From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #93 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 13 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 093 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Heart of Gold film -- njc plus Johnsons, Siberry and The Streets [Sm] Wal-Mart, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Walmart, Costco benefits (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] was Health Insurance, now Mozart, still NJC - attn PATRICK and KAY ["Cind] Re: Walmart, benefits (njc) [vince ] RE: money for nothing NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] March on... NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Oh man, too much to catch up on . . . . . . [Snapple1984@aol.com] How to "Think" and "Discuss" Like a Republican NJC [dsknyc05 Subject: Re: Heart of Gold film -- njc plus Johnsons, Siberry and The Streets - --- I wrote: > I also spent a lot of > time listening to "A Grand Don't Come Easy" by The > Streets Doh! It's "A Grand Don't Come for Free." (How could I forget that Joni-derived ending to the title . . .) - --Smurf . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:17:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Wal-Mart, njc The closest one to me isn't big but I really like the SuperCenter locations. Unlike the normal sized stores, the SuperCenters have more selection. Today I bought frozen Tilapia, Cod and Catfish, and yellow legal pads. Plus two stainless steel, retractable, Japanese-made pens for $2.59. I agree that someone should stop their mean-spirited personnel practices. I've looked at Wal-Mart from both sides... Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:19:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Walmart, Costco benefits (njc) >Why are some of you saying they do not offer benefits?? Look here: http://www.walmartfacts.com/walmart-benefits.aspx the point that was made, I believe, is how they get around offering so many of their employees benefits, by hiring many part time (someone said 27 hours per week?)... having once worked for an org like that I know how easily it is to increase the bottom line on the backs of those who you depend on & take advantage of because you are the biggest employer in town... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:30:41 -0600 From: "Cindy Vickery" Subject: was Health Insurance, now Mozart, still NJC - attn PATRICK and KAY <> and speaking of hanging out with the people of the JMDL.... I'll be in NYC on Saturday 03/25 for this, etc etc. http://www.stonewallchorale.org/schedule.html Join us, anyone?? Patrick? Kay? Kay, are you playing anywhere that weekend? cindy _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:35:56 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Walmart, benefits (njc) >>Why are some of you saying they do not offer benefits?? Look here: >> >> > >http://www.walmartfacts.com/walmart-benefits.aspx > > we say that because we are hateful antiAmerican communists... or we didn't say that because no on said that, words are being twisted it is how benefits are handled that is at issue and we said what we said because we love our country and we do research beyond clipping off a walmart web site for starters: http://www.walmarteffectbook.com/ Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:21:48 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: money for nothing NJC Let's not forget Barbara Streisand and Alex Baldwin...they make 7. Oh...I forget ..they only threatened that... but me thinks they are still in the states? ;-) Bree >> >. WHY ..oh WHY..is everyone trying to get into this fabulous country of > >ours? I'm thinking it is because of the opportunity they see because >we > >are capitalistic and all that comes with that.....ownership....the good > >life.... > > >Everybody? I'm always, again, running behind the times, it seems. > >I'm moving to Toronto this summer.< > >My friends recently moved to Vancouver BC & someone else's friends sold >their house here & moved to Europe. So that's around 5 at least. ;~} ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:03:51 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: March on... NJC Marianne and I saw a lovely lovely movie yesterday called.. March Of The Penguins. While watching it I pondered many things...how there must be something out there greater than ourselves to have created these fascinating creatures..these birds who do not fly...swim.. but yet are not fish. This French team who filmed in Antarctica for a year made several references about life.... through the narration of Morgan Freeman (I love his voice..so soothing and nice) the unborn chicks.. whose parents only purpose was to see that these not yet hatched babies made it..no matter the obstacles. How a place so remote...so forbidding in many ways.. can be so beautiful too. And when it was all over I found Ii have a new love.... the penguin. (and for the French ;-) ) See it...you won't be sorry...that's pretty much a guarantee! Bree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:31:34 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh man, too much to catch up on . . . . . . Re: (Walmart Can Rot in Hell) Bree- I don't know where you're from, but I feel the same way you do about the west. I am from Oregon, and we have so many grandiose views - if you saw Farenheit 911, then you saw clips of the wide, unguarded Oregon coast. (Oh, sorry, it's not unguarded, it's got one guy guarding it). But I spend a lot more time in the desert east of the cascades because that's where my family's from. At some points, you can look out for hundreds of miles on brown, yellow, gold and green hills. Whenever I travel I play a lot of Joni - I guess it's that restless quality in her music. Last time I drove up the Columbia River Gorge, I was playing Blue, than driving back on 1-84 at night with all the truckers I played Court and Spark and in the most remote areas, like the tiny town of Monument where my family is from (pop. 160) I played Clouds. The great thing about Joni is she has something for every situation. RE: Walmart Article Em, as regards "your generation" - I'm not sure what generation that