From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #95 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 095 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Walmart, Home Depot benefits (njc) [] Re: njc Sopranos ["mike pritchard" ] Talking bout my generation (njc) [] Re: njc Sopranos [Smurf ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: How to "Think" and "Discuss" Like a Republican NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: South by Southwest Music Festival [Patti Witten ] Re: dem whiners, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: dem whiners, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Talking bout my generation (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Half Baked or (SJC) [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Half Baked or NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: 5:12Pm thoughts [Catherine McKay ] Terrific Tuesday....sunny, somewhat warm [Peep Richman ] njc, petition for Rumsfeld ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc Sopranos [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] re: How to think and discuss like a republican -njc [dsknyc05 ] Re: njc Sopranos -- season 1 or 2 spoiler [Em ] Re: njc Sopranos -- season 1 or 2 spoiler [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: njc, death and rebirth and death and rebirth [Bob Muller ] Re: Half Baked or NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:50:38 -0800 From: Subject: Walmart, Home Depot benefits (njc) Vince wrote to me because I asked why some people were writing as if certain benefits were not provided to Walmart and Home Depot employees: "we say that because we are hateful antiAmerican communists..." Hmmmm. "or we didn't say that because no on said that, words are being twisted" No, maybe I misinterpreted what they said but someone said only upper management and full time Home Depot employees get stock and profit sharing benefits and it surprised me because I have spoken with part time employees there who raved about such benefits to me. So I looked it up on their website and its right there, with no qualification regarding part-time vs, full time. Another person said Walmart employees could not get health care for their dependents. If you read the link to their benefits, they do offer it. "it is how benefits are handled that is at issue and we said what we said because we love our country" I know there has been controversy about the part time employees issue but it looks like it has been addressed. I also wondered why Walmart is singled out. I've never worked anywhere where part time employees received ANY benefits and the benefits I have received such as medcial, dental, returement, etc., requires some monetary participation from me. It has never been free. "and we do research beyond clipping off a walmart web site" Ha! Actually I spent a number of hours reading a lot about it before posting. Learned lots of interesting takes. It does provide lots of food for discussion. And probably just as many Republicans have a problem with Walmart as the sainted opposition ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:21:39 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: njc Sopranos >>It was just what I WAS expecting, in this way, Vince: great acting and directing (especially the scene where Tony tells Carmela that he had lunch alone at the sushi place.) And the overarching sadness of seeing a family disintegrate.<< Just a gentle request to anyone watching the latest (last?) series of the Sopranos to please be discreet. Over here in Spain we're still watching series 4 (Christopher just gone into rehab and Tony had a quick 'fling' with Svetlana) so could you please flag any soprano comments with SPOILER WARNINGS. Thanks, michael imperioli in bcn np death cab for cutie - we have the facts... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:21:06 -0800 From: Subject: Talking bout my generation (njc) Kira, It's really interesting to me what you wrote: >I think many people of my generation feel a certain resentment towards the > children of the 60s because they often tend to act like their > generation was the best and most influential ever. I'm in the middle range of the boomers but have a good friend who is from "Gen X" and old enough to be your parent. He thinks the "children of the 60s" were disgusting, self absorbed and narcissistic. He was a small child during the 60s but remembers many images from the time on TV. I have argued with him for years that there were many good things that came out of the 60s and if nothing else, we had fantastic music. He will not be moved, even on the music front. (And by the way, his parents were "progressives" at the time). I saw both sides of it - a lot of that time was very destructive and self indulgent. I don't judge others who want to take different drugs but the drug abuse ruined many people who I grew up with. And a lot of them were kind of in a frozen state of haze for many years. The other side was the idealism and hope and the "love." > I'm not saying the 60s and 70s didn't bring about many incredibly > important changes, changes from which I myself have benefited, but > sometimes > it seems that generation must live in the present, not the 60s I have been saying that since the 70s ;-) >- and my generation must stop trying to prove themselves. It does seem like each generation wants to find there own way and not follow the way of their parents. Boomers generally saw their parents as narrow, close-minded and uptight and they didn't want to be what they perceived their parents' generation to be. > Social activism and social justice should be about just that, not about > image. Sometimes the most effective change and betterment of society occurs on an smalller, individual to individual basis. You help or inspire one person and they pass it on and it radiates outwardly. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc Sopranos - --- Mike wrote: > please flag any soprano > comments with SPOILER WARNINGS. Thanks, MIke. And there are those of us -- me, anyway -- in the US who do not have HBO and are still waiting to get season 5 on DVD. - --Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:04:47 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] written on your spirit this sad song written on your spirit this sad song written on your spirit this sad song from joni to us to patti to me and bree to you _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:07:03 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: How to "Think" and "Discuss" Like a Republican NJC The whining....would be more true for today..Jerry....I wasn't really thinking of yesteryear. But your are right..fight on..I'm all for that... Iv'e heard some of MLK speeches..he was a fighter..peaceful...but definitely not a whiner. Bree > > My biggest complaint with SOME democrats/liberals is the whining..why so > > much whining? At times they seem so morose...humorless. Yes..this > > country has faults and has done some pretty grievous things...but for >the > > most we try to right the wrong. The national civil rights act comes to > > mind. > >I guess the same could have been said about the democrats/liberals who >whined and fought for those Civil Rights until they were fought for and >won. >There were plenty of immigrants fighting to get here, my great grandfather >and great grandmother among them, but at the same time we were treating >Black to segregation. Does that mean that those rights shouldn't have been >whined about, or fought for, just because people were trying to get here >because their own countries. They were coming here for economic, not >social, >opportunities, though many found discrimination similar to those afforded >Blacks. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:15:18 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: South by Southwest Music Festival Julius wrote: > I fly out to Austin, TX at the crack o' dawn tomorrow to attend the huge SxSW > music conference and showcase. I'll be there for a week. Julius (and anyone else going to SXSW) you must check out Alexi Murdoch, my newest favorite songwriter. Sat March 19 Town Lake Stage at Auditorium Shores 5:00pm http://www.aleximurdoch.com/ http://myspace.com/aleximurdoch Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:16:25 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: not liberty and justice for all, njc Bree wrote: A teacher I know tells her students that when saying the Pledge Of Allegiance that the students DON'T have to say ..WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL....because in this country there ISN'T liberty and justice for all. I'm calling the cops. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:14:26 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: dem whiners, njc One who thinks Bush is an imposter yet supports his war wrote: My biggest complaint with SOME democrats/liberals is the whining..why so much whining? Hi Bush woman, Do dems whine? I know they wine and dine. Many are mighty fine, under par by hole nine. I think it all has to do with winning. Winning clips the whining. Repubs whine too though. Just listen to Rush Limwhiner. His whole voice is one big sick whine. One time my AA sponsor called her sponsor who didn't have caller ID but answered the phone, "hello Angi." Angi asked her, "how did you know it was me?" Her sponsor said, "I could tell by the whine in the ring." Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:04:42 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Half Baked or (SJC) Something about Marianne... While polishing off the last we have in the house of Ben & Jerry's ice cream this morning...(sorry..babe)..flavor..half baked (chunks of brownies mingled with cookie dough)...oh so good and way early for me to be eating ice cream...anyway..I thought I would relay a little story/incident from last night. Marianne was at her job yesterday...an exhausting job..teaching inner city school kids...then after leaving school she goes to see her father at hospice . Something she has done everyday since early January...the woman is physically..emotionally drained. She got home about 8:15P last night ..I was upstairs in the bedroom watching the repeat of American Masters...The Music Of Joni Mitchell. In her need to relax ..to unwind..she proceeds to have a few glasses of wine..and possibly a few tokes of smoke? She comes upstairs.. sits at the foot of bed and proceeds to write down some of Joni wisdoms...and grooving to the music. Next thing she's up..and downstairs she goes..which I follow... I hear her dialing the phone...I ask her ..who you calling..."I'm calling PBS to pledge some money." (I forgot to mention the station was having a fund drive with breaks in between American Masters) SHe told she wants to give money to them for showing Joni ..BUT DOESN'T WANT ANY MORE MAIL..junk mail..to come to the house..not even from PBS. SO she finally gets to speak to a volunteer at the station ..gives her name,...address..phone #..then I hear her say to the person on the other end of the phone the following: "I want to give but I don't want any more mail to come to my house..no more junk mail!! Now if I could be assured you wouldn't send me anything ...I would donate." I heard Marianne saying again.."Are you sure I wouldn't get any?" Then incredulously I heard her tell the volunteer ..."Send me a letter telling me that you won't send any mail to my house and I'll send you a donation." "I want it in writing!" With that...Marianne hung up. ................................................ I said to her..you realize.... you just told that woman to send you MAIL telling you that they won't send you any mail ???? We'll see if that piece of mail arrives. This is the same woman who asked the cloistered nun ...IF she had hair under there..meaning her habit. The Dominican nun said ...yes...and took off her habit to show us. I kid you not!! When Laura visited us last summer she wanted us to drive with her on a little day trip to Elmira ,NY to see a friend of hers..who happens to be a cloistered nun. That was quite an experience ..there was even a partition ..the three of us on one side and the sister on the other. Thought I share...thanks for reading.... little things I will always remember...it's the little things.. Love... Bree ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:12:46 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: dem whiners, njc >Hi Bush woman, Not even going there. > Repubs whine too though. Just listen to Rush Limwhiner. His whole >voice is one big sick whine. El Rushbo is a lot of things...but definitley not a whiner! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:23:40 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: dem whiners, njc Bree wrote: El Rushbo is a lot of things...but definitley not a whiner! Bree, I think you have a typo here. You probably meant to say he's definitely not a winner. Air Masters is here to put a part on our heater and charge us lots of money. We don't even hardly use our heater. Think that's why the part went bad. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:51:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Talking bout my generation (njc) And no matter what anyone says or thinks about the 60's, I wouldn't have traded living through them for any other time period since. I used to hear my grandmother talk about how exciting the 20's were, and I guess that is the closest we've come. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:01:47 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Half Baked or (SJC) Bree wrote: While polishing off the last we have in the house Hi Bush woman, You polished something else recently too didn't you? Lady bugs ring a bell? Ladies and gentle bugs on this list, be it known that Bree polishes lady bugs with Pledge before spraying them with Raid. She does she does she does she does she does she does! of Ben & Jerry's ice cream How gay. In her need to relax ..to unwind..she proceeds to have a few glasses of wine..and possibly a few tokes of smoke? So that's how she unwhines? She comes upstairs.. I thought you said you weren't going there. ASIDE: I just got the strangest phone call. We always let the answering machine get it so here's the message: Ring, ring, ring... hey this is Les, I'm underneath the house, are you there? Hello... "Send me a letter telling me that you won't send any mail to my house and I'll send you a donation." "I want it in writing!" With that...Marianne hung up. Thanks for the good laugh. I've heard of people using creative ways not to give donations so they don't feel guilty but this is the best! I think she's been watching too many penguin movies lately... got that wobbling down good in her head now. I said to her..you realize.... you just told that woman to send you MAIL telling you that they won't send you any mail ???? We'll see if that piece of mail arrives. I bet Alan will deliver it certified mail while she's in the shower... and that won't stop him will it? This is the same woman who asked the cloistered nun ...IF she had hair under there..meaning her habit. The Dominican nun said ...yes...and took off her habit to show us. Bree? She took off her habit? Do you know what a habit is? This might be wishful thinking on your part, but she only took off her veil if I remember correctly. I don't think even Marianne would be brave enough to ask her if she has hair under her habit. I kid you not!! When Laura visited us last summer she wanted us to drive with her on a little day trip to Elmira ,NY to see a friend of hers..who happens to be a cloistered nun. She's a dayayay tripper... That was quite an experience ..there was even a partition ..the three of us on one side and the sister on the other. Yeah she was behind the partition for protection from people who eat chunky Ben and Jerry ice cream in the morning, spray Lady Bugs with Pledge before Raid, make harassing phone calls to PBS, and ask nuns rather personal questions about hair... Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:31:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Half Baked or NJC - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > This is the same woman who asked the cloistered nun > ...IF she had hair under > there..meaning her habit. The Dominican nun said > ...yes...and took off > her habit to show us. The whole thing? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 5:12Pm thoughts - --- Peep Richman wrote: > Just read the Digest (today's I think) and I have > some thoughts, etc. to share. > I can't wait to see "March of the > Penguins"....soon. Thanks for the beautifully > written, descriptive and insightful sentences, Bree. It is a lovely film. I never knew anything about penguins before. In fact, I had never even thought much about penguins. I was surprised at how tiny they are. I can't get over the fact that any creature can exist in the inhospitable climate of Antarctica. > Kira, I am really a child of the 60's and found > your thoughts so very stimulating. Oh how I agree: > we MUST stop competing (ALL generations) and work > together toward continued and consistent positive > change. After Kira posted, the words to a song started coming in to my head, but it took me all day to figure out whose song it was. Mike and the Mechanics' "Living years" was the song. "Every generation blames the one before, And all of our frustrations come beating on your door, I know that I'm a prisoner to all my father held so dear, I know that I'm a hostage to all his hopes and fears, I just wish I could have told him in the living years." I googled the first line to get the rest, and whaddya know - the website I came to includes a couple of extracts from Joni songs too. http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/arts/age_songs.html Apart from that, that particular website isn't all that great. I suppose it's meant to be a jumping-off point. There are many more songs I'm sure we all could think of that fit the generation gap/wars theme. Many of Joan's songs certainly fit the bill. Anyone that wants to take up that thread is welcome to - I've got to get back to my friggin' house painting. My father, who died on March 24, 1981, > lived in "The Greatest Generation"...the mighty > depression and the unmentionable horrors of World > War 11. I never realized, until you wrote, Kira, > that, indeed, I live in that generation's shadow. > My father was a simple man; a man of so few > possessions. Yet, after his death, my mother and I > discovered, hidden deep within his closet, a huge > oblong box of approximately 40 pairs of brand new, > never worn shoes. Certainly this speaks to the > immense poverty imprint of the Depression. My Dad hung on to everything too and he kept very good care of all his things. He still had the suit he was married in, and it still fit him (sometimes - he would go up and down in weight), but it never looked out of style either. He was very good at recycling and in thinking about the future and the ramifications of what we do now on what comes later. > Upon reflection, there were some/many of the > baby-boomers who appeared to protest for the sheer > "enjoyment" of protesting. I wasn't one of them. I > protested...attended every March....with Martin...oh > what a memory...I was extremely serious. Yet, I > gladly let my bra fly out the car window one > afternoon, got caught in the feminist's exploration > of their thoughts, and dare I say, complex > feelings?! I tossed my birth-control pills off a > cliff in Big Sur one August afternoon. Come to > think of it, I have so many very, very complex > feelings about my generation. Kira, you ignited my > immediate exploration, that has been stagnant, I > fear....and I thank you. There are a lot of things about the "boomer" generation (of which I am part) that piss me off. For one thing, the word "boomer". (Let's not get started on "words we hate" again!) It has always annoyed me the way "we" think that "we" are the be-all and end-all and somehow more special than anyone else. It may be that previous generations thought that way too. I can see how younger generations might be resentful that we lot seem to be constantly in the spotlight. I live in fear of growing old with so many others and feel for the younger ones that are either going to have to take care of us or... take care of us. I also resent the fact that so many one-time idealists turned into capitalist pigs. (Some of these pigs were never idealists, it's true.) I'm not condemning capitalism per se. It's the utter magnitude of the greed of some that disgusts me, as in the Walmart (but you know, there may be more) discussion. I don't think any of us needs to be that rich. There's plenty to share. And there's that constant apparent need to have more of everything. Thanks, Kira, for bringing this up. My daughter was born in 1987 and my son in 1990. Based on their friends I've met, and other young people I meet through work, I have a lot of hope for your generation. There are lots of very kind, very good young people out there, and I like them a lot. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Terrific Tuesday....sunny, somewhat warm Hi Joni-soul-mates, Just finished reading yesterday's Digest. Dearest Cassy, I am so sorry for all your medical and related horrors. What a brave soul you are, my dear. An inspiration, too!!!! And very insightful. I think I saw James Blunt on Oprah....but I'm not sure. The song I heard was magnificent, as was the harp playing. The CD had the word "sacred" in it. Is this James Blunt??? David, as far the NYC Sopranos....agree COMPLETELY. Em, try this..."an early bloomer could have given birth to a late BLOOMER!!!!!! DRAT....just got a phone call...TROUBLE in someones life and I'm off and running. I need Paz' e-mail address. Marianne and Bree...will write later. Had some thoughts to share but the trouble is urgent.... later, Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:32:24 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, death and rebirth and death and rebirth READER BEWARE: I'm digging down deep, losing good sleep, making me heavy company, so scroll on by if you want to "...Keep things light Keep your worries out of sight And play it cool..." Our Marianne wrote: with death comes rebirth. . it is not just a death day or a death week. . it is a death couple of months and it might be a death year. . . - ---------------- Sweet Marianne: I know, I know. A death month...a death year....hmmmm...."A Year of Magical Thinking" by Joan Didion. Has anyone read it? I have not yet, but saw an excerpt that made me think of Joni's lyrics (there is not much that does not make me think of her lyrics!) and