From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #111 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 26 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 111 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Next Jonifest [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Linda Ronstadt/Neil Young/Slight Joni Content [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Jonatha Brooke [Patti Witten ] Re: njc, NCAA, Melissa, and a little Joni [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Linda Ronstadt/Neil Young/Slight Joni Content [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: 1983 Wembley DVD [Bob Muller ] Re: njc, NCAA, Blue Huskies Win! [Bob Muller ] Walk the Joni [Dave Blackburn ] Re: The Next Jonifest NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Walk the Joni [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: njc, NCAA, Blue Huskies Win! [Dflahm@aol.com] volume 75 cover art ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Walk the Joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: volume 75 cover art [Bob Muller ] Re: Neil Young/Slight Joni Content/ now Marty Stuart [Bruce Eggleston ] A Sarsaparilla Saturday [Peep Richman ] Re: Neil Young/Slight Joni Content/ now Marty Stuart [Em ] Joni/Tracy Chapman on PBS TV - SF Bay Area [JRMCo1@aol.com] njc marianne ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: njc, NCAA: Go Longhorns! ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: The meaning of the name Joan [Smurf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:24:48 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: The Next Jonifest Hello to all the JoniListas north and south of the equator. These Jonifests sound like fun. Have there ever been any Jonifests in the Southern Hemisphere? If one was held in Australia, how many from the Northern Hemisphere would come? For that matter, I'm curious how many locals would come too. I'd love to host one. I have a friend who has a large block of land in the Southern Highlands of NSW which might be ideal for an outdoor Jonifest. You know, campfire, the whole bit. On the news tonight was the first successful flight test of the scramjet. They say it could make a trip from Sydney to London just two hours long. That would be about 1.5 hours to California. Now if we could just bring the cost down too. Mark in Sydney NP Night of The Hunters Moon - Sally Oldfield. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:28:57 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Linda Ronstadt/Neil Young/Slight Joni Content Hi Julius. I love that quote from Judy Collins. The photograph you mentioned is the basis for my latest Joni wallpaper. Joni and Judy are sitting in what looks like a treehouse and Joni is playing guitar while Judy looks on. I used it for my wallpaper, Ladies of The Canyon. I thought it was apt. Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:31:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Nuri's JMDL Men Beauty Chart:) Have you noticed how much beauty we share among us? In case you have'nt, here's a list of some of the most charming men i found on the jmdl gallery with links to their photos, and may God, the angels, and all of you forgive me, hehe and amen:) : Joe Gavrilovich: Though i would shave Joe a bit beneath his ears, how can anyone resist his angelic beautyful eyes, crowned with a lovely set of eye-lashes, and screaming passion. Olive coloured skin and lips that owe you a kiss...:) http://www.jonimitchell.com/gallery/profilesnew.cfm?CurrentPage=7 Laurent: Laurent is probably what everybody was dreaming about at the French Jonifest. A fine combination of French and Jewish genes, and a bitter sweet stare that burns inside your eyes. Laurent, you're hot. http://www.jonimitchell.com/gallery/profilesnew.cfm?CurrentPage=13 Tjinn: Out of a wet perfume commercial and into real life, Tjinn is everything you need in a man. A masterpiece of a guy. http://www.jonimitchell.com/gallery/profilesnew.cfm?CurrentPage=16 jouni: The fact that jouni has the most shy pair of eyes only makes it better. Not his best pic, but none the less makes you sigh in joy. Simply pretty. http://www.jonimitchell.com/gallery/profilesnew.cfm?CurrentPage=35 Jason Luckett: Just the sort of guy you'd love to spend a summer with on an island. Natural look, perfect smile, Jason is so cool you just want to give him a big big hug. http://jonimitchell.com/gallery/profilesnew.cfm?CurrentPage=37 C.A. Thompson-Briggs: Confused? Don't be. C.A. is beautyful, beautiful, beautyful. http://jonimitchell.com/gallery/profilesnew.cfm?CurrentPage=46 And my favourite: Will Hornsby: Will is a childlike catboy with a naughty look and almost girlish beauty. Several years from now he's going to be a very sexy dude. I'm a sucker for big noses too...:) http://jonimitchell.com/gallery/profilesnew.cfm Now THIS should raise some lurkers from the dead, don't ya think?:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:00:31 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke Dave Blackburn wrote: > I don't know how many of you know Jonatha Brooke but she is in so > many ways the true heiress to Joni's throne (big words I realize). Hi Dave, I'm a big Jonatha fan, for years, back to her days as a duo, The Story, with Jennifer Kimball. http://jonathabrooke.com Many here already know about her great guitar skills, including lots of alt-tunings. See her website for more. