From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #120 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 31 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 120 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni songs in class ["mike pritchard" ] njmc/ re: Top 10 [j m ] Re: Top 20 voices ["mike pritchard" ] Morph the Cat 31.03 ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? [seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: Joni's Supposed Comments [Randy Remote ] Re: top vocalists njc [Randy Remote ] Not so contraversial after all [Gordon G Mackie ] Most Valuable Joni Item [Nuriel Tobias ] need email address (njc) ["Marian Russell" ] Top Voices [Gordon G Mackie ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item [Bob Muller ] Re: Morph the Cat now NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Morph the Cat now NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Morph the Cat now NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Maria Mckee (and Emusic) njc ["Azeem" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #94 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re:Top Vocalists now Barbara Cook NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Out of the past [tinkersown@comcast.net] RE: njc/ re: Top 10 [Joseph Palis ] Both Sides Now on DVD-A [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? [Joseph Palis ] Re: Morph the Cat now Dianne Reeves NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Don Alias ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Top 10, no top 20 ["ron" ] Dianne Reeves [Joseph Palis ] copyright issues NJC [Joseph Palis ] RE: Top 10, no top 20 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Top 10, no top 20 ["ron" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Cassy" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Cassy" ] RE: Top 10, no top 20 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP [Catherine McKay ] Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP [Bob Muller ] Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: shawn njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Loori's video NJC + Laurent's peace ["Lori Fye" ] Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 ["Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni songs in class >>NP: Roger Whittaker, "Both Sides Now" (slice of cheese, anyone?)<< Confession: Roger 'Whistlin' Whittaker studied Chemistry at the UCNW, in my home town of Bangor, but I never met him there, thank the lard, because he's obviously much older than I am. mike in barcelona np Johnny Hartman: For Trane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:37:09 -0800 (PST) From: j m Subject: njmc/ re: Top 10 1, 2, 3, &4] The Manhattan Transfer 5] Bobby McFerrin 6] Joni Mitchell 7] Rikki Lee Jones 8] Al Jarreau 9] Joni Mitchell 10] Rikki Lee Jones If ya like Rikki and/or RoseAnn Cash, check out Tift Merrit & Kim Richey (Me and You is a cool tune) and of course there is Deana Carter, Toni Childs & do`nt forget George Benson, Minnie Ripperton, Phoebe Snow, Sade, ..... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:35:09 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Top 20 voices I want to thank Mack (I think it was you, Mack) for starting the thread re voices (apologies if it was someone else), because through all this information regarding wonderful voices I was inspired to buy Johnny Hartman's 'For Trane' album recently. He was one of the Top 20 voices recommended by someone and although I had never heard of him I thought I'd take a shot, given my love for Coltrane. It turns out that track two on this CD is called 'Violets For Your Furs', and this was the track (on 'More Lasting then Bronze', I think) that made me fall in love with Coltrane's work in Wales in the 1980s. I have looked for years for MLTB but have had no luck (I know I could probably find it in 0.027 secs in Amazon but everyone needs a quest, right?) and had in fact forgotten about this track completely. How wonderful to hear it again and for all the memories of another type of life in another country to come flooding back. Thanks again for this, and so many other pleasures opened up to me by this splendid group of people. I love you all. mike in bcn np Johnny Hartman - The Nearness of You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:36:29 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Morph the Cat 31.03 >>To Mike & everyone else who has mentioned Donald Fagen...just in case you haven't picked up on it yet, his latest solo album "Morph The Cat" has been out for 2 weeks now and I'm really liking it. (I say it's a solo album but like his others the sound is very much like Steely Dan's). I find it FAR superior to Kamakiriad and Everything Must Go, matter of fact I have to go all the way back to Aja to find a Fagen project that I've enjoyed more. While it's cleanly produced, it's not so deathly sterile and soulless like recent Fagen/Dan stuff has been. And there are some EXCELLENT solo's, hey, they even sound - dare I say it - spontaneous. Anyway, if you don't 'get' Fagen/SD, or you can't take his nasally tone, you won't like this either. But if you're a Dan fan, you'll dig it. << Hi Bob, I'm a big Steely Dan/Donald Fagen fan and there's practically nothing I don't like from him/them. Having said that, I don't hear that much of a difference between Kamakiriad and Morph the Cat. In fact, the more I listen to he latter the more I hear echoes of the former. Give me a couple more weeks and I'll tell you which lyrics from K fit seamlessly onto the music from MtC. Try this at home. Regarding your comment re Fagen projects, did