my own recent experience: People will tell you where they've gone They'll tell you where to go But til you get there yourself you never really know. Now read this from Joan Didion's book: "Grief turns out to be a place none of us know until we reach it. We anticipate (we know) that someone close to us could die, but we do not look beyond the few days or weeks that immediately follow such an imagined death. We misconstrue the nature of even those few days or weeks. We might expect if the death is sudden to feel shock. We do not expect this shock to be obliterative, dislocating to both body and mind. We might expect that we will be prostrate, inconsolable, crazy with loss. We do not expect to be literally crazy, cool customers who believe that their husband is about to return and need his shoes. . . . Nor can we know ahead of the fact (and here lies the heart of the difference between grief as we imagine it and grief as it is) the unending absence that follows, the void, the very opposite of meaning, the relentless succession of moments during which we will confront the experience of meaninglessness itself." (Phew. Now I have to close my eyes and take a moment of silence and reflection.) Marianne and I have been comforting each other a lot -- quelle coincidence that both of our dads are named Richard, and that we are going through this same "year of magical thinking". The last time I saw my Richard was in August of 2005 in his kitchen, when we said what we both *knew* (but left unspoken) was our final goodbye. Our usual one hug goodbye turned into four because I kept going back for more, knowing they were our last. (Ouch ouch ouch.) I also just shared with Marianne (and no one else in my "normal" life, because who else would understand?) how the other night the wind was in from Utah -- last night I couldn't sleep -- and how I was hearing, over and over and over again, Joni's voice singing in my head..."ooooh love is gone, love is gone....written on your spirit this sad song....love is gone....written on your spirit this sad song....love is gone...". It was beginning to drive me crazy because I could not shut it off and get some sleep. But finally I did, and the next morning I woke up feeling a teeny bit more peaceful, as if Joni *made* me feel this harsh reality as a way to process it and accept it. Now it is a tattoo. (Am I making any sense?) This experience is so deeply personal, but also so universal. I have been comforted by so many of you who have "been there". Words that especially spoke to me, and keep me feeling half-way sane, are these, from a wonderfully wise JMDL woman: "When I lost my father I felt a little disconnected in a metaphysical way for awhile but gradually the pieces that shatter begin to reform and reintegrate. I also feel that he is still with me - just in another place." Holy Joni, is that helpful!!! Thank you, Joni Sister! I know no one's going to show me everything, but you really showed me a lot with that. And now my heart goes out to Mark E. again (both of us had to hurriedly fly out to four-letter states that begin and end with vowel sounds) and especially to dear Paz on his funereal flights, just beginning this long journey in the "year of magical thinking." Bless you both, and your families. A big hug to all, with apologies for being so heavy and oversharing today. (Do you think I need to learn to open up a little more?) But, hey -- Marianne started it!!!! Love, Patti P. P.S. On all of my flights, I wore my Cassy-made "JMDL Carnegie Hall 2006" pin with love and pride. Best of health to you, Cherie! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:36:22 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc Sopranos - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike pritchard" > Just a gentle request to anyone watching the latest (last?) series of the > Sopranos to please be discreet. Over here in Spain we're still watching > series > 4 (Christopher just gone into rehab and Tony had a quick 'fling' with > Svetlana) so could you please flag any soprano comments with SPOILER > WARNINGS. I haven't seen anything in this thread yet that qualifies as a spoiler, but you might want to look away now... the tenuous joni content in the surprise scene Vince was alluding to was accompanied by an old recording (by ?) of "Comes Love" (which the Joan, of course, recorded). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:03:06 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, petition for Rumsfeld Dear American Jonilisters: Here is a petition to Rumsfeld that needs to be signed ASAP (only if you agree, of course!) because it will be delivered in 48 hours. It won't take you but a minute. Here is the gist of it, followed by the link. "I join Senator Barbara Boxer in urging you to develop a plan for getting our troops out of harm's way in the increasingly likely event of a full-scale Iraqi civil war -- and to share that plan with the relevant committees in Congress, so the American people can be assured that the Administration has planned for the worst-case scenario." http://ga4.org/campaign/iraqicivilwar Thank you, and please pass the word if you can. Peace, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:02:14 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: njc Sopranos No spoliers in this email other than Carmella runs off with the priest and Silvio and Vito have been having a gay love affair... Tony does make reference to Artie Shaw when that song is playing and I assumed that was his version at the time of the incident we are not referring to. How does anyone live only in Season 4? You are stronger people than I. In an internet age to live when the information is out