From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #128 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 5 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 128 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Sonya Kitchell CD drops njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] In Defence of Judy NJC [Mark-Leon Thorne ] G7th Capos (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: New Sonya Kitchell CD drops njc [J Kendel Johnson ] Don Alias' Obituary in New York Times [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: New Sonya Kitchell CD drops njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: In Defense of Judy NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc [Smurf ] Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc [Em ] energy conservation, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] sacred earth ["Marianne Rizzo" ] paz, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc [Smurf ] consp theories, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc ["mack watson-bush" ] njc, Catherine's kid is going to art school! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc [Smurf ] Re: njc, Catherine's kid is going to art school! [Smurf ] Re: Conspiracies and complicities(njc) [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Joni Photo ["Cassy" ] Re: sacred earth ["Lori Fye" ] Re: sacred earth ["Lori Fye" ] Re: 9/11 ["Lori Fye" ] Re: energy conservation, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: njc, Catherine's kid is going to art school! ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: time, njc [dsknyc05 ] Re: In Defense of Judy NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Politics? NJC [dsknyc05 ] getting out Joni's wonderful words ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: (NJC) New Dylan photos [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc, was Catherine's kid is going to art school! now pommes de terre [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc, was Catherine's kid is going to art school! now pommes de terre [dsknyc05 Subject: In Defence of Judy NJC There has been some criticism of Judy Collins on this list lately. I hadn't listened to her for many years. Coincidentally, a report appeared tonight on ABC's 7:30 Report about her. It was to coincide with her Australian tour. It showed recent footage of her performing live. Although there was obviously some reverb on the sound mix, I found her voice to still be quite pure. Just my 2 cents. Also, I was not aware that her son killed himself. Mark in Sydney. NP Land of Confusion - Genesis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:16:12 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: G7th Capos (NJC) Hello All- I have been asked to order more of the fabulous G7th capos. I am ordering 6 so far but need to order 12 to get the best deal from the manufacturer. Is there anybody that wants one on the list? They are running us about $28 + shipping so it should be around $30 each. They retail in music stores for $40. Send me an email and I will put you on the list. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: New Sonya Kitchell CD drops njc Hey, way cool! I'm the guy at the end of the Sonya video with the dark short sleeves/white long sleeves and my hands raised clapping! J JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: Sonya's on the verge of being going bigtime, so much larger than life. See video of her performance at SXSW (and see me in the near-front of the audience) and hear her interviewed...on the front page of the New York Times, in their new front-page video section: http://www.nytimes.com/ There's also an interview with Neil Young from SXSW there, too, if you delve just a bit deeper. Sonya's new CD "Words Come Back to Me" dropped yesterday to much fanfare. Get it at Starbucks, or Amazon. I like it very much. Sonya just finished a collaboration with Ben Harper. Video soon on her website. I've got Sonya Kitchell pins, posters and swag such as that that I'll mail free to anyone interested, plus I'll give away a souvenir CD of the "single" from the new album at random to anyone who might show interest. And Sonya's on tour, should you be so inclined. She rocks, imho. Congratulations, Sonya Kitchell! Wishing you a world of success. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:36:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: In Defense of Judy NJC Much of Judy's life has been tragic and her books about how she has dealt with her bumps in life are excellent, including a couple of exclusive cd's in the books. I have seen Judy live 5 or 6 times in the last 15 years and have never noticed by unusual or artificial tampering with the sound of her voice, something that would have bothered me. And no amount of tampering can help anyone hit the high notes. She has, once or twice, forgotten lyrics, but laughed and shrugged it off as a "senior moment." One venue I saw her at was so small she sang without a microphone for the second set and I was in the second row and her voice was amazing for someone 66. She still studies with a voice teacher weekly to keep her voice in shape. Jerry > There has been some criticism of Judy Collins on this list lately. I > hadn't listened to her for many years. Coincidentally, a report > appeared tonight on ABC's 7:30 Report about her. It was to coincide > with her Australian tour. It showed recent footage of her performing > live. Although there was obviously some reverb on the sound mix, I > found her voice to still be quite pure. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Also, I was not aware that her son killed himself. > > Mark in Sydney. > > NP Land of Confusion - Genesis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:59:41 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Don Alias' Obituary in New York Times _http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/arts/music/05alias.html?_r=1&oref=slogin_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/arts/music/05alias.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) Don Alias, 66, Percussionist and Sideman, Is Dead By NATE CHINEN Published: April 5, 2006 Don Alias, a percussionist who had a long career as a sought-after sideman, working with an illustrious array of artists in jazz and pop including Nina Simone, Miles Davis and Joni Mitchell, died on March 28 at his home in Manhattan. He was 66. His death was announced by Melanie Futorian, his companion, who said the cause was under investigation. Born Charles Donald Alias to Caribbean parents in New York, Mr. Alias liked to say that he learned percussion on the streets, picking up the techniques of Cuban and Puerto Rican hand drummers. While in high school, he enlisted as a conga player with the Eartha Kitt Dance Foundation, which offered classes at a Y.M.C.A. Ms. Kitt herself took him along to the 1957 Newport Jazz Festival, where he performed with the Dizzy Gillespie Orchestra, his first professional experience. At the urging of his family, Mr. Alias (pronounced uh-LIE-ess) studied biology at Gannon College in Erie, Pa., and the Carnegie Institute for Biochemistry in Boston. Playing in Boston clubs by night, he met students from the Berklee School of Music, most notably the bassist Gene Perla. It was Mr. Perla who got Mr. Alias a job as a drummer with Ms. Simone, even though he had no experience with a full drum kit. He handled the challenge and eventually became Ms. Simone's musical director. In 1969, his work in her ensemble caught the attention of Miles Davis, who was then developing the hazy jazz-rock that would suffuse his album "Bitches Brew." Hired as an auxiliary percussionist for the album, Mr. Alias ended up playing a trap-set part, along with Jack DeJohnette, on the track "Miles Runs the Voodoo Down." His lean and loosely syncopated beat, inspired by New Orleans parade music, is one of the album's most distinctive rhythms. Mr. Alias played the role of trap drummer again on a 1979 concert tour with Joni Mitchell, in a band that included the saxophonist Michael Brecker, the guitarist Pat Metheny and the bassist Jaco Pastorius. A live recording from the tour, "Shadows and Light," is often cited as a favorite among musicians. Mr. Alias was the first-call percussionist for a host of other artists as well, including the singer Roberta Flack, the alto saxophonist David Sanborn (with whom he toured as recently as February) and the pianist Herbie Hancock. As a conga player, Mr. Alias could augment a rhythm section in a way that was urgent but never intrusive. He also had a hand in forming two bands: Stone Alliance, an electric fusion project with Mr. Perla and the saxophonist Steve Grossman, and Kebekwa, a percussion ensemble based in Montreal. Kebekwa was short-lived, but several years ago Stone Alliance reunited after a two-decade hiatus. The group has three recent live albums on the Mambo Maniacs label. In addition to Ms. Futorian, Mr. Alias is survived by his mother, Violet Richardson Alias; his son, Charles Donald Alias Jr.; his daughter, Kimberlee Marisa Alias; and four grandchildren. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:09:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: New Sonya Kitchell CD drops njc She made big noise in the current Paste magazine. Sounds like she is off to a good start and is being represented by very smart people. Jerry > Hey, way cool! I'm the guy at the end of the Sonya video with the dark short > sleeves/white long sleeves and my hands raised clapping! > > J > > JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Sonya's on the verge of being going bigtime, so much larger than life. See > video of her performance at SXSW (and see me in the near-front of the > audience) and hear her interviewed...on the front page of the New York Times, > in their > new front-page video section: > > http://www.nytimes.com/ > > There's also an interview with Neil Young from SXSW there, too, if you delve > just a bit deeper. > > Sonya's new CD "Words Come Back to Me" dropped yesterday to much fanfare. > Get it at Starbucks, or Amazon. I like it very much. Sonya just finished a > collaboration with Ben Harper. Video soon on her website. I've got Sonya > Kitchell pins, posters and swag such as that that I'll mail free to anyone > interested, plus I'll give away a souvenir CD of the "single" from the new > album > at random to anyone who might show interest. > > And Sonya's on tour, should you be so inclined. She rocks, imho. > Congratulations, Sonya Kitchell! Wishing you a world of success. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:44:11 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: In Defense of Judy NJC I still love me some Judy Collins. At SXSW I got to harmonize with her as she led the audience in "Amazing Grace" a cappella, at the end of her interview. That was a pleasant surprise. If not sonically perfect, her singing is still an inspiration to me. And how many artists/celebrities have their body parts immortalized into American iconography? Alright, Betty Davis and who else? I'm just saying... - -Julius In a message dated 4/5/06 5:44:59 AM, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: > One venue I saw her at > was so small she sang without a microphone for the second set and I was in > the second row and her voice was amazing for someone 66. She still studies > with a voice teacher weekly to keep her voice in shape. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc From today's gawker.com: Brokeback on DVD: Now With Less Gay From New DVDs, in yesterdays Times: BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN Two bisexual ranch hands, Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, conceive a doomed love for each other in Ang Lees critically acclaimed drama. Universal, $29.98, R. (GAWKER'S COMMENT) Oh, so theyre bisexual ranch hands now? We eagerly await the anniversary release, then, by which point theyll be ranch hands who arent gay at all, man, but it was just after a party and they were really fucked up and, well, well never mention this again, right dude? Right. - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:27:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc you mean they edited "gay" content out???? whoa.. Em - --- Smurf wrote: > From today's gawker.com: Brokeback on DVD: Now With Less Gay From > New DVDs, in yesterdays Times: > BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN Two bisexual ranch hands, Heath Ledger and > Jake Gyllenhaal, conceive a doomed love for each other in Ang Lees > critically acclaimed drama. Universal, $29.98, R. > > (GAWKER'S COMMENT) > > Oh, so theyre bisexual ranch hands now? We eagerly await the > anniversary release, then, by which point theyll be ranch hands who > arent gay at all, man, but it was just after a party and they were > really fucked up and, well, well never mention this again, right > dude? Right. > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and > save big. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:36:47 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: energy conservation, njc Hi joni friends, We are making energy conservation posters in class this week (right now). . . so if anybody has any ideas for energy conservation slogans. . please send them to me. . . XOXOX Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:39:42 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: sacred earth which leads me to think: What are some of the many Joni references to the earth and such? I love thinking about these. . . Joni was one of my influences that lead me to move to the county 11 years ago. In my blood like holy wine. . . . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:49:36 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: paz, njc Paz means peace in Spanish. I just thought of this Paz, for the first time this week. I know I am late. You are sweet peace, Paz. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc Em wrote: you mean they edited "gay" content out???? whoa.. Goodness, no, Em! Perish the thought! What Gawker is making fun of is the NY Times calling the two lead characters bisexual, rather than gay . . . which reminded me of some discussion here. --Smurf - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:55:14 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: consp theories, njc >The Rush >Limbaugh crowd will, to this day, not admit that this administration has >done anything wrong. (Mack) uh huh _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:36:03 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc Perhaps they were bisexual but leaned to the far left. Who knows? I can't imagine lying down with a woman once, much less for a lifetime, for any reason. The thought simply revulses me to be blunt and always has. I remember the hubbub back in adolescence as I tried to get the feeling the other boys had while looking at the girlie magazines. Female anatomy seemed wrong to me as if someone had made a terrible mistake. Of course I had my chances to marry but couldn't do it, couldn't put the girls through it, and would rather have been alone than to have lived that way. Finally saw the movie last night. It was okay but was a great disappointment (after all the excitement the press had created). It wasn't a best picture to me and now see why it didn't win. Tod & I agreed that it was a stifled version made for the masses. I guess they had to start somewhere. Didn't find the performances particularly good either other than the wife of the selfish one. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:33:56 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: energy conservation, njc sun power...such a bright ideal!! Not too original...but says a lot.. good luck...babe.. Bree >From: "Marianne Rizzo" >Reply-To: "Marianne Rizzo" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: energy conservation, njc >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:36:47 -0400 > >Hi joni friends, > >We are making energy conservation posters in class this week (right now). . >. > >so if anybody has any ideas for energy conservation slogans. . > >please send them to me. . . > > >XOXOX > >Marianne > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:37:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: 9/11 Lori, I watched all 1h 20 minutes. I can't say I enjoyed it but I'm glad I spent that time. The filmmaker presents one inconsistency after another during that time. For me, the most perplexing question was about the plane that (we thought?) went down in Pennsylvania. By the time that plane went down, I think we already had huge messes on the ground in Manhattan and DC. It's hard to believe that there were lots of federal forces sitting around in rural Pennsylvania, and that they responded