From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #102 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 20 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 102 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: heart of gold / South By Southwest ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Slouching Toward(s) Bethlehem NJC [Smurf ] Re: Joni and Mariah and Rosanne Cash too (now NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: The Constant Gardener, and other movies njc [Joseph Palis ] Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Michael McDonald and Joni ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni and Mariah and Rosanne Cash too (now NJC) [Robert Procyk ] spring ["Marianne Rizzo" ] TNT tribute [Dave Blackburn ] Re: spring [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: spring [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: TNT tribute [Bob Muller ] Which Joni Album/Song are you? [Bob Muller ] Re: Diva's & probably some other Saturday thoughts ["mack watson-bush" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:26:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: heart of gold / South By Southwest Wow Julius what a wonderful experience. It does seem like he is more forthcoming & talkative these days. Zen like - what a great description. Where was Astrid his sister? If I were she, I'd be sure I was singing in that show!! >I attended an interview session with Neil Young and "Heart of Gold" director Jonathan Demme at the South by Southwest music festival in Austin this past week, Kate. Neil was much more of a confessional interviewee than he has been in the recent past, clearly, IMO. Incredibly intimate interview, even though given in front of about 500 people and plenty of press. I had a seat in the first few rows. Neil was relaxed and almost Zen-like in his comments. Very cool event to have attended and I'm very glad I did. An almost historical event, really, given Neil's recent health scare.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:04:59 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Townes Van Zandt film / "Nothin'" njc So I'm at SXSW in Austin, right? It's Friday afternoon and I'm perusing the trade show floor after attending a panel discussion of "New Orleans Music After Katrina," which I'll report on later... Anywho, I'm checking out the little Border's bookstore booth they have set up to sell books, records, CDs and DVDs of performers at the conference and related items of interest. On a display table I see a stack of DVDs..."Townes Van Zandt: Be Here to Love Me" and I'm thinking "oh, how convenient..I've been meaning to buy this anyways...I've read about it on the List...and here's a %20 off coupon...I'll just sang it now." I'm thinking all this to myself. So I grab one and peruse some more, taking my sweet time and thumbing through stuff. Finally the attendant comes up to me and says "you might want to purchase that now, sir, if you want to get it signed." "Signed," said I? "Signed by whom?" The guy says, the director, Margaret Brown, is standing right behind you...don't you want it signed?" I pivot a half step to my right, and there's the director with sharpie in hand looking almost as confused as I felt at that moment. I giggled audibly, said "wow" and then proceeded to have an incredibly illuminating half hour discussion with the filmmaker about Townes Van Zandt and her creative process in making the documentary. I was, and remain somewhat floored by the experience and the insight I gained. Thank you, Margaret. That very evening I hastened to watch her documentary on DVD at my friend's Austin home. It's an amazing film documentary about an incredibly talented, yet profoundly troubled man. Set mostly in Austin and derived from archival footage and interviews with Kris Kristofferson (who also performed at SXSW this year, incidentally) and Steve Earle among others. It's not an exaggeration at all: I'm blown away by this film. I recommend it as a 'must-see.' This song, written and performed by Townes in the movie, is, to me, as close to perfect as any song I've ever heard. You can read it for some of its solemn beauty, but it must be heard and seen performed by him for full heart-wrenching effect, I think: "Nothin'" (Use Capo III, fingerpick, slow) Am Hey mama, when you leave Am don't leave a thing behind F Am I don't want nothin' E Am I can't use nothin' Take care into the hall and if you see my friends tell them I'm fine not using nothin' Almost burned out my eyes threw my ears down to the floor I didn't see nothin' I didn't hear nothin' I stood there like a block a stone knowin' all I had to know and nothin' more man, that's nothin' As brothers our troubles are locked in each others arms and you better pray they never find you Your back ain't strong enough for burdens doublefold they'd crush you down down into nothin' Being born is going blind and buying down a thousand times to echoes strung on pure temptation Sorrow and solitude these are the precious things and the words that are worth rememberin' Hey mama, when you leave don't leave a thing behind I don't want nothin' I can't use nothin' - -Townes Van Zandt - ------- - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:18:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Re: sour grapes or...? njc It seemed to me that she was attracted to his stability and calm, perhaps traits she wanted for herself but found herself overtaken by her own compulsive passions. Then again, it could be argued that initially she was using him for his political clout and then fell in love. Subject: Re: Slouching Toward(s) Bethlehem NJC - --- Ken wrote: > Is it true that "towards" is incorrect, and that > "toward" is correct grammar? Someone once told me > it was so. Well, Ken, people will tell you where to go, they'll tell you "towards" is incorrect -- but they're wrong! From drgrammarorg: "Toward or towards? The two are interchangeable. Toward is more common in American English; towards is the more common usage in British English." - --Smurf, slouching towards work . . . . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:23:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah and Rosanne Cash too (now NJC) Thanks so much Randy! Laura was kind enough to send me a clip of it as well as a link to "The Very Best of Roseanne Cash". I really like her! It seems that this song was written about a younger Johnny Cash. Thanks again >From: Randy Remote >To: Sherelle Smith >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah and Rosanne Cash too (now NJC) >Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:17:09 -0800 > >Off the top of my head, I think it's called "Tennessee Flat-Top Box", and >was a staple of The Man in Black, JC that is (and I don't mean Jesus)... >.. searching her stuff on Amazon should answer the other questions >RR, who tears up when he hears "Seven Year Ache" > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherelle Smith" > >>Can you tell me the name of the song that Roseanne Cash sings about "the >>Tennessee Flat-Top"? When I heard her do this song I fell in love with her >>voice and style! Also, can you tell what album or CD this is on? One more >>question, does she have a best of compilation and is this song up there? I >>love to hear Roseanne sing that song!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:22:10 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Michael McDonald and Joni Hi Nuri, I am a big Michael McDonald fan because Michael has a way with harmony like few other vocalists I've ever seen or heard. Michael also used to be on Reprise Records with Joni. From what I have gathered, he is a big fan of Joni's music and it was quite an honor for him to work with her at the time. During that time, Michael was in everyone's studio doing background vocals to the point that SCTV did a spoof of him (which he thinks is very funny) I like Michael McDonald because he doesn't take himself too seriously and would love to just be in the background if he could. Sherelle Nuri wrote: Out of all the singers Joni's worked with, i never understood her colaboration with Michael McDonald. I don't know him too well at all, but several days ago, i saw an old video for one of his songs, and it was quite cool. But why did Joni perform "Good Friends" with him? Do they share some history? Was he a Geffen artist that Joni just "had" to work with? Love, Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Michael McDonald and Joni Michael's wife is a big fan of Joni's artwork. It was through them that she realized its value and began to sell, rather than give away, her work. Jerry Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi Nuri, > > I am a big Michael McDonald fan because Michael has a way with harmony > like > few other vocalists I've ever seen or heard. Michael also used to be on > Reprise Records with Joni. From what I have gathered, he is a big fan of > Joni's music and it was quite an honor for him to work with her at the > time. > During that time, Michael was in everyone's studio doing background vocals > to the point that SCTV did a spoof of him (which he thinks is very funny) > I > like Michael McDonald because he doesn't take himself too seriously and > would love to just be in the background if he could. > > Sherelle > > Nuri wrote: > > Out of all the singers Joni's worked with, i never understood her > colaboration > with Michael McDonald. > I don't know him too well at all, but several days ago, i saw an old > video > for > one of his songs, and it was quite cool. > But why did Joni perform "Good Friends" with him? Do they share some > history? > Was he a Geffen artist that Joni just "had" to work with? > > Love, > > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:44:11 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: The Constant Gardener, and other movies njc I like "The Constant Gardener" too but the excitement was more for Fernando Mireilles (sp?) because of his highly visual style of filmmaking i.e. frenetic hand-held camera work, always favoring medium shots with no backlighting among other exciting things. Much as Rachel Weisz is above-average competent as the activist wife of Ralph Fiennes, I thought Fiennes is the heart and soul of the movie and his haunted looks, tentative movements and almost nasal sound perfectly nailed the character. Plus that scene in the finale of him in the rock was, for me, most moving and powerful. "The Constant Gardener" along with "A History of Violence" were two of the five best films (along with "Tony Takitani", "Ushpizin" and "Me and You and Everyone We Know") that came out in 2005 and it would have been gratifying to see them nominated for the Best Picture award. But no way, Jose. The recent films that blew me away were: Cache (Hidden) - which I saw in NYC during the week of the Joni Tribute. Wont spoil anything except to say that the opening shot is very clever and the last shot had to be watched very very closely for a clue that will change the way you looked at the film's narrative and the story before that. But then Haneke always did that to his viewers from films like "The Piano Teacher" to "Code Unknown". Nightwatch - have never seen subtitles so artfully made a part of the film's storytelling. This Russian film is the first of a trilogy of horror. The horror is not "The Audition" type of horror nor of "the horror the horror" that Marlon Brando's character in "Apocalypse Now" intoned but of "The Blade Runner" type mixed with "The Haunting". The World's Fastest Indian - charming (and I don't mean cutesy) tale of a older guy wanting to test the limits of speed with his home-style "Indian" that he put together. The film just resisted all possible opportunities for manipulative sentimentality and instead gave a film truer to character and local culture than usually seen in movies. And much as I always support foreign and indie films, they also have their share of disappointments, at least for me. The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada - contrived, self-indulgent and tedious despite good performances from Barry Pepper and Melissa Leo. I kept looking at the time I saw this and wished I saw "V for Vendetta". Must just be me. The White Countess - lacking the visual verve of other Merchant-Ivory films, this film plods and cannot sustain the promising premise of the opening. Despite the three Redgrave ladies, the script of Kazuo Ishiguro and the mass hysteria that broke out towards the end, I was so disappointed at this last Merchant-Ivory production. Made me appreciate their "Le Divorce" and "Feast of July". But that's it for now. Joseph in Chapel Hill (sad for the joint loss of the Tar Heels yesterday. Will root now for UConn and Florida and .. uhm, Duke) Michael O'Malley a icrit : Bob wrote: And I just saw "The Constant Gardener" which I thought was better and much more affecting than both of them. I wonder why Raef Fiennes didn't merit a nomination for his performance? Maybe because he's so consistently good that you don't notice it? At least Rachel Wiesz won for her work in the film. And the soundtrack music kept me listening all the way through the end credits, quite an accomplishment when you're holding the remote in your hand (and chompin at the bit to check out the bonus features on the DVD). me: Funny thing, I just saw Constant Gardener too, last week. I loved the cinematography and punchy editing - full of amazing little details that brought the story to life. I must say however, that I thought Fiennes was lacklustre in this film, compared to Rachel Wiesz, who blew him off the screen with her vitality, determination and dazzling beauty. In fact, I don't see what she saw in the Fiennes character - an unlikely couple, imo; he seemed not quite up to snuff. Haven't read the book. The special features were great, no? Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ MSN. 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What a beautiful tune that is! > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: mack watson-bush > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:49:45 -0600 > Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC > > > -Judy Garland- simply the best voice I have ever heard > -Aretha Franklin- aaaahhh > -Barbra Streisand- butter > -Barry Manilow- I don't care what anyone says, I like her. > -Bette Midler- Enjoy her Janis' impressions the most. > -Cher- the one word says enough. > -Diana Ross-despite what an unbalanced thing she has seemed to become, > can't forget the past tunes. > -Dolly Parton- finally she can't cover it up physically, still got the > pipes. > -Elton John-is there anyone she hasn't done a duet with? > -Gladys Knight- too fine this voice > -Joni Mitchell-perhaps the biggest diva of all > -Judy Collins- would invite her to brunch > -Linda Ronstadt- should have stuck with the formula > -Liza Minnelli-hard to follow a legend but did it well > -Madonna- funny, didn't use to like her much. > -Phoebe Snow- too good to be ignored like she is > -Rickie Lee Jones-can't get too much > > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:59:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC Ken wrote: > Where's Melissa??? I can't believe it!!! > On the subject of Barry Manilow, I can't say I'm a fan, BUT, his song "When October Goes" did find itself in my ipod. What a beautiful tune that is! Melissa is in a class by herself Ken. Don't think of her when I think of diva, perhaps because of the negative connotations placed on the word these past years. She's too special to be labeled as such, to me. I've got the Barry tune too. Glad to see you back, missed you. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:03:04 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Dusty Springfield movie rumor Mark E, Dusty fanatic, wrote: Ok, I would like to know what everyone's definition of a diva is. I would also like to know why NOBODY has mentioned Dusty Springfield??? Dear Mark and other Dusty Fans: I heard on the radio a few days ago that Charlize Theron is starring in a movie about Dusty Springfield. I was really excited about that news, until a perfunctory google search this morning turns up that it was only a rumor. http://blogs.usatoday.com/ofactor/2006/02/ang_quashes_dus.html Darn! Love, Patti P. NPIMH, Dusty singing: With heart and soul The world is yours, the stars are too If you bring out the best in you With heart and soul Whatever you've been wantin to do Heart and soul will see it through ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:24:24 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Post Hejira Faves Nice thread. My choice would be: DJRD - Paprika Plains I like conceptual albums that have an orchestral suite. Much like the Style Council's "The Garden of Eden" and Kate Bush's "A Sky of Honey", "Paprika Plains" explores the musical motifs of DJRD in interesting ways. Mingus - The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey Love the baying of the wolf in the background and some Joni's most evocative lyrics "His grandpa loved an empire/ His sister loved a thief/ And lindsey loved the ways of darkness/ Beyond belief" WTRF - Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody I have always been fascinated how Joni weaves other songs into her songs and make them a part of the musical collage. Like in "Harry's House" that incorporated the Lambert, Hendricks and Ross' hit "Centerpiece", CC/UM talked about longing and how UM recurred thematically and