From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #97 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 17 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 097 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["mike pritchard" ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Good news - Bad News - Good news! [JoniPD ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc [Smurf ] Re: Joni and Mariah - Now Very NJC [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem [Catherine McKay ] Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC [Em ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC [Em ] Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc [Em ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: apologies ["Sherelle Smith" ] (NJC) Help them if you can ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni and Mariah NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni and Mariah NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc ["Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >>I just learned that Joan Didion wrote a book of essays called "Slouching Towards Bethlehem."<< And darned good it is too on the 60s zeitgeist. Check it out. mike in bcn NP Art Pepper - Over the Rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem Interesting, oui. This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's lyrics to expound on a thought. She takes such time and effort to put those words onto paper and into being. It kind of justifies the way we feel about her music. It touches us, teaches us and makes us better people because it's real and raw. Now I definitely have to read up on Joan Didion!!!She is a woman of heart and mind like our Joni!!! (See what you have got me doing Pretty Patti Parlette??? Smile) Love, Sherelle >From: "Patti Parlette" >To: joni@smoe.org, sherellesmith@hotmail.com >Subject: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:32:17 +0000 > >Sherelle wrote (among other beautiful heartfelt stuff): > >This book by Joan Didion sounds like it is a very good one. I would like to >read it because the excerpt definitely speaks to my heart. > >------ > >You know how I compared her one paragraph to Joni lyrics? I just learned >that Joan Didion wrote a book of essays called "Slouching Towards >Bethlehem." This may be common knowledge here but it's new to me. (Am I >living in a dream these days?) > >Joan and Joni. Interesting, non? > >Love, > >Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever written and performed. I'm sorry, but for years i've been trying to understand why folks mock her and i still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling Stone, who claim that Mariah is an insult to artists such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. Love, Nuri Jerry Notaro wrote: From the new Rolling Stone: 3Imagine my disbelief to see Mariah Carey on the cover. I can9t recall an artist who has recorded more dreck than her. Every time one of Mariah9s sixth-grade fans buys one of her records, it9s a slap in the face to true female artists such and Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Aretha Franklin.2 Jerry - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:00:31 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah Maybe it's because she has wasted a gorgeous gift with overblown productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. Jerry > "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever written and performed. I'm > sorry, but for years i've been trying to understand why folks mock her and i > still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling Stone, who claim that Mariah > is an insult to artists such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the > late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. > > > Love, > > Nuri > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > From the new Rolling Stone: > > 3Imagine my disbelief to see Mariah Carey on the cover. I can9t recall an > artist who has recorded more dreck than her. Every time one of Mariah9s > sixth-grade fans buys one of her records, it9s a slap in the face to true > female artists such and Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Aretha > Franklin.2 > > Jerry > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:12:12 +0100 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: NJC Good news - Bad News - Good news! Hi! oh well, how can tell you, Bob? I guess the one you were waiting for... made its way across the Atlantic and it's NP (now playing) in *your* galician house! I'm so delighted! Claudia, dear, I think that you and Randall play soooo beautiful together that these down-to-earth arrangements are simply the Best! (oh yeah, when I listen two guitars and two voices *like yours* I'm in heaven and I don't need more) More to come about the subject later (after all, I've just finished lunch and I'm only listening 2nd song. I know that when "Barcelona" comes I'll be laughing and crying of joy... "Heaven had mercy and let us fall through time... Oh, I remember that time - I do recall") Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: you know... "Margaret" PS: in Windows Media Player there's already its entry (user feedback) Bob Muller wrote: Well, I was all excited today because I got my cd's from cdbaby - I had ordered (4) last Friday, including the Randall-Claudia CD. Well, the Bad News was THAT one was NOT included. But, the GOOD news is that they wrote a note that it was backordered and that they would ship it to me ASAP which means that they must have sold out of this one in short order. Pretty neat - congratulations, Claudia - looks like you & Randall are #1 with a bullet. Bob NP: Gomez, "Get