From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #121 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 1 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 121 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Lori Fye" ] Ian Shaw Interview, Part 2 [Bob Muller ] Duke athlete perception/NJC ["MIKE HICKS" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20njc=20where=20do=20you=20live=2Fteach=3F =20?= ["=] Re: Joni's Supposed Comments [Randy Remote ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Duke athlete perception/NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Duke athlete perception/NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] shawn njc ["Richard Flynn" ] jackson browne these days NJC [mags h ] 911 video [Allmanfan54@aol.com] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: 911 video ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes ["Lori Fye" ] Re: 911 video ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes ["Lori Fye" ] 911 video ["Steve Anderson" ] Re: 911 video ["Lori Fye" ] Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 [JRMCo1@aol.com] Don Alias ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Smurf ] Why are birds are active at night?, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 ["Lori Fye" ] New Laurel Canyon book [JRMCo1@aol.com] Leonard Cohen film debuts in Philly tonight [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Top 10, no top 20 ["ron" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:48:37 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP In a message dated 3/31/2006 1:36:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: I LOVE S&L, the album and the video - I can watch it again and again and never tire of it. Joni looks so damn sexy, and for that matter so does Don, very Omar Shariff/worldly handsome. They had a little fling, did they not? And of course she name-checks him in the live version of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat". And imo she's never had a better band - I think the high quality of these players pushed her to go above her own high bar. I concur Bob, IMO, this was her band. I too love this video and can watch it over and over again as well. And yes, I do believe they had a fling. Richard Blackwell, (played congas on Bruce's earlier albums) was a personal friend of Don's, and mentioned it when he learned I was a Joni fan. rosie NP: Marah, My Heart is the Bums on the Street ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:08:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item Nuriel asked a great question: > What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) Price: Limited edition "Night Ride Home" cd ... or Limited Edition "Both Sides Now" hatbox (neither of which are really worth a whole, whole lot in terms of price, at least not yet). Emotion: a well-worn copy of the Joni Mitchel Songbook, Volume 2 (I'm not sure if that's the correct title), which I bought brand new in 1978 or 1979 and have been carrying around ever since, even though I cannot play one single song from it. I just like having it, love its photographs in particular. For all I know, its value actually exceeds that of either of the "limited edition" cds I have. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ian Shaw Interview, Part 2 http://www.linnrecords.com/news/news_item_viewer.asp?NewsID=166 Interesting in that the first question asked of Ian in this second part is based on information that I provided to Linn, the fact that three of the tracks have never been recorded by anyone else besides Joni. Bob NP: Mark Isaacs, "Both Sides Now" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:34:30 -0500 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: Duke athlete perception/NJC >>>As for the Duke incident, it is pretty horrific and doesn't do anything to elevate their perception in my eyes>>>>> What is this perception? Several people on the list are Duke bashers. I always perceived that, from what I have seen on TV, that their coaches tend to run a tighter ship than most. Are there some instances that I have missed over the years? Mike NP: Sunny Day Real Estate - Television ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:51:18 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20njc=20where=20do=20you=20live=2Fteach=3F =20?= - ---------- Original Message ------------- on Wed, 29 Mar 2006 Marianne Rizzo asked >Hi lesli, > >what kind of class do you teach? > >where are you living? > >Marianne > > > >>in class i teach joni's songs as social commentary. i hope that's not >>illegal. > > hi i live up on top of the hill in topanga canyon. it can be cloud hidden or bright light blazing clear with la glittering and smoldering in the distance. sometimes you can see to catalina island and other times you need to focus on the rattler under the sagebrush in front of you. there are petrogyths and fossils. it is a very special place. but it's a long drive down the hill. i teach in the adult division of la unified. my bread and butter and home base is a place in west la (hence all the joni sightings) where i teach english second language. but they keep us part time so I teach whatever and whenever i can. i'm credentaled in 4 subjects being something of a dilettante. for pick-up work i've taught high school diploma classes and