you not like Two Against Nature? Wonderful, although the lyrics from this too 'fit' onto MtC. I generally find people love or hate SD, usually because they are said to be 'too laid back' or 'too slick' or 'always the same'. I like slick and laid back, and the wonderful writing and music, so the fact that it sounds similar, to some ears, doesn't bother me at all. mike in barcelona (whose copy of Randall and Claudia arrived a week before Bob's did) NP Johnny Hartman - My Funny Valentine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:41:51 -0500 From: seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? J Kendel Johnson wrote: "Joni's voice was so deteriorated on her last two albums that, after initially listening to investigate and take in the work she had done, I have not put them back in my CD player, her voice so weak and her careful tiptoeing around the places it can no longer take her grieve me so." I don't agree with that at all. I think Joni's voice is more gorgeous and expressive than ever on BSN and Travelogue, and it kills me that she stopped recording when she did, as she reached a new plateau. - - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:54:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Supposed Comments From: "J Kendel Johnson" > Joni's voice was so deteriorated on her last two albums that, after > initially listening to investigate and take in the work she had done, I > have not put them back in my CD player, her voice so weak and her careful > tiptoeing around the places it can no longer take her grieve me so. I don't know if grief is the right word, but basically, I have to agree with you. The vocal decline begins after WTRF...TTT and TI are basically "hoarse whisperers", too, the middle 'body' part of her voice is gone, along with the range on those. I don't find it adds character, wisdom, or whatever others hear. No more than when a hinge becomes rusty...it's just neglect. Though I do think it is probably reversable if she were to give up the coffin nails. But she is far too obstinate to do that, apparently...but you never know...maybe having grandchildren could change her perspective. (please, no posts that Joni doesn't owe anybody anything. I know that.) RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:58:34 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: top vocalists njc ----- Original Message ----- From: PassScribe@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org ; guitarzan@direcpc.com From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 7. Leah Kunkel - okay, you've never heard of her, but trust me Sure, Randy; drummer Russ Kunkel's wife, right? Kenny B Ex, actually ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:52:13 +0100 From: Gordon G Mackie Subject: Not so contraversial after all Hi I should read the posts poperly before I think I'm saying something new. Doh, a Homer Simpson moment for me. Contraversial.....moi..hee hee. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni's Supposed Comments Randy Remote wrote: "maybe having grandchildren could change her perspective." More likely that she'll be the one to hand them their first cigarette...:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Most Valuable Joni Item This one goes to the more luckier guys here: What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 05:13:25 -0500 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: need email address (njc) Does anyone have Rocky Green's (greenstudio) email address? Hope someone can help me! Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:44:24 +0100 From: Gordon G Mackie Subject: Top Voices Hi All, Reflecting on this one...and unusually with time to spare while the guy from Scottish Gas fixes my heating, here's my tuppence worth:- Joni Mitchell (voice pre 2000)..bein' a little contrversial ..still great phrasing and understanding of a lyric but has rightly stopped recording IMHO (I know she says she has stopped for other reasons) June Tabor (she's not only a folk singer...see "Some Other Time"album or her version of 'First Time Ever I saw your face") Jussi Bjorling (if 'Ch'ella mi creda' doesnt make you cry you have no soul) Maria Callas (pre 1965 - if ever there was a lesson for JM its here) Ella Fitzgerald - she could sing a menu and I'd still be enthralled Tom Waits- what... a voice..lol. He's fab. Ute Lemper- what an artist James Taylor (though sadly I don't like a lot of his material but a great voice) Diana Krall (why don't trad jazz people like her?)- great live performer too. Dory Previn (remember her !) 'Unique' voice of a tortured soul. Great material too. 'Esthers First Communion' is a wee gem. I'll stop at 10 and await the brickbats! Not all opinions are equal. Have a good weeknd y'all Gordon ( a bit cold here...please fix my heating mister) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:27:32 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item In terms of value, I guess it's my remastered DCC Blue but it has gone missing... hmmmm in terms of 'prized possession' it's my poster collection, my two favourite being the poster for 'Mingus' which is a gorgeous reproduction of the painting 'Sweet Sucker Dance' and the poster for DJRD which is in landscape and the colour is really thick and heavy. I'm moving this weekend and I wold die if those two got damaged. Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 31/03/06, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > This one goes to the more luckier guys here: > > What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) > > Love, > > Nuri > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/jamie.zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, Both Sides Now of March Madness >Lovable does not even begin > to describe her. Looks like you get dibs on Ivory, Joseph. Patti the party pooper put the kibosh on my attempts to woo her...hot hot blazes to smoke and ash in 24 hours... As for the Duke incident, it is pretty horrific and doesn't do anything to elevate their perception in my eyes. If you're interested in reading the nitty gritty, all the documents can be found at one of my favorite sites (besides Joni Undercover, that is), the smoking gun: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0329061duke1.html Please keep me posted about you & Ivory. I'm content to live vicariously as it's pretty much all I do these days. Bob NP: The Supremes, "All I Want" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Morph the Cat 31.03 NJC Thanks for your comments, Mike - I guess it's just some subtleties that separate this one from Two Against Nature, which I also thought was great. I think the songs on MtC are catchier and hookier. While 2vN had great songs, the production was over-sterilized, and the drums are totally annoying (a problem they've had ever since the post-Aja days). Oh to hear another drum workout like Steve Gadd's work on Aja. Kamakiriad was just plain bad; by Fagen standards, at least. Bland & forgettable, musically & lyrically. Except for "Snowbound", I couldn't hum a single melody from it today, and I've heard it a lot. MtC isn't without its flaws, however - I don't care for "The Brite Nitegown", seems like a 2-note melody over one of those annoying drum tracks he seems to like. At least it throws in some nice guitars and muted horns...it's those kinds of accents that give MtC a warmer feel than the "sanitized for your protection" feel of the past couple of projects. Bob NP: Donald Fagen, "Countermoon" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item Price wise: probably my copy of the "Starart" book. Emotion wise: The original phote of me and Joni (thanks Pearl)and my ticket stub that she signed. Bob NP: Arctic Monkeys, "When The Sun Goes Down" (love this record) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:59:16 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Morph the Cat now NJC >>Oh to hear another drum workout like Steve Gadd's work on Aja.<< Double Amen to that, as fine as they come. More thoughts to come... m np - Good night and good luck soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Morph the Cat now NJC Reminds me that about two weeks ago I saw a DVD about the making of Aja (bless you, Netflix) and it was fascinating. While they didn't discuss that particular solo, Becker & Fagen did discuss lots of nitty gritty details about the making of it - also some nice footage of Michael McDonald and his quadruple-harmony work on "Peg", as well as Joni players Wayne Shorter & Larry Carlton. A super show for the Dan fan, and at only an hour it definitely leaves you wanting for more. There's a brief Fagen interview in the latest Rolling Stone where they talk about that Gadd solo: http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/donaldfagen/articles/story/9519861/donald_fagen_gets_inspired Bob NP: The Teen Queens, "Eddie My Love" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:08:46 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Morph the Cat now NJC Thanks for this Bob. I, of course, bought the Fagen CD on your recommendation. You've never let me down yet. mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "mike pritchard" Cc: "list" Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Morph the Cat now NJC > Reminds me that about two weeks ago I saw a DVD > about the making of Aja (bless you, Netflix) and > it was fascinating. While they didn't discuss > that particular solo, Becker & Fagen did discuss > lots of nitty gritty details about the making of > it - also some nice footage of Michael McDonald > and his quadruple-harmony work on "Peg", as well > as Joni players Wayne Shorter & Larry Carlton. > > A super show for the Dan fan, and at only an hour > it definitely leaves you wanting for more. > > There's a brief Fagen interview in the latest > Rolling Stone where they talk about that Gadd > solo: > > http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/donaldfagen/articles/story/9519861/donal d_fagen_gets_inspired > > Bob > > NP: The Teen Queens, "Eddie My Love" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:15:23 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Maria Mckee (and Emusic) njc As I mentioned a few days ago, Im a recent Emusic convert; at this moment Im listening to Maria Mckees new album, Peddlin Dreams, downloaded from the site (which, in case anyone is wondering, is legal and does pay artistes royalties). Its a really terrific collection of songs, which may even be her best yet. And the first song, Season Of The Fair, is the best song Ive heard this year. So there! Azeem in London NP: Maria McKee - My One True Love - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/298 - Release Date: 30/03/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:26:18 -0500 From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #94 Top Songsmiths Since we're in list mode, and strictly in the interests of starting a passionate argument, I hereby humbly proffer my Top 20 welders and mergers of words and music: 1. Todd Rundgren 2. Joni 3. Paul McCartney (pre-1972) 4. Laura Nyro 5. Bob Dylan 6. Brian Wilson/Smokey Robinson 8. Stevie Wonder 9. Pete Townshend 10. Fagen/Becker 11. Andy Partridge 12. Broooooce 13.Colin Moulding 14. Carole King 15. Rickie Lee Jones 16. Prince 17. David Byrne 