From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #123 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 2 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 123 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Top Voices njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Top 10, no top 20 njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20teaching=20njc?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATT] Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) [Em ] RE: teaching njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Top 10, no top 20 NJC [Bob Muller ] For "Cherish" McKay -- njc [Smurf ] Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] passports NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Conspiracy theories (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Top Voices njc Not true. Most opera singers can sing well into their 70's, but not with the beauty and strength of their youth. Also, classically trained singers ( I am one of them) have teachers who a very careful about their students voices and they train very much the way (good) athletes train, in a physical manner. My voice teacher was appalled that I was doing musicals through high school and college and felt I was abusing my voice by doing them. But that was the very reason I wanted the lessons in the first place. She was also less than thrilled when I joined a "folk" group, though she trusted I would use my training in a wise fashion. Callas' contribution to opera was the dramatic use of her voice and character, more the the beauty of her tone, in my opinion. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: >> Maria Callas (pre 1965 - if ever there was a lesson for JM its here) >> > > I'm not an opera buff, but I've heard that opera > singers blow out their voices through sheer power singing > sooner or later. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:41:12 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 njc Be very thankful that I intenionally decided not to confuse the voting by adding my votes for Eminem, Jay-Z, Dre, Roots, Ludicris... :-) It was interesting to see what people said. Damn, I would have had Janis in double digits! And I would have certainly voted for Eminem! And would have got a vote in there for Cheryl Studer, Samuel Ramey, Jerry Hadley... Thanks Ron for all the work! Vince - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "ron" > hi > > > so - i pulled all the digests as some bright spark (hi bob - thanks for > voluime 75!!) suggested > > there were 786 votes, consisting of 410 different artists, of whom 206 were > male, 181 were female, 1 was grace jones & the others were unknown to me. > > surprisingly - joni came in first with 32 votes?!?!?!?! > > then there were the following: > > 12 votes - 1 artist > 10 votes - 1 artist > 9 votes - 2 artists > 8 votes - 7 artists > 7 votes - 4 artists > 6 votes - 7 artists > 5 votes - 12 artists > 4 votes - 13 artists > 3 votes - 30 artists > 2 votes - 55 artists > 1 vote - 278 artists > > detailed results are: > > joni mitchell - 32 > Stevie Wonder - 12 > Ella fitzgerald - 10 > frank sinatra - 9 > Janis joplin - 9 > billie Holiday - 8 > Bob dylan - 8 > Eva cassidy - 8 > james taylor - 8 > Judy collins - 8 > Judy garland - 8 > Rickie Lee Jones - 8 > laura nyro - 7 > Paul simon - 7 > Tom waits - 7 > Van morrison - 7 > al Green - 6 > Aretha franklin - 6 > Elton John - 6 > emmylou harris - 6 > Jeff Buckley - 6 > marvin Gaye - 6 > Neil young - 6 > Art garfunkel - 5 > Bonnie raitt - 5 > Bruce springsteen - 5 > david Bowie - 5 > David crosby - 5 > Karen carpenter - 5 > Kd lang - 5 > nina Simone - 5 > Phoebe snow - 5 > Sarah vaughan - 5 > Smokey Robinson - 5 > Stevie nicks - 5 > Bette midler - 4 > David sylvian - 4 > Donald fagen - 4 > Jane Siberry - 4 > John lennon - 4 > kate bush - 4 > Luther vandross - 4 > Nick Drake - 4 > Robert plant - 4 > Roseanne cash - 4 > sade - 4 > shawn colvin - 4 > Todd rundgren - 4 > Alison krauss - 3 > andy partridge - 3 > Ani difranco - 3 > Annie lennox - 3 > barbra streisand - 3 > Bill Withers - 3 > Bob marley - 3 > Bono - 3 > Carole king - 3 > Christine mcvie - 3 > Dave matthews - 3 > dinah Washington - 3 > Dusty springfield - 3 > Graham nash - 3 > Jackson Browne - 3 > Janis ian - 3 > Joan baez - 3 > Johnny cash - 3 > Jon anderson - 3 > Kate bennet - 3 > Maddy prior - 3 > Michael McDonald - 3 > natalie Merchant - 3 > Patsy cline - 3 > Paul mccartney - 3 > Sam cooke - 3 > Sandy denny - 3 > Sarah mclachlan - 3 > Stephen stills - 3 > Tori amos - 3 > aaron Neville - 2 > Al jarreau - 2 > Ann wilson - 2 > Ben harper - 2 > Beth gibbons - 2 > Beth orton - 2 > Betty Carter - 2 > Bjork - 2 > Caetano Veloso - 2 > Carly simon - 2 > Cassandra wilson - 2 > Cat stevens - 2 > chrissie hynde - 2 > Curtis mayfield - 2 > Damien Rice - 2 > Diana Krall - 2 > Edith piaf - 2 > Etta James - 2 > freddie Mercury - 2 > Gillian welch - 2 > Gladys Knight - 2 > Grace slick - 2 > Harry nilsson - 2 > Ian anderson - 2 > Jim morrison - 2 > Jimi hendrix - 2 > Johnny hartman - 2 > Julia fordham - 2 > June tabor - 2 > Karla bonoff - 2 > Leonard cohen - 2 > loreena McKennitt - 2 > Lucinda williams - 2 > Mahalia jackson - 2 > Maria callas - 2 > Maynard james keenan - 2 > Michael franks - 2 > Michael stipe - 2 > Nat king cole - 2 > Peter Gabriele - 2 > Prince - 2 > Ray charles - 2 > Roberta Flack - 2 > Rosemary clooney - 2 > Roy orbison - 2 > Seal - 2 > sheila chandra - 2 > Sherrelle Cary Smith - 2 > Stan rogers - 2 > Stevie winwood - 2 > Tim buckley - 2 > Toni childs - 2 > Tracy Chapman - 2 > Ute lemper - 2 > Wilson Pickett - 2 > Aengus finnan - 1 > Agnetha faltskog - 1 > Aimee mann - 1 > Alicia keys - 1 > Alison moyet - 1 > Andrea Marcovicci - 1 > Anita Baker - 1 > Anna Moffo - 1 > Annie herring - 1 > Annie ross - 1 > Arlo guthrie - 1 > Barbara cook - 1 > Barbara mandrell - 1 > Barrie White - 1 > Basia - 1 > BB King - 1 > Beck - 1 > Bessie smith - 1 > Betty buckley - 1 > Bill Champlin - 1 > Bing crosby - 1 > Bob dorough - 1 > Bob welch - 1 > Bobby bandiera - 1 > Bobby Caldwell - 1 > Bobby mcferrin - 1 > Bon scott - 1 > Bonnie Hayes - 1 > Boz scaggs - 1 > Brendan perry - 1 > Brian McKnight - 1 > Brian wilson - 1 > Bruce cockburn - 1 > Bruce dickinson - 1 > Bruce frank - 1 > Bryan ferry - 1 > Buddy holly - 1 > Byron stingily - 1 > Cab calloway - 1 > Candi staton - 1 > Cara luft - 1 > Carl wilson - 1 > Carmen mcrae - 1 > Caron wheeler - 1 > Chaka khan - 1 > Cher - 1 > Cheryl Bentyne - 1 > Cheryl lynn - 1 > Chris Issac - 1 > Christina Friis - 1 > Christine collister - 1 > Claudia sansoucie - 1 > Cocteau twins - 1 > Colin moulding - 1 > Crystal waters - 1 > Daniel roy - 1 > Danny kirwan - 1 > Darryl hall - 1 > Dave frishberg - 1 > Dave gilmour - 1 > Dave lambert - 1 > Dave Mason - 1 > David bridie - 1 > David byrne - 1 > David grey - 1 > David surkamp - 1 > Deana carter - 1 > Deb talan - 1 > Deborah conway - 1 > Diamanda Galas - 1 > Dianne reeves - 1 > Dionne warwick - 1 > Donna summer - 1 > Donny Hathaway - 1 > Dory previn - 1 > Eagle & hawk - 1 > Eddi reader - 1 > Eddie hinton - 1 > Eddie vedder - 1 > Edie Brickell - 1 > Eleanor mcevoy - 1 > Elliott Smith - 1 > Elvis Costello - 1 > Enya - 1 > Eric Clapton - 1 > Ethel Waters - 1 > Fiona apple - 1 > Frank orral - 1 > Frank zappa - 1 > Frankie Beverly - 1 > Garnet rogers - 1 > Geddy lee - 1 > Genesis - 1 > George benson - 1 > George harrison - 1 > George michael - 1 > Gino vannelli - 1 > Giselle hawkins - 1 > Giuseppe di Stefano - 1 > Gordon lightfoot - 1 > Grace jones - 1 > Greg lake - 1 > Gregg cagno - 1 > Hank williams - 1 > Happy rhodes - 1 > Harold Melvin - 1 > Henry Butler - 1 > Holly Cole - 1 > Imogen heap - 1 > Indina menzel - 1 > Israel Kamakawi'ole - 1 > Issac Hayes - 1 > Jack bruce - 1 > Jack johnson - 1 > Jack Nielsen - 1 > Jacob moon - 1 > Jane olivor - 1 > Janet jackson - 1 > Janis siegel - 1 > Jenny Goodspeed - 1 > Jenny lewis - 1 > Jerry garcia - 1 > Jim Croce - 1 > Jimmy buffet - 1 > Jimmy scott - 1 > Jimmy Webb - 1 > Joan armatrading - 1 > Joanie Sommers - 1 > Joe walsh - 1 > John denver - 1 > John doe - 1 > John farnham - 1 > John lee hooker - 1 > John lydon - 1 > John Mayer - 1 > John mcvie - 1 > John mellencamp - 1 > John pizzarelli - 1 > John wetton - 1 > Johnny mathis - 1 > Jon hendricks - 1 > Jonatha brooke - 1 > Jorge drexler - 1 > Jussi bjorling - 1 > Karen Peris - 1 > Karin Bergquist - 1 > Karrin Allyson - 1 > Katie noonan - 1 > Kay Ashley - 1 > Kaye starr - 1 > Keith & renee - 1 > Kenny Loggins - 1 > Kenny Rankin - 1 > Kim richey - 1 > King sunny ade - 1 > Kings of