From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #89 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 089 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Dream [Nuriel Tobias ] re: buying music online - is it WalMart culture? NJC ["mike pritchard" <] Re: Walmart can rot in hell NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] re iTunes ["mike pritchard" ] Re: walmart, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] eddy's clothes NJC [mags h ] upcoming shows [Dave Blackburn ] Walmart article NJC ["Alison J Einerson" ] Re: Walmart article NJC [Catherine McKay ] more WalMart and Hillary C. NJC [Em ] Long Time [Peep Richman ] Re: Walmart article NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Walmart article NJC ["Alison J Einerson" ] Re: Long Time [Em ] IMPORTANT [Peep Richman ] Re: Walmart article NJC [Em ] Re: Wal-Mart article NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Walmart article NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Walmart article NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Walmart article NJC [Em ] Re: Walmart article NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Re:The Human Jukebox ["ron" ] Re: River and Joni the man [Snapple1984@aol.com] Re: Re:The Human Jukebox njc [Randy Remote ] Re: River and Joni the man [Randy Remote ] money for nothing NJC [vince ] Re: Walmart article NJC [vince ] wisdom posted by Em NJC [vince ] Re: njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now [vince ] Re: River and Joni the man ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Wal-Mart article NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Walmart article NJC [Em ] Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Walmart article NJC [Bob Muller ] Train/"River" [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Walmart article NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: NJC Claudia's new CD [Michael Paz ] Re: Re:The Human Jukebox njc ["gene" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:10:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni Dream Smurf wrote: Bob Dylan did say she was a man. - --Smurf Would you like to say anything about Joni's cup size, Smurfy?:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:59:28 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: buying music online - is it WalMart culture? NJC >>It hurts my head. I do try and avoid Walmart tho.<< Hi em, Big problems DO hurt the head, and SHOULD cause some mental anguish, or at least stimulation. What is important that the pain in the head doesn't become strong enough to stop you thinking of these issues. The fact that it is painful means it's complex, important, and necessary to give it some thought. If not, we're destined to either become ostriches, burying our heads in the sand when we are confronted with a 'difficult' situation, or robots, accepting the way the majority think about things; so much easier that way. Think, think, think till your head stops hurting and your eyes see more clearly. Our session is over, same time next week?, Dr Melfi in barcelona np Satie PS Do ostriches really stick their heads in the sand or are is this another urban myth? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:14:00 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Walmart can rot in hell NJC Ruth.....reading this takes me to the west and I'm humbled by the grandness of it all. I've been out west many..many times...and worked at the Grand Canyon when I was in my early twenties. IF I wasn't so rooted here...I'd be out there in a heartbeat. I can't tell you how much I love it. I really miss it..and at times long to be there. Last time I was out that way we got off the main route and took a lot of the old 66 route...what an experience....what a thrill! And playing Hejira along some of the way..well it couldn't have gotten any better. "I went driving across the burning desert...when I spotted six jet planes.." Bree >Lori wrote: >Sometimes I wish I could move to another, brand new and empty planet, or at >least to someplace where there's not a mall of any kind (least of all >outlet >malls, ugh) anywhere for 1,000 miles. > >***************************************************************************** >**************************** >My husband Ray and I drove through Arizona last fall, and it rather fits >this >description, without having to leave the planet. Mesas, painted desert, >big >sky, horses wandering onto the road, Navajo radio playing - Indian country. > I >loved it and hope to return someday. >Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ian Shaw's album cover Nuri, This response came from Ian's manager regarding the photo: "This was photographed at Robin Hood Bay in Yorkshire - this is up on the north east coast (North Sea) - on a very cold day in February. It actually snowed later! Ian chose this - he told me that this is what he always associates with Joni - so, yes, to answer the question in your previous email, it was very intentional." Bob NP: The Monkees, "The Door Into Summer" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:37:14 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re iTunes >>Now playing someone called Houria Aichi seemingly singing in Japanese, or some oriental language at least, but the tracklist has a French title 'Vie Nouvelle', maybe it's from Vietnam or Cambodia, or some former French colony in Indochine.<< Mr Google tells me Ms Aichi is in fact from Algeria, so forget anything about 'oriental' language, although east/west etc is all relative, no? mike in bcn NP Ani di Franco - Circle of light (thanx to Muller) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:56:35 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: walmart, njc A brave little art teacher wrote: Don't get me wrong. . . I needed some pins yesterday. . .so guess where I went? Yep. . the big W. . . well, where else was I going to get pins? (as a side question. . . what was the last thing, non food related that you purchased?) Hi Bravada, I bought gasolina froma Sama's where it's cheapa. She continuted: paving over brave little parks . . . ( the line touches my soul) I heard this yesterday or so and had a nice visual of it. Cement cracks. Asphalt fades and goes away. The bravery will prevail. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:32:39 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: eddy's clothes NJC - - --- Jimmy wrote: > I don't like shopping for > groceries or clothes. That's what Ed is for. LOL and then Smurph wrote..., Ed wears clothes? to which naughty Mags replied: well, okay, if you consider nipple rings clothes, sure. hmm I wonder if they sell nipple rings at Walmart. ;-)) Mags, who has never seen anyone get bitchy or schnippy in this forum either :P let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:04:42 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: upcoming shows Well I guess pdfs don't make it to the jmdl digest. But Les was kind enough to put a link to our concert info on the front page of Joni Mitchell.com. So please check it out... thanks Dave Blackburn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:06:25 -0700 From: "Alison J Einerson" Subject: Walmart article NJC Oh my god, that was the funniest shit I've read lately. Thanks for the walmart article bob, where did you find that website? Hilarious. Not politically correct or polite in the least. I have many views on walmart...i don't shop there, mostly because it's gross and their stuff is shit. But also, they are just too damn big for their britches. I work in publishing, and we theoretically want to get our books everywhere. We've been working on getting into walmart for the last couple of years, but to no avail. Finally, we figured it out--you can be there, but you won't make any money on the products you sell there unless you sell ten trillion of them. Most publishers aren't, with the exception of the Harry Potter folks. The real problem is that WALMART is now dictating what YOU can and CANNOT buy--strictly because they are so large and have so much economic power, that companies change their entire practices to get on the shelves. So, smaller products die, smaller companies die, smaller stores die, local newspapers die (walmart frequently goes into small communites and advertises the hell out of their stores, everyone goes, small independent businesses--be they hardware, bookstore, shoe store, clothing store, what have you--close down, then there are no more advertisers for the newspapers but walmart--and gues what? They don't need to advertise anymore! Bingo! No more independent small town newspapers. So, make no mistake, that Walmart is affecting more than just whether or not you get cheap razors and tomato sauce, they are now dictating what information is distributed to your communities. It's a much bigger deal than people think. As to Home Depot, they are another animal, but they DO NOT offer stock options, profit sharing, benefits OR EVEN AN EMPLOYEE DISCOUNT to the vast majority of people who work there. Upper level management and full time gets those, not the folks selling you imported arsenic treated wood from the rainforests of south america. Love and hugs, Alison e. in slc Np: Mando Saenz, a great new voice - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] S Thursday, March 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 087 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:03:00 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Shopping NJC LOL Bob, You're right about the article not being politically correct, and I'll probably get kicked off the JMDL..........but I thought the artical was right on the money. Like you, I hate Malls. I haven't been in one in over 10 yrs, but I really find Walmart especially annoying. Then again, I don't like shopping for groceries or clothes. That's what Ed is for. LOL Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:26:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC - --- Alison J Einerson wrote: > I have many views on walmart...i don't shop there, > mostly because it's > gross and their stuff is shit. But also, they are > just too damn big for > their britches. I work in publishing, and we > theoretically want to get > our books everywhere. We've been working on getting > into walmart for the > last couple of years, but to no avail. Finally, we > figured it out--you > can be there, but you won't make any money on the > products you sell > there unless you sell ten trillion of them. [...] > So, make no mistake, that Walmart is affecting more > than just whether or > not you get cheap razors and tomato sauce, they are > now dictating what > information is distributed to your communities. It's > a much bigger deal > than people think. There's also the fact that they've vetoed certain CDs and/or artists. Anything with "parental advisories" is not sold in Walmart, but they will sell the sanitized version. And they are big enough that they act as censors. You want the f-word in your song? Don't expect to sell it at Walmart. I guess it would be one thing if they were a smaller outfit and decided for their own reasons that they didn't want to sell things that they found offensive. But they're big enough that they end up controlling what can be sold (and therefore what can be said) and what can't. As to Home Depot, they are > another animal, but they > DO NOT offer stock options, profit sharing, benefits > OR EVEN AN EMPLOYEE > DISCOUNT to the vast majority of people who work > there. Upper level > management and full time gets those, not the folks > selling you imported > arsenic treated wood from the rainforests of south > america. Is it not typical of business though, that only the top dogs reap the profits? Who gets the big bonuses (boni?) in industry? The CEOs that make share prices go up - often by laying off vast numbers of employees. Ironic that we are all shareholders of banks if we use their services at all (and we have to because no one pays you in cash anymore), and yet, unless you have a minimum amount of money in the bank - an amount few but the very rich are likely to ever have -, not only do you reap no profits, but you get to pay for the benefit of having YOUR money in THEIR bank - your money, which they invest to make even more money for the shareholders that count, but not for you, my friend, because you're not big enough. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:44:31 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: more WalMart and Hillary C. NJC I thought this came along at an interesting time, as we had been discussing WalMart. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060310/ap_on_el_se/hillary_clinton_wal_mart hope the link works, Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Long Time Hi Everyone, It's been a long time since I wanted to post....now to remember all that I had wanted to reply to....and I'm still behind in Digest reading. May need a wee bit of surgery...eagerly playing "Deal or No Deal" with my doc....subsequently the long absence. Thanks to JRM for the link to hear James' "River"...I couldn't find the cover photo, though. And, scjoniguy, I so totally agree that "River" is "surely one of Joni's finest and emotionally strongest". Could be her longing for her country....childhood, adolescent memories....also to JMR, I have also felt that Joni "took on universal themes and made them personal"....then again, so many of her personal themes are universal, but it's her brilliance to make the transition through her art and then her generosity to share it with us. Older stuff I do remember....whoever wrote that he or she is "Joni Mitchell Obsessive Disorder(ed)"...LOL...LOL...NOW I know what in the world is WRONG (or is it RIGHT) with me!!!! Wanted to congratulate Jennifer on her acceptance to Lehigh University's Social Cognition Doctoral Program!!!!Did you ever hear from the University of Conn.? Same or similar program?.........Bob, your cover compilation is terrific. Got me to thinking, before I ever heard of "covers" how many I did in the past (and almost present) for some of the people I've worked with therapeutically. Maybe I can find some of the lists I wrote down in some journal....I'd like to share them with the List. If there's ever an opportunity, I'd love to help out on a Joni Sampler Project....gee, I forgot to get over to Starbuck's to get the one that was most recently mentioned...about a month ago. I feel that Joni's works are creations that far exceed a known time-zone or a known dimension. She surpasses any of the cutting-edge technology for me. I remember that the night before "The Hissing of Summer Lawns", a local Philly radio station was going to broadcast it for the very first time. I was transfixed as I sat on my apartment floor, high in the sky, listening to each note, every word. The stores couldn't open early enough for me the following morning. I adored...and still adore that album....wow, 1975....where did all the years go? I still dearly love and so often return to "Song To A Seagull", "Clouds" and "Ladies Of The Canyon"....not to mention my adoration for "Blue" and "For The Roses". Joni's very early work may have had a stronger emotional impact on me.....I was depending on Joni (as I still often do) to pull me through the darkness's of my personal trials. "Court And Spark" was a delight...lots of fun but not the Joni I was so attached to....in the song, "The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms)", Joni created this amazingly profound piece integrating the lyrics in such a way I was just in awe...."Newsreels rattle the Nazi dread-". The only album I didn't take to with lightning speed is "Mingus" and that surprises me because of my love of jazz. Oh I'm sort of remembering some other things I wanted to post so long (seemingly) ago. I really related to what Catherine wrote..."the close juxtaposition of the /ch/ and /sh/sounds"...felt exactly the same way. I also remember thinking that I didn't understand when someone was writing or referring to someone who had written about the "tendency around here for people to look down on those who didn't like Joni's later stuff".....have I missed something? I don't get this feeling at all. Oh....this is important...I just remembered who...Mark (Scott)...you wrote that your mother wasn't doing well and that your father had died in 2004...November?...I', sorry for the loss of your dad...my father died in 1981. How is your mom doing? Can't recall any of the other things I had wanted to post but just a quick note on a new CD from Gloria Estefan..."Unwrapped"...don't know if there are any of her fans of the Digest List, but I'm enjoying this CD. Remember the resource: yourmusic.com All CD's for $6.95! Hope this finds everyone well....hope life is treating all gently. Joni will help if it isn't...at least she always has for me. Sending love, Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:29:31 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC Again...good points made by you both...but I still will take capitalism..free market...ownership..etc,. Bree PS. This is something to think about.... why do think we are entitled to health insurance from an employee? Why don't they provide car..house insurance too while they are at it? I didn't know that companies didn't start offering health insurance until after WW11. WE complanin about the gimme..gimme soceity...I..I..me ..me. but yet... here is a prime example.... the give it to me mentality....I'm entitled..it's only fair. ... Just wondering about this when I heard it discussed recently on the radio. not typical of business though, that only