is exactly, but many of the songs I write are about the relationship between the baby boomer generation and my own, yet-to-be-named-born-in-1985-generation. I think many people of my generation feel a certain resentment towards the children of the 60s because they often tend to act like their generation was the best and most influential ever. Of course, they lived in the shadow of "The Greatest Generation" - those of the Depression and World War II. As I am writing this, "Fiddle and the Drum" is playing - just by chance. I know so many people who protested th Vietnam War who seem to just protest for the sake of protesting. I believe that if America can create any kind of change, the baby boomer generation and my generation must stop being competitive and work together. Maybe that sounds namby-pamby, but I believe it's true. Again, I'm not saying the 60s and 70s didn't bring about many incredibly important changes, ch anges from which I myself have benefited, but sometimes it seems that generation must live in the present, not the 60s - and my generation must stop trying to prove themselves. Social activism and social justice should be about just that, not about image. I know this isn't what you were talking about, but the generational talk seemed appropriate. Peace and Love :) - Kira (the child of boomers) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: dsknyc05 Subject: How to "Think" and "Discuss" Like a Republican NJC 1. Believe completely whatever any "official" tells you. That official can be President Bush himself or one of his talking points repeaters or a church pastor or the Walmart public relations department. Believe whatever the official says. Go ahead and call it a "fact" or "facts." Feel strong. 2. When a Democrat wonders about the truth of what that official has said, then: a. repeat what that official has said as though the Democrat can't hear, doesn't speak English, has never heard words like "court order", and just repeat again and again whatever the official said. (If you're Bush try to remember what you have been told to keep saying -- it's tricky being the "official" and a parrot at the same time but you can do it.) b. if the Democrat points out that what the official said (and said and said) does not match the official's actions, if you're a right-wing tv or radio talk show host then it's time to launch into insulting the Democrat and mocking even the IDEA that the Democrat would not believe what the official said. It might be time also to repeat even more loudly what the official said. Say it to the Democrat as though the Democrat has an IQ of about minus 100. c. if the Democrat is annoying enough to continue wondering about the truth of what the official said, the next step is to mention the economic system in the U.S., as in "it's better here than anywhere else." Make it seem like the Democrat would rather live in a totalitarian communist country. Surely that's the ONLY reason the Democrat would question anything about the perfect U.S. system. It's a little old-fashioned these days, but it's now time for the Republican to mention the word Marxist. d. if the Democrat still doesn't "get it", then the Republican can call the Democrat unpatriotic, although that may already have happened in step b. If so, then it can be repeated here. There's no need to get original. e. if the Democrat persists in wanting to discuss what the official did versus what the official said, then it's time to tell the Democrat that everyone in the world wants to come to the U.S. so it must be a great place. The Democrat will probably say, yes, it is a great place, and there are many things that could be done to make it even greater. i. The Republican will not hear any agreement because the Republican is busy being full of pride and thinking (briefly, in the seconds before the immigrant issues kick in) of the huddled masses yearning to be free and walk the paths of gold that traverse the U.S., and isn't all that a wonderful thing! God smiles on the U.S. God really loves us, and maybe not all those other people. ii. While the Republican is puffed up, the Democrat wonders how it can be that if "everyone" wants to come to the U.S., there are still people in places like England and France and Japan and all those other crowded places in the world. They are sometimes seen briefly in tv news reports. They do not look like they're packing and getting ready to move. f. When the Democrat still is unable to believe what the official has said because it does not match what the official has done, then the Republican, who has never addressed the actual issue, can pull out the ultimate weapon. It's now time to mention.... CLINTON. Either Clinton did it too or Clinton lied about it or Clinton didn't do it either or maybe Clinton thought about it one day. The Republican's tactic can now be, LOOK AT CLINTON! g. If the Democrat does not want to look at Clinton because what the current official said STILL does not match what that official did, the Republican can now pout and whine and complain that the Democrat is insulting, angry, brittle, a harpy, a Marxist, a defeatist, an isolationist, unpatriotic, unfeeling, treasonous, and just a mean bad person. 3. After the Democrat has left to go and talk to someone who's actually aware of and thinking about what's going on in the world, call yourself a member of the party of ideas and pat yourself and all your fellow Republicans on the back for it. These how tos will work on discussion lists, on tv, and in publications. If an actual insight based on evidence should intrude and rattle the Republican, listening to Ann Coulter for ten seconds will ease the Republican's discomfort, and be a quick refresher course in the use of insults to demean anyone who disagrees with whatever the official said, and thereby manage to avoid discussing the actual issue completely. After those ten seconds, the Republican can once again say, ahhh, all's well in my Republican world. These steps may need to be repeated. Debra Shea, one of those curious, annoying, authority-questioning Democrats Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #93 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------