faster than the own county's own coroner. I can't think of a legitimate reason for the feds to keep a coroner from doing his job. The coroner expected to see pieces of a jumbo jet that was relatively intact. After all, it wasn't exploded in air (like the Lockerbee, Scotland attack). The story was that it plowed into the ground, so he expected a tail section, pieces of wings, twisted chunks of fuselage, and bodies. He (and several other locals) saw a scrape in the ground measuring about 10 feet by 20 feet. (about 3.5 meters by 7 meters). He said he never saw a body. His quote was "I never saw one drop of blood." The coroner had nothing to do, so he drove home. I can imagine his puzzlement when he heard how it was "playing" on national TV. Even if the feds wanted to keep the crash site secret, (really, really secret) I just can't imagine that they would have had *enough resources* to do it in rural Pennsylvania when everyone was already focusing on Manhattan and the Pentagon. So, like others, I too wonder where is the jumbo jet? Where are the 200 corpses? The film doesn't presume to know what the heck happened but there's an lot that doesn't add up. An awful, awful lot. Since the present political environment has a level of secrecy that is unprecedented in my lifetime, I don't hold out much hope for more info. I think it's time to lift the freaking Patriot Act, sign the Geneva Convention AGAIN, and start acting like responsible neighbors in the community of nations. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu -----Original Message----- From: Lori Fye [mailto:lrfye58@gmail.com] Will you please watch the video we're discussing? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:44:32 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Catherine's kid is going to art school! Chere Catherine: I've never seen you face to face but tonight I can *feel* you here What I mean to say is: I can feel your joy way down here, from one Jonimadre to another. My Michael has received two acceptance letters for graduate school, so I know *exactly* the dizzy dancing way you feel when you rip open that envelope. Yee hah! High five and halleluiah, Mama! Baby... We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion) Let's celebrate, it's all right We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion) Let's celebrate, it's all right Yahoo! Yahoo! Mamas (and of course some papas) know the deeeeeeeeeper meaning. A child to raise: the toughest job you'll ever love, and to see to see your once totally-dependent-baby turning into a young-adult-making-her-way-in-the-world-and-finding-her-bliss is.....gee, I can't think of a word descriptive and full enough for this stage of the circle game. "Wunderbar?" "Ausgezeichnet"? Jawohl! Sometimes two words are better than one, and sometimes English just don't do it (like the song of a warm warm body....OH STOP IT! Joni Tic, Joni Tic!) I'm dancin' a jubilant jig with you, Joniamiga! And keep on truckin', Sarah! Love, Patti P., grateful for all the conversation, comfort and consultation found here -- and then throw in a celebration -- what more could you want? P.S. Pourquoi Monsieur le Smurf a t'il des pommes frites sur son epaule? P.S.S. Congrats to Jimmy & compadres in Florida on your first National Championship! And anyone in Maryland on theirs, too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:50:20 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc I also heard that the American Family Association (yeah right) have their panties in a knot, cause Walmart is carrying the DVD. http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/242006e.asp Yikes, another Walmart discussion. LOL Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:03:32 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Politics? NJC Thanks for your honest reply ..Debra. I'm in agreement....if something does not effect our national security..then come out with it....it is our right. (I really don't know anything about the Cheney energy meetings... I want to read more about it. ) It is something to keep in mind: That they are public servants working for us. (sadly...both sides of aisles..seem to forget this.. ) One of my biggest ...granted I haven't had many complaints about President Bush... is that he doesn't give enough press conferences. In his last press conference..he held his own..imo...so do more!! Term limits? Would this curtail some of the royalty mentality? Bree >Interesting question! After imagining the situation >for a short while, the word that kept flashing in my >head like a neon sign was "secrecy". >The most clearcut example of such secrecy is Cheney's >energy commission that he organized during the Spring >of 2001. He and government attorneys have spent lots >of time in court, even up to the Supreme Court, >defending against challenges from groups who want to >make what happened in those meetings public. Seems >like a no brainer to me -- elected official -- talking >about something basic to Americans lives -- of course >we should know what was discussed there -- but the >Supreme Court agreed with Cheney that he could keep it >all secret. That kind of secrecy didn't exist in the >Clinton years. The Bushies try to blur this, but their >secrecy started BEFORE 9/11! >://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc Jimmy wrote: << Yikes, another Walmart discussion. >> It's a conspiracy! --Smurf - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc, Catherine's kid is going to art school! Patti asks: << P.S. Pourquoi Monsieur le Smurf a t'il des pommes frites sur son epaule? >> I only get a chip on