From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #91 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 12 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 091 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Ian Shaw's album cover [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: A day of Ronee NjC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] re itunes ["mike pritchard" ] Re: re itunesm NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] WW11, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC [Bob Muller ] Camille, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Album Review ["J.DAVID SAPP" ] RE: WW11, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: WW11, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: money for nothing NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC [Em ] All We Are Saying DVD ["Cassy" ] Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC [Em ] njc, it hurts the head ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Camille, njc [Randy Remote ] RE: Walmart article NJC ["arkay o'malley" ] Re: All We Are Saying DVD ["Cassy" ] RE: money for nothing NJC [djp ] Sad news (njc) [] njc, Neil Young: Heart of Gold film ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: All We Are Saying DVD ["Cassy" ] Re: njc, Neil Young: Heart of Gold film [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:04:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Ian Shaw's album cover Thanks, Bob. Joni and the sea...If the seas were a guitar and the oceans strings, Joni would be playing us something new about nature. Love, Nuri Bob Muller wrote: Nuri, This response came from Ian's manager regarding the photo: "This was photographed at Robin Hood Bay in Yorkshire - this is up on the north east coast (North Sea) - on a very cold day in February. It actually snowed later! Ian chose this - he told me that this is what he always associates with Joni - so, yes, to answer the question in your previous email, it was very intentional." Bob NP: The Monkees, "The Door Into Summer" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:41:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: A day of Ronee NjC Hate to burst anyone's bubble but I worked with Ronee about 25 years ago in a stage play (Rain) and she was a horror. Though I do think she was great in Nashville, always on my top 5 film list. Jerry Smurf wrote: > --- Michael wrote: > >> For me, the character she played in >> Altman's Nashville, >> Bobbie-Jean, was one of the great moments in >> American cinema of the 70's. It >> remains with me to this day, some 25 years? later. > > More like 30 years ago, but who's counting. > > --Smurf, who spent some quality time today with the > Johnsons > > . > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:12:20 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re itunes Some of youse may be confused by my mail yesterday responding to and correcting my own earlier mail? Well, it turns out that I forgot to send the original mail, so here it is again, with the correction afterwards. Sorry for any confusion. mike in bcn np Alan Stivell - Olympia Concert >>Dear all, Weird stuff going on in my iTunes this morning. First I hear 'The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald' by the Shuffle Demons (long time no hear), then Suedehead by Morrisey, which I don't remember hearing before (how did it get in my iTunes in the first place?), then Patty Greer singing the Circle Game, very nice. Don't know who's rappin' but it ain't too distractin'. All this because I tuned in to listen to Randall and Claudia's new CD (on its way to Barcelona as I speak; the CD, not R&C, unfortunately). Now playing someone called Houria Aichi seemingly singing in Japanese, or some oriental language at least, but the tracklist has a French title 'Vie Nouvelle', maybe it's from Vietnam or Cambodia, or some former French colony in Indochine. Can't wait for the next track.. Oh, Shabby Doll by Elvis C. Gotta fly, the weekends on its way. Enjoy it y'all Mike Np New York Tendaberry (Hi Kakki) the hits keep coming...<< correction Mr Google tells me Ms Aichi is in fact from Algeria, so forget anything about 'oriental' language, although east/west etc is all relative, no? mike in bcn NP Ani di Franco - Circle of light (thanx to Muller) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: re itunesm NJC Sounds like a very eclectic playlist, Mike. And now I understand the post. Glad you like that Patty Greer, it is a very novel twist on Circle Game. And Claudia & Randall's CD is winging its way to me as well, I bet *I* get mine first - neener neener neener! And new solo Donald Fagen Tuesday that's supposed to be pretty awesome. Bob NP: Chanel Cole, "River" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:34:01 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC > > Em wrote: > > >I saw take it out of the hands of private employers > > so they can quit > > >their bitching, make it a government thing. Do we really want the government taking over health care in this county? A potential disaster...there must be a better way! >>Just want to make a slight correction. We don't have a >"national" health plan. What we have is the Canada >Health Act, whereby the national government says that >each PROVINCE must provide a minimum standard of >insured health care. Each province has its own >provincial plan, and the richer provinces have more >coverage than the poorer ones. So it's not the same >all across Canada. I"ve heard..Catherine..so I don't how true it is... but in some cases does it take months for one to get the surgery they need? And I heard all over Canada there are private clinics popping up where you pay out of the pocket...thus getting better care....into surgery faster etc,. And is the Canadian goverment trying to squash this movement of private pay? Bree ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:07:48 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Hillary and Walmart, njc Clinton Quiet About Wal-Mart Ties By BETH FOUHY, AP NEW YORK (March 10) - With retail giant Wal-Mart under fire to improve its labor and health care policies, one Democrat with deep ties to the company - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton - has started feeling her share of the political heat. Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board of directors for six years when her husband was governor of Arkansas. And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs. Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004, when she told an audience at the convention of the National Retail Federation that her time on the board "was a great experience in every respect." But in recent months, as the company has become a target for Democratic activists, she has largely steered clear of any mention of Wal-Mart. And late last year, Clinton's re-election campaign returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing "serious differences with current company practices." As Clinton sheds her Arkansas past and looks ahead to a possible 2008 presidential run, the Wal-Mart issue presents an exquisite dilemma: how to reconcile the political demands she faces today with her history at a company many American consumers depend upon but many Democratic activists revile. "The interesting question is not just Hillary Clinton's history at Wal-Mart, but why it's delicate for her to talk about Wal-Mart," said Charles Fishman, author of "The Wal-Mart Effect," a book on the company's impact on the national economy. "Plenty of Democrats denounce Wal-Mart, but there are also plenty of people who need it, love it and rely on it." In 1986, when Wal-Mart's founder, Sam Walton, tapped Clinton to be the company's first female board member, Wal-Mart was a fraction of its current size, with $11.9 billion in net sales. Today, Wal-Mart is the world's largest retailer and largest private employer, with over $312 billion in sales last year and 1.3 million employees or "associates" in the U.S. alone. But recently, the company has drawn intense scrutiny for its labor practices - from its wages to the lack of affordable health coverage for employees, to its stiff resistance to unionization. Throughout the 1980s, both Bill and Hillary Clinton nurtured relationships with Walton, a conservative Republican and by far Arkansas' most influential businessman. Among other things, Hillary Clinton sought Walton's help in 1983 for Bill Clinton's so-called Blue Ribbon Commission on Education, a major effort to improve Arkansas' troubled public schools. The overhaul became a centerpiece of Clinton's governorship. And Wal-Mart's Made in America campaign, which for years touted the company's sales of American products in its stores, was launched after Bill Clinton persuaded Walton to help save 200 jobs at an Arkansas shirt manufacturing plant. The Made in America campaign has virtually vanished in recent years, as the company's manufacturing has gradually moved overseas - another point of criticism by many anti-Wal-Mart activists. The Clintons also benefited financially from Wal-Mart. Hillary Clinton was paid $18,000 each year she served on the board, plus $1,500 for each meeting she attended. By 1993 she had accumulated at least $100,000 in Wal-Mart stock, according to Bill Clinton's federal financial disclosure that year. The Clintons also flew for free on Wal-Mart corporate planes 14 times in 1990 and 1991 in preparation for Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential bid. Wal-Mart has little to say about Hillary Clinton's board service, and will not release minutes of the company's board meetings during her tenure. Lorraine Voles, Clinton's communications director, turned down a request for an interview with the senator. Still, details have come to light over the years. Bob Ortega, author of "In Sam We Trust," a history of Wal-Mart, said Clinton used her position to urge the company to improve its gender and racial diversity. Because of Clinton's prodding, Walton agreed to hire an outside firm to track the company's progress in hiring women and minorities, Ortega said. "These were things the company was not addressing and wouldn't have, had she not pushed them to do so," Ortega said. "She's somebody who could definitely get things done." In fact, Clinton proved to be such a thorn in Walton's side that at Wal-Mart's annual meeting in 1987, when shareholders challenged Walton on the company's lack of female managers, he assured them the record was improving "now that we have a strong willed young lady on the board." Clinton was particularly vocal on environmental matters, pressing the company to boost its sale and use of recycled materials and other "green" products. Garry Mauro, who served with Clinton on a Wal-Mart environmental advisory committee, pointed to many successes, such as persuading the company to establish recycling centers and sell products like recycled oil and long-life light bulbs. "Hillary had real impact - when she had an idea, things got moving," he said. "When she resigned from the committee, it stopped having any innovative ideas and stopped being effective." Still, critics say there was little tangible change at Wal-Mart during Clinton's tenure, despite her apparent prodding. "There's no evidence she did anything to improve the status of women or make it a very different place in ways Mrs. Clinton's Democratic base would care about," said