the >top dogs reap the profits? Who gets the big bonuses >(boni?) in industry? The CEOs that make share prices >go up - often by laying off vast numbers of employees. >Ironic that we are all shareholders of banks if we use >their services at all (and we have to because no one >pays you in cash anymore), and yet, unless you have a >minimum amount of money in the bank - an amount few >but the very rich are likely to ever have -, not only >do you reap no profits, but you get to pay for the >benefit of having YOUR money in THEIR bank - your >money, which they invest to make even more money for >the shareholders that count, but not for you, my >friend, because you're not big enough. > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:41:45 -0700 From: "Alison J Einerson" Subject: RE: Walmart article NJC I'm not arguing against capitalism per se---I'm arguing for RESPONSIBLE capitalism. I think there are good things about capitalism. It's when companies put PROFITS over PEOPLE that we have trouble. They put PROFITS over community. They put PROFITS over quality. They put PROFITS over morality. IT's the idea that a corporation can have a group of people so duped that they sing the company song every morning, and have to go on public assistance to help them feed their families that night because their wages are below the poverty line. There is something inherently wrong with that. As to the health insurance thing, that's a whole other issue. I believe that all people should have equal access to good health care. In order to have that today, you have to have good insurance. The only place to get insurance that is affordable is at work. That's where the system has gone. It's been eating by an overweaning monster of a health care system driven by....PROFITS...instead of PEOPLE. Hmmm, a theme... Alison e. in slc Np: paul simon, diamonds on the souls of her shoes. - -----Original Message----- From: Bree Mcdonough [mailto:bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:30 AM To: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; Alison J Einerson; joni@smoe.org; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; FMYFL@aol.com; treegreen1@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC Again...good points made by you both...but I still will take capitalism..free market...ownership..etc,. Bree PS. This is something to think about.... why do think we are entitled to health insurance from an employee? Why don't they provide car..house insurance too while they are at it? I didn't know that companies didn't start offering health insurance until after WW11. WE complanin about the gimme..gimme soceity...I..I..me ..me. but yet... here is a prime example.... the give it to me mentality....I'm entitled..it's only fair. ... Just wondering about this when I heard it discussed recently on the radio. not typical of business though, that only the >top dogs reap the profits? Who gets the big bonuses >(boni?) in industry? The CEOs that make share prices go up - often by >laying off vast numbers of employees. >Ironic that we are all shareholders of banks if we use their services >at all (and we have to because no one pays you in cash anymore), and >yet, unless you have a minimum amount of money in the bank - an amount >few but the very rich are likely to ever have -, not only do you reap >no profits, but you get to pay for the benefit of having YOUR money in >THEIR bank - your money, which they invest to make even more money for >the shareholders that count, but not for you, my friend, because you're >not big enough. > >Catherine >Toronto >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Long Time Hi Bo, sure hope the surgery doesn't have to happen. I actually like Gloria for some reason! lol!!!! not sure why. hope things go well for you. :) Em - --- Peep Richman wrote: > Can't recall any of the other things I had wanted to post but just > a quick note on a new CD from Gloria Estefan..."Unwrapped"...don't > know if there are any of her fans of the Digest List, but I'm > enjoying this CD. Remember the resource: yourmusic.com All CD's for > $6.95! > Hope this finds everyone well....hope life is treating all gently. > Joni will help if it isn't...at least she always has for me. > Sending love, Bo > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: IMPORTANT Hi everyone, I just discovered that I posted an incorrect site for ordering CD's for $6.95 (any CD). There are two sites...the WRONG one is mymusic.com. The correct one is yourmusic.com. Sorry about that... Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC its just that in the post WWII boom, these things seemed like things that would be possible for all Americans. That corporate America would have a place for everyone. If not in an office, then on an assembly line. But thats been sold down the creek. People believed in it, then the carpet was yanked out. Down here in the south we largely never were the recipients of the great bene's etc that the northern workers got. So we're used to not having it. I guess the only right we really have is to die. And we will. Wait til our generation gets REAL old and decrepit, and hasn't saved enough. Its gonna be HIDEOUS. Top notch health care, but hardly anyone can afford it. I saw take it out of the hands of private employers so they can quit their bitching, make it a government thing. Shite health care is better than none. We *almost* had the pie in the sky. Almost. The donkey ALMOST got to bite the carrot. Em - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Again...good points made by you both...but I still will take > capitalism..free market...ownership..etc,. > > Bree > > PS. This is something to think about.... why do think we are > entitled to > health insurance from an employee? Why don't they provide > car..house > insurance too while they are at it? I didn't know that companies > didn't > start offering health