there... I am most impressed. It also means we really cannot discuss it in the JMDL - after all these years finally found the topic we cannot discuss - which kind of saddens me. Oh well. Vince - -------------- Original message -------------- From: Randy Remote > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike pritchard" > > Just a gentle request to anyone watching the latest (last?) series of the > > Sopranos to please be discreet. Over here in Spain we're still watching > > series > > 4 (Christopher just gone into rehab and Tony had a quick 'fling' with > > Svetlana) so could you please flag any soprano comments with SPOILER > > WARNINGS. > > I haven't seen anything in this thread yet that qualifies as a spoiler, but > you might want to > look away now... the tenuous joni content in the surprise scene Vince was > alluding to was > accompanied by an old recording (by ?) of "Comes Love" (which the Joan, of > course, recorded). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:10:58 -0800 (PST) From: dsknyc05 Subject: re: How to think and discuss like a republican -njc - --- mia _ wrote: > I, too, cannot understand why Clinton is often > brought up during political > discussions. ... I quietly said that I was one of those who > voted for Kerry. He > started hurling some insults and proceeded to talk > about Clinton's zipper > problem. I replied with, Well, I didn't know > Clinton was on the ballot, but > hmm, let's see, blow job with record budget surplus, > or fork the American > people with record budget deficit (gee, that's a > tough one) Or, one lie from Clinton about an indiscretion in his personal life versus Bush's (and his administration's) lies that have caused over 25,000 American casualties and at least a hundred thousand destroyed lives and families in Iraq, most of them not the terrorists Bush is supposedly fighting against. Just death and destruction for no honest reason. And his lies continue. So it really is bizarre to me when conservatives on tv news talk shows twist themselves into knots in order to praise Bush and whatever current mess he's gotten us all into, and then when the challenge to what they're saying continues, they literally get squirmy and then mention Clinton, which makes so little sense it usually stops the conversation. Recently one interviewer I saw laughed at a conservative who used that trick again, but most interviewers just move on to another topic. > - - He then > asked me if I was a small business owner, to which I > replied no, and he then > said "case closed" and walked away in a huff > (coward!) so I could not get > another peep in. (apparently my opinion means > nothing because I am not a > small business owner, though I do Know plenty of > business owners who voted > against Bush.) That's another mystery to me... why do people think Bush is on the side of small business owners? Oh, right, because he says he is, and talks about having an ownership society. Again, though, what he says doesn't match his policies. How many small business owners can pay for health insurance for their employees? And if they can't do that, how do they attract and keep (and do right by) the employees they need? About two weeks after registering my new small business in New York, I got a call from the Republican National Committe looking for a donation. Yuck is putting it mildly. First call I've ever gotten from a Republican fundraiser. The woman sounded like a true believer. She gave me her energetic spiel about how now that I was a business owner I'd want to support George Bush and the Republicans because they ... I blanked out, feeling like I'd dropped into some evil alternate universe. I finally managed to say, "what makes you think I support George Bush just because I've started this little business?" I didn't get any response to that. Then I said, "I think George Bush is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country." And I heard gagging sputtery sounds. Guess she didn't have anything in her script for how to respond to that. I told her to never call me again (just in case she hadn't gotten that message yet). It is so offensive that the Republicans are trolling the registration lists of new business owners and automatically assuming they'll have their support. The truth of the situation is that most new small business owners are trying to find a way to survive in this economically precarious environment that Bush's policies have helped create. > The whole thing just seemed so scripted. I mean the > guy walking away from me > was reminiscent of the right wing radio talk show > hosts hanging up on people > who are desperately trying to get their valid points > across. People like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter (and lots of others whose names I don't know) have taught current conservatives that "think" means repeat, and "discuss" means insult, demean, and feel good about it. It was during Reagan's years that the "equal time for all sides" rule on tv and radio was done away with, which allowed right-wing radio to come into being. It's ugly. And unfortunately for all of us millions of people listen and learn from it. > And I'm not > saying all republicans act like this... There are a few Republicans I like to listen to, even though I don't usually agree with them... people like Andrew Sullivan, Pat Buchanan, even Joe Scarborough. They are among the very few conservative talkers who do not follow the steps I listed, and their unpredictability and knowledge about the issues make them interesting to me. They're rare these days. Debra Shea Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:50:12 -0800 (PST) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Whining? Really? NJC (was How to "Think" and "Discuss" Like a Republican) - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I ask any of you ...In what other country on the > face of the earth can one > become a travel agent in just one week!? I saw > this advertisement in my > inbox this morning and I thought only here..only > here! LOL! You mean, what? Other countries don't have travel agents? Other countries make travel agents get a college degree or some kind of appropriate training first? How awful! How many other countries have you been in, Bree? I don't get the impression your "America's THE BEST" is based on any first-hand experience of other places. > My biggest complaint with SOME democrats/liberals is > the whining..why so > much whining? At times they seem so > morose...humorless. Yes..this > country has faults and has done some pretty grievous > things...but for the > most we try to right the wrong. Not much sign of that these days. Can't right the wrongs when the people in charge don't see that anything's wrong. Whining? What's with that? Right away you dismiss other views as whining. That's predictable. The Bushies do the same thing. The only whining Democrat I know of is Senator Joseph Lieberman, who has such a nasally whiny way of talking I can't listen to him. He's such a pro-Bush Democrat that most conservatives love him. Go figure... the Democrat who's actually whiney is okay but anyone with a different view gets dismissed with an insult. > But debate is good..I'm all for it I could have > been born in Iraq .. > where until just recently there was no debate. And when the theocracy's in place, there will be no debate again. > The biggest reason for the divide is just seeing > the world differently..and > thus clinging to our little pockets of truth. Some people cling to what they're told more than others do. Of course, my "some people" would probably be different than yours. Please take all this with a big grain of salt, Bree. There's plenty of things in life to be more concerned about. Bush and agreeing or disagreeing is sometimes not the most important thing in the world. My heart goes out to you, who's helping Marianne, and Patti and Mark and Michael and anyone here who's feeling the loss or impending loss of a loved one. It's very hard to say goodbye. Debra Shea Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc Sopranos -- season 1 or 2 spoiler Vince wrote: << It also means we really cannot discuss it in the JMDL - after all these years finally found the topic we cannot discuss - which kind of saddens me. Oh well. >> On the bright side, we can discuss the first 4 seasons as far as I'm concerned! Or go ahead and discuss away and pre-season 5 people can delete. I never even saw a Sopranos episode until my accident in August when someone gave me DVDs of the first two seasons. I loved Christopher's experience of hell when he was clincally dead for a few minutes -- especially at this time of year. --Smurf - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:05:37 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: njc Sopranos -- season 1 or 2 spoiler The Sopranos was a show I never ever expected to like and yet -it completely drew me in. SOOOOOOOOOOO weird!!!!!! Whoever makes that show has a WICKED sense of humor and WICKED kinky taste in music too. The thing that made me bust out laughing the hardest was one time when Ralph Cifarretto answers the phone from bed, and Janice S. is in bed behind him, and then you realize she's back there f-ing him in the ass with (presumeably) a fake phallus of some sort. hahahhahahahahahahahhahahaaaaaaaa..... who would DO that!!!!! who would show it on TV????????? but there are so many millions more of those little tidbits. We quit our premium cable right at the end of season 5, now I REALLY feel the need to re-up so I can see the rest of this. :) Em ps: anybody have that soundtrack CD the one with the Lost Boys (aka Steven VanZants band) "Affection"? I just think that is a near perfect pop rock tune. Like I wish I could hear Patti Smith do that tune. - --- Smurf wrote: > Vince wrote: << It also means we really cannot discuss it in the > JMDL - after all these years finally found the topic we cannot > discuss - which kind of saddens me. Oh well. >> > > > On the bright side, we can discuss the first 4 seasons as far as > I'm concerned! > > Or go ahead and discuss away and pre-season 5 people can delete. > > I never even saw a Sopranos episode until my accident in August > when someone gave me DVDs of the first two seasons. I loved > Christopher's experience of hell when he was clincally dead for a few > minutes -- especially at this time of year. > > --Smurf > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:32:02 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: njc Sopranos -- season 1 or 2 spoiler Exactly right on all counts. Vince - -------------- Original message -------------- From: Em > The Sopranos was a show I never ever expected to like and yet -it > completely drew me in. SOOOOOOOOOOO weird!!!!!! Whoever makes that show > has a WICKED sense of humor and WICKED kinky taste in music too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:48:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, death and rebirth and death and rebirth A moving post, Patti - brings to mind my 'last conversation' with my Mom back in '89. On a happier note, I got my CARE package today - thanks a million. The magnet will go on the fridge and the candy bar in my belly. Valerie said she wants the wrapper for her bulletin board at school, and she's picking the Huskies to go all the way in the NCAA. Don't let her down. Love & Peace from SC, Bob - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > READER BEWARE: I'm digging down deep, losing > good sleep, making me heavy > company, so scroll on by if you want to > "...Keep things light > Keep your worries out of sight > And play it cool..." > > > Our Marianne wrote: > > with death comes rebirth. . it is not just a > death day or a death week. . it > is a death couple of months and it might be a > death year. . . > > ---------------- > > Sweet Marianne: I know, I know. A death > month...a death > year....hmmmm...."A Year of Magical Thinking" > by Joan Didion. Has anyone > read it? I have not yet, but saw an excerpt > that made me think of Joni's > lyrics (there is not much that does not make me > think of her lyrics!) and my > own recent experience: > > People will tell you where they've gone > They'll tell you where to go > But til you get there yourself you never really > know. > > Now read this from Joan Didion's book: > > "Grief turns out to be a place none of us know > until we reach it. We > anticipate (we know) that someone close to us > could die, but we do not look > beyond the few days or weeks that immediately > follow such an imagined death. > We misconstrue the nature of even those few > days or weeks. We might expect > if the death is sudden to feel shock. We do not > expect this shock to be > obliterative, dislocating to both body and > mind. We might expect that we > will be prostrate, inconsolable, crazy with > loss. We do not expect to be > literally crazy, cool customers who believe > that their husband is about to > return and need his shoes. . . . Nor can we > know ahead of the fact (and here > lies the heart of the difference between grief > as we imagine it and grief as > it is) the unending absence that follows, the > void, the very opposite of > meaning, the relentless succession of moments > during which we will confront > the experience of meaninglessness itself." > > (Phew. Now I have to close my eyes and take a > moment of silence and > reflection.) > > Marianne and I have been comforting each other > a lot -- quelle coincidence > that both of our dads are named Richard, and > that we are going through this > same "year of magical thinking". The last time > I saw my Richard was in > August of 2005 in his kitchen, when we said > what we both *knew* (but left > unspoken) was our final goodbye. Our usual one > hug goodbye turned into four > because I kept going back for more, knowing > they were our last. (Ouch ouch > ouch.) I also just shared with Marianne (and > no one else in my "normal" > life, because who else would understand?) how > the other night the wind was > in from Utah -- last night I couldn't sleep -- > and how I was hearing, over > and over and over again, Joni's voice singing > in my head..."ooooh love is > gone, love is gone....written on your spirit > this sad song....love is > gone....written on your spirit this sad > song....love is gone...". It was > beginning to drive me crazy because I could not > shut it off and get some > sleep. But finally I did, and the next morning > I woke up feeling a teeny > bit more peaceful, as if Joni *made* me feel > this harsh reality as a way to > process it and accept it. Now it is a tattoo. > (Am I making any sense?) > > This experience is so deeply personal, but also > so universal. I have been > comforted by so many of you who have "been > there". Words that especially > spoke to me, and keep me feeling half-way sane, > are these, from a > wonderfully wise JMDL woman: "When I lost my > father I felt a little > disconnected in a metaphysical way for awhile > but gradually the pieces that > shatter begin to reform and reintegrate. I > also feel that he is still with > me - just in another place." Holy Joni, is > that helpful!!! Thank you, > Joni Sister! I know no one's going to show me > everything, but you really > showed me a lot with that. > > And now my heart goes out to Mark E. again > (both of us had to hurriedly fly > out to four-letter states that begin and end > with vowel sounds) and > especially to dear Paz on his funereal flights, > just beginning this long > journey in the "year of magical thinking." > Bless you both, and your > families. > > A big hug to all, with apologies for being so > heavy and oversharing today. > (Do you think I need to learn to open up a > little more?) But, hey -- > Marianne started it!!!! > > Love, > > Patti P. > > P.S. On all of my flights, I wore my > Cassy-made "JMDL Carnegie Hall 2006" > pin with love and pride. Best of health to > you, Cherie! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:07:09 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Half Baked or NJC Lol here...no..just her veil. In fact..she told us she had just cut her own hair. She had very beautiful hair...it looked like it had been cut by a professional. She was pretty neat ...we got into politics a little...she is definitely to the left...I liked her. Bree > > This is the same woman who asked the cloistered nun > > ...IF she had hair under > > there..meaning her habit. The Dominican nun said > > ...yes...and took off > > her habit to show us. > >The whole thing? > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:26:48 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Half Baked or NJC Bree wrote: Lol here...no..just her veil. In fact..she told us she had just cut her own hair. She had very beautiful hair...it looked like it had been cut by a professional. She was pretty neat ...we got into politics a little...she is definitely to the left...I liked her. Bree, She's celibate. Love, Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #95 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------