18. David Bowie 19. Buddy Holly 20. Tom Petty Rob xx - -- Rob Steen 01326 316289 (h) 07813 668726 (mob) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:02:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re:Top Vocalists now Barbara Cook NJC It may have been a bad night, or maybe some people are turned off by her style of singing. I've seen her about a dozen times, from the mid seventies through all of her last few concerts. I missed her Met concert. She is the only popular singer EVER invited to do a solo concert at the Met and the recording will be released in a few weeks. All those I have experienced have been sold out and have never seen anyone leave. In fact, she almost always ends with singing without a microphone. It may not impress others, but to me it is a thrill of a lifetime to hear a real human voice that can still fill a concert hall. Jerry Joseph Palis wrote: > I agree with you, Jerry that Barbara Cook's voice has all the chops of a > singer half her age and she hits high notes with ease too. Excellent > diction. Superb control. But then I have not seen her perform live. I > wonder if these days she is best heard on record rather than in > performance if I may base that observation on Kenny B.'s post. Last week > I found out that she is coming to UNC in the fall season for a concert. > Most likely I will see her. A legend is a legend, but . . . > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > np: Vanessa Williams "Betcha Never" > PassScribe@aol.com a icrit : In a message dated 3/26/06 9:18:13 PM, > owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > > >> From: "Gerald A. Notaro" >> Subject: My top 20 >> >> Barbara Cook - At 79 sounds better than most singers in their 20's. When >> she stops singing, it will be the end of an era. >> > Hi, Gerald, > I've been reading everyone's takes on the top vocalists when I found > this one and had to reply: > My wife and I (and another couple) went to see Barbara Cook in > concert, > about seven years ago. At the intermission, the four of us were so turned > off > by her singing that we left the show (and we weren't the only ones). May > have > been a bad night for her but it was the only time we ever saw her and > quite > disappointed. > > Kenny B > > > > --------------------------------- > Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les > tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et > l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:16:43 +0100 From: "clive sax" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2006 #118 Elizabethtown Hi all, A Few weeks ago I was watching Elizabethtown and there is a scene where the main guy is walking along a corridor to his bosses office. The walls are full of art and I thought momentarily - is that a Joni Mitchell there? I forgot about it and while doing my monthly peruse of Jonimitchell.com/JMDl I came across a design Joni Had done for Cameron Crowe for a magazine cover about Elizabethtown - which reminded me of the Joni Painting in the film. Did anyone else think this or see it or was I imagining it. In short Was there a Joni on the Wall or not? Clive By the way I saw Jane Siberry at the Barbican the other night....fantastic - was I the only uk lister there? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:23:46 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 Thanks Lori, I finally was able to watch the film in it's entirety. Very interesting theories....I'll pass it on. rosie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:08:48 +0000 From: tinkersown@comcast.net Subject: Out of the past Hello all, After months of lurkdom, two items in the last digest cause me to drag out my concert database. Kakki wrote: >Also, I think it was Chris (CC Karma) here who has >posted that she used to sing at the old Nucleaus Nuance >club on Melrose in the 80s. It must have been a story in the LA Times that she often sang at the Bla Bla Cafe on Laurel Canyon in North Hoillywood that prompted me to drive up there in October '71. There was a singer named Rick Abao, but no Joni that night. And Les wrote: >A message has come across the website stating that Don Alias was >found dead in his home this morning. Can anyone confirm this? Sad news, if confirmed. Joni and Don were sitting nearby at the Bob Dylan concert at the Universal Amphitheatre 6/7/78 (I've told this story before) and I got to show them my LOTC geese pants. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:23:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: njc/ re: Top 10 Nice choices. I am also a fan of the Transfer circa Laurel Masse and with Cheryl Bentyne. Those three ladies (Masse, Bentyne and Janis Siegel) are an unbeatable team in close harmonies and ultra-fast scats. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Sally Stark "Loch Lomond" j m a icrit : 1, 2, 3, &4] The Manhattan Transfer 5] Bobby McFerrin 6] Joni Mitchell 7] Rikki Lee Jones 8] Al Jarreau 9] Joni Mitchell 10] Rikki Lee Jones If ya like Rikki and/or RoseAnn Cash, check out Tift Merrit & Kim Richey (Me and You is a cool tune) and of course there is Deana Carter, Toni Childs & do`nt forget George Benson, Minnie Ripperton, Phoebe Snow, Sade, ..... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:26:12 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Both Sides Now on DVD-A I don't know how many of you are into hi-res surround DVD-A but Both Sides Now is absolutely breathtaking when you are "inside" the mix. As far as I can tell it is the only Joni album available in true 24/96 5.1 surround. If your DVD player is DVD-A capable and you have the home theater speaker thing set up I highly recommend getting a copy. They cost the same as a full price CD, about $18. But I'm getting the idea on this list that Joni's "smoky" last albums are not well liked round here. My take on the smoking thread is that, although watching someone shorten their life by smoking is tragic, that very "tragic-ness" is conveyed in the singing voice and adds gravitas to a lyric like nothing else. Bonnie Raitt too would never have her sound without the whiskey and smokes all those pre-Grammy years. For my money Joni's voice is gorgeous on her last albums even though she sounds like a different singer than before. And BSN in surround is the way to hear it. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:32:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? seulbzzaj@aol.com a icrit : I don't agree with that at all. I think Joni's voice is more gorgeous and expressive than ever on BSN and Travelogue, and it kills me that she stopped recording when she did, as she reached a new plateau. I agree with this assessment as well. Although I like Joni's voice best during the "Mingus" period, she achieved a different level of authenticity with her nicotine-soaked voice. Some said it is ragged, broken, a shadow of its former self but for all its technical flaws, Joni's voice in BSN and T'log made me re-appreciate the standards (I thought her "Answer Me My Love" is a killer) and her songs ("Love" is lovely). It is a voice similar to late period Brigitte Fontaine whose half-speech, half-sung vocalization blew me pieces (I am still putting myself into its rightful places). Joseph in CH np: Susan Werner "If I Sang Like Cole Porter" - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:42:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Morph the Cat now Dianne Reeves NJC np - Good night and good luck soundtrack This is such a classy album. Gorgeous vocals, excellent key charts, choice selection of tunes, plus this elegantly sung original "Who's Minding the Store?". This is a Highly recommended jazz vocal album that won this year's Grammy for Best Jazz Vocal. Plus, (and I am sure Bob will agree) Dianne Reeves probably gave one of the most definitive versions of Joni's "River" (studio record and live). Personally I like the version of Janis Siegel better but with so many stellar versions, we have an embarrassment of riches. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Vanessa Williams "Long Way Home" - --------------------------------- Dicouvez le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger : appelez vers des tiliphones en France et ` partir de 0,012 /minute ! Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:52:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: njc, Both Sides Now of March Madness Thanks, Bob. I am number 319 among Ivory Latta fans in campus. ;-) Thanks for the link to the Duke Lacrosse team scandal. The lawyer defending the team came up with a statement last night that said that it was wrong for the Durham district attorney to incite the community to unfairly judge the boys before results of the DNA were released. He said "Think of them (boys) as your sons rather than hate them automatically." To which the DA replied something like "Think of the rape victim as your own daughter and see if you won't be appalled or outraged". Joseph in CH (who will be at Duke in a few hours to attend a lecture of Laura Mulvey -- hi Mike P.) np: Mike Germano "It doesnt matter how I try" Bob Muller a icrit : >Lovable does not even begin > to describe her. Looks like you get dibs on Ivory, Joseph. Patti the party pooper put the kibosh on my attempts to woo her...hot hot blazes to smoke and ash in 24 hours... As for the Duke incident, it is pretty horrific and doesn't do anything to elevate their perception in my eyes. If you're interested in reading the nitty gritty, all the documents can be found at one of my favorite sites (besides Joni Undercover, that is), the smoking gun: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0329061duke1.html Please keep me posted about you & Ivory. I'm content to live vicariously as it's pretty much all I do these days. Bob NP: The Supremes, "All I Want" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:05:49 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP In a message dated 3/31/2006 10:47:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, tinkersown@comcast.net writes: Sad news, if confirmed. Joni and Don were sitting nearby at the Bob Dylan concert at the Universal Amphitheatre 6/7/78 (I've told this story before) and I got to show them my LOTC geese pants. Unfortunately this news has been confirmed by Don's Official websites Administrator. You can post comments there if you wish. _www.donalias.com_ (http://www.donalias.com) I am deeply saddened by this news. I loved the Shadows & Light era, one of my favorite albums. Just listen to Don's solo following Black Crow on disc two.(hi Bob :~) A sad day and major loss indeed in the music/drummer's world. Despite Joni's perm, I thought she looked and sounded terrific during this tour. First Jaco, now Don....:~( I can't believe there has not been more response to this here and elsewhere. He had collaborated with some may of the great ones. rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Morph the Cat now Dianne Reeves NJC Yes, an original arrangement and her gorgeous wrapped around a powerhouse of a song like River - - unbeatable. Bob NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Taste The Pain" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:50:06 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Morph the Cat, now Diane Reeves Joseph wrote: >>np - Good night and good luck soundtrack This is such a classy album. Gorgeous vocals, excellent key charts, choice selection of tunes, plus this elegantly sung original "Who's Minding the Store?". This is a Highly recommended jazz vocal album that won this year's Grammy for Best Jazz Vocal. Plus, (and I am sure Bob will agree) Dianne Reeves probably gave one of the most definitive versions of Joni's "River" (studio record and live). Personally I like the version of Janis Siegel better but with so many stellar versions, we have an embarrassment of riches.