convenience - 1 > Kurt cobain - 1 > Kurt Elling - 1 > Lady miss kier - 1 > Lani Hall - 1 > Laurel Masse - 1 > Leah kunkel - 1 > Lena horne - 1 > Lenny kravitz - 1 > Leslie Feist - 1 > Levi stubbs - 1 > Levon helm - 1 > Liam McKahey - 1 > Linda ronstadt - 1 > Lisa Moscatiello - 1 > Lisa stansfield - 1 > Lisa winn - 1 > Liz Fraser - 1 > Louis armstrong - 1 > Lulu - 1 > Macy Gray - 1 > Manhattan Transfer - 1 > Marc jordan - 1 > Margaret becker - 1 > Margo timmins - 1 > Marianne faithfull - 1 > Mark reeves - 1 > Martha wash - 1 > Mary black - 1 > Mary chapin carpenter - 1 > Mary coughlan - 1 > Mary j blige - 1 > Mary Margaret O'Hara - 1 > Matilde santing - 1 > Maureen mcgovern - 1 > Melanie - 1 > Melissa manchester - 1 > Michael crawford - 1 > Michael Jackson - 1 > Michael martin murphy - 1 > Michael Ruff - 1 > Michel normandeau - 1 > Michelle shocked - 1 > Mick fleetwood - 1 > Milton nascimento - 1 > Minnie ripperton - 1 > Missy higgins - 1 > Monica schroeder - 1 > Morrissey - 1 > Murray pulver - 1 > N'dea davenport - 1 > Nanci griffith - 1 > Neil finn - 1 > Nils lofgren - 1 > Nnenna Freelon - 1 > Olivia newton-john - 1 > Otis Redding - 1 > Ozzy osbourne - 1 > Patti austin - 1 > Patti cathcart - 1 > Patty griffin - 1 > Paul buchanan - 1 > Paul kelly - 1 > Paul weller - 1 > Pauline henry - 1 > Peggy van zalm - 1 > Pete townshend - 1 > Procol harum - 1 > Ray davies - 1 > Ray LaMontagne - 1 > Reba mcentire - 1 > Renata scotto - 1 > Renee geyer - 1 > Richard Bliwas - 1 > Richard bona - 1 > Richard hawley - 1 > Richard manuel - 1 > Rick astley - 1 > Rick danko - 1 > Robert hunter - 1 > Robert Johnson - 1 > Robert owens - 1 > Roger mcguinn - 1 > ronnie milsap - 1 > Rory block - 1 > Sam moore - 1 > Sarah Ellyson - 1 > Sass jordan - 1 > Seu Jorge - 1 > Sheila Jordan - 1 > Sinead o connor - 1 > Skip James - 1 > Spirit - 1 > Steve perry - 1 > Steve tyler - 1 > Steven Santoro - 1 > Stevie ray vaughn - 1 > Sting - 1 > Susanna hoffs - 1 > Suzanne Vega - 1 > Sylvester - 1 > Tanita tikaram - 1 > Taye diggs - 1 > Teri thornton - 1 > Terry roche - 1 > The scorpions - 1 > Tift merrit - 1 > Tina turner - 1 > Tom johnston - 1 > Tom petty - 1 > Tracey thorn - 1 > Ultra nati - 1 > Victor johnson - 1 > Vince gill - 1 > Walter becker - 1 > Waltraud Meier - 1 > Whitney Houston - 1 > Will porter - 1 > Woody guthrie - 1 > Xavier rudd - 1 > Youssou n'dour - 1 > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:59:38 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20teaching=20njc?= it's nice to know that you're not alone thanks lesli - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:10:51 -0800 From: Catherine McKay To: Kate Bennett , joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: teaching njc >--- Kate Bennett wrote: > >> >once i taught the class in the broom closet of the >> famed rampart police >> division. < >> >> My first music lessons (violin!) were in the >> janitor's closet of the >> elementary school I attended... back in the day when >> music was part of the >> curriculum... that school is now considered one of >> the top elementary music >> programs in the country... I imagine they must have >> a music room by now :~} > >Now that I think of it, my piano lessons were in what >was obviously the storeroom of the school I went to. I >hadn't thought about that at the time though - it was >just the piano lessons room! > > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:04:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Randy wrote: > >> How can it be, in this world of cams everywhere, that there is no footage >> of the plane? > > There is some partial footage that I recall can be viewed at CNN.com. > Plus, it happened so fast and in an area not crowded by tourists with > video cams like in New York. I was thinking more of the stationary cams that are everywhere, and must surely be in great abundance around the Pentagon. Apparently there was one from a local gas station and another nearby that were confiscated by the gov't and never released, at least that's what one of the leading conspiracy authors said. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:34:36 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) but according to that video sent by Lori, there was no wreckage even. So not only no in-flight pics, but precious little scrap on the ground or in the building. And the one piece they do have, according to the vid. is argueably not even from that supposed plane. I gotta go re-watch. Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > Randy wrote: > > > >> How can it be, in this world of cams everywhere, that there is no > footage > >> of the plane? > > > > There is some partial footage that I recall can be viewed at > CNN.com. > > Plus, it happened so fast and in an area not crowded by tourists > with > > video cams like in New York. > > I was thinking more of the stationary cams that are everywhere, > and must surely be in great abundance around the Pentagon. > Apparently there was one from a local gas station and another > nearby that were confiscated by the gov't and never released, > at least that's what one of the leading conspiracy authors said. > http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/imsorry.wav ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:25:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: teaching njc >Now that I think of it, my piano lessons were in what was obviously the storeroom of the school I went to. I hadn't thought about that at the time though - it was just the piano lessons room!< isn't it cool that it didn't matter where we were when we were playing? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:13:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 NJC Wow Ron, quite an effort - thanks for putting that list of lists together. A fun thread to be sure, and I think we probably named every singer ever! Also glad you snagged #75 - very cool this technology thing... Bob, who got to sing in a fundraiser tonight and nailed 3 out of 3 NP: Me'Shell Ndegeocello, "Love Song #2" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:42:53 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: For "Cherish" McKay -- njc "Scare us" are the words we use to describe All the birthdays you've been having here and trying to hide We don't know how many candles we've watched you blow out We don't know how many cakes we've seen you throw out We don't know how many years have passed that No doubt make you someone who could Scare us all as much as these birthdays do And they do Scare us too "Scare us" are the words Happy birthday to my other favorite Canadian woman! XO, - --Smurf PS; If you'd been born a day earlier, you'd have been a fou! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:25:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) > but according to that video sent by Lori, there was no > wreckage even. > So not only no in-flight pics, but precious little scrap on > the ground or in the building. It's actually been known for a very long time that there was no evidence of a plane crash at the Pentagon. I heard about it a couple of years ago from a friend. There were definitely cameras nearby, and the tapes from those cameras were apparently confiscated by the gov't soon after the "crash." The video raises some very interesting questions about the lack of any plane debris, especially when you consider that the official story is that the thing incinerated yet so many bodies were identified. I could maybe accept that a few bodies were found intact somehow, but why so many? Yet no plane? And why wasn't the hole in the Pentagon wall BIGGER?? The whole thing is this simple: if there's nothing to hide, then release all the information. Camera footage, black box recordings, whatever. Let the public know as much information as exists. THAT will help put this matter to rest. Otherwise ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:48:40 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) Kakki, I just read your post again, and I have something else to add: > I'm sorry but I think that people are so disillusioned that they > want to believe anything to back up their own disillusionment. > Why? People ARE disillusioned, yes. In a very short period of time, we've watched the U.S. go from being a well-respected nation (despite Clinton's shenanigans and the aftermath, which just made the citizens of most other countries roll their eyes at our prudishness) to being one of the most loathed nations on the planet. Kakki, you may not believe this is so, but ask any of our