Liza Featherstone, author of "Selling Women Short: The Landmark Battle for Worker's Rights at Wal-Mart." The Wal-Mart debate has been playing out in Legislatures and city councils around the country in the last year, even hitting close to Clinton's adopted home. New York State legislators of both parties are promoting bills requiring businesses including Wal-Mart to provide health coverage to their workers. And in October, New York City passed a law, aimed squarely at Wal-Mart, requiring large grocery stores to pay most workers a health care benefit worth an estimated $2.50 to $3 an hour. The law helped stall Wal-Mart's efforts to move into the city, even though recent polls indicate a majority of New Yorkers would welcome Wal-Mart. Amid the deluge of legislative proposals around the country, Wal-Mart CEO Scott Lee announced last month that the company would expand its effort to enroll more workers in a new, low-premium health plan. The company will also trim the waiting period for part-time employees to become eligible for coverage. But Hillary Clinton, who as first lady proposed a wide-ranging but ultimately unsuccessful plan to reshape the nation's health care system, has had little to say about Wal-Mart's health care record. "That was a long time ago," she said recently when asked if she had done anything about the company's health care policies while she served on its board. That comment was met with disbelief from Jonathan Tasini, a longtime labor organizer mounting a longshot challenge to Clinton in New York's Democratic Senate primary. "Voters would find it a strained argument to believe that the senator who prides herself on intelligence and knowledge of detail can't recall any details in this case. It just strains credulity," Tasini said. Nonetheless, Clinton and her advisers continue to insist that Wal-Mart has fundamentally changed since her tenure on the board. "Wal-Mart was a different company then and the country was not facing the same health care challenges we face today," communications director Lorraine Voles said. Even Clinton's decision to return Wal-Mart's campaign contribution illustrated the complicated role still Wal-Mart plays in her political life. Wake-Up Wal-Mart posted several entries on its Web log applauding the decision, but others complained that the move seemed hypocritical and opportunistic given her history with the company. Meanwhile, Republican National Committee spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt called the move "standard operating procedure" for Clinton. "When push comes to shove, the senator allows politics to trump principle every time," Schmitt said. Associated Press Writer Marcus Kabel contributed to this report. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:18:47 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC Since Abe Lincoln? ;-)l >One of the great problems of the conservatives and the right wing is that >they long ago lost the ability to think and comprehend. They are great at >casting insults and mockery. That is what they are good at. But >substantive thought has escaped them for a long, long time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:26:34 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: WW11, njc Bree wrote: I didn't know that companies didn't start offering health insurance until after WW11. Hi Bree, Seems there were some world wars I missed out on since we are up to 11 now. One of the benefits of living in a state that is considered, "backwards" I guess. Wink. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC Potential? That disaster is already here and it's called Medicare. Any health care that comes from the government will be bloated, inefficient and corrupt. Even now you've got Doctors in bed with Pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, HMO organizations, and others. Health Care needs to transition to the way Auto Insurance is handled, turned over to the private sector. The component of health care that nobody seems to want to talk about is our lack of caring for our own health...we want to smoke all we want, drink all we want, eat whatever we want and as much of it as we want, exercise as little as we want, and let someone else pick up the tab. There needs to be a better incentive to keep ourselves healthy and off prescription drugs, a very wise person said "doctor's pills give you brand new ills". Obviously in saying this I'm not condemning the entire industry - some of what the drug companies offer is truly outstanding, but do we need over half a generation's kids on Ritalin? Bob NP: World Party, "Love Street" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:56:55 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Camille, njc Julius wrote: Please read this, you all. Camille Paglia's view of it all. I think she agrees with Bree. _http://kevincassell.com/PERSON/POLITICS/center/paglia.html_ (http://kevincassell.com/PERSON/POLITICS/center/paglia.html) Hi Julius, In the article, Camille says, "The vagina, on the other hand, is amorphous, lurid in color, shapeless, impossible to quantify or architecturally simulate." Interesting choice of words. The vagina, on the other hand..." Right or left I wonder? "Amorphous,... shapeless, impossible to quantify or architecturally simulate"... sounds like she was talking about God here. In the realm of the physical, the vagina looks a lot like the esophagus histologically, and anatomically it has more predicktable shape and architecture than the tube just posterior to it. Lurid in color... not that's a really funny one to me. lurid adj 1: horrible in fierceness or savagery; "lurid crimes"; "a lurid life" 2: glaringly vivid and graphic; marked by sensationalism; "lurid details of the accident" [syn: _shocking_ (http://dict.die.net/shocking/) ] 3: shining with an unnatural red glow as of fire seen through smoke; "a lurid sunset"; "lurid flames" 4: ghastly pale; "moonlight gave the statue a lurid luminence" Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) Lurid \Lu"rid\, a. [L. luridus.] 