Miles" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:17:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > Interesting, oui. > > This makes perfect sense that an author would use > Joni's lyrics to expound > on a thought. Whoa, there! Let's not forget Mr Yeats who wrote the poem that Joni adapted to her song. And I don't know the timeframe for when Joan Didion wrote her "Slouching" and when Joni Mitchell wrote hers. Though I'd like to think that our Joan reads Didion and vice versa, who knows (but perhaps an intrepid researcher with time on her hands, no child to raise might be tempted), and I think we should give credit where it's due, to William Butler Yeats: - ------------------------------------- The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all convictions, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:18:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever > written and performed. I'm sorry, but for years i've > been trying to understand why folks mock her and i > still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling > Stone, who claim that Mariah is an insult to artists > such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the > late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. > > Sorry, Nuri, and I've sometimes vowed never to diss other artists, but I absolutely, loathe, detest, nay abhor, Mariah Carey. Ick. Yuck. Ptooey! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah If the girl wants to act in sexy ways, why can't she? When it comes to Mariah, i see it not as image building, but as who she really is, she said so herself many times, and i believe her. As is see it, Mariah is an amazing singer and songwriter, and she didn't waste nothing more than Joni who chose to feed cats for the rest of her life. Love, Nuri Jerry Notaro wrote: Maybe it's because she has wasted a gorgeous gift with overblown productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. Jerry > "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever written and performed. I'm > sorry, but for years i've been trying to understand why folks mock her and i > still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling Stone, who claim that Mariah > is an insult to artists such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the > late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. > > > Love, > > Nuri > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > From the new Rolling Stone: > > 3Imagine my disbelief to see Mariah Carey on the cover. I can9t recall an > artist who has recorded more dreck than her. Every time one of Mariah9s > sixth-grade fans buys one of her records, it9s a slap in the face to true > female artists such and Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Aretha > Franklin.2 > > Jerry > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. - --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:30:08 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 "Sherelle Smith" wrote: > Interesting, oui. > > This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's >lyrics to expound on a thought. Actually, Didion's title has nothing to do with Joni--her book came out before Joni's song did. They were both inspired by W. B. Yeats: The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all convictions, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc Jerry wrote: << Maybe it's because she has wasted a gorgeous gift with overblown productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. >> Yes, but so has Jimmy and no one mocks him . . . --Smurf > "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever written and performed. I'm > sorry, but for years i've been trying to understand why folks mock her and i > still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling Stone, who claim that Mariah > is an insult to artists such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the > late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. > > > Love, > > Nuri > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > From the new Rolling Stone: > > 3Imagine my disbelief to see Mariah Carey on the cover. I can9t recall an > artist who has recorded more dreck than her. Every time one of Mariah9s > sixth-grade fans buys one of her records, it9s a slap in the face to true > female artists such and Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Aretha > Franklin.2 > > Jerry > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:52:40 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah - Now Very NJC Yeah. And she married the head of SONY records because she was madly in love. > If the girl wants to act in sexy ways, why can't she? When it comes to Mariah, > i see it not as image building, but as who she really is, she said so herself > many times, and i believe her. As is see it, Mariah is an amazing singer and > songwriter, and she didn't waste nothing more than Joni who chose to feed cats > for the rest of her life. > > Love, > > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:02:58 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not studied in Yeats at all! Sherelle Catherine wrote: > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Interesting, oui. > > > > This makes perfect sense that an author would use > > Joni's lyrics to expound > > on a thought. > >Whoa, there! Let's not forget Mr Yeats who wrote the >poem that Joni adapted to her song. And I don't know >the timeframe for when Joan Didion wrote her >"Slouching" and when Joni Mitchell wrote hers. Though >I'd like to think that our Joan reads Didion and vice >versa, who knows (but perhaps an intrepid researcher >with time on her hands, no child to raise might be >tempted), and I think we should give credit