musically in the whole song before the song itself was sung in the context of the characters' musical dialogues. Very very intriguing song. DED - Ethiopia As usual I go for Joni's word imagery to paint a picture of desolation in Ethiopia that could actuallybe any country too. Her lyrics are to be savored: "Little garden planet oasis in space/ Some hearts hurt they can hardly stand it". CMIARS - A Bird That Whistles So okay this is a Traditional song (with a capital T) but Joni rearranged the song to flesh out unspeakable crimes of the heart that only she can do with her poetry and magic way of creating atmosphere. I like the minimalism employed and the almost heartbreaking lines: "Now you pack your things and go/ Leave me this bird that whistles/ Leave me this bird that sings". NRH - Passion Play (When all the Slaves are free) I like the way Joni inserts "Enter the multitudes" everytime to pace the song and drive the narrative to another level. In an album of excellent songs, "Passion Play" for me is first among equals. TI - Yvette in English Again, I like the intoned "Yvette" in the background to serve as counterpoint to the lyrics. And next to the way Joni utilizes other popular songs and insert them in her own songs, I am also drawn at her gift for conversation. Like Charles Webb. This passage is really illustrative: "He's fumbling with her foreign tongue/ Reaching for words and drawing blanks/ A loud mouth is stricken deaf and dumb/ In a bistro on the left bank "If I were a painter" Picasso said/ "I'd paint this girl from toe to head!" / Yvette in English saying / "Please have this/ Little bit of instant bliss" TTT - Harlem in Havana I like the opening dissonance and the way it brings you to another plane. The voice is already at its smoky-low and I love the way she employed that ragged voice to talk about "Emmy may ran away/ With a man as dark as night/ You can see him, if you go there/ Second trumpet to the right/ They play "Night Train"/ So snakey" Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Denyce Graves "Old Man River" roberto munguia a icrit : Well, jumping back into this expanded version of the post-Hejira poll I'd have to say: From DJRD- Jericho Mingus- Pork Pie Hat WTRF- Moon at the Window DED- Impossible Dreamer CMRS- Tea Leaf Prophesy NRH- Two Grey Rooms TI - Last Chance Lost TTT- Man From Mars (boy, is this telling!) my 2 cents............................Oh Joni, you put the happy in my balloon! Roberto On 3/18/06,Russell Bowden wrote: > > Gang, > > How about one song from each post-H studio album? > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > God Must Be a Boogie Man > > Be Cool > > Shiny Toys > > My Secret Place > > Two Grey Rooms > > Sire of Sorrow > > Harlem in Havana > > And those are just off the top of my punkin haid. > > Love, > > Russ - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:29:07 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC I like "When October Goes" too. It was written by Johnny Mercer and was found in the early 90s. Barry Manilow set the music to those lovely lyrics and Nancy Wilson (not Cameron Crowe's NW of Heart) recorded an entire album of those found lyrics that were set to music by Barry Manilow. I would recommend checking out that album of Nancy Wilson called "With My Lover Beside Me". Other versions of "When October Goes" that you may enjoy are those of Nancy Lamott and Monica Mancini. Joseph in CH np: Denyce Grave "Ne Me Quitte Pas" kjhsf@aol.com a icrit : Where's Melissa??? I can't believe it!!! On the subject of Barry Manilow, I can't say I'm a fan, BUT, his song "When October Goes" did find itself in my ipod. What a beautiful tune that is! Ken - -----Original Message----- From: mack watson-bush To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:49:45 -0600 Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC - -Judy Garland- simply the best voice I have ever heard - -Aretha Franklin- aaaahhh - -Barbra Streisand- butter - -Barry Manilow- I don't care what anyone says, I like her. - -Bette Midler- Enjoy her Janis' impressions the most. - -Cher- the one word says enough. - -Diana Ross-despite what an unbalanced thing she has seemed to become, can't forget the past tunes. - -Dolly Parton- finally she can't cover it up physically, still got the pipes. - -Elton John-is there anyone she hasn't done a duet with? - -Gladys Knight- too fine this voice - -Joni Mitchell-perhaps the biggest diva of all - -Judy Collins- would invite her to brunch - -Linda Ronstadt- should have stuck with the formula - -Liza Minnelli-hard to follow a legend but did it well - -Madonna- funny, didn't use to like her much. - -Phoebe Snow- too good to be ignored like she is - -Rickie Lee Jones-can't get too much mack - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:35:02 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Michael McDonald and Joni now NJC Hi Sherelle, I agree with you completely about Michael McDonald. In fact I used to think that he is the best backup/harmomy singer ever. Any song that had him in the harmony vocals sounds even better from wife Amy Holland's "Never Give Up" to Patti Austin's "I can't let go". His duet with Joni had the same effect for me even if he was given a more active role rather than just to provide background vocals. And now that I remembered it, he has this beautiful falsetto that he used when he sang with Patti Labelle in "On My Own". Joseph in cloudy Chapel Hill (wondering why I am particularly chatty today -- must be nervousness) Sherelle Smith a icrit : Hi Nuri, I am a big Michael McDonald fan because Michael has a way with harmony like few other vocalists I've ever seen or heard. Michael also used to be on Reprise Records with Joni. From what I have gathered, he is a big fan of Joni's music and it was quite an honor for him to work with her at the time. During that time, Michael was in everyone's studio doing background vocals to the point that SCTV did a spoof of him (which he thinks is very funny) I like Michael McDonald because he doesn't take himself too seriously and would love to just be in the background if he could. Sherelle Nuri wrote: Out of all the singers Joni's worked with, i never understood her colaboration with Michael McDonald. I don't know him too well at all, but several days ago, i saw an old video for one of his songs, and it was quite cool. But why did Joni perform "Good Friends" with him? Do they share some history? Was he a Geffen artist that Joni just "had" to work with? Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: j m Subject: Re: Diva's & probably some other Saturday thoughts dive: latin. from dva- god; dvus-goddess. A Female operatic soloist, prima donna- First woman a self indulgent,conceited woman. Ya never really know what another persons thought process is. At times it "appears" to be apparent; i`m no empath. Lets say, for example Kate Smith... perfect Diva, i could never tell if it was a comic production or if people could actually tolerate that voice. They must have. And i have no malicious intent. Jill Scott? You betcha! Like Joni, says, sings Her "thing" not only with Artistry to the 10th power, but a presence that exudes an almost universal communication, like a Soul Embrace... Joni is most definately a Prima Donna. Not in the sense of a rampant Ego; rather in the sense of a Lady (certainly) , and First Lady:- the anti/Laura Bush.. :_)) A Goddess, yes very much so. i mean, Joni`s "works" have given me inspiration like almost nothing else. Life is "unique" to each Spirit; but, We are all much more alike than We are diferent. Matakuye Oyasin. Peace :) jon Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: j m Subject: Re: Diva's & probably some other Saturday thoughts- correction diva: latin. from dva- god; dvus-goddess. A Female operatic soloist, prima donna- First woman a self indulgent,conceited woman. Ya never really know what another persons thought process is. At times it "appears" to be apparent; i`m no empath. Lets say, for example Kate Smith... perfect Diva, i could never tell if it was a comic production or if people could actually tolerate that voice. They must have. And i have no malicious intent. Jill Scott? You betcha! Like Joni, says, sings Her "thing" not only with Artistry to the 10th power, but a presence that exudes an almost universal communication, like a Soul Embrace... Joni is most definately a Prima Donna. Not in the sense of a rampant Ego; rather in the sense of a Lady (certainly) , and First Lady:- the anti/Laura Bush.. :_)) A Goddess, yes very much so. i mean, Joni`s "works" have given me inspiration like almost nothing else. Life is "unique" to each Spirit; but, We are all much more alike than We are diferent. Matakuye Oyasin. Peace :) jon Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC who is this Melissa?? Etheridge? Manchester? so curious.. Em - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Ken wrote: > > > > Where's Melissa??? I can't believe it!!! > > On the subject of Barry Manilow, I can't say I'm a fan, BUT, his > song > "When October Goes" did find itself in my ipod. What a beautiful > tune that > is! > > Melissa is in a class by herself Ken. Don't think of her when I > think of > diva, perhaps because of the negative connotations placed on the word > these > past years. She's too special to be labeled as such, to me. > > I've got the Barry tune too. Glad to see you back, missed you. > > mack > http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/imsorry.wav ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:50:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Michael McDonald and Joni Really! Thank you so much for that information! Her name is Amy Holland McDonald and she has a beautiful voice as well! This makes my day! Amy is coming out with a solo CD later on this year and I'm very excited about it! Now that I know that she loves Joni's artwork, I am even more excited!!! Thanks Jerry! (Nuri, which video did you see?) Love, Sherelle >From: "Gerald A. Notaro" >Reply-To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: nurielt@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Michael McDonald and Joni >Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:38:52 -0500 (EST) > >Michael's wife is a big fan of Joni's artwork. It was through them that >she realized its value and began to sell, rather than give away, her work. > >Jerry > >Sherelle Smith wrote: > > Hi Nuri, > > > > I am a big Michael McDonald fan because Michael has a way with harmony > > like > > few other vocalists I've ever seen or heard. Michael also used to be on > > Reprise Records with Joni. From what I have gathered, he is a big fan of > > Joni's music and it was quite an honor for him to work with her at the > > time. > > During that time, Michael was in everyone's studio doing background >vocals > > to the point that SCTV did a spoof of him (which he thinks is very >funny) > > I > > like Michael McDonald because he doesn't take himself too seriously and > > would love to just be in the background if he could. > > > > Sherelle > > > > Nuri wrote: > > > > Out of all the singers Joni's worked with, i never understood her > > colaboration > > with Michael McDonald. > > I don't know him too well at all, but several days ago, i saw an old > > video > > for > > one of his songs, and it was quite cool. > > But why did Joni perform "Good Friends" with him? Do they share some > > history? > > Was he a Geffen artist that Joni just "had" to work with? > > > > Love, > > > > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Constant Gardener, and other movies njc - --- Joseph Palis wrote: > I like "The Constant Gardener" too but the > excitement was more