From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #132 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 7 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 132 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] RE: BREAKING NEWS NJC ["Azeem" ] njc, Bush's press conference ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Song- Dear Mr President (Pink & Indigo Girls) NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC [Em ] Re: njc, Bush's press conference ["Lori Fye" ] Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] BREAKING NEWS [Claud9 ] njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] njc, Bush [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] earth / sky ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: njc, Bush ["Lori Fye" ] Re: njc, Bush ["Lori Fye" ] Re: njc, Bush [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: njc, Bush ["Lori Fye" ] Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: njc, Bush ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Song- Dear Mr President (Pink & Indigo Girls) NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Jonifest in Houston! [Bob Muller ] Re: njc, Bush [vince ] Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC ["gene" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Lori Fye" ] Re: njc, Bush ["Lori Fye" ] Re: fictional characters njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC [vince ] njc, Bush Comes to Muskegon [vince ] RE: njc, Bush's press conference ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: njc, Bush Comes to Muskegon [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: njc, Bush's press conference ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: About anger and 9/11 njc ["mack watson-bush" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:25:00 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC > My guess is that the likes of the excerpt below will be the quick and dirty > spin, Debra. This until public reaction is gauged. Because after all / > that's what scapegoats are for My guess is that the likes of that excerpt are also similar to what the Republican faithful will say, too. "Oh, that Scooter. What an ass. He's just WRONG. He acted alone. It was all his fault." Kind of like Iran/Contra, when Reagan "knew nothing." (Then again, he had an excuse: he was literally asleep most of the time.) In the minds of the faithful, Bush/Cheney can do no wrong. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:29:12 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC wow - -------------- Original message -------------- From: dsknyc05 > --- MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > > > Scooter Libby testified that President Bush > > authorized the CIA leak to VP > > Dick to tell Libby to leak the name. Federal crime > > as well as treason I believe. > > Good luck at peeling back the layers of these > > onions, to get to the truth. > > The truth is finally coming to light. I recall Bush > saying that if someone in his administration had > leaked classified information, which is illegal, > they'd be "taken care of." > > It'll be interesting to see what excuses Repubs come > up with for this one. > > In Court Filings, Cheney Aide Says Bush Approved Leak > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > Published: April 6, 2006 > Filed at 12:58 p.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney's former > top aide told prosecutors President Bush authorized > the leak of sensitive intelligence information about > Iraq, according to court papers filed by prosecutors > in the CIA leak case. > > Debra Shea, > in NYC > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:31:13 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: BREAKING NEWS NJC Debra wrote: << The truth is finally coming to light. I recall Bush saying that if someone in his administration had leaked classified information, which is illegal, they'd be "taken care of." >> I can't help noticing the convenient fact that "taken care of" has two diametrically opposed meanings - is Dubya hedging his bets here, depending on how expendable the culprit is? ;-) Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 05/04/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:45:09 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Bush's press conference Bree wrote: "One of my biggest ...granted I haven't had many complaints about President Bush... is that he doesn't give enough press conferences. In his last press conference..he held his own..imo...so do more!!" That press conference. OMG. I wish you hadn't brought that up, because it's a hot button with me. Red hot. As in hot hot blazes in my heart and mind. Bree, you know I love you. I really really do. But did we watch the same press conference? I had quite the opposite reaction. I was driving home from work when I heard his "answer" to Helen Thomas's question on the radio. I had to pull over to call a friend because I was livid. Dark cloud above me! I could not believe my ears! He did not answer the question. It was unfrigginbelievable! When I got home and saw it on TV it was even worse, because of his body language and grimaces and gesticulating. I thought he was unravelling, the greed is the unravelling, I tell you it's the unravelling. I really thought he was losing it. It was embarrassing! I honestly thought the whole nation would rise up and say: ENOUGH!!!! Just the other day in my office, my friend Stuart and I were discussing this press conference and it was remarkable that, at the very same moment, the word that came out of both of our mouths was "buffoon", in exquisite timing. I am sorry, but that's what he looked like to me: a buffoon. A buffoon who is unravelling. And how about his speeches across the country to support the war? If the war is so right, why does he have to go around selling it to everyone, when there are so many other issues that