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:55:04 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, NCAA, Melissa, and a little Joni Patti P. writes: > P.S. GO HUSKIES -- the BLUE ones, that is! (Wink and a smile, Mike Hood!) > > And good luck to Mack and Jimmy and anyone else who has a team they love. > Thanks Patti, and congrats to the "Blue" Huskies too! I'm so happy that the Gators made it to the Elite Eight, even though before I went to college, Georgetown was, and still is one of my favorite basketball teams. These games have been great, and I'm proud for the Cinderella team "George Mason" for going so far. I've been pretty busy this week, so haven't got to read or respond to most of the posts about Melissa Manchester, but just want to chime in and say how much I.love her too. Back in college, I got to see her three times at UF at a small venue. My girlfriend and I (yes, I once had a girlfriend) LOVED Melissa. We always got 5th row seats. and she did such a wonderful concert. Until Joni, Melissa was my favorite singer. "Come in from the Rain" was my favorite song. I still have one of her song books, which helped me learn how to play the piano (VERY BASIC) .I only had her albums, which I gave away, but I'd like to replace. Now that you guys have brought back some sweet memories, I'm gonna do that, so Mike in BCN, you do have to get a Melissa CD! Nuri, as far as your "Walk the line" post and a movie about Joni...........I don't think it will ever happen. You can mention Johnny Cash to anyone in the USA and they know who he is, but as far as Joni, (as much as I love her) so many of my friends and acquaintances barely know who she is. Joni is special, but still not recognized as being a great songwriter... etc. amongst the general public .Even though she's had many tributes and accolades, she's not someone that the "Average Joe" knows about.......and maybe that's cool for her, but you can mention Johnny Cash, and EVERYONE knows who he is. And Kakki, I didn't see the TV show about Joni's "best friend" Val on TV, but I've met Val before. Why would they have to put him on a reality show to help him with his physical needs, when Joni or their friend Angelica Houston could certainly afford to help Val out with the operation without this reality show bullshit? As a closing note, I'd also like to put Gloria Estevan as NOT a Diva, but someone who is wonderful singer, She's someone who has helped out with charities with love in South Florida. Now back to sleep, since I was so excited about the games last night. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc > tree trips are the best kind Yes, but it's difficult and dangerous to light the damn things. Bob NP: JT, "Highway Song" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:52:47 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Linda Ronstadt/Neil Young/Slight Joni Content Thank you, Mark. I'm looking forward to seeing this photo/wallpaper. Can you provide a link? Thanks again. - -Julius In a message dated 3/25/06 1:30:43 AM, mark-leon@iinet.net.au writes: > Hi Julius. I love that quote from Judy Collins. The photograph you > mentioned is the basis for my latest Joni wallpaper. Joni and Judy are > sitting in what looks like a treehouse and Joni is playing guitar while > Judy looks on. I used it for my wallpaper, Ladies of The Canyon. I > thought it was apt. > > Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: 1983 Wembley DVD Cassy, this was part of a promotional video for WTRF and (I assume) the world tour that followed. Filmed 2/20/83 at A&M Studios in Hollywood. http://www.jonimitchell.com/chronology/details.cfm?id=1506 Bob NP: Dead Kennedys, "Ill In The Head" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, NCAA, Blue Huskies Win! Hey, congrats to you on the win, Patti (Mrs. SCJ says that y'all played poorly and didn't really deserve the win, but she was pulling for you and was glad that you had luck on your side). Congrats too to Mack & Jimmy - Mack, your Longhorns have their work cut out for them tonight against LSU, that's fer sher. They're playing like a team of destiny. Patti, you also commented: I wasn't watching the games and didn't see the commercials, but I assume the Army would target the March Madness games as many college kids are watching - as you know, the courts recently ruled that college campuses CANNOT prohibit recruiters from coming on campus as long as they are accepting Federal funds (and even the best-funded colleges do). Last semester Nathan signed up for a "Military History" course at Wofford as an elective (he digs history, unlike his Papa) and was surprised when part of the course included calisthenics twice a week! I made a phone call and discovered that the course was not being taught by a professor but rather by an army recruiter. I was so f*cking hot with anger I couldn't see straight. Needless to say, Nato dropped the course the next day (his decision, not mine) - I haven't put in 19 years of blood, sweat and tears just so Bush & co. can have one more able body for their f*cking meat grinder. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Black Friday" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:14:44 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Walk the Joni Isn't that what every Joni album has been? About as thorough an exploration of a life and times as I ever read... On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:20:27 -0500 > From: "Marianne Rizzo" > Subject: Walk the Joni > > I hoped that she can at least try to write much of it down. like > an auto > biograhy > > . . . Her life. > > I have often thought/ hoped that she would write her thoughts down. . > > > it is a lot to write a chronology. . > > it would be good enough (and important) to have her write her > thoughts > down. . > > > I am thinking of her sharing some of her journal. > > that kind of thing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Next Jonifest NJC I would love to get there one day, Mark. Won't be anytime soon, most likely, unless I can snag a really good deal on travel. Hell's been to several US fests which I think is pretty amazing. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Lip Service" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:23:53 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Walk the Joni Do we know whether JM keeps (kept?) a journal? "Isn't that what every Joni album has been? About as thorough an exploration of a life and times as I ever read..." This comment (which I'd echo) suggests that she HAS been sharing the kinds of personal expression which other people confine to a private journal. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:27:13 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, NCAA, Blue Huskies Win! In a message dated 3/25/2006 10:19:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: Part of the "No Child Left Behind" bill gives the feds access to college grades What the hell do COLLEGE grades have to do with NCLB? This is more and more shocking and it's only 10:25 am. I'm almost afraid to read what you'll tell (head-in-the-clouds) me next. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:10:52 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: volume 75 cover art jonibob, I just got the volume 75 covers in the mail and I love the art on the cd cover. It is a painting (maybe watercolor) of joni in purple and brown tones. . with a 7 up sign behind her and a car in the distance and a street. . I see the hint of a liquor store sign. you all might want to see this if you have not already. Who did this picture What can you tell me about it? I must have missed this along the way. XO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:19:59 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Walk the Joni yes, I think you do have that right From: Dave Blackburn Isn't that what every Joni album has been? About as thorough an exploration of a life and times as I ever read... _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: volume 75 cover art It was an artist who was selling the painting on ebay, Marianne. I thought it was unique and was an interesting "candid" of Joni as opposed to her playing or singing or posing. Just Joni on the street. Hope this link works in case anyone is interested in seeing it: http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8310402698.jpg&s=x10 Bob NP: Genesis, "Behind The Lines" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:09 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Neil Young/Slight Joni Content/ now Marty Stuart Say Hey all you Jonilistas! I haven't contributed much to this list as I'm busy dragging my feet to slow the circles down. So many good topics go through here that it is difficult to choose the thread to follow. The Laurel Canyon movie idea is a great one, or could be in the right hands. I'd be satisfied with a detailed documentary like the recent one on Dylan by Scorcese. I see distinct parallels between Laurel Canyon in the '60s and the Left Bank of Paris in the teens. These two scenes happen to be the most influential in my life along with the whole Greenwich Village and New York arts scenes in the '60s. Oh, to have been in the Chelsea Hotel in 1963! I could write a book on the three cultural nexes of my life, so I'll stop here. [Joni may have written "Chelsea Morning" and "Free Man In Paris" while living in Laurel Canyon, coincidence, methinks not, al least as far as my focus on these scenes is concerned. This kind of weaving of times and places could provide a frame tale to such a movie. Scene: Joni thinking of Hemingway and Gertrude Stein on the Left Bank, while writing Chelsea Morning, then sending demo 45rpm to Judy Collins in the Village. Please don't knock me on the veracity of time and place, because it doesn't matter in the movies.] The quest for close encounter with Neil Young: It was so long ago that it seems like a dream now. In July 1968 I drove with my friend and his family from Salt Lake to Banff, Canada, in a big Chev pickup with a huge camper on the back. The end of our travels landed use in Banff for a day or so. That evening, my friend, Greg Salmon (may he RIP), and I went a strolling through the downtown of this very lovely city. There on the steps of some sort of church [Romanesque style stone structure] was a young fellow dressed in a black leather outfit with a black leather cape. He had long black hair and was playing an acoustic guitar and singing for free. I have no idea who he was, but he put on a fine show of songs that seemed somewhat familiar, but I couldn't identify any of them. After we returned home to Salt Lake we read that Neil had taken a sabbatical to Canada to get his head straight. This was between Buffalo Springfield and CSNY. I always like to think that it was Neil we saw on the church steps in Banff, but at this point only he would know. I love the man and consider him to be my mentor in life. I was somewhat surprised to that in an interview about eight years ago Emmylou Harris named Neil as her favorite songwriter of all time. She is such a student and scholar of songwriting, and has covered songs by many of the great writers, that I thought she might have said Hank Williams, or Lennon/McCartney or Harold Harlan, or Bob Dylan, but she said Neil. I loved her ever so much more for it. As for Marty Stuart, a former member of Emmylou's Hot Band, and Bill Monroe's band as a child, my respect for him rises with every album release. The first of his albums that I bought was "The Pilgrim" from 2000, largely because it featured Emmylou Harris. It is certainly one of the best albums of this decade. It is an opera or concept album as you prefer, and hangs together well from all aspects of musicianship, composition, performance, mixing et al. It is a masterpiece, and