insurance until after WW11. WE complanin > about the > gimme..gimme soceity...I..I..me ..me. but yet... here is a prime > example.... the give it to me mentality....I'm entitled..it's only > fair. ... > Just wondering about this when I heard it discussed recently > on the > radio. > > not typical of business though, that only the > >top dogs reap the profits? Who gets the big bonuses > >(boni?) in industry? The CEOs that make share prices > >go up - often by laying off vast numbers of employees. > >Ironic that we are all shareholders of banks if we use > >their services at all (and we have to because no one > >pays you in cash anymore), and yet, unless you have a > >minimum amount of money in the bank - an amount few > >but the very rich are likely to ever have -, not only > >do you reap no profits, but you get to pay for the > >benefit of having YOUR money in THEIR bank - your > >money, which they invest to make even more money for > >the shareholders that count, but not for you, my > >friend, because you're not big enough. > > > >Catherine > >Toronto > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:30:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Wal-Mart article NJC The problem, as Hilary has pointed out so many times, is that if the corporations don't pay, then we all pay anyway, through taxes and higher premium rates. Government hospitals don't turn people away for care (whether they should or not is another debate) and when the poor (including the working poor) can't pay, then we pay. It makes sense for the Walton family and their stockholders to make maybe 20 billion in profit instead of 21 and pay for their working employees health benefits. Jerry > Again...good points made by you both...but I still will take > capitalism..free market...ownership..etc,. > > Bree > > PS. This is something to think about.... why do think we are entitled to > health insurance from an employee? Why don't they provide car..house > insurance too while they are at it? I didn't know that companies didn't > start offering health insurance until after WW11. WE complanin about the > gimme..gimme soceity...I..I..me ..me. but yet... here is a prime > example.... the give it to me mentality....I'm entitled..it's only fair. ... > Just wondering about this when I heard it discussed recently on the > radio. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:33:25 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC >PS. This is something to think about.... why do think we are entitled >to health insurance from an employee? I meant EMPLOYER..sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:41:40 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC Please read this, you all. Camille Paglia's view of it all. I think she agrees with Bree. http://kevincassell.com/PERSON/POLITICS/center/paglia.html - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC wow, am I wrong or was that really brilliant? I like the knife-like quality of his writing. (Cassell's) That dude can toss some Turbulent Indigo! Em - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Please read this, you all. Camille Paglia's view of it all. I > think she > agrees with Bree. > > http://kevincassell.com/PERSON/POLITICS/center/paglia.html > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Please read this, you all. Camille Paglia's view of it all. I think > she > agrees with Bree. What a surprise :) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:47:08 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Re:The Human Jukebox hi >>>>>kenny b wrote >>>> I was surprised no one mentioned the human jukebox that used to appear on the streets of San Francisco, down by the waterfront area. I last saw him in 1990, I think; there was a guy in a homemade box, resembling an old telephone booth. It was brightly colored and had a list of songs on the front. There was an opening, as I remember, and if you put some money in there, a sliding door opened up near eye-level, and a guy inside would proceed to play a song on a trumpet for you. that was real?!?!? i always thought it was just one of those made up, gag type picture doing the rounds.... ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:12:02 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: River and Joni the man First of all, what was the context in which Bob Dylan called Joni a man? Something along the lines of "she writes like a man" I'm assuming. Grrrr, what a frustrating gender cage to be trapped in. People frequently tell me that I write like a man, which I take initially as a compliment, and then hate myself for finding it complimentary. I must be missing something because River has always actually been my least favorite song on Blue. I believe the reason for this is that it's rather exemplary of the stereotpyical Joni Mitchell fan cliche that served as the reason I avoided giving Joni a try for so long. (Of course, back then I had no idea Joni was indeed a black man :) That is, the girl with a guitar whining in a coffeeshop about lost love and basically, I think it was always the line "I'm so hard to handle, I'm selfish and I'm sad" that always turned me off. It just seemed so self-indulgent to me. Then again, I may just be in denial because perhaps it hit too close to home for my stoic ideals to be comfortable with. I'm not really selfish in relationships, but I'm certainly sad, and it's true that that's hard for anyone to deal with. It is certainly a beautiful song however, unquestionably. You mentioned James Taylor sings "river so wide" - it's funny because every time I hear that song I have to remind myself that it's SKATE away on. And I do love that image, I must admit, because I always want to say SAIL away on. I had never seen a frozen river until I went to college and the Providence river would freeze up in thin spots. But the Columbia and Willamette are so wide and the weather