i've driven all over la to teach inner city kids during their breaks. these were six week remediation programs called summer youth. here in la "summer" could be any time during the year because we have multi-track schools. the kids were 14-21, different gangs, varied skill levels (college juniors to middle school special ed). the kids would have a job with a non profit 4 hours a day and we'd teach a 2 hour career planning class. i loved the irony of that since i'd stumbled into my job in adult ed. our mission was to help em with goal setting, math and reading and writing-AND THE PROJECT. that was the cool 20part. the students had to come up with an idea and we'd make it happen. projects were murals, graffitti clean ups, street fairs, gardens, websites you name it. once i taught the class in the broom closet of the famed rampart police division. the program really worked but then our folks in washington slashed the budget so now the 40,000 kids the programs served are on the streets again. very sad. i did that for about 7 years. i can' t say i miss the 2 hour each way commutes. there you have it. what about you? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:59:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Supposed Comments > Randy Remote wrote: "maybe having grandchildren > could change her perspective." > > > More likely that she'll be the one to hand them their first > cigarette...:) > > Love, > > Nuri : ( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:24:36 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item I love my mint condition Blue songbook. I think I love them all, actually. So, I'll say my complete Joni songbook collection. Yeah. Took a while to collect them all...but in a way, they complete me. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Duke athlete perception/NJC I always perceived that, from what I have seen on TV, that their coaches tend to run a tighter ship than most. Are there some instances that I have missed over the years? Mike< - ------ Reply: The Raleigh Durham News & Observer reports that in the past three years, about a third of the members of the Duke lacrosse team, under investigation in a reported gang rape, have been charged with misdemeanors stemming from drunken and disruptive behavior, court records show. Of the team's 47 members, 15 faced charges including underage alcohol possession, having open containers of alcohol, loud noise and public urination. Most of those charges were resolved in deals with prosecutors that allowed the players to escape criminal convictions. NBC-17 also discovered an instance in which a Duke student's debit card was stolen and used to purchase $100 in food. "No wonder Durham hates us," one student said as she reviewed a stack of citations involving lacrosse team players. "From the looks of that, it looks like they don't really take their season as seriously as they should in terms of staying out of trouble," student Chris Destasio said. Duke sports information officials said police usually tell university officials when athletes are cited for crimes. Disciplinary policies are in place, the officials said, but they declined to discuss past violations involving lacrosse players. - --- Christopher Costigan, Payton O'Brien, www.sports911.com - --- - -Julius In a message dated 3/31/06 2:08:21 PM, MHICKS004@aiken.k12.sc.us writes: > >>>As for the Duke incident, it is pretty horrific and doesn't do anything > to elevate their perception in my eyes>>>>> > What is this perception? Several people on the list are Duke bashers. I > always perceived that, from what I have seen on TV, that their coaches tend to > run a tighter ship than most. Are there some instances that I have missed > over the years? > > Mike > > NP: Sunny Day Real Estate - Television ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:57:34 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: shawn njc I also really like "Cry Like an Angel" on the first album, but for me "Fat City" is #1--I think I might give "A Few Small Repairs" the edge over "Steady On"--I listened to "Whole New You" repeatedly after it came out, but I think it's my least favorite. Favorite unofficial recording of a Shawn cover: Paul Simon's "The Only Living Boy in New York." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:08 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: shawn njc Kate wrote: > I was wrong! Shawn did earn a grammy for her first album (best contemporary > folk) before the two she got for a few small repairs. nice paragraph about > learning from joni in her bio at www.shawncolvin.com I haven't really been keeping up with the Top 10/20 thread, but I did think about starting my own response, and Shawn would definitely be in my list. "Steady On" is a brilliant album. It wasn't the title track that hooked me back in 1990, though (even though it was played on the radio a lot). It was "Diamond In The Rough," which happened to be playing on VH1 one day. It stopped me dead in my tracks across the living room. That doesn't happen to me very often. I've been a fan of Shawn ever since, and have seen her in concert 3 times (once from the front row, center, in Austin at the end of (I think) her "Cover Girl" tour). I agree that "Fat City" is Shawn's next best album, but I disagree with those who think "Whole New You" is a poor