need attention? Deep breath. Here is the transcript of part of the press conference: HELEN THOMAS: I'd like to ask you, Mr. President, your decision to invade Iraq has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis, wounds of Americans and Iraqis for a lifetime. Every reason given, publicly at least, has turned out not to be true. My question is, why did you really want to go to war? From the moment you stepped into the White House, from your Cabinet - -- your Cabinet officers, intelligence people, and so forth -- what was your real reason? You have said it wasn't oil -- quest for oil, it hasn't been Israel, or anything else. What was it? PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I think your premise, in all due respect to your question and to you as a lifelong journalist, is that, you know, I didn't want war. To assume I wanted war is just flat wrong, Helen, in all due respect -- HELEN THOMAS: Everything -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Hold on for a second, please. HELEN THOMAS: -- everything I've heard -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Excuse me, excuse me. No president wants war. Everything you may have heard is that, but it's just simply not true. My attitude about the defense of this country changed on September the 11th. We - -- when we got attacked, I vowed then and there to use every asset at my disposal to protect the American people. Our foreign policy changed on that day, Helen. You know, we used to think we were secure because of oceans and previous diplomacy, but we realized on September the 11th, 2001, that killers could destroy innocent life. And I'm never going to forget it. And I'm never going to forget the vow I made to the American people that we will do everything in our power to protect our people. Part of that meant to make sure that we didn't allow people to provide safe haven to an enemy. And that's why I went into Iraq -- hold on for a second - -- HELEN THOMAS: They didn't do anything to you or to our country. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Look -- excuse me for a second, please. Excuse me for a second. They did. The Taliban provided safe haven for al-Qaeda. That's where al-Qaeda trained -- HELEN THOMAS: I'm talking about Iraq -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Helen, excuse me. That's where -- Afghanistan provided safe haven for al-Qaeda. That's where they trained. That's where they plotted. That's where they planned the attacks that killed thousands of innocent Americans. I also saw a threat in Iraq. I was hoping to solve this problem diplomatically. That's why I went to the Security Council; that's why it was important to pass 1441, which was unanimously passed. And the world said, Disarm, disclose, or face serious consequences -- HELEN THOMAS: -- go to war -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: -- and therefore, we worked with the world, we worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did, and the world is safer for it. - --------------------- You can view it here (it's even "better" when you see it): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12437.htm Then another reporter asked when we might pull out of Iraq, and Bush said that that would be up to the Iraqi government and future presidents. Future presidents???????!!!!!!! He creates this huge mess and leaves it for future presidents. Oh my aching back. How many people are dying and being hurt and maimed and traumatized every day? For WHAT? And for how long? Peace, Patti P., what a sorry face I get to wear right now.... sigh : ( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:53:20 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC > I can't help noticing the convenient fact that "taken care of" has two > diametrically opposed meanings - is Dubya hedging his bets here, > depending on how expendable the culprit is? Someone on the News Hounds discussion boardhas already asked, "Wonder if Libby will live through the year now?" If he doesn't, the Repubs will figure out a way to blame it on ... CLINTON! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:07:15 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Song- Dear Mr President (Pink & Indigo Girls) NJC > http://www.radionewsamerica.com/media/kynd/president.mp3 Thanks for posting this, Kate. It's heart wrenchingly beautiful and the best thing I've heard since Jonatha Brooke's "War." Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: RE: BREAKING NEWS NJC - --- Azeem wrote: > I can't help noticing the convenient fact that > "taken care of" has two > diametrically opposed meanings - is Dubya hedging > his bets here, > depending on how expendable the culprit is? Oh, yes. Bush has always memorized his always carefully crafted (by Rove? Cheney?) lines well. My taken care of = fired and prosecuted if appropriate vs. the Bushies' taken care of = hidden, excused, and if people find out the truth and get upset at the wrongness of it all, there's always the "oops, something went wrong? oh well, we couldn't have known anything about that." I'd expect weasel Bush to say: 1. I have the right to do anything I want so I can declassify anything I want; 2. I didn't know Scooter was going to TELL anyone! (bad Scooter bad!). Oops again! That routine of setting things in motion and then putting the responsibility onto someone else (or something else like the U.N. or other countries) has worked for them many times, so by this evening they'll probably be using it again. There will be many different administration people saying the same thing on news reports (even using the same phrases) and then all their followers will start repeating the Bushies' lies as though it's the truth. And if anyone disagrees, next part of the routine is to say that only angry unpatriotic Democrats would be upset, or maybe they're just disillusioned (which is impossible for people who never fell for the illusion in the first place, but honest thinking isn't a hallmark of the Repubs). Always an excuse. If that doesn't work this time, they can always mention Clinton. > ;-) Wish I could get even the hint of a smile when thinking about these lying incompetents hurting us all. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC - --- Lori Fye wrote: > If he doesn't, the Repubs will figure out a way to blame it on ... > CLINTON! and not just Clinton, but HILLARY Clinton. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:33:45 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc, Bush's press conference > That press conference. OMG. I wish you hadn't brought that up, because > it's a hot button with me. Red hot. As in hot hot blazes in my heart and > mind. Bree, you know I love you. I really really do. But did we watch the > same press conference? I had quite the opposite reaction. It has to do with personal circuitry, Patti. Wiring at birth, or rewiring (or cross-wiring) somewhere later on in life. Nothing else explains it for me. Nothing at all. She's got all the wrong fuses and splices She's not going to fix it up Too easy Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:35:25 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC >> If he doesn't, the Repubs will figure out a way to blame it on ... >> CLINTON! > and not just Clinton, but HILLARY Clinton. Em, that actually made me laugh, OUT LOUD, at work! Hillary would appreciate it, I'm sure. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:15:41 -0400 From: Claud9 Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] BREAKING NEWS Wow, one big fat onion... Thanks for the news flash! Claud on 4/6/06 1:12 PM, MINGSDANCE@aol.com at MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > I didn't use njc because it will affect all of us. > Scooter Libby testified that President Bush authorized the CIA leak to VP Dick > to tell Libby to leak the name. Federal crime as well as treason I believe. > Good luck at peeling back the layers of these onions, to get to the truth. > Stay tuned, it gets brighter by the minute. > > Peace > Mingus > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "NortheastJonifest > " on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:31:58 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc the spring green color is one of my favoite things about spring. . and it is here here and there now ~ _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:41:52 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: njc, Bush A lot of the press conferance was significant but one tyhing overlooked is this: PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: My attitude about the defense of this country changed on September the 11th. We -- when we got attacked, I vowed then and there to use every asset at my disposal to protect the American people. Our foreign policy changed on that day, Helen. You know, we used to think we were secure because of oceans and previous diplomacy, but we realized on September the 11th, 2001, that killers could destroy innocent life. Bush: My attitude about the defense of this country changed on September the 11th. What type of attitude did he have when he ran for president and his first nine months in office? Do nothing? Bush: We -- when we got attacked, I vowed then and there to use every asset at my disposal to protect the American people. It took September 11th for this fool to understand that upholding the Constitution, the oath he swore, includes protecting the American people? Bush: Our foreign policy changed on that day, Helen. Yes, Before that it was to scoff at Clinton's warnings on terrorism and ignore the warnings he got in the daily briefings. Bush: You know, we used to think we were secure because of oceans and previous diplomacy, but we realized on September the 11th, 2001, that killers could destroy innocent life. What the hell kind of ignorant fools does this asshole think we are? If he doesn't think that, then how fucking stupid is he? Is there anyone who did not get over "America is protected by the oceans" by the end of World War 2? We went through a cold war - Sputnik, Cuban Missile Crisis, the arms race, the 30,000 strategic nuclear missiles aimed at the US by the USSR much discussed in the nuclear freeze struggles of the 1980s, Reagan's Star Wars proposals, the ABM and SALT I and SALT II treaties - and he still had a 1930s view that the oceans protect the United States? Did this blithering idiot ever hear of airplanes? Misisles? This is the man who scuttled the ABM treaty as soon as he took office? It took September 11th (after the prior attempt on the WTC), years of IRA terrorism, the genocide in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Rwanda, etc. etc. etc. etc. for this twit to realise "that killers could destroy innocent life" ?????? What kind of naive uniformed uncurious man-child is he? He is dangerous. He is dangerous to the world. And the most respectful thing that I can say for him is: Impeach the Mofo. Any American who buys into or excuses Bush's lies and spin... who buys into this as Bush being any good for this county... I can only presume the attraction is sexual or drug related because it is not based on rationality. The golly gee whiz aspect of this presidency is fine for role playing in private, but as far as the operation of the Executive Branch of my nation, the only super power in the world (for now) with all of the ramifications for that, there is no excise, not for Bush and his drones, not for those who buy into it. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:46:49 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: earth / sky "Back in my home town They would have cleared the floor Just to watch the rain come down! They're such sky oriented people Geared to changing weather" >Wonder what Joni meant? When I hear: "they're such sky oriented people". . . . . (that line is delightful) I think of Native Americans. ~ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:15:56 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc, Bush Ohhh, Vince ... I love you. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:17:07 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc, Bush VINCE FOR PRESIDENT. I'm writing you in. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:31:06 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: njc, Bush Only if I can have my pick of a Wyoming cowboy for, ah, vice president... - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lori Fye" > VINCE FOR PRESIDENT. > > I'm writing you in. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:51:47 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc, Bush > Only if I can have my pick of a Wyoming cowboy for, ah, vice president... LOL!! Done. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:06:37 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent [wo]men." -George Orwell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:27:16 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Bush I always did think of him as the Marlboro man. >Any American who buys into or excuses Bush's lies and spin... who buys into >this as Bush being any good for this county... I can only presume the >attraction is sexual or drug related because it is not based on >rationality. > >Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Song- Dear Mr President (Pink & Indigo Girls) NJC Thanks for sharing it, Kate - pretty powerful stuff - even though the download was pretty damaged, I got most of it. Sorta feel like Bush's corrupt house of cards is starting to topple. Hope so. He certainly doesn't have any political capital left to spend, and something's got to give - we can't take three more years of this crap. Bob NP: The Wood Brothers, "One More Day" (these guys tore up Black Crow at Carnegie Hall and this CD is EXCELLENT - Les, a must have for you.) - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > http://www.radionewsamerica.com/media/kynd/president.mp3 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:42:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item And I won't ask, but I can imagine - damn! I didn't even know that a GOLD Hejira existed. The Gold Blue usually sells for around $100 on ebay these days, with WTRF going for about half that. I'm gonna have to roadtrip down to see you and check that bad boy out. Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "I'll Be" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jonifest in Houston! Hey Tushie, The JM.com news bulletin has YOU listed as a player - you best tune up that guitar and blow 'em away with "I Think I Understand" just like you did in NYC. Wish I could be there to share the good times - will be there in spirit, my sister. Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Thinking About Tomorrow" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:43:12 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc, Bush I can see that! Thanks for the good humor! Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I always did think of him as the Marlboro man. > >> Any American who buys into or excuses Bush's lies and spin... who >> buys into this as Bush being any good for this county... I can only >> presume the attraction is sexual or drug related because it is not >> based on rationality. >> >> Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:23:44 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC i can hear it now------who you going to believe? the president of the united states or some underling. this administration is just unbelievable. happy day, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC > In a message dated 4/6/06 10:52:12 AM, dsknyc05@yahoo.com writes: > > It'll be interesting to see what excuses Repubs come > up with for this one. > > In Court Filings, Cheney Aide Says Bush Approved Leak > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > ------ > > My guess is that the likes of the excerpt below will be the quick and > dirty > spin, Debra. This until public reaction is gauged. Because after all / > that's > what scapegoats are for: > > CBS News' Beverley Lumpkin explains that while it is "well within the > power > of the president (and arguably the vice president, too) to declassify a > government document unilaterally b& this is not only embarrassing to the > president and > vice president in tying them to the dirty business. It's also very > damaging > to Scooter Libby's defense strategy that he was so busy he couldn't > possibly > have remembered knowing about Wilson and his wife." > --- > > -Julius > > !DSPAM:144,44355b0716291611447042! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:24:49 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item > Object: I have two promo matchbooks with the cover of TI > on them. I got them off ebay. When I showed them to my > wife, she smiled politely, took them and set them by her > candle. > > She actually thought she was suppose to use them. :) Now there's an opportunity that American Spirit is missing: packs of smokes with Joni's photo or an album cover on them! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:29:49 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc, Bush > I always did think of him as the Marlboro man. You must be joking, Bree. You are, right? Like Vince says, good humor! 'Cause Bush ... well, he might be tall enough, but he sure ain't COWBOY enough! Besides, here's the REAL Marlboro man: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3599514.html Lori NPIMH: Bush as the front man for Boys Don't Cry, singing, "I wanna be a cowboy ..