includes Johnny Cash as the voice of God, or God as the voice of Johnny Cash, it works both ways. Marty is one fine guitar (mandolin, fiddle, anything with strings) picker, and I would love him if he only did that. He's a Telecaster Master and that counts for a whole lot in my book. But Mr. Stuart is the complete artist as a writer, singer, player and performer. And he is the humble husband of Ms. Connie Smith, who is a great country singer in her own right. His last three albums with the Fabulous Superlatives have all been great as well. Do yourselves a favor and get to know Mr. Stuart's music. It is country, gospel, bluegrass, and some hard rockin' blues in between, or to say Americana at its finest. Bonneville Bruce Sunnyslope, Idaho > ah ok! I'm almost dissapointed, lol, cuz that little factoid would have > blown me away. > I have a couple of Marty's solo CD's, he's really neat. > :) > Em > > - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 3/24/06 12:08:43 PM, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: >> >>> Hi Julius, I've been enjoying your reports. One question tho: are >> you >>> sure Marty Stuart was in Bufflao Springfield??? for real? must have >>> been some later incarnation of the band, maybe? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:30:48 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The meaning of the name Joan Cool, I didn't know that. Now I will have to figure out how Joan Rivers fits in. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" > Did you know that the name Joan is an English form of Johanne, an Old > French feminine form of Johannes, which was the Latin form of the Greek > name Iyammgr (Ioannes), itself derived from the Hebrew name Yochanan > meaning "gifted by God"? > > Hebrew rules, yes!:) > > Love, > > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:06:13 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: A Sarsaparilla Saturday Hello Joni-people!!! Isn't an absolute delight when you havea "Jones" for something and you look (just in case) in the fridge, and THERE IT IS!!!!!! I just wanted a root-beer...a diet one at that...and THERE it was!!!...hiding on a shelf, waaaayyyy in the back. and that 'find' inspired me to take everything out of the fridge, clean every inch 'till it shined, then returning the contents so when you open the fridge it looks so inviting. (Yeah, so?????).I just finished reading today's Digest and saw that Jonatha was mentioned. In 1993 I picked up a CD titled "the Angel in the House" by the Story....hooked ever since. Sad when Jonatha and Jennifer went their separate ways...have three CD's by Jonatha Brooke, but haven't heard if Jennifer struck out on her own. Along with the continuing discoveries of what happens when a 20 year relationship suddenly ends...I now know I have one of the two (I think) CD's of The Story. But material things, as they say, can always be replaced. I really enjoy the harmony Jonatha and Jennifer struck up...but I was extremely interested in Jonatha's lyrics....as I am with Suzanne Vega's lyrics. Talent is simply, as I experience it, an enigma. For me, I can read the lyrics written by, for example, Suzanne and Jonatha, and say...well, there's obvious talent here...put to music, there's much more talent evidenced....but when I actually read the lyrics, I finish, always wondering,,,,what is that intangible thing....call it genius, because genius separates the intangibility from talent to genius. And so far, for me, Joni is a genius...the rest, somewhat talented, more for some than others. Then I think about the role of the listener...the human being who so completely appreciates the genius...the talent of another human....and then I think about how it feels to have no talent at all...not even a small flair. That's me. But I am blessed, I remind myself, with whatever it is between my ears, that allows me to appreciate...to believe I may have some remote understanding of what the genius is saying.....and a thankfulness that I find personal meaning and a lot of solace in the magic of the written word, most especially put to music. There simply will never be another Joni Mitchell....not to say she hasn't inspired the artistic expressions of many musicians, singers, and lyricists. That's a wonderful sharing....to have the ability to inspire another person....to give them the courage to TRY. There is only ONE Joni Mitchell...as there is only one Vincent van Gogh. Many have said that Joni is inspired by Vincent Van Gogh...but she goes much further with her inspiration. She has the ethereal ability...the GENIUS...of taking an inspiration to another dimension by TRANSLATING the inspiration and making it into her own, UNIQUE, artistic expression and communication. I will be eternally grateful that Joni Mitchell chose to share with us, during her lifetime, her genius. Personally, I think this has been and remains Joni's personal decision...to share her multiple talents...her body of work...with all human beings during the time she is alive. I believe she has been in the position, after making this decision, to sacrifice many, many parts of her life. We, therefore, are so completely honored by her generosity....nope..I am completely thankful for her generosity. I cannot conceive of 'never' hearing a brand new Joni CD....written in the same year it's released. I lived, at many points in my life, from one release by Joni...learning it, loving it, interpreting it, but also in the magical air of anticipation of the NEXT release. Have no clue where these thoughts came from or why they sprang forth...but, here you are...me on a Saturday afternoon. Much caring for you...to you. Bo.... Ah...a PS: my personal project of reading every book that makes reference, and is listed on the incredible new website. Went to the library...a NEW one since I moved last September, and brought with me a reasonable list...a Joni list. I am a reader... an inter-generational reader at that....just have to share with you that my grandmother, who will turn 103 years old on August 26TH, read one book a day for years and years and years until she was 99 years old. An interesting aside...at least for me. My grandmom became enraged with me if I brought her a book with a "cuss word" ("cuss"??? Hey where did that come from?)