effort. Yes, her style on WNY is different from her previous albums, but there are songs on that album that are absolutely haunting, particularly "Another Plane Went Down," which for some reason I can play on continuous loop for a very long time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: jackson browne these days NJC http://www.jacksonbrowne.com/tour/default.aspx tender beautiful mags. let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ I'll keep on moving Things are bound to be improving these days These days- These days I sit on corner stones And count the time in quarter tones to ten, my friend Don't confront me with my failures I had not forgotten them ~jackson browne~ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:23:25 EST From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: 911 video Most of us are busy people. We live in a fast paced society, and finding even an hour and a half to sit in front of the computer to watch a video can be hard to do. Well, guess what..............to anyone who has ever doubted the motivation and scruples of our government, and many more who haven't, its real simple. Find the hour and a half and watch this video. Get as many of your friends as you can to watch it with you. Spend a couple of minutes and forward the link to everyone on your email list. It is indeed very disturbing, so you won't need popcorn, or Milk Duds, but you may need someone to snap your jaw shut when your done. I don't know who you are Lori, but thank you Peace Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes To those who so easily speak of Joni's smoken voice and being unable to listen to her last albums... If you had a mother when you were a baby, and every night she would sing you a beautiful song that made everything magical and vivid for you - would you not want to hear her when she's older and smokier? Or maybe you'd like Judy Collins to perform for you when you're older and smokier yourself? Plus i think the TTT is a masterpiece of how much can an older and smokier voice achieve, in terms of both RANGE (oh yes, Randy) and the way it's "forcing" the music to be briliant. Joni's voice is not a trumpet that you just throw away once it's rusted. She's a poet who's been there for you most of your life. Hehe - i can actually see you playing those albums a lot once she's gone. Oh, i see, you don't smoke...:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:57:48 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 911 video > Most of us are busy people. We live in a fast paced society, and finding > even an hour and a half to sit in front of the computer to watch a video can be > hard to do. Well, guess what..............to anyone who has ever doubted the > motivation and scruples of our government, and many more who haven't, its real > simple. Find the hour and a half and watch this video. Get as many of your > friends as you can to watch it with you. Spend a couple of minutes and forward > the link to everyone on your email list. It is indeed very disturbing, so > you won't need popcorn, or Milk Duds, but you may need someone to snap your jaw > shut when your done. I don't know who you are Lori, but thank you Well said, Ed, and you're welcome. Actually, I again need to thank Mark Morfordof the San Francisco Chronicle for publishing the link where I would notice it. As for me, I'm just the gay girl next door ... ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:07:07 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes Joni's smoke doesn't get in my eyes -- or my ears. Yes, my favorite "Joni voice" is that of her Court & Spark/Hissing/Hejira/DJRD/Mingus days (Hejira being my first Joni album), but I love her voice as much in her later work. Actually, I think I prefer Joni's voice of today over her "helium" voice of, say, LOTC. But that's just me. Recently I was asked during a job interview what my dream job would be. I said I would love to paid to ride my motorcycle. But that's not really my dream job. My dream job would be to work for Joni Mitchell, in any sort of capacity she might hire me. Yes, I know she's moody (she's a Scorpio, afterall). But I think it would be so awesome to work for her, as her assistant, her secretary, her whatever. (Okay, maybe not her housekeeper). However, to do that would mean I would have to deal with Joni's smoking, too. I don't care for cigarette smoke, and lately have been so glad to now live in California because I can go ANYWHERE and not be assaulted by ciggie smoke. It's great to be able to go to a bar and not come home smelling like someone else's ... breath or lungs. However, Joni smokes, she always has, she probably always will. She has said it "grounds" her. Perhaps it has wreaked havoc on her voice, or maybe her changing voice is the result of age, or maybe it's a combination of those and other things. But her voice is still beautiful, SHE is still beautiful, and I would gladly put up with her smoking any day, just for the time I could spend getting to know her. Just daydreaming, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:14:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 911 video Oops. My apologies. I meant to edit this to add NJC. Joni-Onlies, please forgive? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:16:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes Reading posts in random order, I just saw this from Kate: > jeff who never cared for her voice before hearing > travelogue just loves her sound now... joni are you listening????????? See ... everyone has different ears, different tastes. I wouldn't count Joni out anytime soon (or ever). Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:47:29 -0600 From: "Steve Anderson" Subject: 911 video I have been trying to download this so I cna have it and cannot seem to get it to download. I installed the goggle player but it just plays and the sound flutters. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch for the link and the help. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:04:39 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 911 video I've replied to Steve off-list. As a reminder, in the future we should all add (NJC) to this subject, in fairness to those on the Joni-only versions of the discussion list. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:21:22 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 Thanks for compelling me to comment, Kate. And thanks to Lori and Mark of the SF Chronicle. I'm aghast at what I saw in this documentary, of course, and the facts presented all appear authentic and well-researched and vetted. Obviously, no documentary or news report of any kind can be completely objective. There are *always* inherent biases. Lots of them. Not least among them is "bias of omission," which is absolutely unavoidable in any news or documentary-style account. This film is no exception. However, the issues raised and the evidence presented are compelling and believable. Moreover, I'm utterly pissed off, which should serve as a red flag when trying to engage in logical thought on any vital issue. Anger clouds judgment and is always the result of one or more of three emotions: hurt, fear and/or frustration. I am experiencing all of these vis a vis the Bush administration. I will have to learn to manage that. Trying hard to, even as I type. I'm determined to approach this extremely critical question of the veracity of the United States government logically, with a cool head, because the world itself is truly at stake. That said, here's what I believe to be an excellent primer on conspiracy theories re: 9/11, as linked in Morford's online article. Let's separate the wheat from the chaff and deal with reality if at all possible. It's interesting reading: http://nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html I'd be interested in hearing thought if you get a chance to read this. - -Julius In a message dated 3/30/06 10:08:03 PM, kate@katebennett.com writes: > Please comment when you've watched Julius... > > > >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:24:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Don Alias For some reason his death just shocked me into no words. But I want to add my thoughts & sadness that he's gone way too young. Joni must be very very sad. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:36:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes I don't quite get the logic. The options are: Joni's smoky voice or nothing? Of course, even if my mother was a junkie, I would prefer her to be alive to not being there at all.....so...? Of course I cherish the fact that Joni is with us, and welcome her creativity in whatever form it may take. If she wants to retire from public life, that's fine. She's been to the mountain top, and it was a helluva ride that we are all lucky to have shared. I'm glad she made those later albums, too, if only for the people that like her later voice. Personally, I don't play those albums, not only for the wasted vocal cords, but because the songs are mostly weaker imo. (donning helmut at this point). But there is just no way to rejoice that she is hastening her ill health by chain smoking, and the voice is a real-time reminder of that. Joni is an adult, and entitled to do what she wants, and fuck me or anyone who thinks they know better. Still, anyone who has a loved one who smokes heavily or has another dangerous addiction wishes they would shake it, and pursue a healthier course of action. I've been on both sides of that equation. And by range, I meant musical range, not emotional. RR, who likes earlier Billie Holiday, too, and doesn't really enjoy her later raspiness, and doesn't know why he is referring to himself in the third person. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes > To those who so easily speak of Joni's smoken voice and being unable to > listen to her last albums... > > If you had a mother when you were a baby, and every night she would sing > you a beautiful song that made everything magical and vivid for you - > would you not want to hear her when she's older and smokier? Or maybe > you'd like Judy Collins to perform for you when you're older and smokier > yourself? > > Plus i think the TTT is a masterpiece of how much can an older and > smokier voice achieve, in terms of both RANGE (oh yes, Randy) and the way > it's "forcing" the music to be briliant. > > > Joni's voice is not a trumpet that you just throw away once it's rusted. > She's a poet who's been there for you most of your life. Hehe - i can > actually see you playing those albums a lot once she's gone. > > > Oh, i see, you don't