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:33:57 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: fictional characters njc In a message dated 4/6/2006 12:20:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, revrvl@comcast.net writes: I am so stupid. Hardly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:20:29 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS NJC Doesn't that sound a lot like Nixon saying there was no conspiracy to commit criminal acts ot obstruction of justice because he was the chief law enforcement official and once he was told about crimes, it was deemed reported and thus viola! no criminal conspiracy, no obstruction? In this country, can one man pronounce that he can do anything because if he does it, it is per se not illegal - or is it true that no one is above the law? Vince > > > CBS News' Beverley Lumpkin explains that while it is "well within the > power of the president (and arguably the vice president, too) to > declassify a government document unilaterally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:03:08 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc, Bush Comes to Muskegon there is a helicopter flying overhead, a convoy of trucks have surrounded my building, the sharpshooters are poised on the roof - they are calling me "Osama Boy" on their megaphones and playing Abba on very loud loud speakers. They have taken over my tv and a picture of my face evolves into one Saddam Hussein while the announcer says "this traitor once sat at pool with Susan Geha, niece of Helen Thomas, and played with Helen Thomas' grand nieces and nephews - this is the Michigan John Walker Lindh." I turn on my radio and I hear on every station the same chanting over and over: "Jack and Ennis were just fuck buddies." I believe it is over, they are coming for me -- If I can post from one of secret torture prisons that Rumsfeld operates or funds overseas, I'll keep in touch... wait - wait - Dick Cheney is on my condo's deck and he has his quail hunting rifle and it is pointing this way... wait, the bastard pulled his rifle and just blasted my Joni shelf of storebrought cds - Cheney is yelling "he financially supports some fucking alien when he could buy American Britney Spears albums, traitor, traitor...' I dialed 911 and there was Bush's voice: "I am the police and you are an enemy combatant, I have declassified you. Good bye, Osama lover." they are inside now and saw my dvd called All American Boy 2 and the put it in the dvd player and saw it was all about All American Boys who make gay porn - they have shot the tv, they turn around and up against the wall motherfucker must think fast my Joni covers are next to my bed, dozens of them, I put them under my shirt, the shots ring out - they rip through my shirt and smash all the cds but the cds stop them an inch from my skin - damn, they could not penetrate Richard Thompson at all, only unbroken cd, who knew? (note to self, market Joni covers as bullet proof gear to our troops over seas, heavy on Richard Thompson) - I leap out the window with a dog in one hand, two dogs in the other, laptop between my teeth - the tanks can't follow us as we run through the Art Museum woods a half block away, we hear the bullets hit the trees but we escape unscathed and run towards the library - its on fire! At least all the history books and opinion journals are being burned except strangely the one edited by Grover Norquist... Hard to keyboard with one hand while one runs and ducks but amazing powers come when the adrenaline pumps more powerfully than the increasing budget deficit - we dash across the street, the dogs and I, and we lap over the concrete wall that surrounds the statute of William McKinley in front of the school - he was a big man and gives us enough shelter for a moment - for a moment - a helicopter comes my way playing Flight of The Valkeries and I look and W is the pilot, he is wearing a scarf that says "Mission Accomplished" and starts blasting the McKinley statute which begins to tip..tip... tip... William McKinley was a big man, the big statute falls hard, harder than he fell as a living man when he was shot in Buffalo, on my dogs and me, and in my last breath I can still type with one finger on my laptop... hard to breath - the weight of the statue slowly crushing my chest, I cannot breath, the dogs are dead... the helicopters slash the wind overhead, the tanks grind and grunt across the public park to reach my death place, W has the smirk in his face as he says, "one less ah no president wants ah" and he pauses, he looks to the skies for help and continues, "I must defend the American people from their enemies and their selves, we ah don't have time ta ask for a warrant, Gonzalez he say... it must be ok since I'm the president ta all the people - ah, we must always be viligant, ah vow ta defend our country from people." My last breathes. How do I die? Shallow breathing, I begin to whisper the words but as I go on my spirit and voice strengthen -- i dreamed I saw the bombers riding shot gun in the sky, turning into butterflies above the nations -- Bush shrieks: An Alien song! against our military! why don't you go live in Iraq and see how it is to live in a land that does not have American freedoms! Cheney puts his quail rifle next to my head - CRACK as my eyes slowly close I see the American flag flying in front of the school - waving - limply waving i can hardly see it any mo............................................................................................................. . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:27:02 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc, Bush's press conference Patti-- I was as livid as you--but I regret to say that in terms of what plays and doesn't play with W. Bree is right that that particular press conference was relatively successful. Not that it helps his abysmal popularity ratings these days--and I can only hope that today's news is the beginning of the end. The problem is that the vast majority of the American public isn't going to get as livid as you and I will over the police state the Bush2 administration wishes to impose on us. - --Richard Flynn Card-carrying member of the ACLU - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Patti Parlette Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:45 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: njc, Bush's press conference Bree wrote: "One of my biggest ...granted I haven't had many complaints about President Bush... is that he doesn't give enough press conferences. In his last press conference..he held his own..imo...so do more!!" That press conference. OMG. I wish you hadn't brought that up, because it's a hot button with me. Red hot. As in hot hot blazes in my heart and mind. Bree, you know I love you. I really really do. But did we watch the same press conference? I had quite the opposite reaction. I was driving home from work when I heard his "answer" to Helen Thomas's question on the radio. I had to pull over to call a friend because I was livid. Dark cloud above me! I could not believe my ears! He did not answer the question. It was unfrigginbelievable! When I got home and saw it on TV it was even worse, because of his body language and grimaces and gesticulating. I thought he was unravelling, the greed is the unravelling, I tell you it's the unravelling. I really thought he was losing it. It was embarrassing! I honestly thought the whole nation would rise up and say: ENOUGH!!!! Just the other day in my office, my friend Stuart and I were discussing this press conference and it was remarkable that, at the very same moment, the word that came out of both of our mouths was "buffoon", in exquisite timing. I am sorry, but that's what he looked like to me: a buffoon. A buffoon who is unravelling. And how about his speeches across the country to support the war? If the war is so right, why does he have to go around selling it to everyone, when there are so many other issues that need attention? Deep breath. Here is the transcript of part of the press conference: HELEN THOMAS: I'd like to ask you, Mr. President, your decision to invade Iraq has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis, wounds of Americans and Iraqis for a lifetime. Every reason given, publicly at least, has turned out not to be true. My question is, why did you really want to go to war? From the moment you stepped into the White House, from your Cabinet - -- your Cabinet officers, intelligence people, and so forth -- what was your real reason? You have said it wasn't oil -- quest for oil, it hasn't been Israel, or anything else. What was it? PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I think your premise, in all due respect to your question and to you as a lifelong journalist, is that, you know, I didn't want war. To assume I wanted war is just flat wrong, Helen, in all due respect -- HELEN THOMAS: Everything -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Hold on for a second, please. HELEN THOMAS: -- everything I've heard -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Excuse me, excuse me. No president wants war. Everything you may have heard is that, but it's just simply not true. My attitude about the defense of this country changed on September the 11th. We - -- when we got attacked, I vowed then and there to use every asset at my disposal to protect the American people. Our foreign policy changed on that day, Helen. You know, we used to think we were secure because of oceans and previous diplomacy, but we realized on September the 11th, 2001, that killers could destroy innocent life. And I'm never going to forget it. And I'm never going to forget the vow I made to the American people that we will do everything in our power to protect our people. Part of that meant to make sure that we didn't allow people to provide safe haven to an enemy. And that's why I went into Iraq -- hold on for a second - -- HELEN THOMAS: They didn't do anything to you or to our country. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Look -- excuse me for a second, please. Excuse me for a second. They did. The Taliban provided safe haven for al-Qaeda. That's where al-Qaeda trained -- HELEN THOMAS: I'm talking about Iraq -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Helen, excuse me. That's where -- Afghanistan provided safe haven for al-Qaeda. That's where they trained. That's where they plotted. That's where they planned the attacks that killed thousands of innocent Americans. I also saw a threat in Iraq. I was hoping to solve this problem diplomatically. That's why I went to the Security Council; that's why it was important to pass 1441, which was unanimously passed. And the world said, Disarm, disclose, or face serious consequences -- HELEN THOMAS: -- go to war -- PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: -- and therefore, we worked with the world, we worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did, and the world is safer for it. - --------------------- You can view it here (it's even "better" when you see it): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12437.htm Then another reporter asked when we might pull out of Iraq, and Bush said that that would be up to the Iraqi government and future presidents. Future presidents???????!!!!!!! He creates this huge mess and leaves it for future presidents. Oh my aching back. How many people are dying and being hurt and maimed and traumatized every day? For WHAT? And for how long? Peace, Patti P., what a sorry face I get to wear right now.... sigh : ( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:33:47 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: fictional characters njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" > From: "vince" > > <<< Fictional characters. I should have known that in literature classes > and theatre classes in college. I should have known that in discussing > opera and Joni's music. >>> > > It's that suspension of disbelief! If the story tellers and movie makers > have done their job we believe the characters are real. > > <<< I am so stupid. >>> > > Not at all, Vince. You are one of the believers, one who got caught up in > the characters. > Alright. I wasn't going to say anything more about this. But I can't make myself shut up. Arguing that this is only a movie and these are fictional characters and I didn't make a judgement about anybody is bs, imo. How we react to a given book or movie or work of art says something about us. I don't care if it's a fabricated premise or if the characters aren't real. There have been certain movies over the years that have made strong statements and impressions about social issues or just about the human condition in general. 