...in it. "Oh my goodness!!!! You probably think I read (and censor) the seven books a week I bring!" ("Well???? Don't you?")....weird family. I negotiated with Lilly that I would bring her 14 books a week. Should she discover a "cuss" word in one of them, she should simply set the filthy thing aside and begin a new book. BTW, as she approached the end of her 99TH year, I made a huge request...."Please, just one time in your life, say...'shit'. She looked at me,without any particular expression, and said, "Fucking shit! How's that, wise-ass?" She's a gem...and an original!!!!! Trust me! But back to my list...I listed 8 books and found two...ready to reserve the other 6...but HAD TO HAVE about 9 others. I'm in the middle of "The Good People Of New York" by Thisbe Nissen. Well written....feels like a "chick" book.... (please...no offense intended) and it's clear that Thisbe may well love Joni....as you read it you just can tell. - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Neil Young/Slight Joni Content/ now Marty Stuart I LOVE your post!!!!!!!!! :D the whole thing! and speaking of Telecaster masters, I hear that Buck Owens has passed away. Thinking of him in relation to the Bakersfield sound or what I *think* I think that to be. Actually I don't know that I've seen him with a Tele, but I associate him with that sound. I guess he will mostly be remembered for HeeHaw (arghhhhhh) but now I feel driven to investigate more closely. My first real knowledge of Marty was in the mid 80's - his Hillbilly Rock CD, (I think thats the name of it) - he was kinda riding that Americana wave that included Robert Earl Keen, Steve Earl and bands like the Subdudes. I didn't know that EmmyLou considers Neil Y. her fave songwriter! Thats HUGE! Em - --- Bruce Eggleston wrote: > Say Hey all you Jonilistas! > > I haven't contributed much to this list as I'm busy dragging my feet > to slow > the circles down. So many good topics go through here that it is > difficult > to choose the thread to follow. > > The Laurel Canyon movie idea is a great one, or could be in the right > hands. > I'd be satisfied with a detailed documentary like the recent one on > Dylan by > Scorcese. ..snip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:42:35 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Linda Ronstadt/Neil Young/Slight Joni Content - njc "Wanting to meet an artist because you like her songwriting is a bit like wanting to meet a duck because you like foie gras..." -Judy Collins I've been pondering over this quote, and for some reason, the analogy seems quite senseless to me. Because if I really liked foie gras, I wouldn't want to meet a duck, but I would like to meet and shake the hand of the chef who created a good recipe for it. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:45:33 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Linda Ronstadt/Neil Young/Slight Joni Content - njc Point well taken, Mia. The quote is open to some interpretation, I agree. But I liken the quote to the expression "you've got to break an egg to make an omelet." In other words, one must kill the duck in order to benefit from what one likes about it, I guess. I was intrigued by the quote because it provokes some thought about the songwriter/admirer relationship from Judy's perspective. It doesn't necessarily encapsulate my own feeling about same. Thanks for you thoughts though, as ever. - -Julius In a message dated 3/25/06 12:01:46 PM, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: > "Wanting to meet an artist because you like her songwriting is a bit like > wanting to meet a duck because you like foie gras..." -Judy Collins > > I've been pondering over this quote, and for some reason, the analogy seems > quite senseless to me. Because if I really liked foie gras, I wouldn't want > to meet a duck, but I would like to meet and shake the hand of the chef who > created a good recipe for it. > > Mia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:07:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: An All-Star Tribute to Johnny Cash njc on PBS channel 21...at least on my cable carrier March 26: 1:00AM est March 28: 3:00AM A musical tribute to the singer and his work, with performers Sheryl Crow, Bob Dylan, Rosanne Cash, Emmylou Harris, Kris Kristofferson, Lyle Lovett, Willie Nelson, Bruce Springsteen, U2, Trisha Yearwood. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:40:52 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, NCAA: Go Longhorns! Hi Mack! I'm sending you my best basketball vibes from Huskyville just at this moment of the world! Go Longhorns! I'm still recovering from last night's madness. We tied it up with 1.8 seconds left in regulation and then went on to win in a crazy OT. My heart and mind can't take it....that dizzy dancing way you feel when every hoop fairy tale comes real! Dog ate dog and BLUE won. Merci buckets (buckets, hoops...get it?) to all who wrote w/ congratulations. I'll reply later...having a busy day here. This is so much fun when my JMOCD intersects with March Madness. I love cheering for everyone else's teams, and having you cheer for mine. Julius, congrats on your Stanford women! Our women play tomorrow at 9:30, and our men at 2:40. Jimmy, how you holdin' up, babe? And dear lurker in WV, I'm sorry you lost. And Vince, who are you rooting for now? Who's your Canadian money on, Catherine? (I'm sorry, so sorry......lol! Don't worry...this will all be over April 3rd.) All in good fun, w/ kisses like bright Husky flags hung out on holidays, Patti P., totally JMOCDed and Huskymaniaed out -- my analyst told me! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:28:04 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni/Tracy Chapman on PBS TV - SF Bay Area Hi Ya'll. In checking my local listings I found out that there's a cool double-header on local PBS TV on KQED: "Austin City Limits: Tracy Chapman" at 11:00 p.m., and then "American Masters - Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind" at Midnight. I'm posting an online interview with WOHAM director Susan Lacy, which I've just read to get me psyched for another viewing of this very nicely done Joni film biography/documentary below. Interesting, I think. I've also clipped the description of Tracy's Austin City Limits episode below the above, fyi. Happy weekend all. - -Julius American Masters Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind Web Interview with Susan Lacy 1) How did you find your way through capturing such a complex person as Joni Mitchell? SL: First, let me say that I hope I did capture her complexity. I certainly tried to. I don't think any single film could capture every aspect of her life and work, so the first challenge was to decide what I wanted the heart of the film to be. We know about Joni Mitchell and care about knowing more about her because she has created an extraordinary body of work of great meaning to a lot of people, so I felt strongly that the work itself should be the centerpiece of the film. The idea was to structure the film like a song cycle, using the songs to illustrate chapters and themes in her life. This decision ultimately determined the shape of the film. I also wanted to have complete, or close to complete performances wherever possible. You'd be surprised, by the way, how often portraits of great artists are about everything but the work and degenerate instead into trivia and gossip. I thought Joni Mitchell deserved a program which captured her greatness as an artist and which spoke to her enduring importance and legacy. I believe strongly that the structure, shape and approach to each American Masters film should be as individual as the artists we profile and, in general, evoke an overall impression compatible with the spirit and technique of the artist's own work. Because Joni is a poet and composer whose songs draw on her own life to a large degree, whose imagery and chordal structures are impressionistic and whose work represents a musical and thematic journey, I tried to bring those elements to the filmb& poetry, impressionistic images, lyricism and story telling through music. The songs and lyrics are carefully chosen for this purpose. The narrative elements which were left out of the film are those things which didn't relate specifically to her musical and artistic journey. 2) What other challenges did you face in making the film? SL: A major challenge was that there was practically no existing footage of Joni doing anything other than performing. She was not someone who held press conferences or had camera crews following her around over the years. She has always been intensely private and uncomfortable with that kind of attention. We thanked our lucky stars when we found Simon Montgomery (a major Joni collector) and a few other collectors who miraculously had VHS copies of home-movie footage of the Laurel Canyon scene and other bits of "life with Joni" filmed by Graham Nash during their time together. Even Graham didn't have the masters of this remarkable footage and neither he nor Joni had seen any of it in over 30 years. But, with few exceptions, Joni's life, and thus her music, is very internal. She held strong political views, but did not actively engage with the political and social world stage. This could have resulted in a pretty claustrophobic film, but for the beauty of the performances and the amazing range of photographic images we had to work with. Selecting the performance material was great fun, but also challenging. Sound was often a problem. When the sound from a performance wasn't good enough, I would opt not to use it and instead use the song from the CD without the performance. I wanted, first and foremost, for the film to be a musical, so it was quite a juggling act. Fortunately, there were quite a lot of truly beautiful performances. 3) How did you find the material for the film? SL: Through digging, lots of hard work and a refusal to give up. The depth of research we did for this film is remarkable. There is not a piece of concert footage or audio/video interview that we didn't look at. Joel Bernstein, who has probably taken more photographs of Joni over the last 35 years than any other photographer, was extremely helpful in pointing us to collectors and other photographers. He wasn't familiar with the concert material, but knew when and where Joni performed and whether or not cameras may have been there. We miraculously found the masters of original BBC concert material which even the BBC had lost, because I refused to believe that the one and only time Joni performed "Blue" was forever lost! Perseverance paid off in this case. 4) I heard you play and sing Joni Mitchell's piano songs. What has playing her music taught you about it? SL: I have great respect for the complexity of her melody, harmony, chord structure, chord changes, the amazing range of her voice and a great appreciation for her poetry. 