listers who live somewhere other than in the U.S. what they and/or the citizens in their countries think of the United States right now. Just ask. Americans want to believe in their president, even when they don't necessarily agree with him. We want to be proud of our leaders. Right now, well more than half of us are not feeling that way. Why would that be? Now, in the middle of our disillusionment and shame, in the middle of a war that is dragging on and on without, apparently, any appreciable success and certainly without any strategy for ending it, many are learning that there are some real questions about 9/11 that need to be answered. (Some of us who didn't immediately buy into the "official story" about 9/11 have been asking these questions all along, but most people were shocked and frightened and believed what the administration told us, pretty much without question.) I don't think people want to believe anything to back up their own disillusionment. I think people want answers to their questions, and they aren't getting those answers, and THAT makes them more disillusioned. And angry.* As my mother used to say, "Hm. I wonder why?" Lori *Which is good, imo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:13:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: passports NJC >Im just reading the cbc news page and look what i found...the bit about Canadians needing a passport to travel across the border. Friend producing a concert with a Canadian group as headliners told me of the struggles the group had to go through to get across the border... it's a different world now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:39:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Conspiracy theories (njc) >There are some gaping holes, no pun intended: for instance, in the case of the Pentagon strike, this is the most restricted airspace in the world, literally a specially protected zone within another one. How can it be, in this world of cams everywhere, that there is no footage of the plane?< I remember when I first woke up on September 11, 2001 to a phone call telling me that the WTC & the pentagon had been attacked... it was the pentagon attack that was the hardest part to comprehend... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:44:00 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Conspiracy theories (njc) Lori Fye wrote: >>but according to that video sent by Lori, there was no >>wreckage even. >>So not only no in-flight pics, but precious little scrap on >>the ground or in the building. >> >> > >It's actually been known for a very long time that there was no evidence of >a plane crash at the Pentagon. I heard about it a couple of years ago from >a friend. > > I am anti-conspiracy theory. I never believe in conspiracy's theories. They are the province of paranoia and fervid imaginations. Occam's Razor applies. But there is something wrong about the Pentagon crash. It is beyond rational belief. When I first heard, a few years ago as Lori did, about the lack of evidence - and we saw so much of the Twin Towers on September 11th that we believed all evidence was there everywhere because we saw it in one place - I was very skeptical, But something about it does not add up. And if that doesn't add up, what about the rest of it. I cannot square a president sitting there like a log for seven-eight minutes in the nuclear age, in the age of nano seconds. But a lot of other things don't make sense with that. The president also ran away like a scared bunny on his transcontinental evading of duty. (How I longed for Clinton or Gore to have flown to DC immediately and proclaim, we are America, we will not be intimidated. But no - we had a saucer eyed fraidy cat who shirked his duty for hours.) So I don't know what to believe. The case has to be made for what happened. The video that Lori shared - that thing about the stock puts - that is really disturbing. Random coincidence? I don't know what to believe. Occam's Razor here may point to the conspiracy theory - if you have no jet wreckage, you have no jet, and you had flying abilities beyond that of the Blue Angels. missile like in execution. Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #123 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------