smoke...:) > > Love, > > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:50:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" > Reading posts in random order, I just saw this from Kate: > >> jeff who never cared for her voice before hearing >> travelogue just loves her sound now... joni are you listening????????? > > See ... everyone has different ears, different tastes. "goes to show you never can tell" -Chuck Berry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:08:30 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - --- Lori wrote: << My dream job would be to work for Joni Mitchell, in any sort of capacity she might hire me. Yes, I know she's moody (she's a Scorpio, afterall). But I think it would be so awesome to work for her, as her assistant, her secretary, her whatever. (Okay, maybe not her housekeeper). >> Ha, Lori! THREE quotations immediately popped into my brain in the following order: "No man is a hero to his valet." "More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones." "Be careful what you wish for." First, if I never meet Joni that's fine with me. I'd probably be introduced to her on a bad day and she'd most likely tell me to feck myself and I'd tell her her '80s hairdo sucked and that would be the end of my 30+ year obsession with the finest songwriter of my time on this earth. I have seen Joni in concert 4 times, from the early '70s through her 2000 tour, and I am grateful for that -- it's enough. As far as smoking goes, I was fortunate enough to have found the strength to beat the addiction more than 2 years ago. Since then I have been diagnosed with mild obstructive disease and asthma. My doctor has told me I cannot ever smoke *anything* again and I need to avoid cigarette smoke. After 35+ years of smoking, I am glad to have gotten off so easily. And I am grateful to live in a state that prohibits smoking in all public places. (In fact, I now work for the man who gets much of the credit for getting the laws changed in Massachusetts.) I do not lecture friends who still smoke, but I do avoid them when they light up. There is not a day that goes by when I do not regret the damage I've done to myself and feel guilt for all the secondhand smoke I made friends, passersby and other total strangers inhale over the years. As someone who has done more stupid things in a lifetime than most small, rowdy crowds will ever do, I consider smoking cigarettes the lamest and most inexcusable exercise in idiocy I have ever carried on. I wish the whole world would quit; not for my sake, but for their own. Now that I've come out of the fog, it seems basic that breathing clean air is a pretty damn good idea. But tomorrow morning I will go to my mother's nursing home and take her outside and light her cigarettes for her, because it's what she wants and it's one of her life's only pleasures. (She has no interest in quitting even though she's been smoking for more than 70 years.) It's a crazy addiction that I see from both sides now, so when Joni offers me that job, Lori, I am going to have to do my best Nancy Reagan imitation and just say NO! But if that's what you really want to do, Lori, breathe the secondhand smoke of someone who can't or won't quit, I will give her your resume and suggest that she offer a good health plan when she hires you. XO, - --Smurf, smoke-free and still wheezing Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:11:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Why are birds are active at night?, njc Cat, I was reading up on weather radar when I found this: >Echoes from migrating birds regularly appear during nighttime hours between late February and late May, and again from August through early November.> So, I think they migrate at night. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:34:18 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 >http://nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html I'd be interested in hearing thought if you get a chance to read this. - -Julius< I just read it. IMO, the most poignant & scary & sad & telling statement about this whole humungous thing is summed up in the following excerpt from the article you posted: >Only one person picked A, the official story. This was a fireman, who was smoking a cigarette outside a downtown engine company. Truth be told, I wasn't keen on quizzing firemen about 9/11 Truth, but I knew the guy's brother from high school. "Not answering that," he said, warning not to ask others in the company, which had lost men on 9/11. This didn't mean he wasn't of the opinion that if he lived to be a million he'd never "see anything as corrupt, bullshit, and sad as what happened at the WTC. "They got their gold and shipped us to Fresh Kills," he said. Call it one more conspiracy theory, but many uniformed firefighters believe the powers that be cared more about finding the gold reserves held in vaults beneath the Trade Center than the bodies of their fallen brothers. Still, the fireman said, if he had to pick a letter in my poll, it would be A. "Osama fucking bin Laden, like Bush says. If I thought it was someone else, then I'd have to do something about it. And I don't want to think about what I'd do." < ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:54:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes > But if that's what you really want to