5) Tell us about your personal connection to Joni - was she a big influence in your own life? SL: In my teens, 20's and even into my 30's when I was disturbed or needed to reflect on things, I would sit at the piano and play Joni Mitchell songs. When I had children, my favorite song to sing with them was "Circle Game," which they learned from the time they could sit up. I loved her music then and still do. Her songs were a touchstone to my own experiences and emotions. I grew up listening to Joni Mitchell - going from my teenage years into adulthood. I saw her as the free spirit we all wanted to be. She represented an incredibly interesting mix of mysticism, beauty, talent, and femininity but, with a backbone of steel. She was doing it her way. Wouldn't we all like to be like that? 6) What did you learn about Joni you didn't already know? SL: I was surprised to find out how funny she is. She has an acerbic wit and is an extraordinary raconteur. Joni should do a one-woman show where she just talks and tells her long stories. I didn't know Joni was entirely self-taught. She never had a music or composition lesson. She learned to play the guitar from a Pete Seeger "how-to" record! I also learned a great deal about Joni's use of open tunings. These open tunings revolutionized the guitar - it is the equivalent of getting inside a piano and re-stringing itb& it was like she created a whole new instrument. I hadn't realized her influence in this regard. 7) Why will Joni be remembered as one of the greats? SL: I feel a strong connection to, and admiration for, any artist who refuses to rest on their laurels and repeat themselves because they know it will sell. It takes incredible courage to be that kind of artist. Joni put herself out there not knowing how her new work would be received, and she took the blows that came with it. Joni is one of those rare people who will put herself in the line of fire. The reason she is so admired by every living musician- across the genres - is that she was always involved in music for the art of it and took what went with that conviction - the good and the bad. As one of our interviewees, Tom Manoff says in the film, "She would not be marketed." She made some hard and courageous decisions. Very few artists have done that. Her fearlessness did have its consequences, though. She paid a price for choosing to continue to evolve, given the fickle nature of the marketplace, and consequently, lost some of her audience. One reason I wanted to make this film was to bring her music back to the consciousness of her long-time fans and to bring new generations to her work. Though her music is less known today, her influence is enduring. For example, when Elvis Costello was recently inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he especially thanked Joni Mitchell for her example. Joni has a pureness of purpose. The truth seeking nature of her work, the mastery of her poetry, her unparalleled voice and virtuosity make her truly unique. There is something mysterious about her talent. No one could have predicted how far she would go given her humble beginnings. There is some spark of divine touch in her talent. And this is something I wanted very much to capture in the film. 8) On this film you've functioned both as the director and as the Executive Producer (EP) of the series. Does this make the process harder? SL: My overall interest, as the creator and EP of American Masters for the past 18 years, is in the artistry of our films. Of course, I'm concerned about the schedule and the budget, but my primary concern is that we have the material to support the story, and a team in place with the right sensibility to tell the story. I don't say, "How fast can you do it and for how little money?" I ask myself, "Do we have the rights we need? The footage we need? The best sou rces of information? The best interviewees?" As the EP, I most often make arrangements with the subjects of the films myself and set up the parameters of the project. I select the filmmaker, making sure there is enough time in the schedule and money in the budget to make a work of art. This is my sensibility and I work closely with each individual director to achieve the best possible film. I always read the subject's biography, and, generally, I have already decided there's a good story to tell. With every subject, there are myriad ways one can go. When I hire a director, I give them the creative freedom to figure out the story. I trust them to be sure the salient facts are there, but I am mostly looking for an original approach to the subject which is stylistically and structurally interesting and appropriate. I read the interview transcripts for at least 50% of our films, so I can evaluate the editing as it progresses in terms of knowing what's available. I am a sounding board for their idea and I think that can be helpful. When I am the director, I am the one responsible for determining the approach, style and structure and, while I look for sounding boards, it's mostly an internal dialogue. - ------ TRACY CHAPMAN Season 29 First Aired 11/1/2003 Photos by: Scott Newton Tracy Chapman Four-time Grammy Award winner Tracy Chapman has been performing heart-felt and socially relevant music for more than 15 years. Austin City Limits presents Tracy Chapman singing songs from throughout her solo career on (original air date) November 1, 2003 on PBS (check local listings for time and date in your area). Song List b" Say Hallelujah b" For My Lover b" Smoke and Ashes b" Baby Can I Hold You b" Fast Car b" Another Sun b" Telling Stories b" You're the One b" Talkin' Bout A Revolution b" Give Me One Reason b" I Am Yours Chapman first came to the world's attention during her show-stopping performance at Nelson Mandela's 70th birthday concert at Wembley Stadium, London