for Fernando Mireilles (sp?) > because of his highly visual style of filmmaking > i.e. frenetic hand-held camera work, always favoring > medium shots with no backlighting among other > exciting things. Much as Rachel Weisz is > above-average competent as the activist wife of > Ralph Fiennes, I thought Fiennes is the heart and > soul of the movie and his haunted looks, tentative > movements and almost nasal sound perfectly nailed > the character. Plus that scene in the finale of him > in the rock was, for me, most moving and powerful. Yeah, I think it was one of those understated performances where the actor is portraying a quiet, restrained person and has to convey much with subtle body language and eyes. He is, after all, a diplomat who has to keep his feelings in check for his sake and for the sake of those he deals with, in his own govt and in the govt of the country he's doing service in - all while somehow conveying them subtly to the audience (we voyeurs). All too often good acting awards and nominations go to the more animated, histrionic performances. The art of subtlety is pretty much lost in a sound-byte world. I had a bit of a hard time too understanding why Weisz's character would be attracted to him. Maybe she saw beneath the surface. What a gorgeous pair, though. I think Rachel Weisz is so beautiful, and Ralph Fiennes, mmmmmmm..... Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Michael McDonald and Joni now NJC - --- Joseph Palis wrote: > Hi Sherelle, > > I agree with you completely about Michael > McDonald. In fact I used to think that he is the > best backup/harmomy singer ever. Any song that had > him in the harmony vocals sounds even better from > wife Amy Holland's "Never Give Up" to Patti > Austin's "I can't let go". His duet with Joni had > the same effect for me even if he was given a more > active role rather than just to provide background > vocals. And now that I remembered it, he has this > beautiful falsetto that he used when he sang with > Patti Labelle in "On My Own". > > Joseph in cloudy Chapel Hill > (wondering why I am particularly chatty today -- > must be nervousness) > I love Michael Macdonald's voice. He could probably use a few diction lessons though! Always sounds kind of like he has a mouthful of marbles. whatcha nervous about? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:55:16 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Michael McDonald and Joni now NJC Hi Catherine, Yeah, when Michael McDonald sings, he does slurs things up which I find pleasing though. Patti Austin once poked fun at him in her Live album. She was imitating how Michael McDonald sings and draws attention to the fact that no one understands what he sings about and he might be singing lyrics with "kiss my butt in it..." To prove her point she launched into this song of Michael which had a catchy "minute by minute by minute" chorus and she imitated Michael's voice singing "... hey baby, kiss my butt..." all in the using perfectly Michael's raspy/cloudy/blurry voice so that it came out like "heerrrrhhh bowbe 'uss ma buddd". Side-splitting. I wonder where is Patti Austin now. She has mostly unerring taste in songs she can get away with and her three albums of standards are really very good. Mike P., you should check them out along with Sheena Easton's "No String" album. And Catherine, I was prolly nervous because I had this oral presentation of my research in campus at 1:00pm today inline with the University Research Day. While I was getting ready to school, I got an email from the organizers telling me that there will be judges who will rate our research and I guess, presentation skills and if we have tightly-constructed methodologies, etc. So that got me rattled and instead of practicing my powerpoint presentation, I instead sent a record number of posts in the List -- anything to take my mind off it. Good thing it was over now as I got of it. I was the first presenter and people (i.e. grad students competing against each other) were not talking to each other and I could feel the tension rise. Anyway, I delivered my talk and just forgot about them. I hanged out a bit to listen to some presentations and there were some (at leats to me) aggressive and pointed questions leveled against the presenters coming FROM the other presenters. Such a cutthroat world. I guess I dont get it why some would ask questions for the sake of lowering a peg or two the scholarship of another as if the prize is large sums of money and world renown. I was asked three tough questions myself and I silently thanked the fact that as a Filipino guy, my tendency to smile often, masked my nervousness. As though as I am relaxed. Its so nerve-wracking to appear relaxed. But its all in the past. Haha Joseph in CH (smiling as I am typing) Catherine McKay a icrit : - --- Joseph Palis wrote: > Hi Sherelle, > > I agree with you completely about Michael > McDonald. In fact I used to think that he is the > best backup/harmomy singer ever. Any song that had > him in the harmony vocals sounds even better from > wife Amy Holland's "Never Give Up" to Patti > Austin's "I can't let go". His duet with Joni had > the same effect for me even if he was given a more > active role rather than just to provide background > vocals. And now that I remembered it, he has this > beautiful falsetto that he used when he sang with > Patti Labelle in "On My Own". > > Joseph in cloudy Chapel Hill > (wondering why I am particularly chatty today -- > must be nervousness) > I love Michael Macdonald's voice. He could probably use a few diction lessons though! Always sounds kind of like he has a mouthful of marbles. whatcha nervous about? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:42:30 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC > who is this Melissa?? > Etheridge? Manchester? > so curious.. Manchester. She used to be one of Bette's backup singers, The Harlots. She was also my first musical love, before Joni. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:58:46 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah and Rosanne Cash too (now NJC) Hi Sherelle, Not sure if anyone answered since I accidently deleted last night's digest (it's Monday that's for sure), but the song is Tennesee Flat-Top Box and it's on King's Record Shop. There are a couple compilations out there - one is a cheapy compilation that isn't great but has the song on it, and there was also a newer one out there that I think was a better sampling. I dunno, Rosanne is like Joni - the compilations don't seem to completely satisfy. However, the compilation that was released last year would be a good start. Have a good Monday all, Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sherelle Smith Date: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:59 am Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah and Rosanne Cash too (now NJC) > Hi Rob, > > Can you tell me the name of the song that Roseanne Cash sings > about "the > Tennessee Flat-Top"? When I heard her do this song I fell in love > with her > voice and style! Also, can you tell what album or CD this is on? > One more > question, does she have a best of compilation and is this song up > there? I > love to hear Roseanne sing that song!!!! > > Sherelle > > Rob wrote: > > > Of course, as I've said before, my favorite singer now behind Joni > and > Stevie > has to be Rosanne Cash, so maybe I'll redeem myself there. I still > think > Rules > of Travel is one of the best songs ever written, and her new album > is beyond > words (but is so full of loss that it saddens me so much I can't > listen to > it > anymore at the moment). > Well, I better get back to my Mariah and my wonderbread and cheez whiz > sandwiches back in the trailer, > TGIF, > Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:56:10 +0000 From: andeemac2005@comcast.net Subject: The Constant Gardener Michael O'Malley: I agree I feel without doubt that the Constant Gardener was the best Film of 2005. and how Ralph Fiennes was not nominated for best Actor, well I dont know? call me paranoic I some times think that some years theres a need by the Academy to promote American Films with American Actors. I mean its not as if Brokeback Mountain or some of the other films nomintated were Box Office hits, where they. I mean how did Ridley Scott not get an Oscar for Directing "Gladiator"????? and the same question for Russell Crowe's performance in "A Beautifull mind" his performance in this film was better than the one in Gladiator the previous year, also was the Indian film "Water" to late for entry? But never mind I thought Rachel Weizz getting here's was great I must say a pretty average Oscars year, where have all the truly great films gone. I watched a "River runs through it " the other day what a marvellous film for the spirit, one ot the most memorable endings of a film ever. //////// Andrew Neave. PS: do you think that Tori Amos would play a good Joni in her life story Film if it gets of the ground???? she has the bravado and passion to carry if off I think. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:47:43 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The Constant Gardener - ----- Original Message ----- From: > //////// Andrew Neave. > PS: do you think that Tori Amos would play a good Joni in her life story > Film if it gets of the ground???? she has the bravado and passion to > carry if off I think. Yes, I could see that, but would also have to consider Aimee Mann, who bears a resemblence, and has done acting-she was in The Big Lewbowski, one of the greatest movies ever made. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:02:10 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: spring Today is the first day of spring, the vernal equinox in the Northern Hemisphere. On this day the North and South Poles are equally distant from the sun, so we will have almost exactly the same amount of daytime as nighttime. The novelist Margaret Atwood said, "In the spring, at the end of the day, you should smell like dirt." Happy first day of spring. LO VE Marianne any Joni references to spring? I can't think of any right now .. (I mean, I think of crocuses to bring to school. . . ) _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:04:42 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: TNT tribute Greetings all, Does anyone have a copy of the 2000 TNT Joni tribute concert with Elton John, k.d lang etc they would share with us. It doesn't appear to be buyable online but something tells me one of you "rabid" JM types might have it to share. Would be vary grateful... thanks Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:19:37 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: spring Sure, "On the first day of Spring--I'm lookin at the only joy in town" "There was Spring along the ditches, there were good times in the city..." - -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Rizzo To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:02:10 -0500 Subject: spring Today is the first day of spring, the vernal equinox in the Northern Hemisphere. On this day the North and South Poles are equally distant from the sun, so we will have almost exactly the same amount of daytime as nighttime. The novelist Margaret Atwood said, "In the spring, at the end of the day, you should smell like dirt." Happy first day of spring. LO VE Marianne any Joni references to spring? I can't think of any right now .. (I mean, I think of crocuses to bring to school. . . ) _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:19:42 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: spring Sure, "On the first day of Spring--I'm lookin at the