in Portland is so moderate. In no bad way whatsoever, "Skate away on" always reminds me of Judy Garland dressed as a hobo singing "We would skate up the avenute but there isn't any ice" :) I got a dulcimer for my birthday! It's beautiful Cherry wood, eggplant shaped rather than tear-dropped. I was playing it all last night. I can do rather simple versions of "Pack Up Your Sorrows" and "Bold Marauder" from the Farinas. However, I already broke the bass string. I was following this book and it said to tune the base string to C. Well, it showed a picture of middle C, so I assumed the meant middle C. Now I'm thinking it must have been the C below that. And a question for all you dulcimer players out there - according to this book, the frets should be based in Ionian mode so that if you have it in major tuning, you can start at fret three and just play each fret like do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do. Well, My dulcimer looks different from the one in the book in that is seems to have an extra half step at F# or between fa and so. Is this normal - just a variation? Any thoughts? I'm COMPLETELY ignorant. thanks! - - Kira NP: first, Bob Dylan and Joan Baez - Mama You Been On My Mind now: Karla Bonoff, New World - thanks Brian!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:55:49 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Re:The Human Jukebox njc > that was real?!?!? i always thought it was just one of those made up, gag > type picture doing the rounds.... > ron Yeah, that guy did that gig for years down by the cable car turnaround. SF used to have a thriving street merchant scene-I don't know if they still do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:01:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: River and Joni the man - ----- Original Message ----- From: > First of all, what was the context in which Bob Dylan called Joni a man? > Something along the lines of "she writes like a man" I'm assuming. > Grrrr, > what a frustrating gender cage to be trapped in An interviewer was asking Dylan about who were the great female songwriters, and he couldn't think of any. The interviewer said "what about Joni Mitchell?" and he said, "yeah, but Joni's more like one of the guys" He didn't call her a man or say she writes like a man, to my recollection, although I don't know exactly what he meant. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:20:15 -0500 From: vince Subject: money for nothing NJC Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Again...good points made by you both...but I still will take > capitalism..free market...ownership..etc,. Wouldn't that be nice. If only it were so. > > Bree > > PS. This is something to think about.... why do think we are > entitled to health insurance from an employee? Why would you make such an assumption? I think your assumptions are very biased. Health insurance first of all is function of a free market society. Out there in the free market, you have to offer something to attract the workers you want. It is a part of the competitive benefits package. Last time I was unemployed, I received three job offers. One was for more money than the second but the second offered health insurance so that is what I took - free market there all the way - until the third offered a better package. Second, the health of employees is a legitimate concern of an employer. Is assisting the health and freedom from worry of the employee a bad thing? It is interesting, yes, that productivity rises in correlation to the adequacy of health insurance? > Why don't they provide car..house insurance too while they are at it? What world are we talking about here? The executives and upper tier employees at many companies get benefits such as this, cars, housing, all kinds of goodies, health club memberships, golf club memberships, all kinds of stuff that the average person does not get. At the law firm I work for, every attorney gets all kinds of things so they can wine and dine wealthy clients and potential clients - Amex cards, all kinds of goodies. Now the staff like me, we don't get those. But we work on the compensation packages for many executives and all the goodies are going to the top, not to the average worker. That is why the gap between the average worker salary and package is falling annually further and further behind the packages that go to management. > I didn't know that companies didn't start offering health insurance > until after WW11. Oh? > WE complanin about the gimme..gimme soceity.. Yes, the business class is much like that. > .I..I..me ..me. but yet... here is a prime example.... the give it to > me mentality....I'm entitled..it's only fair. ... Just > wondering about this when I heard it discussed recently on the radio. A roundtable of business executives and wealthy Republicans talking more tax breaks for them and elimination of other taxes so the tax burden continues to get shifted to the middle and working class? That must have been what you were listening to. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:24:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC Em wrote: >wow, am I wrong or was that really brilliant? >I like the knife-like quality of his writing. (Cassell's) That dude can >toss some Turbulent Indigo! >Em > > > I think there are many, many other options. I would not want to suggest that you are wrong. Wrong is such a judgmental word. I also would never suggest that was brilliant, because to me, it was a bunch of twaddle, Cassell, and Paglia as well. One of the great problems of the conservatives and the right wing is that they long ago lost the ability to think and comprehend. They are great at casting insults and mockery. That is what they are good at. But substantive thought has escaped them for a long, long time. They can toss the words around, but when the high fiving for the sarcasm gets tiresome, people like Cassell and Paglia have nothing to offer. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:34:05 -0500 From: vince Subject: wisdom posted by Em NJC Em wrote: >I saw take it out of the hands of private employers so they can quit >their bitching, make it a government thing. > And GM says that they could knock $2,300 or so off the price of every American built car if we had a national health plan like Canada's. Big Business is crying for a national policy. Our system is horribly inefficient, horribly wasteful, horribly expensive, and delivers less than almost all other industrial countries. Just keep it out of the hands of the current Congress which wrote all those enrichment provisions for the large medical corporations, such as, refusing to allow negotiating for lower prices, which is a nice way to put massive amounts of public money into private shareholders hands. I would be happier if the corporate world (which pays my salary by the way, in a law firm that caters to the largest of corporations and the wealthiest of clients) believed in free enterprise rather than plotted ways to put public money into their accounts. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:37:30 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now So I came home from work today and in my mailbox is a letter from WalMart telling me that I am pre-selected and pre-approved and pre-qualified and they want me to join the wal mart cardholder family! And it has a happy face on the envelope smiling at me! I am so happy! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: River and Joni the man And Joni herself would have taken this as a compliment. She has often said this in interviews, that she always felt more comfortable with men, in general, than with women. And she bristles as being called a female singer songwriter. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > >> First of all, what was the context in which Bob Dylan called Joni a >> man? >> Something along the lines of "she writes like a man" I'm assuming. >> Grrrr, >> what a frustrating gender cage to be trapped in > > An interviewer was asking Dylan about who were the great female > songwriters, > and he couldn't think of any. The interviewer said "what about Joni > Mitchell?" and he said, "yeah, but Joni's more like one of the guys" > He didn't call her a man or say she writes like a man, to my recollection, > although I don't know exactly what he meant. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:02:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wal-Mart article NJC - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > The problem, as Hilary has pointed out so many > times, is that if the > corporations don't pay, then we all pay anyway, > through taxes and higher > premium rates. Government hospitals don't turn > people away for care (whether > they should or not is another debate) and when the > poor (including the > working poor) can't pay, then we pay. It makes sense > for the Walton family > and their stockholders to make maybe 20 billion in > profit instead of 21 and > pay for their working employees health benefits. > > Jerry > Exactly. Nothing wrong with making a profit, but some of these corporations, or rather the individuals hiding behind "corporation", want to make obscenely huge profits (what for?) at the loss of most of the rest of the people. Those of us who are middle class... we probably won't exist as a "class" for much longer. There will be a few very very rich people and everyone else will be poor. At some point, of course, the poor will be so poor they will no longer be able to buy all the crap that the rich are making, so then what? I think health care - good health care - is a right, and not a privilege. Whether it's paid for through taxes or by your employer, or whether it's some kind of sliding scale depending on income, I don't think it's anything that people should ever have to worry about. And you do pay one way or another. When governments promise you "tax cuts" to get you to vote for them, you pay anyway, through user fees or loss of service. It's just a question of which envelope the money comes from. Would it be possible, I wonder, for all of us to make a profit from whatever we do? I don't suppose. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:11:09 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC hmm well maybe I'm just "easy". Attracted to bright, shiny objects and such. I checked out his website, btw....have you read his Eminem article? I def thought of you. :) Em - --- vince wrote: > Em wrote: > > >wow, am I wrong or was that really brilliant? > >I like the knife-like quality of his writing. (Cassell's) That dude > can > >toss some Turbulent Indigo! > >Em > > > > > > > I think there are many, many other options. I would not want to > suggest > that you are wrong. Wrong is such a judgmental word. > > I also would never suggest that was brilliant, because to me, it was > a > bunch of twaddle, Cassell, and Paglia as well. > > One of the great problems of the conservatives and the right wing is > that they long ago lost the ability to think and comprehend. They > are > great at casting insults and mockery. That is what they are good at. > > But substantive thought has escaped them for a long, long time. They > > can toss the words around, but when the high fiving for the sarcasm > gets > tiresome, people like Cassell and Paglia have nothing to offer. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: wisdom posted by Em NJC - --- vince wrote: > Em wrote: > > >I saw take it out of the hands of private employers > so they can quit > >their bitching, make it a government thing. > > > And GM says that they could knock $2,300 or so off > the price of every > American built car if we had a national health plan > like Canada's. Big > Business is crying for a national policy. Just want to make a slight correction. We don't have a "national" health plan. What we have is the Canada Health Act, whereby the national government says that each PROVINCE must provide a minimum standard of insured health care. Each province has its own provincial plan, and the richer provinces have more coverage than the poorer ones. So it's not the same all across Canada. And the provinces are also crying the blues that they can't afford to keep the coverage and also cover all the new technologies like MRI and so on. So there's a lot of cutbacks to what is and isn't covered. It's not perfect here, by any means, but income generally isn't the predicator of whether you get served. I say "generally" because there are things the provincial plans don't cover - they don't cover drugs except for seniors and people on welfare. In Ontario there's coverage for people who don't qualify for welfare and who don't have extended health care coverage through work. But still, as my Dad used to say, it's better than a slap in the belly with a wet fish. I'm lucky because where I work (the provincial government), we have a really good pension plan and extended health care coverage, so most of the cost of prescription drugs for my kids and me, part of the cost of glasses and so on, are covered. Otherwise, we'd probably do without certain things. Not everyone is so lucky, of course, and those who work part-time for companies such as Walmart or who work for smaller companies that don't provide benefits, would not have such coverage. And despite my being management scum (middle management scum - the worst kind, because we get it from both sides!) if it weren't for the unions we do have in certain sectors, I don't think I'd have it quite so good. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC I was searching for a site that made fun of the comic strip "Family Circus" which I absolutely despise...oh god. I hate it so much. And this site has the "Abused Phamily Circus", where they take a FC strip and put he sickest most obscene captions on it - awesome. They have lots of lame stuff, but they put out 5 or so original pieces a day, and more often than not it's pretty funny. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:55:05 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Train/"River" Was just watching "Ellen" on TV. The band, Train, is the musical guest. They have a current chart-topper with "Only Cab on the Road," a song about isolation. The lead singer is wearing a shirt with a stylized image of Joni on it. Think of "River." Go figure... - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:12:59 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Walmart article NJC Vince wrote: One of the great problems of the conservatives and the right wing is > that they long ago lost the ability to think and comprehend. They are > great at casting insults and mockery. - --Good points Vince. Sadly, however; I don't think that these things are strictly with the conservatives and the right wing. I have been very disappointed lately to see, read, and hear the same things from the liberal side. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:11:19 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Claudia's new CD Thanks for the head up Bob. And congrats Claudia and Randall. I just spent the last half hour listening to the tracks and enjoying them very much. I also just checked out the web site and ordered the cd. Can't wait to hear it in full stereo instead of mp3. Best of luck with everything and have a wonderful time touring around and playing. If you wanna do a house concert here in Destrehan, La. You have your house here (and you know I am not a bad cook). Love Paz (a cd baby junkie) > Wow, Bob - Thanks so much for the plug!!!! > > We are very excited about the CD and that we managed to capture some of the > songs that have inspired us to play together. > > Of course, my dear Joni friends, we'd love to hear what you all think. If > it's thumbs up don't hold back leaving feedback at CD Baby - we'd be very > grateful! > > Hope to see some of you again soon! I miss so many of you and I am still > bummed that I had to miss NY. It looked like such a blast! > > Thanks for all of your support! > Love, > Claud > > > > on 3/7/06 7:07 PM, Bob Muller at scjoniguy@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Those of you who have heard Claudia SanSoucie >> (that's a BUNCH of us), and those who heard >> Randall & Claudia at Jonifest 2005 will want to >> pick up on their new release, out today: >> >> http://cdbaby.com/cd/randallclaudia >> >> Listen to some samples, add it to your cart, >> check out. Simple. >> >> Go Claud!!! >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Dinah Washington, "More Than You Know" >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:09:32 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Re:The Human Jukebox njc hello all, have to reply some of the recent posts: 1. human juke box: the guys name was greeenbaum, he played handball and the sax. really nice guy hope he's still around and enjoying life. 2. health care: there is no reason why the richest nation in the world (universe) can't provide decent health care for its citizens. 3. Sam Walton had a wonderful idea, he wanted a place people where no liquor, no tobacco, and affordable prices for people to shop. once he kicked the bucket and the pencil pushers took over it bacame the monster it is today. Sam must be turning in his grave. 4. for all you skiers and shredders out there----------the snow is excellent in the sierras!!!!!! 5. bush is an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gene with a big smile after a day in the mountains "condoms aren't completly safe. a friend of mine was wearing one and he got hit by a bus." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #89 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------