in 1988. That same year, "Fast Car," the single from her self-titled debut album which was recently named one of the 100 Greatest Songs of the Past 25 Years by VHI, became a hit in the U.S. and Europe. Late last year, Chapman released Let it Rain. This album has all the trademarks of a Chapman release - intense spirit, her pure, soulful voice and evocative songs. "Ever since the first time I heard 'Fast Car', Tracy has been on my wish list of artists for Austin City Limits," said Austin City Limits Prodcuer Terry Lickona. "It took time, but it finally happened! It's an understatement to say she takes her music seriously - it's her life, and that's why her fans love her so much." - ------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:58:02 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: njc marianne Hey Marianne, how are you doing? I hope you are doing better and the sun is shining inside your head, at least coming out from the clouds. He's still watching you, your dad, and wants you to be happy. He wants you to smile. love, mack np: Let's make tonight the night- vandross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:02:49 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: njc, NCAA: Go Longhorns! Thanks Patti. Actually, I thought they were a bit overrated all year so pretty happy they got this far but, DRATS!!!!!!!!! Good luck to Fla. and UConn. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:33:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni/Tracy Chapman on PBS TV - SF Bay Area Thanks for posting the interview, Julius. WOHAM is an extraordinary achievement and Susan's comment are wonderful. Jerry \JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > I'm posting an online interview with WOHAM director Susan Lacy, which I've > just read to get me psyched for another viewing of this very nicely done > Joni > film biography/documentary below. Interesting, I think. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:47:07 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Top 10, no top 20 Jimmy wrote that Melissa was his favorite before Joni came along. Made me think. We haven't had a play poll in a while. Who are your top 10 singers and why? Harder than I thought, can't possibly pick just 10, have to be top 20. Had a real hard time. It helped when I thought of leaving forever and only had room for 20 in the luggage. Never to come back, never to buy another album. Mine; 1. Melissa Manchester- I love her. I adore the woman. I adore her persona, her music, her words, her wisdom. She was there when I needed her most; she was always there. 2. Judy Garland- Simply the most beautiful voice ever created, at least that I have heard. 3. Barbra Streisand- Bigger fag than I knew. What can I say, she IS like butter. 4. Joni Mitchell- What would life be without Joan and all she has taught us? 5. Daryl Hall- Velvet is this guy. And his tunes, the non hits, are real, telling, and touch me. 6. Rickie Lee Jones- to be without her lilting, crying, moaning voice would not do. 7. Janis Joplin - Who would have ever thought Janis could fall this far as she was the one and only for so long. Still very dear to my heart and it breaks that heart to think of the music she was so close to producing. 8. Gino Vannelli- He amazes me. All albums are different but each so very fine in its own way. 9. Cher - Well, the one word does say it all. 10. Luther Vandross- He would have ranked much higher a few years ago when I was brokenhearted and searching for love. 11. Gladys Knight - No one can sing a song like Gladys, reach that certain spot like her. 12. Rick Astley - He has had some crappers and has picked some the worst tunes ever to record. His last album was a real stinker but when he got it right, how right it was. Have you heard 'don't ask?' To not have heard this voice would be a tragedy. 13. Phoebe Snow - Oh Phoebe girl. You & me could be very, very good friends. 14. Boz Scaggs - So much soul in that body. R& B, Soul, touching, moving. 15. Candi Staton- Would have been much, much higher if not for the limited amt. of quality work she got to produce. Too bad she had to work with crap for all those years. Damn. What a feeling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16. Karen Carpenter - How I miss the girl? Never had a bad note. 17. Elton John - Too much, too good, too long. 18. Lisa Stansfield - Hotter in my mind each and every day I hear her. The more I hear, the better she gets. 19. Barbara Mandrell - That husky voice gets me every time. Another that hasn't put out near enough to suit me. 20. Ronnie Milsap - Few can move with just one note, one touch of their voice. He can. When he moans, I moan too. Ah, where do the nights go? Many left off, painfully. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: The meaning of the name Joan Hey! I just thought of something . . . the Joanster's real first name is/was Roberta. I Google-searched for the meaning of Robert/Roberta and all I could find -- over and over again -- was that the names mean 'bright fame' or just 'famous' or, my favorite, 'famous brilliance'. - --ROBERT G. Smurf - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Cool, I didn't know that. Now I will have to figure > out how Joan Rivers fits > in. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nuriel Tobias" > > > Did you know that the name Joan is an English form > of Johanne, an Old > > French feminine form of Johannes, which was the > Latin form of the Greek > > name Iyammgr (Ioannes), itself derived from the > Hebrew name Yochanan > > meaning "gifted by God"? > > > > Hebrew rules, yes!:) > > > > Love, > > > > Nuri Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #111 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------