where it's >due, to William Butler Yeats: > >------------------------------------- > >The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats > >Turning and turning in the widening gyre >The falcon cannot hear the falconer; >Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; >Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, >The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere >The ceremony of innocence is drowned; >The best lack all convictions, while the worst >Are full of passionate intensity. > >Surely some revelation is at hand; >Surely the Second Coming is at hand. >The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out >When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi >Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert >A shape with lion body and the head of a man, >A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, >Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it >Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. >The darkness drops again; but now I know >That twenty centuries of stony sleep >Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, >And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, >Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? > > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:05:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC despite having a complete distaste for what I will call the smarm divas ( Whitney, Mariah, the Canadian one, etc) I *do* like, for some reason I cannot understand, Gloria Estefan. I find her muy simpatica even tho she's probably a republican. So, thats my confession. Anyone else? :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc - --- Smurf wrote: > Jerry wrote: > > << Maybe it's because she has wasted a gorgeous > gift with overblown > productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. > >> > > > Yes, but so has Jimmy and no one mocks him . . . > > --Smurf > That's because he's cute and cuddly and, if we're nice to him, he will let us borrow his clothes. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:14:36 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem I'm smiling because in my original slouching post I had pasted Yeats' poem, but then deleted it because I figured it was common knowledge here. I am perpetually amazed at how learned and well-read and erudite Joni is with all her biblical and literary references, not to mention her music and lyrics and painting and social conscience and "you know....." How brilliant can one person be? Je m'abaisse devant sa grandeur encore une fois. Love, Patti P., who can't wait to use her Barnes and Noble gift card to buy some Didion books -- lovely (literary) landscapes to discover! >From: "Michael Flaherty" >To: "Sherelle Smith" ,loveuconn@hotmail.com, >joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:30:08 -0600 > >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 > "Sherelle Smith" wrote: >>Interesting, oui. >> >>This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's lyrics to expound >>on a thought. > >Actually, Didion's title has nothing to do with Joni--her book came out >before Joni's song did. They were both inspired by W. B. Yeats: > >The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats > >Turning and turning in the widening gyre >The falcon cannot hear the falconer; >Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; >Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, >The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere >The ceremony of innocence is drowned; >The best lack all convictions, while the worst >Are full of passionate intensity. > >Surely some revelation is at hand; >Surely the Second Coming is at hand. >The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out >When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi >Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert >A shape with lion body and the head of a man, >A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, >Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it >Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. >The darkness drops again; but now I know >That twenty centuries of stony sleep >Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, >And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, >Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? > >Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:26:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC - --- Em wrote: > despite having a complete distaste for what I will > call the smarm divas > ( Whitney, Mariah, the Canadian one, etc) I *do* > like, for some reason > I cannot understand, Gloria Estefan. I find her muy > simpatica even tho > she's probably a republican. > So, thats my confession. > Anyone else? > :) > Em I love Gloria's "Mi tierra" album. I just have it on cassette though. I will confess that I have another of hers too, where she covers songs that were popular when she was young. Can't remember the name or any of the songs, but there's no Joni, alas. There are the occasional songs-by-smarm-divas that I like, if not the divas themselves. Generally the upbeat ones, not the ballads. I liked some of Whitney's earlier stuff (e.g. I wanna dance with somebody! or whatever it's called). Those are fun dance numbers. If I can think of other smarm-divas to confess to, I'll let you know. Bette Midler can be smarmy sometimes and is certainly a diva, but I don't think she counts in this case. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:25:04 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not studied in Yeats at all! > >Sherelle > > But now you "are" -- because you know life is for learning on the JMDL! ; ) It's your vehicle, baby, it'll take you anywhere you want to go! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:32:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > > > > >My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not > studied in Yeats at all! > > > >Sherelle > > > > > > But now you "are" -- because you know life is for > learning on the JMDL! ; ) Parlette, la parleuse, beat me to that. Life IS for learning. Here's another Joni line for ya, Sherelle, "No apologies!" No need to apologize here. If I came across as preachy, pedantic and a wise-ass, I'd apologize, but y'know... I'm not that learned, but I did study some Yeats in first year university. I'm surprised I remember anything from back then. I certainly don't remember what happened yesterday, for example! > It's your vehicle, baby, it'll take you anywhere > you want to go! > That song had a great horn riff in it and I'll take it over "Cherish" any day! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I'll let you know. Bette Midler can be smarmy > sometimes and is certainly a diva, but I don't think > she counts in this case. yeah I also don't think of her in this category. She is exempt. Also, one other who Vh-1 incuded in their divas "roundup" a few years ago is in my book totally exempt from smarm status. Aretha. Why? Why, SOUL but of course!!!!! she's got it! (understatement of this millenium and the last combined) Bette too. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah That's ok, my dear.:) But let me tell you something. Sometimes a good surprise can come from an unexpected direction. It happened to me more than once that an artist i totaly hated, surprised me with a song i totaly liked. That can make you feel real good and in a special way. For instance Anastasia. I hated her to the core, couldn't hear her voice, not to mention her songs. But then she had this song called "Sick and Tired", and as much as i hated her, i fell in love with that song. That surprised me and i liked that feeling a lot. That i could fall in love with a song by an artist i totaly disliked. And who knows, maybe one day a Mariah song will make you feel the same. What's important is to listen with open ears and never give up upon giving a chance to anyone. Love, Nuri Catherine McKay wrote: Sorry, Nuri, and I've sometimes vowed never to diss other artists, but I absolutely, loathe, detest, nay abhor, Mariah Carey. Ick. Yuck. Ptooey! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:44:36 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc Murphy wrote > Jerry wrote: > > < productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. >> > > > Yes, but so has Jimmy and no one mocks him . . . > > --Smurf > I've told you all before, I dress like Joni. If I feel glitzy, I wear my hideous Issey Miyake dress, or if I'm lounging around, I wear one of the outfits I borrowed from Bea Arthur :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:58:30 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC Hi Em, Me too I cant understand the pull of Gloria Estefan on me since her songs are not really consistently well-written or melodically inventive. She has really good songs that I like, to paraphrase Neruda, without knowing why where when why. Her "Exitos" album is classier than her English-language albums and I like her "Mi Tierra" and "Abriendo Puertas" album a lot. The rhythm, the pulsating beat, the symphony of instruments and her voice that melds itself in the whole musical proceedings. I don't know if Tina Arena qualifies as a smarm-diva but I love this Aussie singer. Her songs may sometimes be only 1-2 chords and she tend to sing the songs with a samey-ness, but man, I love her. Her voice that goes up and gets lost in the dense instruments is like being in the pearly gates of somehting nice. I also liked this 80s-era singer Sheena Easton. She is a good jazz singer too as evidenced by her "No Strings" album. And her chest voice is awesome and can get stratopspheric without resorting to falsetto. But I cant stand Diana Ross (despite her jazz album that I quite like). I don't dislike Mariah because I thought her first two albums were very good if a bit dated now (yes I used to own thyem on cassette tapes but never got them on CD). Celine Dion's French-language album is tolerable and last Christmas, someone gifted me with her latest album "Miracle" (the one where she collaborated with Anne Geddes) and I thought there were very good moments there but for an album that inspires lullabye-like moods, her "If I Could" reminded me of her uber-vocals that grate on my nerves. But "Brahms Lullaby" is cute without being cutesy. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Noam Weinstein "Undone" Em a icrit : despite having a complete distaste for what I will call the smarm divas ( Whitney, Mariah, the Canadian one, etc) I *do* like, for some reason I cannot understand, Gloria Estefan. I find her muy simpatica even tho she's probably a republican. So, thats my confession. Anyone else? :) Em - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:06:00 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem On no Catherine! I just felt bad that I don't know about such a wonderful poet!!! Shameful!!!! Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay > > >--- Patti Parlette wrote: > > > > > > > > >My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not > > studied in Yeats at all! > > > > > >Sherelle > > > > > > > > > > But now you "are" -- because you know life is for > > learning on the JMDL! ; ) > >Parlette, la parleuse, beat me to that. Life IS for >learning. Here's another Joni line for ya, Sherelle, >"No apologies!" No need to apologize here. If I came >across as preachy, pedantic and a wise-ass, I'd >apologize, but y'know... I'm not that learned, but I >did study some Yeats in first year university. I'm >surprised I remember anything from back then. I >certainly don't remember what happened yesterday, for >example! > > > It's your vehicle, baby, it'll take you anywhere > > you want to go! > > > >That song had a great horn riff in it and I'll take it >over "Cherish" any day! > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:08:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: fathers njc >I'm pretty sure I remember reading that Kenny Loggins' "This is it" was also written about his Dad, when his Dad was ill or dying. Maybe you can ask him when you speak to him! I always loved that song.< I think I remember him saying he wrote it after a hospital visit to his father... now I am hearing that song in my head & the way he sings this line "For once in your life, here's your miracle" oy... brings on the tears of missing my mom (can't believe it has been 8 1/2 years since she left)... To paz, mark, patti, Marianne... sending my deep condolences your way ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:17:25 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc And Ed picks his from the Blanche Devaroux line! Jerry :) > Murphy wrote > >> Jerry wrote: >> >> <> productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. >> >> >> >> Yes, but so has Jimmy and no one mocks him . . . >> >> --Smurf >> > > I've told you all before, I dress like Joni. If I feel glitzy, I wear my > hideous Issey Miyake dress, or if I'm lounging around, I wear one of the > outfits > I borrowed from Bea Arthur :~) > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: what smarm-divas do we like? NJC Hi Joseph, I haven't actually bought any CD's of Gloria's yet, but may pick up one of the Spanish language ones today. Nice to hear that you (and Catherine too) like them. thanks for your input. Maybe Gloria has an "undertow" of some sort. :) Em - --- Joseph Palis wrote: > Hi Em, > > Me too I cant understand the pull of Gloria Estefan on me since her > songs are not really consistently well-written or melodically > inventive. She has really good songs that I like, to paraphrase > Neruda, without knowing why where when why. Her "Exitos" album is > classier than her English-language albums and I like her "Mi Tierra" > and "Abriendo Puertas" album a lot. The rhythm, the pulsating beat, > the symphony of instruments and her voice that melds itself in the > whole musical proceedings. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:25:57 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah -- njc you have a Dorothy Lamour sarong? :) Em - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I've told you all before, I dress like Joni. If I feel glitzy, I > wear my > hideous Issey Miyake dress, or if I'm lounging around, I wear one of > the outfits > I borrowed from Bea Arthur :~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:47:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! Sherelle >From: "Michael Flaherty" >To: "Sherelle Smith" ,loveuconn@hotmail.com, >joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:30:08 -0600 > >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 > "Sherelle Smith" wrote: >>Interesting, oui. >> >>This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's lyrics to expound >>on a thought. > >Actually, Didion's title has nothing to do with Joni--her book came out >before Joni's song did. They were both inspired by W. B. Yeats: > >The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats > >Turning and turning in the widening gyre >The falcon cannot hear the falconer; >Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; >Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, >The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere >The ceremony of innocence is drowned; >The best lack all convictions, while the worst >Are full of passionate intensity. > >Surely some revelation is at hand; >Surely the Second Coming is at hand. >The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out >When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi >Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert >A shape with lion body and the head of a man, >A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, >Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it >Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. >The darkness drops again; but now I know >That twenty centuries of stony sleep >Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, >And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, >Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? > >Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! > > Sherelle > Quit yer damn apologizing! Ha ha - now you'll have to apologize for apologizing. You can't win, can you? ;-) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:34:44 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm sorry that I'm sorry! My sister constantly threatens me with bodily harm..."If you say I'm sorry one more time!!..." Then I married someone just like me!!! We both drive her over the edge!!! Ha! ha! Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay >To: Sherelle Smith , mflaher3@triton.edu, >loveuconn@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! > > > > Sherelle > > > >Quit yer damn apologizing! Ha ha - now you'll have to >apologize for apologizing. You can't win, can you? >;-) > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:06:46 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: apologies Em wrote: I feel terrible - I posted this before reading Marianne's post about her father. sorry to be a sleaze at such a sad time. My apologies. Em - ----- You *should* feel terrible, you selfish inconsiderate bitch I know how you feel, Em. I wrote that silly breeandmariannaville thing before I heard the news myself. We just didn't know at the time. That happens. See, the Em particles of change and the Patti particles of change must have been orbiting around the sun just behind the Bree particles of change and the Marianne particles of change, at least in digest time. They know that. I don't think we really need to apologize. But if we DO need to slouch in with an apology, I think we should direct all apologies today to Catherine and Sherelle. They got it goin' ON ! (LOL....sorry, ladies!) (Oops! I said "sorry". Sorry!) Love, Patti P. > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! > > > > Sherelle > > > >Quit yer damn apologizing! Ha ha - now you'll have to >apologize for apologizing. You can't win, can you? >;-) > > >Catherine >Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:03:51 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: apologies Yes we do Patti-Patti!!!! Sherelle > >But if we DO need to slouch in with an apology, I think we should direct >all apologies today to Catherine and Sherelle. They got it goin' ON ! >(LOL....sorry, ladies!) (Oops! I said "sorry". Sorry!) > >Love, > >Patti P. > >> >> >>--- Sherelle Smith wrote: >> >> > Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! >> > >> > Sherelle >> > >> >>Quit yer damn apologizing! Ha ha - now you'll have to >>apologize for apologizing. You can't win, can you? >>;-) >> >> >>Catherine >>Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:42:58 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Help them if you can NEW CRISIS HITS HURRICANE VICTIM New Orleans family devastated by Katrina is robbed at gunpoint of $18,000 in FEMA cash at temporary Hayward home http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/16/MNGKTHP2TK1.DTL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:36:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah NJC Just to split a hair, this was not the opinion of RS, it was in a letter to the editor from one Tom Manderfeld in Charlotte, NC. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "James K. Polk" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:43:56 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" > Mariah is an > insult to artists such as Joni> > > Just to split a hair, this was not the opinion of > RS, it was in a letter to the editor from one Tom > Manderfeld in Charlotte, NC. > > Bob Indeed-in fact Mariah was on the cover of RS the issue before-that's what the letter writer was complaining about. And while I'd rather listen to Joni, I'd probably rather *look* at Mariah. There's really only one Mariah song I like; "Vision of Love" from her 1st LP. As to favorite divas, I guess Whitney would be my pick-does Ms. Aguilera count? (past eleven without taking off her shoes?) Although I've never been moved to buy any diva CDs....and could never stand Bette Midler until she did a smokin' duet with Dan Hicks on his comeback record "Beatin' the Heat"..... Sorry ! wait, no I'm not... RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:24:25 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc From: "Sherelle Smith" To: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc > Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm sorry that I'm sorry! My sister constantly threatens me > with bodily harm..."If you say I'm sorry one more time!!..." Then I > married someone just like me!!! We both drive her over the edge!!! Ha! ha! > > Sherelle > This is a running joke with me and Travis. One of us is always saying 'I'm sorry' to the other whether it's appropriate or not. You have to be here. Mark E. trying to get over a nasty head cold/sinus/throat thing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:21:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Mar 17 - May 22 at Mendel: "The Amazing Childhood of Joni Mitchell" Les has all the details at www.jonimitchell.com Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:14:06 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Latest news from JoniMitchell.com Les, this is great news! Per chance, will those of us who cannot make the trip be able to see some of these photos, drawings, writings, and other memorabilia on the website? <> I remember reading an article where Joni said as a child, she always wanted a bowling alley in her basement. I never realized her wish actually came true. (spoiled brat, lol!) <> It still amazes me that teachers used to teach like this back in the day. HOW on EARTH did they DO it??!! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:22:18 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc Oh Mark! That's exactly what Rob and I do! I'm already there!!!! Thanks for letting me know we're not alone!!!! Sherelle >From: "Mark Scott" >To: "Sherelle Smith" >, ,, , >Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:24:25 -0800 > >From: "Sherelle Smith" >To: ; ; >; >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:34 PM >Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem now njc > > >>Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm sorry that I'm sorry! My sister constantly threatens me >>with bodily harm..."If you say I'm sorry one more time!!..." Then I >>married someone just like me!!! We both drive her over the edge!!! Ha! ha! >> >>Sherelle >> > >This is a running joke with me and Travis. One of us is always saying 'I'm >sorry' to the other whether it's appropriate or not. You have to be here. > > >Mark E. trying to get over a nasty head cold/sinus/throat thing ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #97 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------