside the city. My bro drives home (several hundred km) every weekend and then goes back to Edmonton either Sunday night or Monday morning early. And I've always loved a good thunderstorm. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #134 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------