only joy in town" "There was Spring along the ditches, there were good times in the city..." - -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Rizzo To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:02:10 -0500 Subject: spring Today is the first day of spring, the vernal equinox in the Northern Hemisphere. On this day the North and South Poles are equally distant from the sun, so we will have almost exactly the same amount of daytime as nighttime. The novelist Margaret Atwood said, "In the spring, at the end of the day, you should smell like dirt." Happy first day of spring. LO VE Marianne any Joni references to spring? I can't think of any right now .. (I mean, I think of crocuses to bring to school. . . ) _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:57:36 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC Em asked: > who is this Melissa?? > Etheridge? Manchester? > so curious.. Em. Manchester! Frankly the two of them in the same sentence is scary to me. The only thing I find endearing about Etheridge is her appreciation of Janis. Not in the class with Missy Manchester. Undervalued and underappreciated I might add. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:47:26 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: spring > any Joni references to spring? From "Refuge Of The Roads:" There was spring along the ditches There were good times in the cities Oh radiant happiness It was all so light and easy : ) Happy spring, All! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: TNT tribute Hi Dave, Are you looking for Audio? Video? Both? We can definitely hook you up. Bob NP: REM, "Don't Go Back to Rockville" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Which Joni Album/Song are you? Not sure how accurate it is...and as always, no wagering: http://www.quizilla.com/users/verdane/quizzes/What%20Joni%20Mitchell%20album%20are%20you%3F/ http://www.quizilla.com/users/Flygirln1/quizzes/What%20Joni%20Mitchell%20song%20are%20you%3F Methinks the person(s) who made this up need an expansion of their Joni repertoire. Bob (Blue & A Case Of You...yeah, right) NP: Sally Walker, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:19:09 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Diva's & probably some other Saturday thoughts jon wrote: > dive: latin. from dva- god; dvus-goddess. > A Female operatic soloist, prima donna- First woman > a self indulgent,conceited woman. hmmm? Well, by that definition I have no one on my list. Take the prima donna part: 1. Diana Ross 2. Barbra Streisand 3. Elton John 4. Joni Mitchell Self indulgent, conceited: 1. Diana Ross 2. Barbra Streisand 3. Diana Ross 4. Barbra Streisand 5. Miss John 6. Barbra Ross 7. Diana Streisand 8. Joni Mitchell mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: A Question; A Project and A Story Hey Joni-people.... Just was on the website...sooooooooooo terrific and a continual thank you to all involved. I chose some new wallpaper like some lady with credit card eyes would choose a Rodeo Drive outfit, then read all about the Mendal Art Gallery. Sounds so fantastic...only wish I could fly up and see the exhibition for myself. I'm particularly interested in the expanded facility of the Gallery soon to be "The Joni Mitchell Cafe". Every town and city needs one, don't ya think? Having fun with the website, I wandered into the section about Joni in fiction. BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 My spring and summer project arrived (finally) in my brain. I'm reading as many books on the list as possible (have read a few already). Think I'll begin with Todd Condon' "The World's Room" followed by "Apprentice to the Flow Poet Z: A Novel" by Debra Weinstein. I thrive on conceptualizing personal projects and really following them through. Does anyone else on the list do this? Ah...a story from my life.... I read a little clipping that Joan Baez was going to be in the Encore Book Store signing her book, "And A Voice To Sing With". This happened over the July 4Th weekend of 1987. I was frantic, thinking that because of the July 4Th holiday, very few people would be present. So, I drove up to Chestnut Hill, Pa. (gee, where was I living....NJ I guess) only to discover that there was a line a mile long of aging hippie-types, some holding their screaming babies and toddlers. Amazed, I thought, well....I'm thrilled for Joan but it was quite a hike and I'm going to figure out a way to REALLY meet her. As I write that I feel slightly obnoxious....no comments please. I knew Joan Baez wasn't going to arrive in a big stretch limo. I found a spot a small distance away from the line of people and stood at curbside. I was right. Up came a modest sedan and I spotted Joan sitting in the back seat. So, as any polite person would do I opened the door and simply said, "Hello Ms. Baez. Welcome to Encore Books." Just at that moment three or four frantic employees ran up to the car as Joan stood next to it on the lawn, pushed my aside and welcomed her. Joan winked at me saying, "You're good!!!" She was not the Joan Baez of my imagination. She was wearing sooooo much make-up and a gorgeous 5TH Ave. outfit. I went and stood at the end of the line. When my turn finally came, I told Joan that the impact she had on me inspired me as I was developing my mental health center. "Oh, I didn't know that." Then she signed the book giving me her obviously pre-rehearsed eye-ball gaze of a second. I remember thinking that I didn't want to meet Joni Mitchell. That was how disappointed I was in meeting Joan Baez. Well now....having written all of that I wonder why I thought I'd share it with you. The emerging thoughts would be waaayyy too long. Happy Monday and a terrific Tuesday to all. Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #102 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------