<< Hi Joseph, I echo your comments and in fact I said (almost) as much in a post on March 17, although I didn't go into detail. In fact my 'now playing' that day was, and I quote (myself): "np - Diane Reeves - Good Night and Good Luck: this is sooooooooooo classy." mike in barcelona np John Renbourn - John Barleycorn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:02:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Don Alias Oh dear no!!! I'm so, so sorry to hear this! Thank you though Rose for sharing this with us. what a sad day indeed! Sherelle Rose wrote: Sadly, I think it is so. When you go to a webite _www.donalias.com_ (http://www.donalias.com) it shows a photograph of Don with these dates underneath 25 Dec 1939~28 Mar 2006 :~( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:11:56 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 hi >>>kate wrote (re shawn colvin) > I just have to chime in on this one (hi ron!)... when I first heard the > song > steady on it blew... me... away... just like I was when I first heard the > song I had a king & you know the rest for the first time... then there is > avalanche, orion, in the dead of the night & so so so so so many many > more... if anyone is deserving of wearing joni's crown it is imo, shawn > colvin... i dont have any of those songs - what albums are they on? ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:18:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Dianne Reeves Hi Joseph, I echo your comments and in fact I said (almost) as much in a post on March 17, although I didn't go into detail. In fact my 'now playing' that day was, and I quote (myself): "np  Diane Reeves  Good Night and Good Luck: this is sooooooooooo classy." Hi Mike -- Wow, we are thinking along similar lines most of the times. Serendipitous that we will use the same word "classy" to describe that album, and that artist. Or I may have subconsciouslyused your words to describe it just now. I also like Dianne Reeves' version of Joni's Both Sides Now from her "Quiet After the Storm" album. Very moving. Just her and the piano accompaniment of her cousin who is also the album's producer -- George Duke. - --------------------------------- Dicouvez le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger : appelez vers des tiliphones en France et ` partir de 0,012 /minute ! Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:27:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: copyright issues NJC Hi everyone, We were discussing copywright issues a few weeks back and I remembered Jerry writing about the importance of performance rights that should be built in in all forms of media that require public exhibition. So I thought some of you may be interested to check out the Duke Law project/initiative regarding documentary filmmaking/copyright issues. I am pasting the link below about this comic book that was written by a Law prof. Very very interesting. http://www.law.duke.edu/cspd/comics/ There are free downloadable versions here: http://www.law.duke.edu/cspd/comics/digital.html (PDF for printing) Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Renee Fleming -- arias from Rossini's "Armida" - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:32:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Top 10, no top 20 Cool, I maybe able to make a believer of you yet Ron!!! Steady On (her first studio album) & Fat City (her second studio album this time with Larry Klein as producer) are my favorite albums (her two live albums are great too but I'd get the two studio albums first)... Those first albums have the songs I've mentioned (plus other good ones like Diamond in the Rough & Poloroids. She got grammy for A Few Small Repairs which I thought was one or two albums late but maybe it was because of her song Sunny Came Home got a lot of airplay? Or you don't get a grammy for your first album? Dunno. Her last album A Whole New You was a whole lot of disappointment & her awesome trademark guitar playing was totally absent! However, rumor has it she's working on a new album & will be bringing back her guitar for that one due to popular demand. Anyway, if you have one shot at assessing her songwriting skills I'd recommend getting Steady On. If you like that one get Fat City next. Let me know what you think about Steady On!!!!!!!! >i dont have any of those songs - what albums are they on? Ron< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:00:48 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 hi kate >>>kate wrote > Her last album A Whole New You was a whole lot of disappointment & her > awesome trademark guitar playing was totally absent! > Anyway, if you have one shot at assessing her songwriting skills I'd > recommend getting Steady On. If you like that one get Fat City next. i have whole new you, cover girl, and holiday songs & lullabyes. ill definitely check out the ones you recomend. as i say - i think she is a superb singer - just somehow capable of more than ive heard so far. ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:57:59 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item From: "Nuriel Tobias" <<< What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) >>> I don't know about monetary value but I've had one of the original posters from "Hejira" framed and on the wall of any home I've had for many years, I don't know what I'd do without it. Friends and acquaintances who drop by identify me immediately as a Joni fan and I can't count how many people I've played Disc Jockey for because they weren't familiar with her work... many now fans themselves. I also avidly collect anything remotely Joni and showed off some of my collection in 2000 at the Townsend mini-fest in Michigan. I desperately want a pair of tin ears from Turbulent Indigo but alas it doesn't seem in the cards. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:02:09 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item Speaking of the Townsend in 2000, I forgot to mention my BSN limited, autographed lithographs which are still sitting in tubes I've never opened. I bought the portraits, front and back view of Joni smoking at the "No Smoking" bar. Warmly, Cassy NP: Nucleus - Alan Parson's Project ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:19:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Top 10, no top 20 Great! A whole new you is her low point imo. (I don't have the holiday songs- the only one I don't have) & cover girl is great but she's doing covers so you don't hear her own songwriting skills which imo are considerable... >i have whole new you, cover girl, and holiday songs & lullabyes. ill definitely check out the ones you recomend. as i say - i think she is a superb singer - just somehow capable of more than ive heard so far. Ron< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:23:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/31/2006 10:47:22 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > tinkersown@comcast.net writes: > > Sad news, if confirmed. Joni and Don were sitting > nearby at the Bob > Dylan concert at the Universal Amphitheatre 6/7/78 > (I've told this > story before) and I got to show them my LOTC geese > pants. > > > > Unfortunately this news has been confirmed by Don's > Official websites > Administrator. You can post comments there if you > wish. _www.donalias.com_ > (http://www.donalias.com) > I am deeply saddened by this news. I loved the > Shadows & Light era, one of > my favorite albums. Just listen to Don's solo > following Black Crow on disc > two.(hi Bob :~) A sad day and major loss indeed in > the music/drummer's world. > Despite Joni's perm, I thought she looked and > sounded terrific during this > tour. First Jaco, now Don....:~( I can't believe > there has not been more > response to this here and elsewhere. He had > collaborated with some may of the great > ones. > I add my expression of disappointment in this not being bigger news. Maybe Don's name isn't well known in the big world, but what about the jazz world, and the drums-and-percussion world? It's thanks to musicians like Jaco P and Don Alias (and I guess it goes back to Joni), that I started paying more attention to bass and drums/percussion. Before that, bass and drums were background noise to me. But both Jaco and Don were so superb at what they did, that they made you take notice. I'm also disappointed that Don's own website doesn't say anything beyond posting a picture, his name and birth and death dates, after which there's a form to submit. I would hope there would be more about him and his life, but there's nothing. Maybe the website is run by a fan or family member, so there aren't any big bucks to do more, and that will come later. I did a google search yesterday and the only sites that I found that had info about his death (and all they had was the date) were his own site and wikipedia (who had little more, but wikipedia is edited by anyone, so what do you expect?) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:37:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: shawn njc I was wrong! Shawn did earn a grammy for her first album (best contemporary folk) before the two she got for a few small repairs. nice paragraph about learning from joni in her bio at www.shawncolvin.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP I LOVE S&L, the album and the video - I can watch it again and again and never tire of it. Joni looks so damn sexy, and for that matter so does Don, very Omar Shariff/worldly handsome. They had a little fling, did they not? And of course she name-checks him in the live version of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat". And imo she's never had a better band - I think the high quality of these players pushed her to go above her own high bar. RIP, Don - peace to your family and loved ones, and thanks for your contributions to our world and to the one we live in. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Hurricane" - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:25:47 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) Bob Muller wrote: And imo she's never had a better > band - I think the high quality of these players > pushed her to go above her own high bar. Agreed. Don also played on Miles Davis's "Bitches Brew". I know nothing about the person, but he was a great talent. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Loori's video NJC + Laurent's peace hey you two, just wanted to chime in and say I watched BOTH videos...provocative and powerful. Mags let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ I'll keep on moving Things are bound to be improving these days These days- These days I sit on corner stones And count the time in quarter tones to ten, my friend Don't confront me with my failures I had not forgotten them ~jackson browne~ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:08:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: shawn njc Kate wrote: > I was wrong! Shawn did earn a grammy for her first album (best contemporary > folk) before the two she got for a few small repairs. nice paragraph about > learning from joni in her bio at www.shawncolvin.com I haven't really been keeping up with the Top 10/20 thread, but I did think about starting my own response, and Shawn would definitely be in my list. "Steady On" is a brilliant album. It wasn't the title track that hooked me back in 1990, though (even though it was played on the radio a lot). It was "Diamond In The Rough," which happened to be playing on VH1 one day. It stopped me dead in my tracks across the living room. That doesn't happen to me very often. I've been a fan of Shawn ever since, and have seen her in concert 3 times (once from the front row, center, in Austin at the end of (I think) her "Cover Girl" tour). I agree that "Fat City" is Shawn's next best album, but I disagree with those who think "Whole New You" is a poor effort. Yes, her style on WNY is different from her previous albums, but there are songs on that album that are absolutely haunting, particularly "Another Plane Went Down," which for some reason I can play on continuous loop for a very long time. And can you fault these lyrics, which (imo) hit a certain nail squarely on its head? I've been thinking About you and me Maybe I was just Seeing what I wanted to see You can call me crazy But you know this time I swore That I wouldn't run But I can't do that anymore I can't find a way to stay And I can't see my way to go But I can't give up without a fight. I can pack myself up in a matter of minutes, Leave you all far behind All of my old world and all the things in it are hard to find If they ever were mine You've been trying And I know it's been hard And I'm afraid of All this blood in my heart If there's one thing certain It's there ain't nothing for sure And I want to run But I can't do that anymore I can't meet you half way And I can't have it my way And I can't give up without a fight I can pack myself up in a matter of minutes, Leave you all far behind And all of my old world and all the things in it are hard to find All of my old world and all the things in it are hard to find Like they ever were mine I could count the good times we had On one hand All the rest was A sort of means to the end Well not it's done And I can never Go back to where I was before And I wanna run... I can get myself clean in a matter of minutes And get it wrong every time All of my whole world and all the things in it are hard to, hard to find Everything change in a matter of minutes And nothing was saved in time All of my old world and all the things in it are hard to find But they never never never were mine "Matter Of Minutes" by Shawn Colvin & John Leventhal Just my 2 cents, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:09:25 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Loori's video NJC + Laurent's peace > hey you two, just wanted to chime in and say I watched BOTH videos...provocative > and powerful. You da bomb, Mags. (But you know that.) : ) Loori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:12:25 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) You have to see this -- about 9/11 Kate wrote: > no lori, be patient it is just making the rounds & takes time to download & > watch (& watch again) because there is just so much dang information to keep > up with!!! True, and I'll try to be more patient. I just worry that people just don't want to know or think about anything that might TRULY upset their world. And we really can't afford to ignore this. Rose wrote: > Thanks Lori, I finally was able to watch the film in it's entirety. Very interesting > theories....I'll pass it on. Thanks, Rose!! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:24:30 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Don Alias - brief bio Don Alias attended Gannan College studying medicine and later went to Boston to study biochemistry. During this time he met Tony Williams and Chick Corea and played bass in a Latin jazz group with Tony, Chick and congero Bill Fitch. His first professional engagement was with the Eartha Kitt dance troupe performing with the Dizzy Gillespie Big Band of 1957. He learned most of his craft on the streets of New York associating with other percussionists who studied Afro-Cuban drumming. Don joined Nina Simone and became the Musical Director during the last of his three years with her group. In the band was bassist Gene Perla who he later went on with to co-lead the group Stone Alliance. His association with Miles Davis came during the "Bitches Brew" 1969-70 period. After making this historic recording, he went on the road with Miles for a year. During his long and varied career, Don has enjoyed stints playing trap drums with Blood, Sweat & Tears and Mongo Santamaria, and as a percussionist with Joni Mitchell, Sting and all of Jaco Pastorious' live recordings. Presently, he is re-instituting his group Stone Alliance. In the past, Stone Alliance has toured South America, Europe, and the U.S. and have 4 albums to their credit. The current members of the power trio are Don, drums and percussion, Gene Perla, electric bass, and Mitch Stein, electric guitar. - --------------- Don's gone, but he's never to be forgotten... - -Julius NP: Miles Davis/Don Alias - "Bitches Brew" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #120 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------