1. Pale yellow; ghastly pale; wan; gloomy; dismal. Fierce o'er their beauty blazed the lurid flame. --Thomson. Wrapped in drifts of lurid smoke On the misty river tide. --Tennyson. 2. (Bot.) Having a brown color tonged with red, as of flame seen through smoke. 3. (Zo["o]l.) Of a color tinged with purple, yellow, and gray. So Bree, is it true that Camille agrees with you in this article? Hope my strange sense of humor doesn't offend anyBODY. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:28:36 -0600 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: Album Review Album Review "The Beginning of Survival" is a whopping 16-track collection from Joni = Mitchell's Geffen period, recorded between 1985-1998, and carefully = chosen by the artist as "commentaries on the world in which we live." = One has to wonder about the title: if by saying this is "the beginning = of survival," Mitchell is referring to her own retirement strategy -- = she is no longer making new records. Or perhaps that we are now at the = end of actual living and are on the other side of the garden of Eden she = referred to in her song "Woodstock" from so long ago. Are we at the = beginning of a new era, one in which the strategies we once used to = exist in a society together have been erased and new ones have come into = play, where we make our way merely as individuals in isolation from and = in competition with one another? Or perhaps the question is one of = beginning to survive as a culture despite the onslaught of mediated = images that now cancel out "the real thing," with rampant greed and the = lust for objects of desire and power rather than desire itself.=20 The sequencing here is so meticulous and effective that "The Beginning = of Survival" feels like a topical song cycle rather than a compilation. = Tracks trace meaning and impression onto other tracks; they inform and = elucidate themes of resistance in the face of the dark deluge that began = the culture war in earnest during the 1980s, and which has come to = signify the nature of American society in the 21st century with no signs = of anything but further fragmentation. The opening words of "The = Reoccurring Dream" that begin this cycle state: "This is a reoccurring = dream/Born in the dreary gap between/What we have now/And what we wish = we could have...." A line that signifies a double meaning, one that is = caught between the simulacrum of what we are offered as life, and the = drive for life itself. And so it goes from this screed against = consumerism to a track like "The Windfall (Everything For Nothing)," = moving on to the weariness with culture in "Dog Eat Dog," "The Beat Of = Black Wings," "Fiction," and "Sex Kills," to the meditation on other = cultural, social, and ecological injustices in "The Three Great = Stimulants," "Lakota," "Ethiopia," "No Apologies," and "The Magdalene = Laundries," to the place of the spirit and the allegories of the great = spiritual lessons in "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" and "Passion Play," = to the faint glimmer of hope in "Cool Water" and "Impossible Dreamer." = Back and forth, around, down, and in, these songs swirl with her = trademark weave of jazz, rock, and pop into a long meditation on what = has happened, and where we find ourselves, in this new world, truly "at = the beginning of survival," deprived of the strategy of history because = it has been canceled out. This is a provocative, wonderfully = articulated, and gorgeously illustrated compilation (there is a series = of nine of Mitchell's thematic paintings and one self-portrait of = Mitchell adorning the booklet) that sheds new light not only on the = tunes, but on Mitchell's enduring contribution. ~ Thom Jurek, All Music = Guide=20 peace, david No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/06 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:20:17 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: WW11, njc You weren' born yet...so don't complain...;-o t >>Bree wrote: > > I didn't know that companies didn't >start offering health insurance until after WW11. > > >Hi Bree, > >Seems there were some world wars I missed out on since we are up to 11 >now. >One of the benefits of living in a state that is considered, "backwards" I >guess. Wink. > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:40:30 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: WW11, njc In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:20:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: You weren' born yet...so don't complain...;-o t I was born with the moon in Cancer and know I'm a little green compared to you. I won't complain, butt on the other hand... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:53:31 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: money for nothing NJC >>Again...good points made by you both...but I still will take >>capitalism..free market...ownership..etc,. > >Wouldn't that be nice. If only it were so. My only reply to this would be... WHY ..oh WHY..is everyone trying to get into this fabulous country of ours? I'm thinking it is because of the opportunity they see because we are capitalistic and all that comes with that.....ownership....the good life.... >>PS. This is something to think about.... why do think we are entitled >>to health insurance from an employee? > >Why would you make such an assumption? I think your assumptions are very >biased. Health insurance first of all is function of a free market >society. Out there in the free market, you have to offer something to >attract the workers you want. I'm just throwing things out there for discussion. If I had a company...I'd make everybody partners. >> Why don't they provide car..house insurance too while they are at it? > >What world are we talking about here? Again....just mentioned it for discussion sake...but in the future this could be a possibility...there is a large sector in this country who think they are entitled to everything. . That is why the gap between the average worker >salary and package is falling annually further and further behind the >packages that go to management. There will always be chiefs and indians...but I do know IF one works very hard in this country you can make something of yourself. >> I didn't know that companies didn't start offering health insurance >>until after WW11. > >Oh? Honestly...I didn't know that. >>.I..I..me ..me. but yet... here is a prime example.... the give it to me >>mentality....I'm entitled..it's only fair. ... Just wondering about >>this when I heard it discussed recently on the radio. > >A roundtable of business executives and wealthy Republicans talking more >tax breaks for them and elimination of other taxes so the tax burden >continues to get shifted to the middle and working class? That must have >been what you were listening to. Actually..I think if things continue they way they are now..it won't be long until most of the taxes are paid by about only fifty percent of the populace...the working populace. Bree >Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Health Care needs to transition to the way Auto > Insurance is handled, turned over to the private > sector. sheesh, I can't see that being a good thing. Miss two payments and your'e out on your ass. My nightmare scenario for the future includes people dieing of things like abcessed teeth, or bone breaks that somehow get infected. Like, lets go back to the olden-days! A while back I read some article where in New Orleans, now, (or at least as of a few weeks ago) indigent health care simply does not exist. You have to be able to travel out of town to simply get a bone set! Within 30 years I see it getting like that for many more people, all over, unless something really really changes. Can you imagine? People having to hang around with broken bones? Auto ins. co's don't have a good rep. for being very kindhearted to those with no $$$. > The component of health care that nobody > seems to want to talk about is our lack of caring > for our own health...we want to smoke all we > want, drink all we want, eat whatever we want and > as much of it as we want, exercise as little as > we want, and let someone else pick up the tab. well I do agree on that. For sure. I think you are right, but human nature being what it is...do you see "us " (not you, Bob, cuz you are so fit) changing? So what to do? If someone is seriously unhealthy because they abuse their bod..then what? tell them "go over THERE and die"? "try to hack up your lungs into an appropriate receptacle please". So maybe we need to go through a 50-75 year revolution, let all the fat smokers (at least the poor ones) die off naturally, and then start over? Maybe. Not ruling it out. sheesh..... I'm going for a walk. I've been walking alot lately. It FINALLY started to feel good, after a couple years really of it being a drag due to leg pain. Gotta keep it up. I do believe it helps. I sooooooo wish I could explain to some people, like my partner, how much it helps and makes a person feel better. Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:18:36 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: All We Are Saying DVD I was able to record this documentary on DVD, there were two different showing times and I recorded both. I therefore have one copy I can send to someone if they will make a copy of it and pass the original on to someone else who will do the same. I am also willing to make one additional copy for someone who isn't able to make copies for others and hope each person receving the original will do the same. Please reply off-list so as not to take up band-width. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC No, but shouldn't they have to pay more for health care? Just like someone who has a string of accidents and tickets has to pay more for car insurance? Makes sense to me. And when employers provide the health care, losing your job means losing your insurance as well, or else purchase Cobra which is cost-prohibitive. Not exactly a good idea either. And don't try to file bankruptcy if you don't have the right kind/enough health insurance and get struck down with cancer or a catastrophic illness - Bushco has made that an impossibility. Bob NP: Joni, "Cool Water" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC - --- Bob Muller wrote: > No, but shouldn't they have to pay more for > health care? Just like someone who has a string > of accidents and tickets has to pay more for car > insurance? Makes sense to me. not sure I can agree, because some people are just naturally skinny. But those same people could eay very unhealthy stuff and end up with cancer or something else that would be expensive to treat. But you'd never KNOW it because THEIR bad eating doesn't "show". So they'd get low rates even tho they eat the same lard as a fat person. Some other people try and try and are STILL fat. Also, in the case of an indigent fat unhealthy smoker lard out of the can eating person, how can they pay more for health insurance if they have no money? The stuff i"m talking about is more a near future scenario, than a "now" scenario. Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:02:16 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, it hurts the head Buenos dias, amigos y amigas! I'm running behind the times again, and there are quite a few posts I want to respond to (and probably won't get to, darn!), but this one really grabbed my heart and mind: - -------------- Hi em, Big problems DO hurt the head, and SHOULD cause some mental anguish, or at least stimulation. What is important that the pain in the head doesn't become strong enough to stop you thinking of these issues. The fact that it is painful means it's complex, important, and necessary to give it some thought. If not, we're destined to either become ostriches, burying our heads in the sand when we are confronted with a 'difficult' situation, or robots, accepting the way the majority think about things; so much easier that way. Think, think, think till your head stops hurting and your eyes see more clearly. Our session is over, same time next week?, Dr Melfi in barcelona - -------------- Applause, applause, life is our cause! Exactement, Mike! Gracias! It is very helpful to be reminded of this. Better to be *deep* between the forceps and the stone than superficial, even though it hurts the head. What do you charge, and where shall I mail the check? Now please forgive me for shakin' into Joni-town with my brakes complaining, but I think you should mail your post to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC. That occupant could really use this advice, and so could apparently the 37% of Americans who have settled down into a bad clickety clack acceptance of bang bang just more ketchup color to him, just more Twenty-First Century Fox News. Reading the news and it SURE looks bad these days....sigh. Je pense, donc je suis...et je pleure. Just my two cents. I'll add it to your fee, Mike -- or should I subtract it? Love and peace, Patti P. P.S. Your email address (ink08) reminds me of "ink on a pin"! "Ink"....just one word sets me off JMOCDing! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:57:23 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Camille, njc From: > Hope my strange sense of humor doesn't offend anyBODY. > > Love, > Laura No, but did she really spell predictable like that ?! v v v ...and speaking of lurid, what about a blue-veined, pink, throbbing...uh, never mind... > In the realm of the physical, the vagina looks a lot like the > esophagus > histologically, and anatomically it has more predicktable shape ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:44:12 -1000 From: "arkay o'malley" Subject: RE: Walmart article NJC my take on the walmart talk-the most horrible thing about walmart i see is that the take away choice. they go into these small towns and put everyone out of business...even pharmacies. the only choice for buying anything is walmart supercenter. the only choice for employemnt is walmart. its that or drive 40 miles to the next town. its the taking away the choice that kills me. and a small clarification-walmart states that they are the largest employer of fulltime employees in the US, but that is because they classify 27 hours as full time. disgusting practice. arkay >From: "Alison J Einerson" >Reply-To: "Alison J Einerson" >To: , "Bob Muller" , >Subject: Walmart article NJC >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:06:25 -0700 > >Oh my god, that was the funniest shit I've read lately. Thanks for the >walmart article bob, where did you find that website? Hilarious. Not >politically correct or polite in the least. >I have many views on walmart...i don't shop there, mostly because it's >gross and their stuff is shit. But also, they are just too damn big for >their britches. I work in publishing, and we theoretically want to get >our books everywhere. We've been working on getting into walmart for the >last couple of years, but to no avail. Finally, we figured it out--you >can be there, but you won't make any money on the products you sell >there unless you sell ten trillion of them. Most publishers aren't, with >the exception of the Harry Potter folks. The real problem is that >WALMART is now dictating what YOU can and CANNOT buy--strictly because >they are so large and have so much economic power, that companies change >their entire practices to get on the shelves. So, smaller products die, >smaller companies die, smaller stores die, local newspapers die (walmart >frequently goes into small communites and advertises the hell out of >their stores, everyone goes, small independent businesses--be they >hardware, bookstore, shoe store, clothing store, what have you--close >down, then there are no more advertisers for the newspapers but >walmart--and gues what? They don't need to advertise anymore! Bingo! No >more independent small town newspapers. >So, make no mistake, that Walmart is affecting more than just whether or >not you get cheap razors and tomato sauce, they are now dictating what >information is distributed to your communities. It's a much bigger deal >than people think. As to Home Depot, they are another animal, but they >DO NOT offer stock options, profit sharing, benefits OR EVEN AN EMPLOYEE >DISCOUNT to the vast majority of people who work there. Upper level >management and full time gets those, not the folks selling you imported >arsenic treated wood from the rainforests of south america. >Love and hugs, >Alison e. in slc >Np: Mando Saenz, a great new voice > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] >S Thursday, March 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 087 >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:03:00 EST >From: FMYFL@aol.com >Subject: Re: Shopping NJC > >LOL Bob, > >You're right about the article not being politically correct, and I'll >probably get kicked off the JMDL..........but I thought the artical was >right on the >money. Like you, I hate Malls. I haven't been in one in over 10 yrs, >but I >really find Walmart especially annoying. Then again, I don't like >shopping for >groceries or clothes. That's what Ed is for. LOL > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:02:58 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: All We Are Saying DVD I have my one copy to someone who cannot duplicate. Still have one for someone who can keep the chain alive. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:47:44 -0800 From: djp Subject: RE: money for nothing NJC At 08:53 AM 3/11/2006, Bree Mcdonough wrote: >. WHY ..oh WHY..is everyone trying to get into this fabulous country of >ours? I'm thinking it is because of the opportunity they see because we >are capitalistic and all that comes with that.....ownership....the good >life.... Everybody? I'm always, again, running behind the times, it seems. I'm moving to Toronto this summer. Hi Catherine! djp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:45:03 -0800 From: Subject: Sad news (njc) I just learned that Michael Paz's father Juan has passed away. Michael had recently been to Honduras to see his dad and is leaving this weekend to return for the memorial. I know many of you will want to send him a note. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:55:25 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Neil Young: Heart of Gold film Reading the news and I guess it's not ALL bad. This film looks wonderful, no? Has anyone seen it yet? Love, Patti P., who has found many hearts of gold on the JMDL. Thanks to all who have sent such beautiful condolences and shared their own losses. It helps, a lot. Mark E., you have mine, too, and I'll be expressing them more later, and at length. XO to you for now. `Heart Of Gold' Is 24 Karat March 10, 2006 By TERRY LAWSON, Detroit Free Press (Note from PP: He gave it five stars.) Director Jonathan Demme's gorgeously made and poignant concert film "Neil Young: Heart of Gold" takes the second half of its title from what's probably Young's best-known song, originally released in 1972 on his best-selling album "Harvest." The song's chorus is one of the best-known couplets in pop music: "You keep me searching for a heart of gold/ And I'm getting old." Young was 26 when he first sang that song, but even then he seemed more wizened and weary than the rockers around him. He had already recorded with five bands, including Buffalo Springfield and the supergroup Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, and had written dozens of songs as rock 'n' roll rowdy as "Cowgirl in the Sand" and as melodic and wistful as "Helpless." Like Bob Dylan, the performer and songwriter to whom he is most often compared, Young has been able to maintain a four-decade career and integrity by refusing to be pinned down or disregarded as a relic. But in 2005, the 60-year-old Young had a serious health scare - a brain aneurysm and ensuing complications - and his confrontation with mortality resulted in a suite of mostly acoustic, reflective and personal ballads that became the album "Prairie Wind." The first half of "Heart of Gold" has Young, his musical collaborators on the record and other longtime associates performing, in sequence, all but one of the "Prairie Wind" songs. The setting has been artfully composed by the music-loving director Demme, with whom Young had collaborated on previous projects and whose credits include the acclaimed Talking Heads concert film "Stop Making Sense." Demme, with much help from production designer Michael Zansky, cinematographer Ellen Kuras and costumer Manuel, has transformed Nashville's Ryman Auditorium, where two invitation-only concerts were filmed last August, into a Americana homeland-dreamland, where the realities of 24-hour news, blue states vs. red states and outside static cannot intrude. The songs, for which Young provides brief but telling introductions, including affectionate tributes to Young's late father, Scott, to a guitar he plays that was once owned by country music pioneer Hank Williams, and to his wife, Pegi, who sings in a chorus that also includes a radiantly silver-haired Emmylou Harris. The performances are heartfelt, the ambience hushed and golden, bordering on the magical. The second half - basically an extended encore - is no less prosaic. Even though the songs are drawn from various periods of Young's career, they form a quilt of time passing and recalled. From the Buffalo Springfield composition "I Am a Child," which addresses what was once called the generation gap in reconciliatory terms, to the romantic embrace of "Harvest Moon," the collected choruses combine to repudiate Young's famous late-'70s proclamation that "it's better to burn out than to fade away." It's worth remembering however, that "Heart of Gold" is a movie, and Demme has done his own mining here: for drama, melancholy and cinematic, if honestly felt, moments. Though "Heart of Gold" couldn't be more different than the slippery, ecstatic "Stop Making Sense" - except that they both preserve time-capsule performances of musical masters - it does what the best movies of any genre do, turn the produced and scripted into something sincere and honest. It may be designed to resemble something like the last word, but I'm betting Neil Young won't be this mellow for long. That only makes "Heart of Gold" all the more memorable. NEIL YOUNG: HEART OF GOLD is a Paramount Classics release directed by Jonathan Demme. Running time: 103 minutes. Rated PG for some drug-related lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:57:18 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Camille, njc In a message dated 3/11/2006 12:57:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: No, but did she really spell predictable like that ?! v v v I'll never tell. ...and speaking of lurid, what about a blue-veined, pink, throbbing...uh, never mind... Turgid of you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:23:30 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Health Care needs to transition to the way Auto > Insurance is handled, turned over to the private > sector. Are you serious about this, or baiting lurkers? Okay, you got me... most health care NOW is handled by the private sector, which is the greedy insurance companies that want to take huge premiums and pay out as little as possible so their CEOs and stockholders benefit (it's the capitalist way, but especially with the Bushies in charge, they can be as greedy in getting money in and stingy with people needing health care as they want to be). Insurance is one of those industries that should be non-profit instead of the greedy monster it's become, and that's all insurance, not just health, but the behavior of the health insurance industry is especially gauling when it's people's lives on the line. Ask the hourly-wage working people (many of those at Wal-Mart for example) what they think about Medicaid. For most of them, without Medicaid their children would have NO medical care at all (so we're all subsidizing Wal-Mart's no-insurance plan while the Wal-Mart owners become billionaires, but that's a whole other bag of issues). The idea that Bush has now to privatize (even more!) the health care industry is as crazy as his attempt to privatize social security. It's not as though a sick person can go interviewing doctors in a crisis, and even if they can, doctors don't just pick their fees out of the air. They have certain costs that have to be covered, so for doctors located in the same area, it's unlikely there'd be a big difference in what they charge. And his claim that large lawsuit settlements* are the reason for high insurance premiums is just plain wrong. They account for about 1/2 of one percent of insurance companies' costs. It's just plain greed by the insurance companies, and Bushie wants to help them be even greedier. (No surprise, but still disgusting.) *If a doctor messes up a person for life through their ineptness or lack of attention, then there SHOULD be a large lawsuit settlement. > The component of health care that nobody > seems to want to talk about is our lack of caring > for our own health...we want to smoke all we > want, drink all we want, eat whatever we want and > as much of it as we want, exercise as little as > we want, and let someone else pick up the tab. To some extent I agree with that. It always seemed odd to me that smokers, who have been warned of the harms of smoking for decades, then sue the tobacco companies when they get sick. But, without people suing those companies, we'd never know how the execs at those companies lied when asked whether they put addictive stuff (beyond tobacco) into their cigarettes in order to hook people. They do. There are about 100 substances in American cigarettes with the intention that if one doesn't hook you, another one will. The execs lied about that, which probably wouldn't have come to light without some people suing them. And then there are people who have genetic diseases through no fault or choice of their own. It doesn't feel right that they should not have access to the health care they need. We're all in this together, sick and healthy, old and young, weak and strong, and everyone in every situation we may find outselves in. Things can change in a second, and a healthy person, even one who (maybe even self-righteously) takes care of herself or himself, may suddenly need huge amounts of intensive health care. "Weeding out" the weak or needy among us in order to maximize profits to an obscenely huge amount for CEOs and shareholders is not the sign of a decent society. Debra Shea Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:35:05 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: All We Are Saying DVD All copies are now spoken for. Thanks Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, Neil Young: Heart of Gold film Haven't see it yet, Patti - I'm assuming I'll have to wait for the DVD. Time will tell. I think it was playing in NYC while I was up there. All the reviews I've read about it have been stellar. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "With Every Wish" PS: Our respective teams didn't do so hot in their Conference tourneys, hopefully they'll peak in the NCAA. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:09:50 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: River and Joni the man - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald A. Notaro" > And Joni herself would have taken this as a compliment. She has often said > this in interviews, that she always felt more comfortable with men, in > general, than with women. And she bristles as being called a female singer > songwriter. > > Jerry > I don't think she bristles at being called female so much as she bristles at the distinction that is being drawn. I think she feels the implication is 'you're pretty good...for a girl.' She would prefer to be called one of the greatest singer/songwriters without any qualification at all. She said that she thought Dylan's remark was a backhanded compliment. She likes men, she likes the company of men. But I don't think she wants to be one. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #91 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------