do, Lori, > breathe the secondhand smoke of someone who can't or > won't quit, I will give her your resume and suggest > that she offer a good health plan when she hires you. Smurf, I was thinking of you a lot as I wrote what I did about wanting to work for Joni, because I know it was hard for you to quit and I know how much it means to you that you have quit. And I'm glad you've quit. Very glad. I don't mean to seem as if I "approve" of Joni's smoking. I just know that I can't do anything about it, anymore than I can convince those in my family (that would be most of my family, actually) to quit. I've tried all kinds of reasoning with them, but nothing works and so I just choose to hold my breath or go outside or whatever. Still ... I would like to meet Joni someday. I probably won't, but it's been something I've wished for since 1977. And I would put up with her smoking to do it. I would work for her if she offered me a job. So if you have an "in," then yes, please do forward my resume to her. (I would attach it but that would be too much, wouldn't it?) I don't think smoking is sexy or smart by any means -- in fact I often want to walk up to people and say, "You looked so great until you lit up. How unattractive." But it is what it is: one of the most powerful addictions on the planet, and I accept that Joni chooses to smoke. Lori, who still smokes some things sometimes, has been covered head to toe in PCB-laden oil, has been seriously radiated upon, et cetera ... and who just doesn't worry about any of it anymore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:08:25 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 > http://nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html > I'd be interested in hearing thought if you get a chance to read this. > -Julius I read the article yesterday, and it's excellent. I like the fact that the article challenges and even poo-poohs some of the other conspiracy theories throughout time, pointing out that some really are beyond possibility -- although I have a few friends who would be the first to tell me that extraterrestrials were behind 9/11, and I love those friends and who really knows if they're wrong? However, the article seems to mainly back up the documentary, and the point of both is this: There are too many unanswered questions that NEED ANSWERS. The U.S. government needs to answer the questions. It OWES the world those answers. It's very obvious that a whole bunch of "otherwise innocent" people knew that 9/11 was about to happen before that horrible day. Those people need to tell us what they knew, when they knew, how they knew it. Somebody in power needs to have the backbone to force them, and the government, to answer the questions. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:18:28 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 Kate, have I read you correctly?: the worst thing is that many who see/ feel/intuit the dishonesty and incompetence of GWB voted to give him a second term. The (temporary?) crushing of the Taliban tickled a dark bloodlust in enough of our citizens to make them buy into his jingoistic macho. This dynamic overwhelmed every other consideration. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:31:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 Hi David, Are you talking about my response to the fireman's quote in the article that Julius posted? I don't understand what you are asking me. _____ From: Dflahm@aol.com [mailto:Dflahm@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:18 PM To: kate@katebennett.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 Kate, have I read you correctly?: the worst thing is that many who see/ feel/intuit the dishonesty and incompetence of GWB voted to give him a second term. The (temporary?) crushing of the Taliban tickled a dark bloodlust in enough of our citizens to make them buy into his jingoistic macho. This dynamic overwhelmed every other consideration. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:40:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 David wrote: > Kate, have I read you correctly?: the worst thing is that > many who see/feel/intuit the dishonesty and > incompetence of GWB voted to give him a second > term. The (temporary?) crushing of the Taliban tickled a > dark bloodlust in enough of our citizens to make them > buy into his jingoistic macho. This dynamic > overwhelmed every other consideration. I can't answer for Kate, but I don't read that into what she posted, the end of which was this quote from the firefighter who believes the responsibility for 9/11 rests with ... "Osama fucking bin Laden, like Bush says. If I thought it was someone else, then I'd have to do something about it. And I don't want to think about what I'd do." When I read the above quote, I hear someone who would rather SAY and CONVINCE himself that "it's like Bush says" and believe that bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, because otherwise he would have to take personal responsibility for doing "something" to "someone." And he's not ready to do that. It would mean a commitment, it would mean probably screwing up whatever normalcy is left in his life. And really, that's the whole problem, isn't it? Most people are not willing to make that kind of commitment. I hesitate to make it, too. I had a discussion with my partner about the idea that the U.S. gov't might've been behind 9/11, and she said, "It's just too fucking scary to think about." Yes, it is. So we don't. Most of us continue as good sheeple, believing that it must be some OTHER "bad guys" who did this, because it's too goddamned frightening to even consider, let alone believe, that our own people could've done it. As I told her, though, Hitler did his thing only about 60 years ago. History repeats itself, especially if we don't keep our eyes and ears open and watch those in power very carefully. Americans have always believed we're so good and different, but ... are we really??? ALL of us? Are you sure? I'm not sure. (But then, I never have been.) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:43:34 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Don Alias > For some reason his death just shocked me into no words. That's how I've been feeling. When I first read the news yesterday, all I could say was an almost involuntary, "Oh, no." It's just sad. Death sucks. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 02:40:07 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: New Laurel Canyon book You saw the movie? Now read the book, if ya wanna... From some entertainment news website: Laurel Canyon's rock 'n' roll legacy CALL Hollywood's Laurel Canyon the original rock 'n' roll suburb. From the mid-1960s to the early '80s, a massive influx of British rockers and East Coast bohemians mingled with local druggies and folkies, rockers and hippies in a leafy mountainside enclave just north of the Sunset Strip. Author Michael Walker's "Laurel Canyon: The Inside Story of Rock and Roll's Legendary Neighborhood," (Farrar Straus and Giroux) chronicles the canyon's decadent musical menagerie as it came to be defined by the rock royalty that lived there b members of the Doors, the Byrds, the Mamas & the Papas, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Frank Zappa and Joni Mitchell, among many others. "There was this tribal life, this incredible hotbed of talent," Walker, a Laurel Canyon dweller, explains. "Two dozen of the baby boom generation's signature artists were neighbors in a place with a history of tolerating unapologetic behavior. "There was a lot of energy and creativity. A lot of what turned out to be the 20th century's most lasting compositions were recorded in Laurel Canyon." - --- - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 02:48:01 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Leonard Cohen film debuts in Philly tonight Posted on Thu, Mar. 30, 2006 PHILADELPHIA FILM FESTIVAL Leonard Cohen, in his timeless words and music By Steven Rea Inquirer Movie Critic REVIEW: Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man Poet, novelist, songwriter and fabled Romeo (a 1977 album, produced by Phil Spector of all people, is called Death of a Ladies' Man), Leonard Cohen emerged from the same '60s folk scene that spawned Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell, the same '60s Beat era that spawned Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac. But Cohen, a Montrealer, always stood apart. He wore suits. He didn't sing, he croaked. He seemed older (he was - he's 71 now). And his songs ("Suzanne," "Sisters of Mercy," "Chelsea Hotel"), meditations on love and God, solitude and sex, felt timeless. Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man, a glorious mix of documentary and concert film, shows just how timeless his music, and words, are. Intercutting interviews and archival footage with performances from a tribute concert held in Sydney in early 2005, the movie captures the elegance, wit, spiritual longing and deep hum-ability of Cohen's work. Rufus Wainwright, Beth Orton, Jarvis Cocker, Linda Thompson, Teddy Thompson, Nick Cave and the falsetto-crazy Antony are among the stars who sing. U2's Bono and The Edge chime in with backstage praise. And Cohen, raking over his past and his present, reflects. Like his songs, Cohen's interview borders on the pretentious but never gets there - ably deflated by irony and self-deprecation. The Sydney Opera House concert was produced by the great Hal Willner, the film was directed by Lian Lunson. It's a gem. DETAILS: Directed by Lian Lunson, concert produced by Hal Willner. With Leonard Cohen, Rufus Wainwright, Beth Orton, Nick Cave, Bono, Antony and others. Running time: 1 hour, 38 mins. Parent's guide: No MPAA rating (adult themes) Playing at: 10 p.m. Fri., March 31 at the Bridge and 5 p.m. Sat., April 1 at the Ritz. More information: www.phillyfests.com Contact movie critic Steven Rea at 215-854-5629 or srea@phillynews.com. Read his recent work at http://go.philly.com/stevenrea. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:59:11 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 well - that was fascinating. how about a collation of the results? since im at home on leave for a week (& have already blown all my money) ill volunteer to do the honours. if everyone will send me their lists (i havent kept them) ill tot up all the votes - a mention on a list regardless of ranking = 1 vote obviously the poiny here would not be to see whos the best singer, but who is the most popular ron ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #121 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------