my shoulder when it seems that, of all Joni's wonderful words, "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone" gets all the attention in the culture at large. C'est domage! --Smurf, le pomme de terre bleu - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:08:22 -0700 From: Subject: Conspiracies and complicities(njc) Question: > IF democrats would have been in > power at the time of 9/11... and having the same facts you > have now.... would you believe the possibility of > government involvement credible, or just a far out Kooky > idea? Lori wrote: My thought is that these events would have required so much planning over so many years that it's probable that some Dems would have to have been involved in some way too. Heresy, huh? Me: Not heresy at all but an accurate logical conclusion IF one believes the government was complicit in the attacks. The plots to hijack the planes and attack prominent targets in several U.S. cities were developed over several years according to Al Qaida's and Bin Laden's own boasts. Years before anyone knew who would be the president in 2001. Previous attacks on U.S. buildings and citizens by Al Qaida occured throughout the Clinton administration but it seems they don't count to some people. I thought of another question. If, God forbid, Los Angeles is devastated by Al Qaida or their affiliate a few months after President Hillary takes residence in the White House in 2008, do we get to say she was behind it? I can see the conspiracy theories now. Oy vey. As Stevie says: When you believe in things that you don't understand, Then you suffer, Superstition ain't the way, hey, hey Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:20:04 EDT From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Re: Conspiracies and complicities(njc) In a message dated 4/5/2006 2:12:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbhla@sbcglobal.net writes: Lori wrote: My thought is that these events would have required so much planning over so many years that it's probable that some Dems would have to have been involved in some way too. Heresy, huh? Me: Not heresy at all but an accurate logical conclusion IF one believes the government was complicit in the attacks. The plots to hijack the planes and attack prominent targets in several U.S. cities were developed over several years according to Al Qaida's and Bin Laden's own boasts. Years before anyone knew who would be the president in 2001. Previous attacks on U.S. buildings and citizens by Al Qaida occured throughout the Clinton administration but it seems they don't count to some people. I thought of another question. If, God forbid, Los Angeles is devastated by Al Qaida or their affiliate a few months after President Hillary takes residence in the White House in 2008, do we get to say she was behind it? I can see the conspiracy theories now. Oy vey. As Stevie says: When you believe in things that you don't understand, Then you suffer, Superstition ain't the way, hey, hey Kakki Well the thing that seems the most suspicious to me is the fact that while all air traffic was completely halted for several days, the Bin Laden family was allowed to fly out of the country? And no one in the Republican camp finds this the least bit suspicious? I'm sorry but only an IDIOT would think there isn't something shady going on there. Why would his very family be allowed to get out of the country no questions asked, when NO other planes were allowed to fly? And the government had no involvement? PLEASE. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:29:40 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Joni Photo The latest thread on Joni's "older more mature" voice got me thinking. I don't know if anyone has seen the photograph Annie Leibevitz took of Joni for her book "Women" but it's so moving to me I had to share the knowledge of it's existence. The book contains photographs of only women; some are of famous people and some of everyday women. The accompanying text is written by Susan Sontag and the entire book is well worth a look even if it didn't have the most beautiful photo I've ever seen of a more recent Joni. I took a photograph of the page with Joni's picture on it and am willing to share it with anyone who might like to see it but it honestly doesn't do justice to the lines in her face and the character she wears so well. Unfortunately it's too large and too copyrighted to scan and share. Warmly, Cassy NP: Pablo Picasso - David Bowie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:37:32 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: sacred earth > which leads me to think: > > What are some of the many Joni references to the earth and such? > > > I love thinking about these. . . "Javex bottles on the tide" is the first one that comes to mind > Joni was one of my influences that lead me to move to the county 11 years ago. > In my blood like holy wine. . . . . Tell us about that, Marianne! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:38:12 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: sacred earth Let me amend that. Should be: "Paper plates and Javex bottles on the tide." Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:40:34 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 9/11 > I think it's time to lift the freaking Patriot Act, sign the Geneva Convention AGAIN, > and start acting like responsible neighbors in the community of nations. Jim, you never cease to surprise me. Thank you. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:48:17 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: energy conservation, njc >We are making energy conservation posters in class this week (right now). . . > >so if anybody has any ideas for energy conservation slogans. . > >please send them to me. . . Using both sides of a "leaf" of paper can help keep the leaves on a tree. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:59:46 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc WARNING: Not necessarily spoilers included below, but if you haven't seen Brokeback Mountain you may want to skip (or scroll through) my post. ____________________________________________________ My pov: yes, the characters were bisexual. Even if they were "numb" while having sex with women (I got that from a local review of the DVD), they were certainly and nonetheless doing it. They were able to achieve erection and climax with women, hence they were -- technically and functionally -- bisexual. Or ... were they fantasizing about each other while having sex with women? If the movie offered that as a possible explanation, I missed it. Anyway, that has nothing to do with being technically and functionally bisexual. I saw the movie shortly after the Academy Awards, in a theatre, in the center of the fifth row. I wanted to absorb as much of it as possible. While I thought the movie was very well made, and I even shed a few tears, I couldn't help but come away with the thought that Jack and Ennis were basically little more than fuck buddies for a very long time. Yes, they were in love, but that love didn't transcend quite enough. Yes, it was 1963 (and 1973 and 1983), but plenty of other men took greater risks to be together during those same times. So, for me: fuck buddies. Ducking now, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:03:41 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: njc, Catherine's kid is going to art school! Congrats Catherine, to both of you. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:05:38 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) New Dylan photos Anyone see this in yesterday's SF Chronicle? I think it's a cool photo, and there are more. They were "lost" (actually misplaced) by photographer Dale Smith until 2002. Apparently he's is trying to find a place to do a proper showing. I would love to see that happen. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2006/04/04/DDGSAI1K731.DT L&o=0 Lori, who always did think Robbie Robertson was a hottie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:14:34 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc Lori wrote: Jack and Ennis were > basically little more than fuck buddies for a very long time. Yes, they > were in love, but that love didn't transcend quite enough. Yes, it was 1963 > (and 1973 and 1983), but plenty of other men took greater risks to be > together during those same times. - -- Growing up and then living most of my early life, 25 years, on the other side of the Texas Panhandle from Childress, Tx. (not a far distance) I don't know exactly what their, Jack & Ennis, problem was. I graduated from high school in 1975 and lived with my first love not long after in Canyon, Tx. Never had a bit of a problem from anyone. Makes the premise of the movie not quite ring true to me and wonder what kind of research the writer did to write the book. True, if you approached the wrong person you might have been beaten up but can't remember only one instance of that happening and nothing more severe ever occurred, to my knowledge. Ennis was an emotionally retarded individual who could not allow himself to be who he was, for whatever reason. He loved himself much more than he loved Jack. If they were in love, it wasn't much love as far as I can reason. So no need to duck as far as I am concerned Lori. Awful long way to go to get a fuck. Jack obviously had more feelings for Ennis than vice versa. That movie left a really sour taste in my mouth. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:23:37 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: In Defense of the spelling of "Defence" NJC Australian Mark-Leon Thorne spelled it "Defence," as Australians, Brits, Canadians, and many others do. There's no need for any of us to change the spelling to the American English word "defense." There may be more Americans on this list than citizens of other nations, but that doesn't mean the American version of English should predominate. Just my defensive 2 cents, Lori : ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:24:58 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc > That movie left a really sour taste in my mouth. I know what you mean, mack .. but ... that's a very funny way to put it!! ; D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: time, njc - --- gene wrote: > Debra, give me you address and you just won yourself > a cd. Gene, what a nice surprise! Thank you. I'll send my address directly to you in another email. > This if from the > Declaration of Independence, you know, the reason > why we are suppose > celebrate the 4th of July. Of all our founding > documents this is the most > important----and yet it has been regulated to a wall > hanging in our > classrooms. I guess it was just too much of a > revolutionary > document--------inciting demonstrations, anarchist > behavior, and disruption > of our society. Things our present corporate > government frowns upon. These days, all it takes to be fired (even the top military guys) or demonized and quieted by this administration is to express an opinion that doesn't exactly match the Bushies' propaganda. If that stranglehold on people being able to express honest thoughts continues much longer... I think that builds toward revolutionary action, whatever that might be. But, as Thomas Jefferson says, people will put up with mistreatment for a very long time rather than take disruptive action to change the situation. True in one's personal life, true in politics too. And don't even get me started at how disgusting it is when Bush compares the "liberation" of Iraq and the growing pains of their democracy with the home-grown revolution here in the U.S. It feels like a sacrilege when he equates the two. I don't actually howl whenever he says it, but I sure do feel like it. Come on, TJ, wherever you are, help us out here! Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: In Defense of Judy NJC - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: She has, once or > twice, forgotten lyrics, > but laughed and shrugged it off as a "senior > moment." When you're over a certain age, it's a senior moment. When you're under a certain age, it's a brain fart. Just thought you needed to know that particular priceless piece of information. (Unclear what the certain age is, though.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: Politics? NJC - --- Lori Fye wrote: > My thought is that these events would have required > so much planning over so > many years that it's probable that some Dems would > have to have been > involved in some way too. Maybe. My thoughts are... how interesting that so many of the current Bushies were in charge years ago also. And that Cheney put himself into his current spot and brought them all along to... finish the job? Maybe. > Heresy, huh? Yes! LOL! Keep thinking! Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:05:07 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: getting out Joni's wonderful words - --Smurf, le pomme de terre bleu, wrote: "I only get a chip on my shoulder when it seems that, of all Joni's wonderful words, "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone" gets all the attention in the culture at large. C'est domage!" A chip on your shoulder? That's no good, that's no good, that's no good, baby that's no good! So what are you going to do about it You can't live life and you can't leave it Advice and religion you can't take it You can't seem to believe it Are you a peacock afraid to parade your Joni love around Morgantown? Hey, I do my best and I do good business, so don't blame ME! Are you doing YOUR part, huh huh huh? Do you wear a Joni button everywhere you go? Do you have a Joni magnet (WWJD) on your desk at work? When you pick up your take-out pizza and Counting Crows' BYT is playing, do you ask the high school kid if she knows who wrote that song? And when she doesn't, do you take the time to explain SIQUOMB? If you're in a crowded waiting room, do you strike up a conversation and gently ease Joni into it? Do you go around humming or even singing Joni songs in the workplace, in the subway, in the grocery store, dans la piscine privee? Do you have a Joni screensaver on your office computer to ensnare people into conversations about Joni being not just a singer/songwriter/musician but a painter, as well? Do you risk repelling friends and kin and campers in the kitchen by spouting Joni lyrics every freakin' chance you get? You've got to wake up every morning with a Joni smile on your face and show the world all the Joni love in your heart....then people gonna treat her better, you're gonna find, yes you will.......... Love, Patti P., just being silly as the snow that gathered like bolts of lace this morning melts to reveal just a little green of spring ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: energy conservation, njc These aren't slogans but, because, as a nagging mother, I'm always saying them at home, they probably should be, because some people JUST DON'T GET IT! - - If you're not watching TV, turn the damn thing off!!! - - Why are there lights on in this room if there's no one in there??? (The lights are on, but nobody's home?) - - Who put the regular garbage in the recycling bin? - - Paper goes in recycling, not garbage-garbage! - - Food goes in the organic recycling bin, not the regular garbage! - - Walk, dammit! The exercise will do you good! and so on. - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > sun power...such a bright ideal!! > > > Not too original...but says a lot.. > > > good luck...babe.. > > Bree > > > >From: "Marianne Rizzo" > >Reply-To: "Marianne Rizzo" > >To: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: energy conservation, njc > >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:36:47 -0400 > > > >Hi joni friends, > > > >We are making energy conservation posters in class > this week (right now). . > >. > > > >so if anybody has any ideas for energy conservation > slogans. . > > > >please send them to me. . . > > > > > >XOXOX > > > >Marianne > > > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:07:03 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) New Dylan photos I didin't see them Lori, but then I don't live in California, but thanks for the link. These are great. It's amazing how much his son Jakob resembles his dad. I love their eyes, and yes Robbie was quite pleasing to the eye as well. There is website/gallery that has nothing but Dylan photographs from early on till now sent by fans. _http://www.angelfire.com/de/dylanite/_ (http://www.angelfire.com/de/dylanite/) I had sent them a few one the ones I had taken when he toured with Joni. rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc Walmart believes it's a buddy movie. - --- Smurf wrote: > Jimmy wrote: > > << Yikes, another Walmart discussion. >> > > > It's a conspiracy! > > --Smurf > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, was Catherine's kid is going to art school! now pommes de terre - --- Smurf wrote: > Patti asks: > > << P.S. Pourquoi Monsieur le Smurf a t'il des > pommes frites sur son epaule? >> > > I only get a chip on my shoulder when it seems > that, of all Joni's wonderful words, "don't it > always seem to go that you don't know what you've > got till it's gone" gets all the attention in the > culture at large. C'est domage! > > --Smurf, le pomme de terre bleu Or "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." Same song, though. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:00:32 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Conspiracies and complicities(njc) Rick wrote: > Well the thing that seems the most suspicious to me is the fact that while > all air traffic was completely halted for several days, the Bin Laden family > was allowed to fly out of the country? And no one in the Republican camp finds > this the least bit suspicious? I'm sorry but only an IDIOT would think > there isn't something shady going on there. Why would his very family be > allowed to get out of the country no questions asked, when NO other planes were > allowed to fly? And the government had no involvement? PLEASE. - --Good point Rick. Another one of those 'we will never even bother to answer questions.' The answer is simple- Saudi Arabia is very, very friendly with the Bush family and they have most of the oil. These points are poo-pooed and completely overlooked. Forget the fact that most of the hijackers were from there and they continue to harbor who knows what. What was one of the purported reasons for attacking Iraq? They gassed their own citizens and used chemical weapons on them. Hmm, easy to just pass right on by the fact that in Saudi Arabia cutting off appendages, heads, etc. are weekly if not daily events. We have the Final Four, they have 'it's beheading day, get the snacks and the tent. Let's tailgate.' Forget the fact that they have as many, if not more, human rights violations than Iraq did or ever has. Forget the fact that they need 'freedom' too. It's a sure bet we will never go and 'liberate' them and bring them a 'democracy' cause they really want it, they just don't know it. After all, it's all about 'freedom.' It's all about money, money, oil, money, oil, money, oil, money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it completely sickens me that there are people that can call this the right thing to be doing. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:33:50 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc Original Message: - ----------------- From: mack watson-bush mackwatsonbush@charter.net Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:14:34 -0500 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: 'Brokeback' revisited -- njc >Jack obviously had more feelings for Ennis than vice versa. Oh now the trials and trumpets scored or will we pass this test For just as one loves more and more Will one love less and less. JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:25:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, was Catherine's kid is going to art school! now pommes de terre >Or "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." >Same song, though. > But as far as those two lines being out there, I think that's pretty good they are so well known. Ya gotta start somewhere, right? Amsterdam -- or Rome -- wasn't built in a day! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:52:31 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Conspiracies and complicities(njc) > Hmm, easy to just pass right on by the fact that in Saudi Arabia cutting > off appendages, heads, etc. are weekly if not daily events. We have the > Final Four, they have 'it's beheading day, get the snacks and the tent. > Let's tailgate.' Forget the fact that they have as many, if not more, human > rights violations than Iraq did or ever has. Forget the fact that they need > 'freedom' too. It's a sure bet we will never go and 'liberate' them and bring > them a 'democracy' cause they really want it, they just don't know it. After > all, it's all about 'freedom.' Excellent points, Mack (and you've signed your name with a capital M today, I see). Anyone from the "right" care to comment? Why AREN'T we storming into Saudi Arabia, from where all those hijackers came? Lori, whose font color is gray from what I can see, but I don't know why and cannot change it ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: njc, was Catherine's kid is going to art school! now pommes de terre - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > >Or "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." > >Same song, though. > > But as far as those two lines being out there, I > think that's pretty good > they are so well known. And that one of them is so well known it can be decontructed and still make sense, as in this headline from the Richmond Times Dispatch: PARADISE IN A PARKING LOT NOW IT'S PAVED WITH GARDENS AND ONLY TRAFFIC IS THE WILDLIFE [City Edition] Richmond Times - Dispatch - Richmond, Va. April 30, 2005 - -------- You don't hear things like "the 22nd Catch"! I think it's great that a couple of Joni's phrases and ideas are now part of U.S. culture. It'll take more years before other phrases are used so often. My favorite for future phrase and attitude is "happiness is the best facelift." Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #128 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------