'To Kill a Mockingbird' comes to mind. 'The Grapes of Wrath', 'On the Waterfront', 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner', 'The Elephant Man'. These movies have a tendency to produce strong emotional reactions in people. And what those emotions are and how we react says something about each and every one of us as human beings. I believe 'Brokeback Mountain' to be one of those litmus test movies. And how people react to it says something about them. The Academy Awards happened to be on the night before my mother's funeral. I was at my aunt's house after spending most of the day at the funeral home, sitting with four of my mother's sisters, my brother and his wife, my sister, niece, great nephew and several other relatives. One of my aunts whom I love dearly but has a rather conservative point of view started making some comment about how she had heard or read that Hollywood was out of touch with the general public and that people didn't want movies 'like this Brokeback Mountain', they want more family oriented entertainment. Fortunately she didn't continue with this line of discussion and no one else picked it up. I think I would have had to leave the house. They turned on the tv for just the last few awards and I saw Heath Ledger lose (which I expected) and saw the film lose. I know the Oscars don't mean much and awards in general are mostly bs, but it has made me pissed off that Heath Ledger didn't win at least one acting award. I think Annie Proulx made a good point that it might be more challenging to make up a character out of words on a page than it is to study and imitate someone who was quite a media celebrity at one time in the age of television. Something happened with the momentum that Brokeback started out with back when it won the Golden Globe. Call it a backlash, call it what you will. I started a new job 3 months ago and last week I walked into the Xerox room at work to hear a co-worker say 'I don't pay attention to fairies'. I walked in just as he was saying this and my eyebrows went up. I didn't say a word and I wonder if that was the right thing to do. I have told a few people in the office that I am gay and I'm sure at least one or two people in that room knew it. One of the others made some comment to the guy that he sounded homophobic. I don't know if that was for my benefit or not and I don't know for sure how this is relevant to this thread except that it has made me think a lot lately about how it feels to be marginalized. I had hoped that maybe some people would see 'Brokeback Mountain' and start thinking about things in a different way. Maybe have some compassion and understanding. But it seems that a lot of people bring their own agendas in and leave with those agendas intact. It would be nice if we could see beyond our own experience and point of view from time to time and try to have compassion and understanding for people who for whatever reason are not as lucky or brave or smart or well-equipped for life as we might be. Or who just happen to be different from us. And yeah, they're fictional characters but what if they weren't? Would that change the way you saw them? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:35:30 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Bush Comes to Muskegon I enjoyed this, Vince. Thanks! Um, did you die? - -Julius ______ > Cheney puts his quail rifle next to my head - CRACK > > as my eyes slowly close I see the American flag flying in front of the > school - waving - limply waving i can hardly see it any > mo........................................................................... > .................................. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:47:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: njc, Bush's press conference Richard wrote: >Patti-- >I was as livid as you--but I regret to say that in terms of what plays and >doesn't play with W. Bree is right that that particular press conference >was >relatively successful. Not that it helps his abysmal popularity ratings >these days--and I can only hope that today's news is the beginning of the >end. Thank you, Richard. Moi, aussi. I really hope this is it. Enough is enough. I'm watching the 11 p.m. news as I *try* to simmer down enough to get some sleep....and then I hear "Leaker-in-Chief" and I have to cheer! Bring it on...bring the truth on. Please. That's the prayer I send up tonight. Love and peace, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:50:37 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: About anger and 9/11 njc I just want to file a retraction, if I may. I implied that anger was a bad thing in an earlier post. In a later post, Lori said outright: "*anger is good." Lori is right. I was embarrassingly wrong and here's why, from something I've been reading: "Denying feelings of anger, frustration, sadness, or even excitement can contribute to a state of free-floating anxiety. Free-floating anxiety is when you feel vaguely anxious without knowing why. You may have noticed that after you let out your angry feelings or have a good cry you feel calmer and more at ease. Expressing feelings can have a distinct physiological effect that results in a reduced level of anxiety." Thank you, Lori. I stand corrected. But now I'm really pissed! :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:51:50 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: fictional characters njc Mark wrote: > > I believe 'Brokeback Mountain' to be one of those litmus test movies. And > how people react to it says something about them. - -- I agree. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:51:59 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc, Bush's press conference That's the prayer I send up tonight. Love and peace, Patti P. _______________________ Not to be too negative, Patti, but I'm wonderin' who is there to hear! I guess I've always been a glass half-empty kind of guy. But with you, I "call out to be released." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:55:42 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc, Bush's press conference > The problem is that the vast majority of the American > public isn't going to get as livid as you and I will over > the police state the Bush2 administration wishes to > impose on us. Partly because the vast majority of the American public deems itself "christian," and they actually believe the hogwash that Bush is one of their flock. They think their god is whispering into Bush's ear, so whatever Bush does must be right and good. In their minds, we somehow "deserve" the police state. It's good for us, it will make us better people. It makes me sick. All of it. Flock = sheeple. It's what most turns me off about church and religion. REAL Christians would stand up and say, "He's NOT one of us." I don't see or hear many -- if any -- of them doing that. No one is willing to take any sort of risk. (I'm right this minute weighing what risks I'm willing to take. I have to do something, I can't just sit here, still, anymore.) Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but ... ack, ick, and blech. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:01:25 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: > "Denying feelings of anger, frustration, sadness, or even excitement can > contribute to a state of free-floating anxiety. Free-floating anxiety is > when > you feel vaguely anxious without knowing why. You may have noticed that > after > you let out your angry feelings or have a good cry you feel calmer and > more at > ease. Expressing feelings can have a distinct physiological effect that > results in a reduced level of anxiety." Julius, I do believe you and Lori may be right. Thanks guys! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:05:23 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: About anger and 9/11 njc Julius wrote: > Thank you, Lori. I stand corrected. But now I'm really pissed! :-) hehe. Loved it. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:04:00 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: fictional characters njc Mark wrote: > > I had hoped that maybe some people would see 'Brokeback Mountain' and start > thinking about things in a different way. Maybe have some compassion and > understanding. But it seems that a lot of people bring their own agendas in > and leave with those agendas intact. It would be nice if we could see > beyond our own experience and point of view from time to time and try to > have compassion and understanding for people who for whatever reason are not > as lucky or brave or smart or well-equipped for life as we might be. Or who > just happen to be different from us. And yeah, they're fictional characters > but what if they weren't? Would that change the way you saw them? - --I agree again. I don't know why the academy voters chose not to award the best picture oscar to Brokeback. Don't know why they didn't give the acting award to the two gay characters. Perhaps they didn't think it or they were the best that they saw. I refuse to believe it was a conspiracy to stop gays from winning. The director did win. Seeing beyond our own experiences and points of view, for me, means trying to see the world from the heterosexuals points of view as well as my own. Homosexuals are not the only ones with feelings, with opinions, with pains and aches. Heterosexuals have them too. I have seen many, many gay themed movies. Some have blown my socks off. This one didn't. Glad it was so positive for so many other people and am sure that it helped change some opinions. Good points Mark. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:30:52 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: njc, Bush's press conference The last time I saw Richard he wrote: >Not to be too negative, Patti, but I'm wonderin' who is there to hear! > >I guess I've always been a glass half-empty kind of guy. > >But with you, I "call out to be released." > Release yourself, mon ami! Now is the time for all good men....(what's that quote?) I have to laugh at your glass half-empty comment. My friends and kin joke that my glass is three-quarters full. And believe me, that is a blessing and a curse, because it so often leads to portraits of disappointments. Okay. Here is some Joni inspiration: You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky They're going to aim the hoses on you Show 'em you won't expire Not till you burn up every passion Not even when you die Come on now You've got to try If you're feeling contempt Well then you tell it If you're tired of the silent night Jesus well then you yell it C'mon people, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try and love one another right now...right now! Just my sappy two cents. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:45:28 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: daily briefing NJC The white house daily briefing tomorrow should be an interesting one.... sure enough. checking to see if I have popcorn..... 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